But Breuk, when you go into threads about consuming excessive amounts of bran accompanied by diarhhea, you "suggest" that it could be Celiac... because chances are, you don't know that person's body mechanisms...
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But Breuk, when you go into threads about consuming excessive amounts of bran accompanied by diarhhea, you "suggest" that it could be Celiac... because chances are, you don't know that person's body mechanisms...
I must have misunderstood you, then, or I do have you confused, which seems less likely. I've known you since practically my first week here! What were you alluding to, if it's shareable, when you've so disdainfully mentioned single women raising boy children or women parents being able to understand boys?Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
The guy posted about it, and this is similar to what happened to me. Watch the video that was on the View earlier this week - it's more common than you think. According to Dr. Green, of the Columbia Celiac Disease Center in New York, where I have gone for evaluations and advice, most people are not really meant to eat gluten.Quote:
Originally Posted by Purple Banana
I consider myself "lucky" that I have the genetic warning signs of Celiac, because my symptoms let me know that I was eating something that was poison to my body. It's an advantage that most gluten-sensitive/intolerant people do not have. Heres' the video from last Wed.:
The View | National Foundation for Celiac Awareness
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Originally Posted by birdgirl73
I can't see how it could be anything other than confusion on your part, which is certainly not a big deal to me.
I do not think that the majority of women understand the male mind - and have very incorrect perceptions about what being a man entails. Most young men don't know how to act, or think, anymore. Just read what the kids write on the forums here. There are some notable exceptions, fortunately. This is the way the society is - men are as just much to blame for it as women. At one time, boys worked along-side their father and learned certain values - this is no longer possible for the majority of boys. The parents are working away from the home - and bringing the kid to work with them once a year doesn't cut it. Men are becoming feminized, at the expense of their manhood. It's been happening for a while, and is getting worse. The metrosexual males are now in the mainstream, and annoying, but the gangbanger types are almost exclusively the products of single-mothers' households. They do not have a good family, so they try to compensate for it by creating a perverse, violent imitation of one.
The only way to remedy these problems is for men to reclaim their rightful place in the home, and society. Since this isn't going to happen anytime soon, and possibly never, it's going to be a worse world in the future. I'm saddened by this, but that's my opinon.
Wow.
To be honest I hadn't thought about my pet theory in 20 years. I do believe there is a connection there but I have not pulled out the old college text books to plot out the demise of western civilization as it relates to womens rights. Of course there is more to it then that. Duh!
What amazes me is the ire it raised in all of you. We have pot smoking doctors and med students telling me...
I believe you're mostly annoyed, Slowlickity, because people have used very simple logic??and fine words??to point out unassailable facts.
Talk about condescending. I feel like I have been personaly attacked and am about to be chased off the site because I chose to openly and honestly state my opinion on the history and effects of womens liberation in America. You all disagree with me. Fine. But why the hostility? Surely it works against convincing me of the wrongness of my side.
I have never claimed to understand women so maybe you all can help me. Would you like me to be the neaderthal Marine the government trained me to be, pretend the things you have said don't hurt, and go on a vernal rampage assailing your liniage? Or would you like me to be the wimpering liberal mama's boy who say's yes ma'am. Whatever you say ma'am? How about I treat all of you as I would like you to treat me? I have tried to do so. have you?
Birdgirl. i have been a fan of your's since before i joined here. I am very disapointed in you attitude twords me. You may think I am wrong but I have not been rude. Did I ask if you and Dave were podiatrist? Have I asked what do they call the person who graduates last in his class from med school? DOCTOR! No. I will assume Dave knows of what he speaks when telling us that The rise in heart disease among women is not related to the stress of work but I am very very surprised to hear it. I have not studied it but I sure do believe I have read it more then once in the news. Maybe I learned something from you. I will be sure to read closer next time it comes on the news.
- Slow -:(
If I was rude, I apologize. I do. I've appreciated you, too, and I still do even disagreeing with you. I mean that, and I don't want hard feelings to linger on here. I certainly don't harbor any. If I could, I would like to shake your hand and show you that I mean this very sincerely. I enjoy a good debate, but I do get carried away sometimes, and you can tell I'm not short on opinions!
It's very important to me as a med student and my husband as a practicing physician to make it clear that we're strong cannabis advocates but not actual users. I will submit to any drug test to prove this point, as will he. Before I entered school last year when my older sister was enduring the last of her final chemo treatment, I joined her in some tokes and enjoyed them, as I did back during college, immensely. But since entering school last August, I had to give up cannabis and cannot, as one who's undertaking the study of medicine and will be asked to abide by laws with regard to both illegal and legal drugs, be a cannabis user right now. My husband doesn't smoke for the very same reason. He would risk losing his license in this state if he were to do so. He actually never smoked even in college because he never learned how to inhale and was always in athletics. Nevertheless, we both know it's important medically and largely hamrless recreationally. Along with places like this forum and NORML, it'll be people like us who change this country's cannabis laws, and it's important that while we're trying to help do that and educate others about its benefits, we're free from any personal attachment to cannabis so we're above reproach medically and ethically. Hope that makes sense. It was important for me to set that part of the record straight.
Lest anyone think I'm not a true believer in cannabis, when the day comes that I've finished school and finished my career, I will set Guinness smoking records. I'm going to have a lot of lost time to make up for. With luck, by that time, the attitudes toward it will have changed! And I hope sincerely I'll have been a help in changing them.
Can we declare peace, Slowlickity? I hope so! I'm glad you're pro-family and traditional. I consider myself both those things as well.
Thank you Birdgirl. That was a very nice post. Maybe when we both retire we can shake hands and pass the peace pipe. lol
My turn to confess.....I haven't smoked since college too too many years ago. It dosn't suit my personality well. I just recently began growing to help my sister who is soon to be confined to a wheel chair for her arthritus (her hubby is a podiatrist BTW). It really helps ease her pain. Some of the experimental drugs she has tried have been truely awfull (she went into cardiac arrest durring one transfusion). She is only 49 and is in excellent health in all other aspects. Pot is the only thing that really helps consistently.
Thank you again Birdgirl. Our disagreement has been nagging at me and I'm glad to put it to bed.
Your pal;
- Slow -
I found this website the other day and i want to know what you guys think of it. Personally, i agree with some things on the website but not all. It talks about repealing the right for women to vote:p ! Thats crazy everyone should be able to vote i think. I do agree though when it talks about women staying home and raising the kids instead of working. My mom stayed home and raised me and i wouldnt want it any other way.
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Glad to hear back from you! You're more than welcome, and I am glad to reconcile things, too. Sorry to hear you didn't find weed to suit your personality. I found it simply marvelous. A wonderful natural antidepressant and very pleasant, although it didn't make my lungs or heart happy, but few things do. I have asthma and heart-rhythm trouble. When my beautiful older sister, who is now at rest and out of pain, was enduring those final chemo side-effects, it was like a miracle drug. Dave, who hadn't been fully convinced before, was instantly won over. My whole family was (and here I mean my parents and in-laws--people of the generation that simply thought it was harmful, evil "dope." Glad to hear it helps your sister's arthritis. There are lots of members here who get similar benefits for various rheumatic conditions. Makes me mad every time I think about it that in most states, they are put in the awkward position of having to break the law in order to get the help they need. We all need to keep fighting the good fight on that.
You take care, Slowlickity. And have a great week ahead. I've got to go study genetics now, doggone it.
Sorry, I've been away but I'd really like to jump into this conversation. Some male input for your consideration.
Recently I've begun to think of feminism along the same lines as I think of communism. In theory, it's a good idea, but in practice it seldom works well.
Women have definitely been mistreated in the past, and still are, all over the world. So of course women banding together to work for equal rights should be a good thing, but in every single case that I have witnessed, feminism has just led to a lot of elitist man-hating propaganda.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there aren't totally legitimate feminist groups out there, I'm just saying that every woman I've ever personally met who claims that she is a feminist have been unfair and unreasonable towards all men and non-feminist women.
I hope I'm not offending anyone with this, but it's the honest truth. Again, I'm not saying there aren't real, well meaning feminists, I'm just stating that I've met many so-called "feminists" and they've all been elitists, and pretty bitchy.
To any feminists on here... what are some goals that you're actually working toward? I honestly don't see how women (at least here in Canada) don't have the same rights as men. So, I'm probably wrong about that at least... sock it to me.
Wow. Okay.
I have what may be a different perspective on this, simply because of the time I was born. I sucked oxygen in 1969, the tail end of the civil rights movement, the middle of the feminist movement. I also come from a family full of strong broads. I've never NOT had rights, in my mind anyway. It always shocks me when I am treated as "less than" due to my race or my gender. I'm not used to it.
So, Jack, when I read something like what you posted^, I'm jarred to the core. I'm concerned on a number of levels, the chief level being that I know some no self esteem having member of my gender is going to come to this thread and tell you how fervently she agrees with you. Which will cause me to bite my tongue in twain.
I'm going to do some Googling and get back to you on this one, because here in the States, I still make only 73 cents for every USD a man makes. If the things I read here on Cdot are any indication, I am earning less than people who have little more than a brainstemQuote:
To any feminists on here... what are some goals that you're actually working toward? I honestly don't see how women (at least here in Canada) don't have the same rights as men. So, I'm probably wrong about that at least... sock it to me.
My goals as a feminist? For this conversation to be as outdated as picking a china pattern and wedding night virginity.
I don't disagree with feminism, tho I do disagree with its name. I understand that when the movement first started, it must be called something to bring awareness to the cause, but I feel the name is outdated. Women now have the same rights as men. Are they discriminated against? Yes. But they do have equal rights, as far as I know. I used to call myself an equalitist because of this. Humanist is a great term that I'm surprised that I've never heard until reading this thread, it fits me quite well.
I equate feminists with the extreme side, the women who tell other women that they're "setting [women] back 20 years" because they pose in a bikini. Equal rights doesn't mean that a woman has to uphold a certain standard, that's the exact opposite of equal rights. A woman doesn't have to do something because a "feminist" says it's what she should be doing. That's not worse that a woman having doing something because a man tells her to do something. Equal rights is about having the freedom to do what anyone else on earth can do, if you so choose. If you can't do them because of your own personal limitations, that's fine, as long as you have the choice to attempt it. I personally can't give birth, but that's a physical limitation, not because "women won't let me", and that's fine.
I also disagree with "feminists" telling me that I'll never understand what they go through as women because I'm a man.
Okay, I'll bite. Explain how it is that you can "feel" me, so to speak. Tell me your tales of oppression and menstruation.:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Hardcore Newbie
If that does happen--and I passionately hope it won't--but if it does, I'm betting that agreement could only come from someone who's still a girl and who hasn't yet encountered the adult world. If a self-respecting adult woman declares her agreement with Jack, I, too, will be tongue-severed, Lady Greenjeans. And apoplectic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Greenjeans
My goals? Again, these are my humanist goals, which encompass all groups who're treated unfairly. If you substituted "humanism" or "human rights" for "feminism" in your post above, Jack, you'd see the folly in it right away.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack the Tripper
- To get equal pay for equal work
- To receive equal educations and have teachers and professors nurture girl and women, gay, and racially diverse students in the same way they do straight white male students, from K - post-graduate professional school
- To get equal consideration for all jobs
- To be free from religious or political judgment or oppression
- To receive and give equal courtesy (to have doors opened for us and to open doors for others, both literally and figuratively)
- To be seen as intellectually equal with 25- 55-something white men no matter what gender, race, age or sexual preference we are
- To compete and be considered for physical jobs when we demonstrate physical equality (military combat and fire-fighting are two that pop into my head)
- To have men of all races and geographies, particularly the ones who have a touch of machismo or religious-influenced women/gays/blacks-are-second-class-citizens attitudes, regard us as intellectual equals, and to have any women/gays/people of color who don't perceive us as such (and there are a frightening lot of them) regard us the same way
- To have mastery of our own physical destiny, which extends to
1. Medical care (women, people of color, gays, and poor people lag behind in their quality of health care)- To have equal rights to marry or not to marry, whether we're women in a non-equality culture like Saudi Arabia, or gays
2. Our reproductive rights (men and women, particularly, but also transgendered people. Here I mean birth control, abortion, and surgery to add, subtract or create female or male reproductive organs )
3. Our right to die with dignity and, if we need it, with compassionate assistance
I seem to have exhausted my brain and can't think of any more, but I suspect there are lots more. I've studied for 9 hours today. So I don't have much ability to generate deep thought tonight.
I've decided to make another post in here. Both my parents work pretty much all day everyday and still work quite a few hours and work a lot from home. Anyways as a child I rarely saw my mom and dad. I'm not saying women should be the ones staying home, but I feel as though one of the parents should be with the child if posible. Not being with my parents allowed me to grow close to my grandmothers but keeps my family isolated and made me learn stuff on my own. My mom was also still doing houseowork such as cleaning,cooking,etc. She was really stressed out and would lash out over nothing. My dad was also under lots of pressure from work and I would see him maybe the hour before I went to bed. But the way I see it, their should be equalness and more or less responsibility. Everyone just has to take care of themselves, and if they need help they should get a little. It shouldn't be women cleaning and cooking, it should be a mix of men and women. Also women are people, and people should all be treated with the same respect and dignity. End rant.
Yes, it's "deep" - but I'd rather not say any more tonight, either!Quote:
Originally Posted by birdgirl73
OHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!Quote:
Originally Posted by Demeter
I officially love you.
edited to say: I somehow missed an entire page of this thread. Bad cannabis, messing with my perceptions like that. For shame.
I for one am tired of the door holding argument. I have never in my life railed at a man for holding the door for me, and I don't personally know any woman who has. I think it's some sort of troglodyte urban legend, like saying black people eat babies.
It's just plain common courtesy to hold a door open. I do it for anyone, and when people do it for me, I am appreciative and show the proper gratitude.
We really need a smooch smiley, cause I can't rep you any more, so here's a big ol fat kiss! MMMMuuuuuwwwaaahhhh!Quote:
Originally Posted by dutch.lover
I feel a heart problem coming on, but I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with voting and everything to do with throwback ideology. Ungh, you make Og's brain hurt.Quote:
Originally Posted by slowlickitysplit
I consider myself a feminist, and I am a stay at home mom. I do side jobs, and such when I need extra scratch for something special. To me, the two are not mutally exclusive. Feminism is about being able to CHOOSE my destiny, as opposed to having it DICKtated to me.*intentional misspelling*Quote:
Originally Posted by slowlickitysplit
How about this one:s2: or this one:s3: .......Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Greenjeans
Have a good one!:jointsmile:
Yeah, I should use the first one. The second one looks a little too um, intimate. I mean, I love Dutch and all, but damn.
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Birdgirl, Purple Banana, Dutchlover, Mrs. G- I am so proud to read your responses and know that the intelligence of women can offset some feeble and narrow opinions that still threaten the development of the human species! I have had a similar argument many, many times in my position as an educator, and while I am usually able to maintain my patience with young men and women who haven't yet read enough or thought enough to know the facts about oppression, I felt little explosions in my head when I read what the aptly named "slow" and his ilk had to say. SO THANK YOU for saying what you did so well!
Thanks also to the men who replied in support of women's rights to choose their destiny -esp Dave Byrd, no wonder bg adores you- you recognize that feminism is a civil rights issue! You are able to see beyond the connotations the word has developed (poor "feminism"- she got demonized, big surprize, no, not in this patriarchy, surely!) to the core issues of human freedom. :thumbsup:
You know Dave Byrd gets maaaaaad lovin' from BG.;)
Why do you do this to me BA? You enjoy knowing I'm banging my forehead on my desktop? I think you do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
Huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Maggz
Doggone server lag.
I'd like to quote Lennon/Ono if I may...
"Woman is the n***** of the world."
I added the asterisks myself. Y'all know what it means.
Wow this thread has sure taken off...my internet hasnt really been working lately so I havent been able to check up on this in awhile.
All I really have to say right now, is for newcomers who are watching the debate on the last few pages, to read the first page of this thread first. I think a lot of you (like Jack and Breulekan among others) haven't bothered to read it....in the first page I go thru what feminism is, what the goals are, what the misconceptions are, etc. It's strictly "educational" if you will, no arguing or anything, so please read it first before commenting or asking questions because I may have already covered it. Thanks.
And one more thing, to those of you who are saying/thinking "women have the same rights as men...the law says they do"...laws do not equal enforcement! Rights and laws don't mean anything unless those whom it pertains to are able to exercise those rights. Women are making much less than men in North America, and there are huge double standards. Most women work what is called the 'second shift'- they work 8+ hours a day at their job, then come home, and it's their 'job' to cook, clean and look after the kids. My stepmom does this cause my dad is a dominant a-hole...I'm glad my real mom divorced him.
With trepidation I dive back in....
Birdgirl writes;
My goals? Again, these are my humanist goals, which encompass all groups who're treated unfairly. If you substituted "humanism" or "human rights" for "feminism" in your post above, Jack, you'd see the folly in it right away.
- To get equal pay for equal work
- To receive equal educations and have teachers and professors nurture girl and women, gay, and racially diverse students in the same way they do straight white male students, from K - post-graduate professional school
- To get equal consideration for all jobs
- To be free from religious or political judgment or oppression
- To receive and give equal courtesy (to have doors opened for us and to open doors for others, both literally and figuratively)
- To be seen as intellectually equal with 25- 55-something white men no matter what gender, race, age or sexual preference we are
- To compete and be considered for physical jobs when we demonstrate physical equality (military combat and fire-fighting are two that pop into my head)
- To have men of all races and geographies, particularly the ones who have a touch of machismo or religious-influenced women/gays/blacks-are-second-class-citizens attitudes, regard us as intellectual equals, and to have any women/gays/people of color who don't perceive us as such (and there are a frightening lot of them) regard us the same way
- To have mastery of our own physical destiny, which extends to
1. Medical care (women, people of color, gays, and poor people lag behind in their quality of health care)
2. Our reproductive rights (men and women, particularly, but also transgendered people. Here I mean birth control, abortion, and surgery to add, subtract or create female or male reproductive organs )
3. Our right to die with dignity and, if we need it, with compassionate assistance
- To have equal rights to marry or not to marry, whether we're women in a non-equality culture like Saudi Arabia, or gays
Lets take these one at a time..
1) Equal pay for equal work. I agree. My boss is an idiot and I should be paid more then her. But how is that a woman issue? There are laws against discrimination on gender in the work force.
2)Have teachers nurture girls? I think that's backwards. In American primary education girls get a much better education. The whole system is geared towards girls and thier ability vs. boys to sit still, verbaly comunicate, use fine motor skills and cooperate.
3)Equal courtesy? Personaly I feel it was radical feminisim that beat the stuffing out of chivilry.
4)to be treated as intelectual and physical equalls? Show me! Prove to me that you (anyone) can pass the same physical tests to become a NYC firefighter and I will treat you exactly as I treat your male counterpart. You make it sound like you want entitelment for being a woman. Sorry. Ain't gonna happen. Same for intellectual pursuits. I know many (most) women who are smarter then me. That dosen't mean I'm going to approach the next woman with the assumption she is smarter. Nope.
5) The rest of your current causes sound very much like humanisim and not feminisim.
NOW..... New thought that brought me here today...
Has/should feminisim morph into general activisim? Most of the battles have been won in this arena and I see many would be feminitst becoming involved in other social causes. Is this good? bad? Comments?
- Slow -
Breuk, lately every time you post, I realize that you're one of the most archaic??and frighteningly uninformed??men I've ever been acquainted with. You also distort the most simple concepts put forth by others. Cases in point below:
- To get equal pay for equal work
We already have laws for that.
No we certainly do not. We have laws for equal opportunity employment which aren't always honored, but we don't have any such law for equal pay. Unless you have one in NYC. Nationally? No sir. Women still make .73 - .82 cents for every dollar men do.
- To receive equal educations and have teachers and professors nurture girl and women, gay, and racially diverse students in the same way they do straight white male students, from K - post-graduate professional school
Translation: Affirmative action based on sex and race. "Special" considerations, and additional coddling for said recipients.
Affirmative action was your translation, not mine. Here I simply want teachers to pay the same attention to women and minorities as they do to boys and men. Do your research. They don??t do this in primary or secondary schools. They don??t do this in colleges, grad schools or law/medical schools, either. What a pity you??re not aware of this. It??s been studied and proven repeatedly.
- To get equal consideration for all jobs
See above
Again, you're seeing it through your own disparagement filter here. I mean real equal consideration. That does not happen right now. Ask the EEO Commission or the Dept of Labor. They see thousands of cases every day that have nothing to do with affirmative action or lack of it.
- To be free from religious or political judgment or oppression
Women and minorities are not free of this type of behavior, but get away with it even more today.
I don't even know what that meant, but, as is so often the case with you, it conveyed disdain instead of coherent thought. I want us all to be free from religious or political judgment or oppression. Even you.
- To receive and give equal courtesy (to have doors opened for us and to open doors for others, both literally and figuratively)
American men are still chivalrous, to a large extent, but you can't please everybody.
My goal was of a many-way street of courtesy but, yet again, you didn't grasp that and interpreted this only through a sexist male-female filter. I want us all opening doors for each other, and I mean women for men, men for transvestites, all people for old folks, men for women, all people for people of color and vice versa. And I want us opening the thought and perception doors (like in education, health care, and religion) that have been closed to these groups before now.
- To be seen as intellectually equal with 25- 55-something white men no matter what gender, race, age or sexual preference we are
To be "seen", whether they are or are not intellectually equal in every case? Generally speaking, nobody really takes intelligence into account as far as these criteria??s go, but who is responsible for most of the world's inventions and scientific discoveries?
To be acknowledged as equal when intellectual equality exists. Here I began to get nauseated with the realization of just how out-of-balance intellectual equality is with you.
- To compete and be considered for physical jobs when we demonstrate physical equality (military combat and fire-fighting are two that pop into my head)
Men cannot be chivalrous and work with women in dangerous jobs at the same time. They have been raised, at least in America, to protect - and it is very dangerous for them to have women on the front lines in hazardous occupations such as firefighting. Their wives and female loved ones know this better then anyone.
Malarkey. Men wouldn't be asked to be chivalrous any more than women in these jobs would, and if they felt inclined toward it, then that wouldn't be reason to prevent women from having those jobs even so. I was a firefighter-medic for 7 years. Physically strong women do that work every day. You probably didn't know that paramedics pass all the same firefighting and physical endurance exams and get all the same training that men do. We suit up and fight fires in addition to doing medical rescue work every day. We work as police officers, too. Those of us who are physically capable, as we are in firefighting and police work, can do the same in military combat. Both genders can support each other in dangerous situations. In reality, that's how that actually works in those jobs.
- To have men of all races and geographies, particularly the ones who have a touch of machismo or religious-influenced women/gays/blacks-are-second-class-citizens attitudes, regard us as intellectual equals, and to have any women/gays/people of color who don't perceive us as such (and there are a frightening lot of them) regard us the same way
Religions are primarily supported by women, minorities, and the working class.
Check your facts more closely. In America, slightly more women attend church than men. But people who consider themselves religious both here and around the world are a balanced mix of women, men, minorities, and various classes. Universally, the primary financial and political support??and every aspect of organized religion/church leadership??comes from men. Your response really had nothing whatsoever to do with the goal I cited.
- To have mastery of our own physical destiny, which extends to
1. Medical care (women, people of color, gays, and poor people lag behind in their quality of health care)
2. Our reproductive rights (men and women, particularly, but also transgendered people. Here I mean birth control, abortion, and surgery to add, subtract or create female or male reproductive organs )
Who is supposed to pay for this multi-minority sexual-fetish utopia?
Here you??re distorting through your ??curmudgeon? filter again. And it??s again a simple answer, not a utopian one. Same people pay for it who pay for it now. Insurance. Patients who pay fee-for-service/out-of-pocket. In some cases, health care social services, but that??s rare. If we can get universal health care, that??d help. You needn??t worry about that personally, though. You won??t support it. When you have time, you need to read about the causes of transexualism (hormonal influence in fetal development) and also educate yourself on the actual definition of ??fetish.?
3. Our right to die with dignity and, if we need it, with compassionate assistance[/INDENT
No argument there.
Nor from me reciprocally. I do wish you regarded people who are different from you with equal amounts of dignity in life, however.
- To have equal rights to marry or not to marry, whether we're women in a non-equality culture like Saudi Arabia, or gays
Let's not interfere with Saudi Arabia anymore. Gays should be allowed to have civil unions equivilent to marriage.
Yet again you distorted a simple statement and answered it with a different tangent involving ??interference.? Please educate yourself. Saudi Arabia is simply a single example of the women-as-marriage-chattel behavior and attitude that goes on around the world all the time and even still occurs in well-developed countries (mostly by the more primitive religious groups). That??s what I want to stop for women. At least you understood the part about civil unions.
I??m so glad Mrs. Greenjeans chimed in. For a while there, thought my brainy male and female friends here were probably either so perplexed??or so exhausted??by you that they were not even going to waste their time commenting. After this, I shall follow their lead. You??re not really someone who can follow simple debate points accurately enough to be able to respond logically.
Slowlickity, you can read my responses above to Breuk, which may answer some of yours. Especially about firefighting and the military and teacher-preferences for boys. That??s a proven fact. Over and over in now more than 20 recognized academic studies. Ask anyone from people in basic teacher training to the dean of the Harvard School of Education. Check it for yourself on Google. This is something we all need to be aware of.
Wow. Mrs. GJ where's the love? Did i fertilize your garden? Why you jump on me? And Demeter; Negative reps? Why? because we disagree? Now I understand the pink Floyd song "We don't need no education" Better. Sure glad you're not coercing. uh, teaching my sons. Nice reasoning skills ladies!
Why do you want the right to vote? Just cause we have it? Voter appathy is at an all time high. You got the right but don't use it. We men no longer feel sole responsability for the course of our nation so why bother? Yes, that was tounge in cheek.
Wish I was enlightened enough to end this with a signature tha delt with your anatomy too. Unfortunately, my MOTHER taught me better.
- Slow -
The alleged pay disparity between men and women in America is too big a topic to tackle here. Suffice to say, there are good reasons for it - mostly due to education, part-time vs. full-time, etc. People that do the same work are getting paid 98% the same. 94% of job fatalities in the U.S. involve men. Why? Because they are the ones that are willing to take on physically dangerous jobs ( Male-female income disparity in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)Quote:
Originally Posted by dutch.lover
As far as considering childrearing "work" - nobody can force a woman to have kids - that is their decision. It's not my responsibility to pay them.
I have interests, like music, that I nurtured after work - on my own and for free. Children are a hobby and luxury. You must be prepared to sacrifice for them, and not expect society to force taxpayers to foot more of the bill and even pay wages to mothers.
Birdgirl,
I am a primary schol teacher. All my siblings and father are either educators or administrators. Let's remember what mark twain once said..."There are white lies, damned lies and statistics." Who paid for those studies you have quoted? You have a grown son. Think about it. Who is better able to sit and write for hours on end? Girls. Who is better suited to book learning versus hands on? Girls. The whole system is slanted towards women because women were at the heart of public education (Not university as in Plato's time) in America. I am happy to see this slowly changing. There are more and more resources for boy's particular strenghts but it is far from equal.
- Slow -
I deleted most of your responses because it's ground that has already been covered.Quote:
Originally Posted by birdgirl73
To be called "archaic", by you, is a compliment. If you consider my life's experiences and opinions based on them to be "uninformed", then we have a difference of opinion about what elements "information" consists of.
You have a different view of what "logic" is. I can assure you that there are many people capable of deductive reasoning, and logical thinking, that do not agree with most of your opinions about feminism and other issues. Many of the "simple points", which I may often disagree with, that you accuse me of "missing", are so obvious to an intelligent person, that they would assume even a simpleton would not need to address them head-on merely to acknowledge comprehension.
i dont really care about feminists. girls go around dressed in next nothing and getting places on their looks, then blame it on men and the media. youd think if they knew who to blame theyd be able to do something about it. im all for equal rights, and i think women have them at this point, and the ones they dont have, well, stop blaming your problems on men and the media, get together and make a difference you know, it is like how chapelle says black people need to stop blaming their problems on white people. true, whites have held blacks in america back as men have held women back, but now equal footing is totally possible, so if you know who to blame you know you can do something about it.
I don't agree with Demeter giving you negative rep Slow, but I thought I would point something out to you. What you have been saying has been insulting women to no end. You may not even realize you are doing this, but you seem to be blaming women for endless amounts of things. So you make us all angry (as im sure you have noticed), and then go on to post with the attitude of a kicked puppy. Frankly, it's exhausting. You piss us all off, then you make a post that sounds like you're crying about it. The reason I am telling you this is because I am trying to be civil, and wanted to bring this to your attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by slowlickitysplit
Dutch,
If I insulted anyone or any group I appologize. It certainly wasn't my aim. I was trying to show you all an alternative view and challange everyone's assumptions.
- Slow -
I already covered the topic of women blaming men on THE FIRST PAGE OF THIS THREAD. I would really appreciate it if you would respect me by not wasting my time complaining about something I have already covered, and sympathize with. Here's my post in response to someone who brought up women blaming men for things such as girls having eating disorders...Quote:
Originally Posted by suhl
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Originally Posted by dutch.lover
How can you claim women learn better 'by the book?' I, for one, enjoy learning hands-on, and I don't enjoy sitting for hours on end. I'm not the only one.Quote:
Originally Posted by slowlickitysplit
Primary school is a whole different ballpark from secondary and post-secondary education. Different people learn different ways; I honestly can't see how you would equate learning styles to gender-specific categories. It's all relative to the individual, not some group consensus.