evolution or creationism?

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Originally Posted by F L E S H

I'm going to offend some people, but I don't really care.

Creationism was born in the Early Middle Ages when the Church had control over EVERYTHING. It is a form of control that the Church has established over people (mostly Americans today).

Throughout history, the Church, the popes and all those people constantly hid the truth from people from fear that they would one day wake up and realize the world as it is taught by the Church is a huge sham. You can draw a direct parallel between this and the way communist or otherwise totalitarian regimes hide or distort the truth from their own population so that they can keep control.

Creationism is a sham, and only people who are afraid to realize that the Bible was NEVER meant to be taken literally refuse to accept it.

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Amen! :D

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Originally Posted by F L E S H

I'm going to offend some people, but I don't really care.

Creationism was born in the Early Middle Ages when the Church had control over EVERYTHING. It is a form of control that the Church has established over people (mostly Americans today).

Throughout history, the Church, the popes and all those people constantly hid the truth from people from fear that they would one day wake up and realize the world as it is taught by the Church is a huge sham. You can draw a direct parallel between this and the way communist or otherwise totalitarian regimes hide or distort the truth from their own population so that they can keep control.

Creationism is a sham, and only people who are afraid to realize that the Bible was NEVER meant to be taken literally refuse to accept it.

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Ok first let me say i agree with you that creationism is intellectualy unacceptable, but you do have some facts wrong buddy. First you say creationism was born in the middle ages, thats wrong, creationism or the literal interpretation of the first chapters of genesis was around since it was written by the jews centurys ago. Also i greatly doubt the pushers of creationism, the churches know what they are spreading is a lie, i think they honestly believe they are right. I also wouldnt say theres a parrallel between the church and communism, people like lenin and stalin knowingly distorted history to paint themselves and their movement as always in the right, the church and its adhearants honestly believe their version of history is correct. Also communism promotes atheism, and the pope in fact helped with the fall of the soviet union. Again i will state i dont believe in god. Well im gonna stop babbling now.

Juggalo, you misread my post in some parts, and in others, you're wrong. It is a FACT that at the very beginning of Christianity, the first church fathers such as St Augustine, St Jerome and others explicitly hid certain truths from the public in order to be able to control them. How do we know this? There are ancient texts, handwritten by these Church fathers, that clearly state that they had the intention of making people believe that these stories were factual, when most pagans of the time understood them to be myth, and nothing else. Being an historian, I've read up a lot on this kind of stuff, and sometimes ignorance is bliss, because when I found all this stuff out, it scared the shit out of me. Believe me, all I write here is true, and corroborated by most scholars. In fact, one of the books I read was written by a former priest who was completely disillusioned by the Anglican Church. Of course, after many centuries of making their flocks believe this crap, church officials eventually forgot that what they were preaching were lies, and began to believe it themselves. This is part of the explanation of why the Dark Ages were dark.

And my comparison of the Catholic Church and Communism involved only the distortion and withholding of truth. Of course, in all other ways, they're completely different, but my point was that they both use the same techniques to control the people they dominate, so that they will not rebel against them.

FLESH i would love to read where st. augstine or any other early churh leader knowingly hid certain truths, any links or names of such books would be greatyly appreciated, such info i would glad;y use when debating any christians
peace

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Originally Posted by F L E S H

In fact, one of the books I read was written by a former priest who was completely disillusioned by the Anglican Church.

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whats the author and title?..id like to pick that up.

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Originally Posted by juggalo420

FLESH i would love to read where st. augstine or any other early churh leader knowingly hid certain truths, any links or names of such books would be greatyly appreciated, such info i would glad;y use when debating any christians
peace

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Isnt that The Dead Sea Scrolls or something??? I'm not sure

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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR

Isnt that The Dead Sea Scrolls or something??? I'm not sure

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The Dead Sea Scrolls are word for word the book of Isaiah.

It was a book I randomly picked up at the library, the author's name I think was Tom Harpur. I'll check it out tomorrow and report back. His book is very informative especially about the debate we're having here, it's really interesting.

I think it's called The Pagan Christ, but like I said i'll check it out tomorrow and tell you guys
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GHoST, the Dead Sea scrolls are ancient biblical texts. What I'm talking about is the creation of Christian dogma, by people such as St Augustine (he wrote City of God sometime in the 300s A.D.) and St Jerome (the dude who translated the Bible into LAtin from Greek for the first time) who wrote around the 450s A.D. I think you should be able to find their writings, especially St Augustine (not to be confused with Augustine, the first British bishop, also around the 500s A.D.)

okay, cheers F L E S H!

I've been wanting to find stuff like that, ever since I read The Da Vinci Code (lol I know its just a novel, but ya).. Im just always either too busy or too stoned to go to the library :p