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Touched down long enough to read their wiki with it's grade school notation.
I think I see the error of your ways;
The KIA starts with e4 and d3.
Or, in growed-up.
P - K4 -- P - Q3.
You skipped dem. they are the foundation and defense of da whole shebang.
As for Black's response being irrelevant, I disagree.
Shall we see?
Wanna start over?
Keen for the slaughter?
Your call my friend.
Aloha,
Weeze
Maybe. I really want to see how this attack is supposed to work. There's a series of moves called King's Indian Defense that I think is more common. maybe a similar thing, just done by black instead(?)Quote:
Shall we see?
Wanna start over?
But I haven't seen a description of KIA (with the pawn moves) like what you're saying. Just:
1. Knight
2. pawn out of bishop's way
3. bishop out of castling's way
4. castle
Now I know wiki is not any kinda final answer on anything. But the above sequence does have an authentic 'smell' to it, somehow. It also fits the given description of 'hypermodern school' play, in that it doesn't attempt to control the center with pawns. (Of course, that description continues, to explain center control is achieved via long-range pieces, which this sequence of moves isn't doing yet.)
Where's that description you found, that includes those 2 pawn moves?
Let me try to figure how to show you where I've been reading.
Here's where I was getting this stuff.
You ran off my knight with a pawn last time I tried this. There is obviously something awry with their interpretation. If you can get a pawn to (your) K5 in less than 5 moves, white can't protect that knight.
Worse, white has forfeited center control. AND, I am "in my own way" and have no long-range control, either.
Flank opening - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Quote:
The King's Indian Attack (KIA) is a system of development that White may use in reply to almost any Black opening moves. The characteristic KIA setup is 1.Nf3, 2.g3, 3.Bg2, 4.0-0, 5.d3, 6.Nbd2, and 7.e4, although these moves may be played in many different orders. In fact, the KIA is probably most often reached after 1.e4 when White uses it to respond to a Black attempt to play one of the semi-open games such as the Caro-Kann, French, or Sicilian, or even the open games which usually come after 1.e4 e5. Its greatest appeal may be that by adopting a set pattern of development, White can avoid the large amount of opening study required to prepare to meet the many different possible Black replies to 1.e4.
That quoted section is goofy. "Characteristic" is 1. Nf3, but "usual" is just a transposition from an open or semi-open game? :wtf:
This is starting to read, "Get your pawn out to K4 FIRST, and if you notice your opponent is asleep at the wheel, do a quick kingside castle."
I guess the part that's got me curious is that dang fianchetto. KN2 seems like an ineffective place to have white's bishop. Even if I move the knight out of the bishop's way, it'll still take another move to develop the bishop--otherwise he's just pointed at well-protected pawns. (This happened before, too.) But this KIA thing was popular for a long time. There must be a way the thing untangles itself for it ever to have been considered useful. THAT'S what I wanna see. :cool:
First google hit said;Quote:
Originally Posted by DreadedHermie
"...The KIA is considered a solid opening choice for White, although less ambitious than many more popular openings. Though rarely used at the highest levels except to avoid certain pet lines, it is extremely popular at the club level, because it is easier to learn than other openings that require memorizing specific move orders to avoid outright losing positions.
White's most common plan involves a central pawn push, e4-e5, leading to a central bind, kingside space, and concrete attacking chances on a kingside-castled black king...
Geeze! Deliberate obfuscation?
Black's resourcesâ??more queenside space for exampleâ??are not to be underestimated. In fact, this asymmetry often leads to violent middlegames and neatly constructed mating nets involving the sacrifice of multiple pieces..."
I did da red highlight, but not da underline.
So, start ovah, again, and keep dat in mind?
But, yes, It makes a very beeg difference what Black responds
.:D
"And just how that irrelevant got into my pajamas, I'll nevah know." -Groucho, sorta
An' youse two 'utes was right 'bout da bong.
3 bowls an' she starts tastin like Eau de queef.
Got weird after the third bowl.
Then, I realized that the funnel shaped stem would he'p me finish all those 3/4 joints left onna tray since last bio-assays.
Hory mory!:stoned:
Got over-baked!
Damn near burned da house down with hot oil, and now I worry about tomorrow morning.
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IMO
If ya gotta get dat high, dat fast, best re-examine your motives, yah?
What da heck!
Learned a $50 lesson, and it will make a dandy wedding present;).:D
Aloha! Y'all
Wee'
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Originally Posted by DreadedHermie
Kinda disapointed in the esthetics of da foot-long.
But, you could hammer nails with it.
Not gonna complain, if the other stuff I ordered is "as advertised".
If it's all like this one, I'm liable to ruin someones day at da pipe store.;)
'course I could just add some blue fluorescent dye to the water and fire up the black light.:jointsmile::cool:
I'm on-board for the ignition source, though.:thumbsup:
Small container of NaOH, W/an aluminum wire feed will give a steady source of Hydrogen gas.
The flame is very hot, but almost invisible.
A little sodiun chloride doping will turn the flame bright yellow for safety, yah?
And now ya got a Bubbabong:rastasmoke:
Sunday morning wake n bake.
Weeze
Or just start with Calcium Carbide....can't miss that....:smokin::smokin::smokin:Quote:
A little sodiun chloride doping will turn the flame bright yellow for safety, yah?
I'd read that before! That's what got me excited in the first place, I think...Violence, multiple sacrifice, real MAN'S chess. I'm gonna lobby for making the pawns "camp followers" or some other kinda sex object. Cheerleaders, maybe....Chess has the killin' action, we just need to add some tight skirts to make this game more widely appealing. And maybe some space-aliens, too... nasty kine. I think I'm gonna make the knights space-aliens, who can dimension-jump. That'll explain their unique abilities. And my pawn row is gonna look like a Vegas show line. :thumbsup:Quote:
In fact, this asymmetry often leads to violent middlegames and neatly constructed mating nets involving the sacrifice of multiple pieces..."
So, let's start over.
P - K4
Lovely, isn't she? :stoned:
Yes, scrumptious!Quote:
Originally Posted by DreadedHermie
I'll throw one inta da mix right too.
Blood and mini-skirts!
It don't get no betta dan dis.
P -K4.
Ooh! da blood is so salty!
Already composed the "we regret to inform you..."
Letters to dere kin.
You know, pencils, drawer pulls, pine trees.
Gonna be an odd day.
Weezard
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Originally Posted by DreadedHermie
Speaking of which...
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3 old ones, (One almost went through a dog.)
And 4 new ones
The li'l gold one is superb.
Gonna be my new favorite.
All top quality. And 1/3 of retail!:thumbsup:
The Digital vape looked crappy.
Indeed, the whip hose IS crappy, but it's the first time I've tasted the spiciness of the bud and the first time that I've enjoyed the medical benefits to the fullest.
So that's why folks pay $250 for da kine vape.
Beats the hell out of a bong.
I paid $60 for da vape.
Prolly cost 'em all of 12 bucks to assemble, pack, and ship. :)
Still, I'm a happy camper.:rastasmoke:
Wee (Pimpin' da glass) 'zard
To recap:
It's
P - K4
P - K4.
And then...?
Weeze, The not so patient as he may, at times, appear.:D
Sorry, didn't see you online.
N - KB3
N - QB3Quote:
Originally Posted by DreadedHermie
Drunken Mini-me
Got into the homemade mead.
When da cat's away...
My Cdot mail is hosed.
Got summat stuck in it's craw, so I get no head's-up by e-mail.
Gotta check by hand.
I notice that you've been off giving good advice!:cool:
Aloha,
Weeze
We're not here yet, but...Quote:
The fianchetto is best posed late in the opening.
Once all the Ps have been dotted, and da eyes have been crossed.
And is best from the queen's side with a king's side castle
Why?
I see that O-O keeps the king on black, and the QR is on black....is there more to this?
P - Q3
I've searched this subject on this site.
Lotsa hot air and talkin' out nether orifices. No facts or experiments. Just balloon juice.
Anyway, got a friend in the land of plant number limits. The guy's worked with fruit trees before, even knows the names of the various cutting/tying techniques for grafting off the toppa his head. (That's a convoluted one, lol) He's interested in maintaining mother plants on which he can "store" different genetics. Figures he can graft branches and create "Frankenmoms" where he can maintain several different strains on each, long term clone supply.
I told him I'd look into it, but I'm not finding reliable info. What little discussion of the idea I can find seems focused on it as a potential alternative to revegging, but it's generally dismissed as impractical for that because of the recovery time involved.
At this point, I'm ready to tell the guy just go ahead and :weedpoke:, and let us know what he learns. You got any poop on this technique? Seems like I'd be a hot topic of discussion amongst those with number limits but lotsa good genetics.
Quite a bit more.Quote:
Originally Posted by DreadedHermie
The knight is the cornerstone of the castle's defense.
A queenside fianchetto gets right up that knights nose and it's worth trading my white bishop to dismantle the defense!
(Though leaving that threat in place for as long as possible is often rewarding too.:))
This is what makes initial pawn positions in the center critical to white's defense.
You saw what happens without those pawns.:(
Not to mention that white's bishop, standing on the king's toes, invites back rank attacks.
It only takes one rogue rook for a checkmate when the king's escape is blocked!
It's still too early to plot, so.
I'm gonna stick to a modified Nimzo indian defense.
N - Kb3
Good morning!
Weezard
All da stuff I read about grafting cannabis was long ago and they were trying to graft Hops onto cannabis root for stealth resin production.:wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by DreadedHermie
Big fiasco!
It seems, the phytochrome state is mobile and I just read a claim that grafting from a flowering plant will put the host into flower.
Don't know that I "buy" that.
Auxin levels and mobile element levels will vary as well depending on when and where-from, one takes the cuts.
It's tricky business.
Way over my head, so I'm hoping that folks with serious skills are trying it as we type.:jointsmile:
""Frankenmoms" where he can maintain several different strains on each, long term clone supply. "
He's still going to have ageing problems.
The clock does not stop on da mommas
they get older and each cutting is older too.
And, as you know cannabis will eventually get fed-up and flower regardless of the night length.
That, or die of old age.:(
Not sure how grafting young-uns to old roots plays out either.
In short? Ah dunno!
I agree, encourage him to start a thread and get to pokin':weedpoke::):thumbsup:
Aloha
Wee
N - QB3
Dang. I meant QB. Figgered a black bishop might be a bit better at defending a king on the same color. Makes no difference to da rook.Quote:
I see that O-O keeps the king on black, and the QR is on black...
I figured.Quote:
Originally Posted by DreadedHermie
W.
Still, N - QB3.
Final answer?!:D
Then B - QN5.
Right up on ya.
W.
Thanks for explaining that.Quote:
is there more to this?
P - Q3
Quite a bit more.
Well, I didn't mistype that time, if that's what you mean. And I just edited the last post to suppress the sig, didn't waffle. But, moving QBP to that square instead keeps the queen from being bottled up, that's a good move, too....Quote:
Still, N - QB3.
Final answer!
I've heard of a "4 knights" game. Gotta be like this. So, yeah, I'll go with it...
Nuts. Didn't see you'd called a move. Okay, back to 3 knights...
Q - Q2
P - Q3.Quote:
Originally Posted by DreadedHermie
My bishop is now on her own.
But, you just pinned your own knight.:wtf:
Gettin interesting.
Weeze
"back to 3 knights..."
That's confusing, perhaps it's time for a picture?
I have:
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Eh?
W.
That sounds like a quote from "The Buggerer's Chaucer."Quote:
Not to mention that white's bishop, standing on the king's toes, invites back rank attacks.
Yep. I remember that stuff, too. I heard of a couple guys dat tried it back years ago. But dey got it backwards, and were attempting to graft weed to hops stock. I believe they won a Darwin Award before their project was completed.Quote:
All da stuff I read about grafting cannabis was long ago
I kept a plant I didn't even like for a year and a half. I finally flipped her, and she was still vibrant. And I've seen plants I was told were 10 years old or more (that I believe were that old). I certainly think plants can be kept in veg long enough to make grafting up a Frankenmom worthwhile, if the grafts will 'take' in the first place.Quote:
And, as you know cannabis will eventually get fed-up and flower regardless of the night length.
That, or die of old age.
Mobile in vivo doesn't mean transferable like a car warrantee, and certainly not virulent like a zombie-bite, subjugating the host's entire organism.Quote:
It seems, the phytochrome state is mobile and I just read a claim that grafting from a flowering plant will put the host into flower.
Don't know that I "buy" that.
If this were true, the outdoor growing world would be much different. Near the equator you've got 12/12 pretty much whenever you want, inside or out. But imagine what this would mean to mid-latitude outside growers. Plants could be started indoors, and put into flower outside as soon as it was warm enough. You could do two summer harvests. :thumbsup:
Hey, the picture's right....Quote:
"back to 3 knights..."
That's confusing, perhaps it's time for a picture?
Sorry, I just assumed you were going to capture my knight (leaving 3 total).
What?Quote:
Originally Posted by DreadedHermie
And let your queen out?
I don't yet know on which side you will choose to hide
Just another case of the constant threat doing more damaging than the execution.:cool:
Now I could dangle tempting morsels for the knight, just to be mean.:D
"What foods, these morsels be!" -Sign on a beanery in Cleveland Ohio.
Now I sit and wait for your next more.
Have you noticed that Black is ready to castle.
And attack either of white's Knights in 2 moves or less when white is ready to castle on either side.:)
So, Black's choices in the opening are relevant, yah?:D
Please continue..
Weeze
I Had not thought on this yet. Just read it and said, wait, what?! I sure hope it can work dat way.Quote:
Originally Posted by DreadedHermie
Don't seem logical though.
Aloha,
Weeze
Might be hit or miss for awhile. Family medical problem. Might be stuck here OTOH. back in 6-8 hrs. Hermie
Drat!Quote:
Originally Posted by DreadedHermie
Sorry to read dat.
Best luck,
Weeze
Might as well post this here as anywhere.
Mebe cockroach on Hermie's fan base.:)
Friends, I am puzzled!:wtf:
Bought a digital readout vape.
An' along wit, came a what da heck kine t'ing??
Well, I'll let da 'zard tell it.
I have a little thingumbob, da headshop sent to me.
An' what can be da use of it is more dan I can see.
If him got no earthly use, den why dem buggahs send?
(It's got a crooked crank with a goober on da end)??
Here's a nudder tousen words;
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I have no idea.:(
Came sans manual.
Not really even sure how to drive the thing.
He'p!
Mahalo,
Wee 'zard
So I'm gonna guess that it just may be the "potpourri pot" accessory for hrbal essence treatments. I've read about vapes and was considering one as I am asthmatic (on top of everything else, eh?).
What's your first impressions.
Does the herb taste the same?
Did you get a whip or bag system?
Fill us in, Brah!
M.P.
Of course!, That makes sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by MerryPrankstr
The stinkum-ater.
It's da piece that makes it legal.:D
Ooh! I'm thinkin' honey oil and soda straw.:stoned:
Mahalo niu MP.:thumbsup:
Da nex' one's on me.:jointsmile:
Oops! almos' fo'got.
It's a "dig it all" readout, prolly from China, kine t'ing.
Did some readin' and when I turned it down from the default, 500F., I stopped coughing up my spleen.
At about 360F. I didn't think I was getting anything but aroma and a nice, spicey taste.
'til I tried to stand up, jus' could not find my feet.
Still missed the taste of the smoke, but was too high to toke.:jointsmile:
Dat's mo' betta.
I gonna play wit it an' get back to ya'll.
W.
It seems, we've lost our big kahuna.:(
D. H.! You ok?
Worryin' weeze
Sorry, man. Just real busy. Haven't had a chance to sit down and try to think my way out of this. I got tripped up trying to avoid doubling a pawn, and now I'm all tangled up in myself.
Seems like the most logical move is P - QR3. That really makes my knight look attractive, though, and I was kinda trying to avoid that. But, yeah, P-QR3.
That works!Quote:
Originally Posted by DreadedHermie
My Bishop beats feet.
B - QB4
Well, well. Seems a good perch.
Looks like you are forming a plan.
Here's grist for that mill.
Take a look at my Bishop's foray.
It was not really about the knight at all.
So, ya gotta ask yerself.
What was it about?:detective1::D
Could be just for funzies, yah?
Good to see ya back brah.:)
I figgered you were just trying to sucker me into stacking up my pawns again. Now that I've prematurely "developed" my queen, might as well try Q - KN5.Quote:
So, ya gotta ask yerself.
What was it about?
I am trying a new hydro project (plant torture). You know those annoying peat pots the big box stores sell their plants in? The ones they say to just plant "whole," plant and all? (Never liked the results, at least for container gardening...they seem to hamper root development to me....but damage the root hairs if you remove 'em.)
I picked out a nice beefsteak tomato plant in a 6" peat pot, with a few small roots trying to poke through the bottom. I dropped it straight into an 8" netpot and filled the sides with smooth pea gravel. I set that on a saucer with a splash of water in it, and the plant seems to be wicking it up okay so far. So, it's going into a bubble bucket. I'll top-feed it only as necessary until the roots realize there's a buffet below.
Just seeing how simple I can make this. The plant's still in the peat pot full of dirt. Just add rocks. :thumbsup: Some of the prettiest cannabis roots I've ever seen were growing, hydro-style, into this type of stone. Usta use ~3" or more for "drainage" in soil grows and always wanted to try it for hydro. It'd beat chasing pH and orange dust everywhere.
I guess the only question is: can I develop sufficient hydro roots before drowning the plant in mucky soil? I hope so. My cherry toms are doing great, but they tend to pop out of sandwiches. ;)
It will be a race without a bubbler in the saucer.Quote:
Originally Posted by DreadedHermie
I no like peat pots either, for the same reasons.
Don't even like net pots much. The good ones are too strong and cut into the roots.
The cheap ones do also, but they, at least, will eventually rip open to accomodate root girth.
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No worry, stick wit' da hydro an' yer "cherry" toms gonna get sandwich sized.:cool:
I raised peppers and tomatoes first, to see what grow method was best, before I risked $ 10 -20 seeds.
(Yep, OCD, and cheap!):)
DWC won!
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Just started a new DWC project to test the claim that roots from separate cannabis plants, compete for space, water, and food, underground.
The first run is 6 siblings in my "square peg inna round hole" DWC bubbucket.
Lookin for a cannabis cat fight.;)
The next run will be 4 different strains. with the same set up.
I got a friend here that grows his mini-trees in huge dirt trays.
Got to wondering if that was hurting his yeild.
My expectation is, that one plant, one bucket, will beat the pants off rub-a-dub-dub!
V shell C.
I'd love to get surprised by this one.
Anyroad,
I have Castled my cowardly King.
We'll now see If I whine, or sing.
"You lot! Go gettem!
I'll jus' hang, here.:thumbsup:
Long as I'm safe,
you've nothing to fear.":jointsmile:
An' gimme dat guitar, ya :hippy:queer!
Take dis rifle, chug dis beer.
You lot gotta do da killin'!
No spare clergy, no spare chillun.
Dis kine war is royal fun.
I'll be out when da s-laughter's done.:D
Disssclaimer::jointsmile:
The preceding doggerel, may, or may not, reflect the l-attitude of the scribe and/or his various minions.
Mayonaisse rules!
Weeze
You musta missed the bubble-bucket part...That'd be a pretty pathetic root-mass display--half-inch roots in a sun-baked saucer.....Quote:
It will be a race without a bubbler in the saucer.
I remember that third pic. You'd captioned it, "This lady had to quit the dance early because her shoes got too tight" or something like that. It stuck in my mind :tin foil hat: cause I wondered why you couldn't use some little diagonal cutters to open up some Ausgange for the larger roots...Quote:
Don't even like net pots much. The good ones are too strong and cut into the roots.
Ooops...gotta run...but about castling: is there a "normal" response to an opponent's castle in terms of which side I might castle to? Do players like to be castled face-to-face, or catty-corner?
I somehow picked up the impression there's a general advantage to castling queenside (which would just figure, cause you've gotta move one additional piece outta the way). Or is it situational, depending on how the opponent's got his pieces deployed?