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Damn steve I just read that whole post and im still a bit lost here... im a wait for this hash to wear off and try to read again :jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by FarmerSteve

With love to Kr, I agree with this. The whole evaluation scale is screwed anyway. I hadn't had any herb for 3 days, my longest break since getting my card in Early December, and I was back in at CCF today, grabbing The Diesel Dawg and more Urkel OG, and I'm saying, if people REALLY think there is better weed then this out there, they're living on a different planet then I am. NO offense intended, but it's my view.

This bud is PERFECT looking, smelling and grown. The cure is friznuckin' perfect, and the trichromes are dead on. It's iced out through and through, while being sticky and firm to the touch. The taste is pure OG perfection with a subtle hint of grape soda flavor. After you take a hit, the room starts to smell of a garden in bloom. My kids asked if we'd brought flowers into our room. And that was the SMOKE, so you can imagine the hit. :smokin:

You can't do better than this. You can do a tad different, or an equal variation, but this is certified "as good as it gets". Equal, but not superior. Sure, we all have our tastes, and this may not be everyone's cup of tea, but from an unbiased standpoint, anyone who knows what they're talking about will say this is gold standard fare. How many Cups have you been to Bryan? What about the people reviewing the strains? What are their pedigrees? It's a fair question is it not?

Besides, the scales are skewered. It's is NOT a 0-100 scale, as there is NO way on God's green earth ANY of us are going to smoke weed that by looking at and smelling we judge to be a 50 "pointer" or less. NO way. If I have a 100 point chicken breast in my fridge, organic Colorado fair trade humanly grown hippie chicken, and I come back a few days later, and my mechanical brain looks at it and says, "Wow, this was a 100 point breast, now it's probably about a 50 pointer" I AM NOT EATING IT. It's got mold and smells, and so on. So we're not smoking that weed. So really, what is the lowest grade of weed we're going to smoke? 60 pointers? What is that? Kind schwag?

So for the sake of argument, a bud that looks tumbled, has messed up triches, tastes and smells like shit is what, a 60? Let's be real assholes and give it a 45, half of the Urkel OG, is that fair? Well, no not really. Because just like the rotten chicken meat, the herb is WORTHLESS. It's not HALF of what the Urkel is, it is 0% of it. It sucks while costing what, 10% less?

So what were really dealing with here is a scale of true medicinal herb. So lets say that the low end is an F at 60% and herb that is EXACTLY what it should be is 100%. So shit weed gets an F just for showing up, and that's 60% of the score? That's really fucked and makes no sense but let's move on. What it seems to me we are dealing with is the area from 60-100 percent, or 40 percentage points.

The Urkel OG got an A-, which is 90-91. That's about 75% of the TRUE possible points ranging from absolute awful shit weed coming in at 60 points (which again by some bent standard is about 66% of The Urkels' score just for being grown even if it is pure shit) to this undefined ideal of "perfection" that gets the 100% crown.

There is no way on God's green earth that this gets 75% of the possible points.

So if this is not as good as it gets, somebody PLEASE tell me and Bryan and everyone how to make it better, cause I can't see it. The guy is obviously passionate (like many of you are) and I bet if you have anything real to offer, I'm sure he'll listen. I know I'd like to know.

So just how do you make this 9 to 10 points (which is either 10% or 25% of the possible total score and huge either way) better???


Let's hear it. I'm ALL ears. :thumbsup:


peace and blessings to all

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Steve, I agree with a lot of what you say. Mostly, it is difficult to find
a perfect grading system. The one our team is most familiar with is a
top-tier law school from experience. The worst student in that school has
the intelligence to be president (or something that actually takes
intelligence) and they will receive a C+. KindReviews doesn't pick up any
marijuana that wouldn't be accepted into such a school, they are all good
(or supposedly).

So the curve (we've redistributed the curve last night and will be updating
grades this week) is currently over 100 strains. That means 3 or 4 ONLY
will receive an A+ out of that 100. Same story for C+ which now has 4
strains. A and B- will each garner 10-15 strains, with A- and B holding
another 20ish. That gives B+ about 30 on its own and pushes our small
curve. We elected to make a shallower curve because we feel 50-60 strains
in B+ out of 100 doesn't assist the person who probably needs the site (or
any review board) the most. A brand new patient, novice smoker, or 60s
smoker only maybe doesn't need the Bruce Banner #3 or the Plum Kush to find
what they are looking for.

I know that only partially addresses your rotten chicken analogy, but the
truth is if they show up in our system they are good enough to make a top
tier law school, so D and F grades don't apply here. Black Magic and our
Purple Urkel sample rank as the worst, they are the bottom of the barrel
(they are both WAY better than any shit weed I smoked in high school but
they are the worst at this "gathering").

An A- for the Urkel-OG says this definitively, KR.com thinks this is above
average in a group of superstars, it stands on its own as an amazing strain
and should be acquired whenever possible. But it also says this, out of our
multi-reviewer team, reviewing on multiple occasions and under differing
circumstances we feel the Afgooey (Delta 9), the Blue Dream (CCH), the Hong
Kong, and the Skunk #1 (HC) all had more consistently strong effects than
did the Urkel-OG. Is that bad? No. Is it true? Yes - for us. We've
reviewed them all this exact same way. We are all in our 30s, we've all
smoked for 15+ years daily, some of us grow, we have different reasons for
getting our cards. If one strain makes all of us say A and another has one
A+, A, A-, A-, B, B it's getting an A- or B+ (and would probably be
re-reviewed just on that question, A- or B+).

The simple fact is, we may live on different planets and that's okay, but an
A or A+ grade won't go to a strain that has any reviewers on our team giving
it less than an A, we just can't do that because it's our standard.

Lastly, Steve and the rest, thank you for sharing your feedback. You all
forced us to redistribute the curve earlier than we planned and we forced
ourselves to make the time to do it - you will see many A- strains are now
B+ strains and so on. That's a good exercise for our team and it brings
additional value to our reader. I also want to make sure that people know
we appreciate the "experts" getting involved, commenting, questioning and
such, but we started the site for different reasons. My father's sudden and
severe headaches, our sister's chemotherapy, a grandmother's serious
question about paranoia. These are the people who need information the
most, the rest who enjoy the site obviously make us happy and we hope that
you too can add value for the clueless or questioning patient. I also
encourage you to go to National Weedographic - A Place To Share where it's an open forum
for all. Talk smack on KR.com, that's fine, goof out on some stoner shit,
that's fine, start a for real science discussion, I'd love it - just come
get (or stay) involved. I love this industry and have great passion for the
plant and its surroundings. Diatribe done... :)

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Originally Posted by KindReviews

An A- for the Urkel-OG says this definitively, KR.com thinks this is above
average in a group of superstars, it stands on its own as an amazing strain
and should be acquired whenever possible. But it also says this, out of our
multi-reviewer team, reviewing on multiple occasions and under differing
circumstances we feel the Afgooey (Delta 9), the Blue Dream (CCH), the Hong
Kong, and the Skunk #1 (HC) all had more consistently strong effects than
did the Urkel-OG. Is that bad? No. Is it true? Yes - for us. We've
reviewed them all this exact same way. We are all in our 30s, we've all
smoked for 15+ years daily, some of us grow, we have different reasons for
getting our cards. If one strain makes all of us say A and another has one
A+, A, A-, A-, B, B it's getting an A- or B+ (and would probably be
re-reviewed just on that question, A- or B+).

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I would love to take any of those strains mentioned and put them next to the urkle og and see what patients pick!!!!!!!!!!:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

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Originally Posted by ColoradoCareMMJ

I would love to take any of those strains mentioned and put them next to the urkle og and see what patients pick!!!!!!!!!!:jointsmile::jointsmile::jointsmile:

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Then let's make that happen!!!!! You should also enter it in the Boulder Cannabis Cup, TheStrainMan, Channing (Denver Chronicle) and myself will be 3 of the 15 judges. Entries have to be in by April 1st. We should also coordinate a local blind test.

Great idea Bryan!!!

^I know what I'd pick.

I guess it goes to show the inherent subjectivity to the weed experience.

KR thanks for that post. It helps kind of understand where you're coming from.

I've also been smoking for 15+ years. And I've been hitting dispensaries for nearly 6 months now. I had a good job that allowed me to sample 8ths/grams from places almost on a daily basis, i.e. probably as much as or more than marijuana reviewers.

CCF is the ONLY dispensary where I feel I haven't gotten some kind of tarnished bud be it either mold, wetness, immaturity, improper/no cure, chemical/neem taste, etc. This has happened multiple times at many dispensaries. Over time, I unconsciously started showing up at CCF more. I noticed over time that the quality was far above par across the board there. Yeah, you MAY occasionally be able to find something as good or better (debatable) at certain other dispensaries, but you will also be let down more frequently. And I know of no other shop with the in-house quality and selection... Even when considering THC up in Rollinsville - most of those jars are vendor weed from my understanding.

You know it started out FarmerSteve really talking these guys up. I went once and didn't really see what he was so excited about. I thought he worked for them! Then after 2-3 more trips I'm singing the same song!

So I see where you're coming from although we will have to agree to disagree. I've had Banner from D9, I believe it was number 3. IMO most of my purchases from CCF have been as good or better than the Banner. And good luck getting yourself some Banner anyway!! The only thing I really didn't understand was the stuff from Herbal Connections getting an A+!! I've been in there countless times and they've never had anything remotely good as what I've gotten at CCF. I sometimes wondered if they even had the connections. They have far too much questionable vendor product there. I suppose they could've gotten lucky with good product a few times.

And I understand you're not rating dispensaries! I guess I'm just trying to give some insight on why some people feel CCF got robbed. I just hope that you'll make it into CCF for a few more reviews so you may see what some of us see in CCF.

Peace

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Originally Posted by lampost

^I know what I'd pick.

I guess it goes to show the inherent subjectivity to the weed experience.

KR thanks for that post. It helps kind of understand where you're coming from.

I've also been smoking for 15+ years. And I've been hitting dispensaries for nearly 6 months now. I had a good job that allowed me to sample 8ths/grams from places almost on a daily basis, i.e. probably as much as or more than marijuana reviewers.

CCF is the ONLY dispensary where I feel I haven't gotten some kind of tarnished bud be it either mold, wetness, immaturity, improper/no cure, chemical/neem taste, etc. This has happened multiple times at many dispensaries. Over time, I unconsciously started showing up at CCF more. I noticed over time that the quality was far above par across the board there. Yeah, you MAY occasionally be able to find something as good or better (debatable) at certain other dispensaries, but you will also be let down more frequently. And I know of no other shop with the in-house quality and selection... Even when considering THC up in Rollinsville - most of those jars are vendor weed from my understanding.

You know it started out FarmerSteve really talking these guys up. I went once and didn't really see what he was so excited about. I thought he worked for them! Then after 2-3 more trips I'm singing the same song!

So I see where you're coming from although we will have to agree to disagree. I've had Banner from D9, I believe it was number 3. IMO most of my purchases from CCF have been as good or better than the Banner. And good luck getting yourself some Banner anyway!! The only thing I really didn't understand was the stuff from Herbal Connections getting an A+!! I've been in there countless times and they've never had anything remotely good as what I've gotten at CCF. I sometimes wondered if they even had the connections. They have far too much questionable vendor product there. I suppose they could've gotten lucky with good product a few times.

And I understand you're not rating dispensaries! I guess I'm just trying to give some insight on why some people feel CCF got robbed. I just hope that you'll make it into CCF for a few more reviews so you may see what some of us see in CCF.

Peace

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Herbal Connections never got an A+

Thank you, everyone, for your honesty and involvement. We will definitely
be back to CCF (we had some internal votes for A grade or better) so please
don't think we've closed our minds or lungs to what they are doing over
there. Be well!

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Originally Posted by ColoradoCareMMJ

Damn steve I just read that whole post and im still a bit lost here... im a wait for this hash to wear off and try to read again :jointsmile:

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I get that a lot :jointsmile:

It makes sense, and I REALLY appreciate KR taking my words with kindness AND the fact that it helped improve a flawed scale. Like lampost said though, it's all in the tongue of the beholder.

I'm just saying, unless you are really into one or two strains from different places, CCF is going to have across the board fire that nobody can match. Period. I've sat in awe watching lampost go through and review a LOT of weed, and even though I've never met him, I KNOW he knows what's up.

I've had everything I want to try in Metro/Boulder/Nederland with the exception of Banner, Tangerine Haze at THC, and Sage from OBM. I haven't reviewed anything on here unless I have something nice to say, my opinion is just that. But in all honesty, I've had CAM's supposed best stuff, and compared to Bryan's gear, it wasn't nothing, and the guys were dicks to me when I went in both times. That counts for something no?

Just my .02

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Originally Posted by lampost

^I know what I'd pick.



You know it started out FarmerSteve really talking these guys up. I went once and didn't really see what he was so excited about. I thought he worked for them! Then after 2-3 more trips I'm singing the same song!

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:)

Bryan and I have laughed about this a few times. But I know now what I believed then, that his bud is unbeatable.

I'm not going to get into it, but even though I'm from an anti herb state, and cut my teeth on brick pack and mids, I have had amazing stuff. A FOAF in my 20's grew strains that were entered into the Cup (when it still mattered) and was KNOWN amongst PLAYERS (literal pro athletes and ballers) in the Phoenix metro area. His work has always been the standard that I have held as I have searched for the "holy grail grower".

And that's why I asked what people's creds were. You can drink wine for 30 years, even spend a ton of money on it, and till not know WTF you're talking about. I've drank for 5 or so years, don't have a lot of money, but I can, and have had discussions and tasting sessions with sommeliers and layman experts, and they are always impressed with what I have to bring. So length of time smoking means zilch.

That said, when it comes to MJ, my creds are weak too, with the exception of the fact that I have spent several hours with growers who have actually won awards for their work. And then there was the time the guys came back and we spent a good week smoking the VERY herb that won in Amesterdam while world class growers showed me what was up. I may not have as vast of knowledge, but I KNOW what world class marijuana looks, tastes and smells like.

And I would put my money where my mouth is to back that statement up. I'm always right here if anyone wants to challenge my declaration that CCF is THE spot in all of Colorado. And don't bring me ONE strain. That's great. But hitting a grand slam in the bottom of the 9th means little if you're hitting .115 with the rest of your work. What does it say about you as a grower, a supposed "professional" when you have one or two strains and the rest of your stuff is mediocre or just plain shit? I want at least 3 examples, and if I'm wrong, I'll admit it. But I know I'm not.

peace to all

I think it is important to add that in NO way, shape or form has anyone at CCF ever paid me, or boosted me, or promised me anything for me promoting them and their work. If anything, we talked about how I needed to pull back because of how my reviews may be received.

I do this for the love. The love of people who CARE about their craft. Be it MMJ, or serving a table, or fixing a car, I dig people who do it for the love. Because it ALWAYS, ALWAYS shows in their work.