Ahh, Catholicism

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Originally Posted by Apostle in Triumph

Because holy scripture should be absolute and unquestionable.

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Sorry to burst your bubble but it is not, nor will it ever be absolute and unquestionable. Those who take it as such are worshiping a book.


Junk~

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Originally Posted by bobthenuker

The bible is THE BOOK, it is the book of the land. It's holy thus it has to be basically absolute. A commitee of people wrote the bible, committee of people, over a long time. It is human made, god or jesus didnt write it. All that stuff I posted is right in the bible, I didn't change anything around. The bible is hypocritical and contradictaory. One passage it says treat everyone like your brother, then a few pages over it says hebrew slaves have to serve you for 7 years or something like that. You can't take the bible literally or use it as a moral code.

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The bible is "a book", not "the book", lol. Why people get so worked up over a religious text, I'll never know. It's just like any other, and if you can't find a good moral standing w/o adopting the bs, then you got more problems than me...

I fucking hate the all or nothing attitude. Meh!!


junk~

this business (catholicism) is overrated.

im not saying the bible is perfect but if you know how to read it all the "bad things" you are refering to are ruled out

Jesus denounces the Old Testament and becomes the "New Covenant" and explains how the rules and practices of the old testament are no longer applicable.....hence why christians dont promote things like slavery or have to eat a kosher meal

and just because something isnt meant to be taken literally doesnt mean its a myth.....there are different styles of writing used throughout the bible that the reader must recognize....seriosuly, read Revelation or the Book of Daniel and take all that literally without doing any background research.....you'll get nowhere.....but just because we dont take it literally doesnt mean we cant learn from it....as long as we know the style of the writing and the circumstances surrounding the author we can better understand the text

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Originally Posted by Stemis516

\as long as we know the style of the writing and the circumstances surrounding the author we can better understand the text

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hahha, which author, how many were there and have there been.

Just give your money and keep believing what someone else tells ya. Let the ministers live in mansions.

there have been a bunch of authors

have u not read any of my posts retard???

i simply study the bible, as a book

i no longer consider myself part of the catholic church but that doesnt mean i cant read the bible does it??? just because your simple mind cant grasp hard concepts doesnt give you the right to just say whatever you want....get educated first

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Originally Posted by dusto2k3

hahha, which author, how many were there and have there been.

Just give your money and keep believing what someone else tells ya. Let the ministers live in mansions.

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There were many, and church is not nescessary to benefit from scripture. A person can gain moral insight after reading Moby dick for God's sake, or even Fear and loathing, lol.

Junk~

Seriously, i know there have been lots of authors.

Simple mind, your the one reading a fictional story....Not to say, there aren't importanat lessons in there.

I stick to fact.

I just don't believe you need someone to hold your hand, like a church, i feel its for weak minded people. Maybe i'm wrong, i was never brought up in religion. I have gone to cathpolic mass and christian masses, so i have seen.

I believe if your true to yourself and others, you'll do alright.

Personally, my horse-shoe tournaments on Sundays are much more fun.

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Originally Posted by JunkYard

Sorry to burst your bubble but it is not, nor will it ever be absolute and unquestionable.

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That's exactly what I was implying, so I'm not quite sure what bubble you're trying to burst here. I never said it was absolute and unquestionable; I said it's supposed to be.

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Originally Posted by Stemis516

im not saying the bible is perfect but if you know how to read it all the "bad things" you are refering to are ruled out

Jesus denounces the Old Testament and becomes the "New Covenant" and explains how the rules and practices of the old testament are no longer applicable.....hence why christians dont promote things like slavery or have to eat a kosher meal

and just because something isnt meant to be taken literally doesnt mean its a myth.....there are different styles of writing used throughout the bible that the reader must recognize....seriosuly, read Revelation or the Book of Daniel and take all that literally without doing any background research.....you'll get nowhere.....but just because we dont take it literally doesnt mean we cant learn from it....as long as we know the style of the writing and the circumstances surrounding the author we can better understand the text

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GIVE THIS MAN A PRIZE :D Well said.

Seriously, from what im hearing i'd guess none of you have actually read any of the bible...

I'm not christian but i know the few christians say that the Bible is 100% accurate...it's religious language. Religious language is designed to be emotive and evoke feelings. It's supposed to convey an overall meaning and lessons on how to live. How could it possibley be totally accurate account of what happened when it was written over many years after the events.

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Well, if it's not literally true, and most of it seems to be mythological in origin, what's the point in trusting any of it at all?

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Firstly, God didn't write the Bible, so if its wrong then humans are to blame. And secondly, of course some things in the bible can't be proved to have happened. But there's independant evidence that a man named Jesus, born in Nazareth, was crucified by Pontious Pilate. And if you think that scarcely 50 years later there's accounts of Christian martyrs in Rome, and 250 years after that Christianity becomes the official religion of the Roman Empire. How can you explain that unless something pretty big had happened.

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut

If I'm capable of going through the Bible and picking out the grossly immoral bits myself, what's the point of using the book in the first place? That means I already have a functioning morality, which I am using to judge the passages myself, and which seems to be vastly superior to the type of morality that the writers of the Bible had several thousands of years ago. It's an interesting historical document, sure, but there's little evidence that any of it is actually true and even less evidence that it is a reliable guide to morality.

If you're going to go through and cherry-pick the good bits to follow while ignoring the bad ones, you might as well use Mein Kampf as your guide to morality. You'll be throwing most of that book out the window too.

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As Stemis said, Jesus himself told people to ignore the Old Testament and its crazy laws.

At the end of the day, it's a pretty good guide to morality. Sure there are some dodgy bit that don't really fit in with the world today, but think of it like this...would you really expect a book written about life today to make sense in 2000 years time. The idea is to take the lessons and apply them to the world we live in now. And whatever you may think most of us are unavoidabley effected by Christian Ethics because we live in a largely Christian society.

Wow this post took a long time. I really dont mind either way :D I just like theological discussion.