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well said,and also gald to say i agree with you 100 percent on all all all,one ,more thing,,when growing up,a marrige was a man and woman,,kids,,no divorce,,our family is cath,,we did not believe in divorice,,we tried to work it out,,,we went to hell in a hand basket,,i speak for my opinion only,,
Hey all...Im not gay, but i do believe in gay marriage. i have done a ton of research and written a few papers about it for school. for the record i am also catholic. the catholic church does not agree with gay marriage, but that does not mean that in order to be a catholic you must disagree with gay marriage. the statement issued by the church was just that-a statement. it was NOT doctrine (catholic doctrine has been added to only 2ce in the past 100 years). because it was a statement and not doctrine, it is more or less optional. this is hard for conservative catholics to swallow, but the church supports a practice called "responsible dissent" which is where someone can choose to disagree with certian catholic points of view as long as those disagreements do not interfere with the axioms of the catholic church.Quote:
Originally Posted by Euphoric
the main thing i keep coming back to is that i dont really think we have the right to say whether or not someone has the "right" to get married. i am of the opinion that marriage ought to be given to those who vhemently want it, not just straight people. if people are in love, why not get married?
for those who say that it is against biological stuff, so is oral, anal, masterbation, using a condom or birth control, etc. these violate the philosophy of aristotle called telos, which says that something is most like itself when it is doing what it was meant to do. for instance, a knife is most knife like when it is cutting something. in the same way, a sperm is most spermy when it is fertelizing an egg. by having oral, anal, masterbating or having gay sex, it is all not letting the sperm do what they were meant to do. so if you are against gay marriage for that reason, you are being hypocritical if you engage in any of that, condoms included.
for those who say that gay marriage is not right because it ruins the institution of marriage, i do not agree. i see no way that having a loving set of parents will make a child grow up tramatized. i see the point that a healthy home needs both a male and a female for balance, but that is not true. think about single parents. not all kids of single parents come out fucked up. in addition, nearly 60% of hetero marriages end in divorce, thrusting a child into a broken home, which i think would be less desirable than having a love from aset of dads or moms. (that is just a guess-im from a "traditional family")
i guess im just more liberal on this than a lotta people are. but i think we should all chill out with the derrogatory remarks. please remember that the original question was not asking for you opinion of gay PEOPLE, it was asking about gay marriage. lets not loose the forrest through the tress. chill out, inform yourself, back your arguments up, and smoke a bowl. :cool:
doubble posting suck, im sorry, but i forgot to add that i dont understand why people are talking about it ruining marriage and people will get married for no reason. no they wont...people have gotten married do get married and will continue to get married out of love, and i say why stop love? allowing gay marriage wont make people get married that dont want to, it will allow those who are in love a chance to express it, just like you and i.
also, not allowing gays to marry is actually more unconstitutional because it denies them about 300 rights that married coupples have. for instance, an unmarried gay coupple pay more in taxes, do not get certian healthcare breaks, they pay more for heath insurance than married coupplesetc. there are tons of other example but i forgot. look em up, its astounding!
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i love talking about this because i think it is an important subject that we all should be familar with, whether we agree or not.
dave :cool:
Rave Dave, I agree with you.
Also, I'm not gay, but I'm just really disappointed that we REALLY are considering banning gay marriage. This singles out a race of people, and takes away their rights, and we're adding it TO THE CONSTITUITION. I can unstand that maybe certain chapels won't marry gays, but this is the Constitution. The Constitution is supposed to protect our rights, not limit them. Back in the day, the Federalists saw no need for the Bill Of Rights, since the Constitution protected the people's rights.
And to HempHeadJack, what if certain people are raped at a young age by straight people and that made them turn gay? Would them being gay bother you? I know it's hard to trust homosexuals after that, since there really isn't that many of them, and homosexuality is not completely understood, but try to understand the person's background before you try to judge someone, which you may not be a judgemental person at all, but it's just food for thought.
anybody that gets raped at gunpoint by other men of your own service or woman at that fact,,well i just cant explain enough on what i feel,,hope it never happens to anyone ever ,,i can forgive but not forget,,thats what sucks,,big doobies to all,,
Hey Potatoes. I agree with your first point. I too am a constitutional purtist. we have really only had 17 ammendment to the constitution since the late 1700's (because i dont really count the bill of rights - i see them as part of the constitution because they were necessary for it to get ratified in the first place.) these 17 ammendments are there to protect our rights, and i think that by adding ammendments *excuse the phrase* "willy0nilly" will in escence water down the validity of the constitution. our country is as strong as it is because her have adhered to the guidlines set in place by brilliant men over 200 years ago. look at other countries if you need proof: there are scores of central- and south american countries that have a constitution, but it has been added to and changed so much that there is no respect for it and therefore also for the government. we need to keep it pure for it to be valid.
and to hemphead...it sounds like you arent really asking for sympathy, and i understand that. know that those or us who are in favor of expanding the rights of gays are not doing so for the reason that we like to see people get hurt. on the contrary-we (i should speak for myself,) I believe that by keeping gay marriage banned we are hurting far FAR more people than we are helping. gust a guess, but i imagine that if gays are allowed to marry, the instances of assult and whatnot will likely go down, because theoretically, this action of allowing gays to marry would make it be more accepted. maybe then heterosexuals will be less likely to assult homosexuals, and vice versa. im all about freedom, equality, tollerence.
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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
gay people arent the "sick" people.. youre the fucking "sick" people, for being such prejudice fucks. this shit has pissed me off
that kinda pissed me off at you ghost.
i could call you fag lover ??since im so prejudice
no i dont think they need killed or abused,they need medicated or something
at least a sex change, science has a way to make this right but it will never happen some people just are sick motherfuckers and nothing will change that.
whatever is "normal" they go against it to stand out,to be different yet they want treated just like everyone else
its like asking me to say YOUR JUST LIKE ME except you have two heads
let me get this str8...you say
im sick in a prejudice way becuase seeing two same sex people all lovey dovey makes me feel same way as if i saw some dude fuck a dog
its not right,unnatural and as sickening to me as any other human indecent act.right up there with RAPE MURDER .its just fucked up SICK fuckers who want to take,Feelings of brotherhood and consider them love? lust? like a desease,it needs a cure.
its a sexual cancer of the mind
there is no man i ever thought was sexy,,so i dont have it
just the thought of some pansy ass bitch turns my stomach
im not prejudice ghost,they can do whatever in PRIVATE,so long as i dont got to hear this Gay Rights crap,they have the right to remain silent i wished they would,yes go hide your sick ass with ya butthole buddy and please know,america will never except your perverted ways as NORMAL
cuase its not normal thinking
it may well be genetic,some screwed up dna code
ive seen two headed cows,frogs ect.so thats my take on it
please note
the anus was not made for sexual acts
its a poopchute
i dont gay bash,but i wont sit back watch them bash my beliefs
i blame your parents if your gay,
they had you,and if they were gay you wouldnt exist
they raised you and they never tuaght you how to be real man or woman
instead they just let a fucked up society infected by perverts have you
and teach you that its ok to be a pervert cuase see there millions of them so it must be right,
WRONG
keep your gayness to your self please
i dont want to know
im not gay.......... :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by NowhereMan
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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
pokes you with a stick
ouch you say
wasnt that fun
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Originally Posted by NowhereMan
Z, i guess this is another thing we're gonna have to agree to disagree about :p
**passes Z the joint**