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Yeah, good for you. I know somebody else who's like that. It's funny how much you change after you start realizing things from a different viewpoint.
Oh, and my last post didn't really come out right, because Mary Jane wouldn't let me think straight. But I know that wouldn't happen, 'twas a joke.
He did just that to me. He understands NOTHING about the deepest teaching in scripture, nor did he back up his accusations with a single scripture, and then started condemning me about going to hell? He ignorantly stated that even the pagans with minimal study know that the Son of God has a father but yet there isn't A SINGLE SCRIPTURE to support this private interpretation!Quote:
Originally Posted by imitator
Everyone has their opinion, and mine is that natureisawesome is a FRAUD!
If he's serious about keeping the sabbath, he's WAY OFF BASE!
Keeping the sabbath, is putting Jesus back on the cross. What happened nature? Jesus fulfilling the law was not good enough for you? Are you trying to fulfill the law yourself? Are you not aware that if a man keep the whole law and yet offend it in one point, he is guilty of the entire law? If you live under the law, you'll be judged by the law. And under the law, the penalty for one sin is death. Why would anyone put themselves in that situation? I'm glad that the handwriting of requirements, the law of ordinaces, which was contrary to us, has been nailed to the cross. He has taken it out of the way.
"For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."
It's interesting how you kept on denying over and over and now all the sudden your objection has changed.Quote:
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Originally Posted by natureisawesome
You can't say or assert God is a possibilty without proof. And you say there is no proof for GOD. You can't say God is a possibility without evidence to back it up. But then you may find yourself helping me .But that's not a bad thing.
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Im saying you havent shown me any proof of God.
Once again, Im not picking sides on this. I am asking questions, and pointing out things that dont seem to correspond with the logical arguement you are laying out.
I am saying, that if God does exist, IF, then anything would have to be possible. And I am saying that if you state that "anything is possible" is incorrect, then logically God could not exist.
If we can assert that God exists (or may exist), then ultimately It must have been revealed to us by the understanding he has given us in our hearts and in our minds, and by this proof : that If God is all knowing and all powerful, then he cannot have any imperfection in him. And hatred and evil go against the way of perfection. And all of his creation show his eternal nature. If we knew God exists, then it would be by his Spirit, because you can only percieve Spirtiual with Spiritual. It is with an understanding deeper than any understanding, we recognise his eternal nature, and it encompasses all. Love is perfect. And if we know that Love is perfect, then God must be perfect, because God in his omnipotence and ominscience must surely be perfect. He would indeed be the standard for all righteousness. And since God would sustain the universe, and be the source of all things, then He himself must be love.
4Love is patient, love is kind and is not jealous; love does not brag and is not (M)arrogant,
5does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered,
6does not rejoice in unrighteousness, but )rejoices with the truth;
7bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8Love never fails;
If God were evil, we still exist. And we know that this universe exists also by the same consciousness and mind (it doesn't matter how, nevertheless we are here, whereever here is) , and that it cannot sustain itself according the the laws of this universe. Once we follow this logical path as I laid down in my original post, then we come to go beyond merely the knoledge of God's existence but
go on to determining if there is evidence for us to find out who God is. So there is both scientific and Spiritual evidence.
If God were a liar, or deceitful, or psychotic we're still here, even if here is part of a trick that is meant to give us a misunderstanding of his nature. We know we exist somehow, whether in a dream, or a delusion, we exist and the universe exists whether in a dream or what and so do the laws in it exist. And the laws in effect point to a creator. Once we go further along we can learn more about God's nature. But do not forget there is also Spiritual evidence. I know I explained this twice but it's really important.
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He did just that to me. He understands NOTHING about the deepest teaching in scripture, nor did he back up his accusations with a single scripture, and then started condemning me about going to ***? He ignorantly stated that even the pagans with minimal study know that the Son of God has a father but yet there isn't A SINGLE SCRIPTURE to support this private interpretation!
Everyone has their opinion, and mine is that natureisawesome is a FRAUD!
If he's serious about keeping the sabbath, he's WAY OFF BASE!
I have answered your foolish arguments. Stop harrasing me and misusing this thread. You are not a Christian. You do not keep his righteousness. I am done talking to you. If you don't stop harassing me I will report you to the moderator.
You're a fool, and you don't understand what you're talking about.Quote:
Keeping the sabbath, is putting Jesus back on the cross. What happened nature? Jesus fulfilling the law was not good enough for you? Are you trying to fulfill the law yourself? Are you not aware that if a man keep the whole law and yet offend it in one point, he is guilty of the entire law? If you live under the law, you'll be judged by the law. And under the law, the penalty for one sin is death. Why would anyone put themselves in that situation? I'm glad that the handwriting of requirements, the law of ordinaces, which was contrary to us, has been nailed to the cross. He has taken it out of the way.
The law that was nailed to the cross was not the ten commandments. What was nailed to the cross is what Paul called
"the shadow of the good things to come". Now in the old testament their were two parts, the ten commandments that were spoken directly by God to the Hebrews and later written on tablets. The there was the levitical law, which was given to Moses and written down and spoken to the Hebrews. The ten commandments for placed inside the ark. The other law were placed on the outside of the ark . This was what Paul refers to when he says shadow of the good things to come. That old law was abolished. But Christ himself said that the commandments were not abolished:
Mathew 5
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17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.
"For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death."[/QUOTE]
I am saved by Grace, and through that Grace I am given the power to overcome sin and not sin any more. He has paid the price for my past sins. It is then not works but grace. To abide in God's love you must keep his righteousness.
Jesus commands us to be perfect:
You are the one still in sin. You are the fraud. You don't understand the bible.Quote:
Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
So why don't you clarify for me and others that are listening?
God is ONE (Father, Son, Holy Spirit).
If you say that they are ONE, but you also deny ONE being the other, do you really believe they are ONE?
And I'm the fool?
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."
"He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil."
Were there two manifestations? Are there two Spirits? NO! The scriptures DON'T contradict themselves. You lack wisdom and understanding of him. You saying that the Son of God has a father, is the same as saying that God has a father.
"Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me."
Why would you say that I'm not a christian? I'm the one preaching christ to you and you're the one denying him.
If Jesus is not the Holy Spirit, explain this verse to me?
"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."
How can Jesus be present if he is not the Holy Spirit?
If you don't testify of him = FRAUD!
But then again, as long as you don't curse and keep the sabbath, you'll go to heaven right?
from now on whenever you do this I'll just refer you to the post I responded to you in. Please go to this thread to see my answer:
http://boards.cannabis.com/spiritual...ng-word-3.html
Now please stop harrasing me. You've had your say, now leave me alone. I'm not convincing you any time soon, and you're not convincing me, so let it go.
What are you doing posting on the sabbath? :D
BTW, you never answered there, that's why I asked you here. It's funny how you say that even a pagan knows but yet you CAN'T COME UP WITH ONE SCRIPTURE! Don't come accusing me if you can't back it up!
Please don't report me to the mods. :(
What a hyprocrite. Do you think you're convincing anyone on this thread with those LOOOOONNNNGGGGG Posts? Why don't you let it go?
It doesn't matter, beats talking about weed anyday. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by natureisawesome
In what way is it an obstacle to the second law? So far as I understand it is not in conflict with the 3 laws of thermodynamics whatsoever, rather thermodynamics failed to accomodate the phenomenon within the boundaries of the rules it laid forth. These laws failed to describe or explain the existence of life within the universe, they pertained to the idea that at sometime in the future the workings of the organism would eventually be explained through mechanics at a level of complexity not yet surpassed by the human mind, and things transpired they were right!, only the scietific community seems thus far largely dismissive of Prigogine's theory since (as yet) there seems to be no way to capitalise on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by natureisawesome
No they aren't, you fail to realise the subjective and paradoxical nature of science. This is where the real beauty and spiritual side of scientific study lies, the realisation that we are in fact intrinsically incapable of fully understanding ourselves because basically we are the process of understanding. There is arguably no such thing as randomness, as Einstein once said prophetically, God does not play dice".Quote:
Originally Posted by natureisawesome
All I can say at the moment....
No. Again, I deny that you have valid proof to convince me of God's existance.Quote:
Originally Posted by natureisawesome
I do not deny that he exists, but I do not acknowledge his existance either. I acknowledge the possibility of his existance, but nothing more. No one has given me proof on either side to ever fully convince me of this, and considering what we are talking about, I am not going to just willy nilly place my belief into it. Until I find proof to convince me, I am merely a bystander observing.
And I think that God and Jesus would acknowledge and understand my wariness. No one wants to be tricked into worshiping a false god, and iirc, there are scriptures speaking to this, and that to search for proof of God is not wrong.
You have your evidence, and your faith, which give you YOUR truth of God existing. Having read through a decent amount of religious texts for a few religions, I see your evidence, and see it lacking, because other evidence for other religions exists as well. If there was nothing at all that could be corresponded with said religion, then it would have been discredited and discarded long ago.
There are holes in your arguement, holes in your proof. Holes in the entire basis of the religion in some sections, that are convienently ignored or "fixed" with a line or two in scriptures saying, "yeah, that was the word of the lord, but the perfect creature decided that he was wrong, or didnt like those rules, so he made some new ones". Thats a problem with the entire thing... a perfect creature would not need to revise his rules or what he said, because he is perfect. You cant completely remove the Old Testament, and the Old Testament is at odds with the New Testament in a few important areas.
In my eyes, you have just as much evidence as every other person who has tried to convince me of the error in my ways, and convert me into something else. You have enough that it makes perfect sense to you, which is great, and I am happy for you. I just happen to look at religion itself as a tool made by man, for the benefit of man. Faith, and the existance of gods are independant of religion itself, at least in my eyes.