Without Chuck Berry there would be no Elvis. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Perp
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Without Chuck Berry there would be no Elvis. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Perp
if just one person enjoys a band's music, then it has accomplished its task. searching for the meaning of life in a song or demanding that a band's music be intellectually stimulating are petty conceits and are totally irrelevant. of course the young pups are going to look at the legends of music as passe and the old farts will see the newer bands as pale imitations. each era's music speaks to that generation and only a few bits of music are able to withstand the test of time.
every product that is sold is over-hyped and music is a product, just like cars and corn flakes. all that really matters at the end of the day is whether you enjoyed your purchase.
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Originally Posted by Perp
Slavery is actually the only reason we have rock and roll today, and I definatly think slavery is overrated...
Yes, and white people would never have heard black music had it not been for Elvis bringing it to them, hence my Lawrence Welk remark. Remember, segregation was the norm back then.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nochowderforyou
i dont think elvis was overrated. he did something that had not yet been done in popular music. Elvis is the original rock-star.
I would have never thought, I would have seen Tool,Nirvana, Pinkfloyd, AC/DC, Elvis!, Johnny Cash?, and a couple other bands on this list. I could educate a bit but its not worthit, put on some HateBreed or Soulfly and OVER SMOKE THE GOVERNMENT.:pimp: :pimp: :pimp: :thumbsup: I hope you dont poisin your minds with pointless propaganda(ie. Brittney, Anna Nicole, Bush, etc.) Just remember in most of their minds you are terrorist because you smoke weed and try to live free. And support our troops they are the true fighters, Most are not over their cause they wanto be their there cause its their job, and bussiness is always dirty for fighter.:apachecopter: :s4: :Tomcat: :stupid:
Dude Chuckberry is bad ass but Elvis was around way before him, Elvis was around befor the War in Germany, Remeber he gave up his carrerr for a while to go fight, could you imagine if your a soldier fighting in Bagdad side by side with Justin Tiberlake Or Snoop Dogg or who ever you listen too. And he would give away his monthly paycheck to his boys in arms in germany, he didnt need the money I know people from back in the day who said the party and good time was always on Elvis.:pimp: :pimp: :pimp: :chainsaw: :vader1: :trooper:Quote:
Originally Posted by Nochowderforyou
Stop smoking PCP.Quote:
Originally Posted by MadSativa
PCP? Why would you say? Dude do you even know what PCP does to you?:pimp: :pimp:
Your post made no sense, I mean it almost did, but somewhere in the middle it seemed like you started vomitting violently.
i suppose it could be a matter of opinion, but you definitely need to LISTEN to pink floyd. "money" and "wish you were here" are not trippy, and i am assuming that that is the kind of pink floyd you have listened to. listen to some interstellar overdrive. listen to the piper at the gates of dawn. listen to that shit when you're stoned and you tell me that pink floyd isn't trippy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Metaphor
watch pink floyd live at pompeii too.
the thing is, pink floyd isn't even one of my favorite bands, i'm not saying this to defend pink floyd, i'm telling you to get your facts straight. give their good music a fricking chance before you tell me that they're overrated.
Well......I got this far ^ before I felt compelled to comment on Metaphor's mindless dribble. I'm sure this is probably before your time and most likely WAY over your head, but if you are really searching for music (and lyrics) that "actually makes you think to understand and relate to" and is not "blantly obvious that a 4 year old could understand them", then I would respectfully recommend you reconsider your comments regarding Pink Floyd. The below is taken from a site that provides backround/history/information/thoughts regarding Pink Floyds' "Animals" albumn/cd. And if you haven't smoked a fatty....closed your eyes....and NOT found Animals "trippy" enough for you, then sir.......you don't know what "trippy" is and in fact....have probably never actually tripped. Good day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Metaphor
"Pink Floyd is most recognized for their biggest commercial successes, 1973â??s Dark Side of the Moon and 1979â??s The Wall. Though between these, two other albums were released. The first was 1975â??s Wish You Were Here, a laid back album dedicated to former bandleader Syd Barrett (who's mental deterioration from by excessive LSD use in the 60â??s was responsible for his inability to perform). But lost somewhere in their long list of landmark albums is 1977â??s "Animals" which has been called "the forgotten album". Like many Floyd albums, Animals contains a theme thatâ??s clear in concept and vast in execution. It was their response to Englandâ??s huge anti-progressive rock punk phenomenon lead by Johnny Rotten of The Sex Pistols. This was the first album where the power started shifting toward bassist and lyricist Roger Waters which would ultimately lead to Waterâ??s departure in 1983. While making the album Waters even said, "the idea of power I find rather appealing in a strange way."
Waters was partly inspired by George Orwellâ??s political fable Animal Farm in which people are divided up into groups represented by animals. While Orwell was focusing on Communism, Roger was criticizing his own Capitalist government. In Floydâ??s version the people are either Dogs, Pigs, or Sheep. The pigs are tyrannical, self-righteous hypocrites forcing their beliefs on the dogs and sheep; the dogs are greedy money-grubbing cutthroats; and the sheep are the mindless followers who are used and abused by the others. The albumâ??s cover-art depicts a large pig floating over the popular London historical landmark the Battersea Power Station. The station, which is considered a decaying symbol of modern age, was on itâ??s 50th anniversary when the album was released. Instead of saving money by using trick photography they constructed a giant 40-foot inflatable pig and floated it over the huge power plant".
giant pigs are trippy, see?
^ Shallow......very shallow. If that's all you got out of the post....then ...well.....nevermind.
******shakes his head in amazement*****
Then chuckles.
you and mirvana,Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh F Yeah
i want both of you to know that ive heard piper at the gates of dawn, "interstellar overdrive", meddle, animals, saucerful of secrets and yeah. i listened to them, with my eyes closed, (gasp) and i find them mildly vaguely trippy, if that.
i dont consider that tippy at all lol. if you wanna hear real trippy music. why dont you get out of the 70's. theres only a few bands of that era that i have respect for, mainly only "Can". Do you not think can is trippier than floyd??? perhaps you should go download Tango Mango by them. not trippy enough for you?
maybe you should step foward in time to the 1992 and get a copy if Loveless by My Bloody Valentine, that is some true psychedelic music. Or maybe you should get some Explosions in the Sky, its similar to your precious floyd, witout words its 100x trippier.
Godspeed You Black Emperor!, Boards of canada, Heavy Vegetable, Velvet Acid Christ. i could ramble for days. on only the truest psychedelic bands. so please, dont tell me i dont know what psychedelic rock is. Your Brainwashed. I bet you hate all the popular music nowadays right? well wtf do you think classic rock was, it was fukin pop music of the 70's. The fans flocked to woodstock just like they flock to warped tour. so why is classic rock soo good? Ooh yeah, its old. that must be it.
on a side note, ive tripped on quite a few substances quite a few times. more than enough times. and i will again.
acdc, and whenever it happened, the baja men
you think AC/DC is overrated? wow man, that surprises me.
question~ are you old enough to drink? and if you are , have you never heard 'if you want blood' at the bar around 1:30 when everyone is good and wasted?
ive sported a giant acdc sticker on the rear windshield of my car since high school.
it will never be removed.
fuckin thunderstruck!
T-N-T DI-NO-MITE
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Originally Posted by Metaphor
It's all good! Not stuck in the 70's.......just started there. Have traveled many roads and seen many things. I love all music and believe it or not, enjoy much (okay...some) of what my 15yo and 26yo daughter enjoys. Much of it will not stand the test of time, but it's all good because much of what I enjoyed "back in the day" didn't either (***gasp***Ted Nugent, Robin Trower, Styx, 38 Special, etc.). I consider myself well-rounded with some of my favorite current rock being Audioslave, Seether, 3 Doors Down, Evansblue, etc. It may be kind of "popish" for your tastes, but hey...I don't trip much anymore. lol All I was trying to convey, I guess, was ease up a bit on your bashing. I may not have the same respect for what....Velvet Acid Christ?.....but I DO respect your right to love them.
And to answer the question originally posted......I think LIVE has to be my pick for overrated. Yeah, I know they are not THAT big, but I swear....they would come out with a decent song that would get some air play and sound pretty good. I would go out and buy the cd just to find that was the ONLY song that was worth a shit. They caught me like that twice that I can remember. NEVER AGAIN! My disdain for LIVE is equaled only by my loathing for the acting of Lou Diamond Phillips!
lmao
Peace and love. Peace and love!
Sorry brother i didn't mean to insult you personally ,yes i was drunk when i posted which is no excuse ,i am as sensitive as a a brick but when pink floyd is mentioned i become quite irate as they are my favourite band and i would like to apologise to you ,mods , and every member on cann'.com for my behaviour.Quote:
Originally Posted by Its a Plant
the beatels followed by tool!!
to sat pink floyd are washed up is a very sad thing to say,lets get real the most played song all over the usa is imagine by john lennon the most overated individual in historyQuote:
Originally Posted by Metaphor
mattmao ~ just out of curiosity , how old are you ?
I dont know if this has already been said. But I think Greenday is the most over rated band. I loved there music when I was younger (dookie album) but not anymore. They are great in concert though.
Tool, followed closely by Nirvana..
OMG YOU GUYS ARE CRAZY! TOOL is the best band ever!
MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE
How sad. Pink Floyd made precisely two distinct psychedelic records at the beginning of their career, and they are the ones you almost never hear on radio. After that, they transitioned to something far more substantial when Roger Waters took over as a lyricist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Metaphor
Pink Floyd's virtues have little to do with psychedelia, overall (You can call DSOTM, WYWH, Animals, The Wall, and The Final Cut psychedelic all you want, but in point of fact, these albums are best understood without even considering any kind of drug element. These are songs about humanity, not some nether realm of hallucinations.)
Pink Floyd is about atmosphere, intelligent lyrics, and musicianship. I first experienced Pink Floyd long before I tried any kind of intoxicant and I feel bad for people who think that that's what they're about or that's what they're good for. More people miss the true beauty of Pink Floyd specifically because they've been preconditioned to listen to them as part of a drug experience (Not that I'm hostile to doing that, but more people have completely missed the point of Pink Floyd's lyrics because of their association with drug culture, than just about any other band).
Dark Side of the Moon is one of the greatest, if not the greatest, popular music commentary on 20th Century human existence. If you missed that, I just feel bad for you, and I don't mean that in an insulting way.
People are always looking into Pink Floyd for some kind of psychedelic meaning - and how sad because the truth of Pink Floyd at their best, has nothing to do with drugs, and everything to do with being a human being on this earth.
Religion, birth, death, war, absence, insanity, fatherlessness, capitalism, time, money...Pink Floyd is about us, in the here and now. The timelessness and universality of their lyrics suggest they will be relevant a hundred years from now, which is more than I can say for most bands.
For people who don't get Pink Floyd, all I can suggest is, put down the bong, and listen - really listen. Read and consider the lyrics if you like. Listen to the arrangements, the surprisingly ordered, watercolor landscapes painted by the band (especially in the studio). Think about how you feel about the world, and whether or not the band is talking about *you*.
They probably are. Because they're talking about all of us.
The press and stoners have always represented PF as psychedelic music - they, themselves, do not consider themselves that way. Don't blame them because the public tries to shove them in a box.
Yeah, this is stuff in their very early career. I do not think Money is trippy at all. It's about...money. Cash. The accumulation of crap. Wish You Were Here is an acoustic folk song about missing someone. I don't see what's trippy in either case.Quote:
Originally Posted by mirvana
Now Interstellar Overdrive and Astronomy Domine, Careful with that Axe Eugene - those are trippy, but they were also made in London in the Swingin' 60s.
Pink Floyd's most substantial output was in the 1970s, and those albums are bitterly serious, and I don't get what they have to do, at all, with drugs or being "trippy" or "psychedelic." In fact, the only overt drug references I can think of offhand are in The Wall, and they seem to be fairly negative.
Animals is about (a) companionship in a cold world (Pigs on the Wing), (b) the emptiness of a consumptive, competitive, capitalist life, and the disposability of workers (Dogs), (c) Obscenity mavens, censorship, and sexual hypocrisy (Pigs-TDO), (d) Workers uprising and revolution (Sheep).Quote:
Originally Posted by Oh F Yeah
None of which, to me, have any kind of psychedelic appeal. These are about the relationship of the human soul to a dehumanized, mechanized culture. Animals is more a punk album than it is a psychedelic one, at least lyrically. Musically, it is a progressive rock album, not a psychedelic one.
I'm not saying that you can't enjoy it while high or dig pigs over power stations as a surreal image, but I am saying that if you approach this record expecting to have some kind of psychedelic experience, you're missing the point. In particular the blistering indictment of late capitalism, in terms of what it does to the human spirit.
Has any one said Hinder yet? Fuck they remind me of nickelback! and i HATE nickelback!!!
:chainsaw:
To say Nirvana is the most over-rated band ever is probobly the biggest shortcut to thinking I have ever heard, Heres why...
1) NIrvana wasnt about the fastest fucking lick or the longest song. All they were was a new-wave punk group who weremanipulated by the general public and bastardized. Contrary to what people think, Kurt Cobain was a very unique songwriter with an untouchable gift for melody. Just because he was a sloppy guitar player, dosent make them a bad band.
2) Dave Grohl was a fantastic drummer. He had perfect timing and could really wail. The perfrect drummer for the band.
3)JUst because they were popular dosent make them over-rated. If that were the case, I'll find you a million people who think Zeppelin, or Floyd are over-rated. AT least Kurt was original and didn't steal, blantantly, other artists materials.
Its important to realize, that behind all the screaming, and sloppy guitar paying, and strange stage behavior was a very passionate musician who had more heart and soul than 90 % of the performers today. Listen to some of their tunes, they are leaps and vounds bettter than ANYTHING out today. And thats just a FACT!. I havent listend to Nirvana in about 5 years, but they were my favorite band at the time, and I still have a huge amount of respect for their input on not only mainstream music, but the business in general. Nirvana were unique, innovative, passionate and fun. They were the guns n roses you could actually like. I don't think they are the grestest band ever, but they sure as hell arent the most overated..not even close.
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As far as who is over-rated or not, most of what I've heard in this thread is really just personal opinion. Time is the real test of whether or not a band is over-rated. The very fact that bands like Pink Floyd, The Beatles, and Led Zeppelin are even being debated here shows that they are not over-rated.
They may not appeal to your personal tastes but the fact remains that they are hugely popular 20-40 years after they made their last recording. That really says something.
Who will be talking about Tool in 30 years? Or Nirvana? We'll have to wait and see. I personnaly don't think anyone will but maybe that's just due to my personal tastes. I'm old enough to remember though, when everyone thought bands like Ratt and Whitesnake were the greatest thing since sliced bread. And where are they now?
i think tool is pretty overrated. i used to listen to them in high school. they arent bad or anything, just very overrated. i see a tool shirt everyday.
modest mouse is overrated. they were good when they werent popular..and im not sayign that just because they are popular. listen to their older stuff and you be the judge.
metallica is overrated soooo much. st anger is a buttwipe. bring me back to and justice for all and ill change my mind.
i could go on and on.
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Originally Posted by Fengzi
nirvana ended in 94 and 13 years later i still hear them on the radio. i think theyll be talked about for a looooong time now.
Maybe, but my personal feeling is that it has a lot more to do with the fact that Cobain ate a shotgun than the music. Not that I don't like some of Nirvana's stuff, and they certainly were very influential. But just look at Pearl Jam; at the time they were as big, if not bigger than Nirvana. Now they're pretty much considered has beens. Certainly they don't have the status that Nirvana does.Quote:
Originally Posted by halfassedjediknight
It would be interesting to see what would have happened if Cobain was still around. What if it was James Hetfield who took his head off instead of Cabain? Would Nirvana still be putting out good music, or would they be putting out their own version of "St Anger"? Hell, even when In Utero came out people were already starting to say they were going downhill. It does make you wonder. One way or another, it can't be argued that dieing a spectacular death doesn't help record sales.
This has nothing to do with personal feelings or bullshit, Over rating a band has nothing to do about how your feel about there music.
I dont care much for millions of bands but i can still recognize there achievements. Just becuase alot of people over rate pinkfloyd and find them to be gods doesnt mean they are over rated.
Pink floyd and the beatles is just a very good example becuase alot of people like them now decades later. But its not the point who likes them and how many ppeople do and what the people are like who like them. Its strickly on how they manipulate their forms of music into the industry. Pink floyd and the beatles have every right to be rated highly, if u cared to look into music and how people influence it, u will see millions of bands are influence on these two.
Shut up if you dont like the music or the people who like the music. Its not your place to say there overrated, esp when they have done more for music then most shitty bands you probably like and hold higher.
This has nothing to do with personal feelings, what makes a band good is not who listens to it, its how the band effects the music.
The doors, the beatles, pinkfloyd, bob marley, elvis, jimi H.
they all changed music, who gives a fuck what people think, there in my book becuase of what they have done for music, not how people like them or dislike them.
You cannot over rate a band who has done so much for the music industry, even if people are extremely over ecstatic about them.
If you dont think pink floyd is psyh. rock, ur living under a fuckin rock.
So is Elvis influencial to music because he mimiced and to an extent plagerized the style off black blue musicians? If there wasn't a racial parity in those days, would you even have heard of Elvis? Probably not.
Just because a band is popular doesn't mean it has an impact on music. Are you saying Britney is making waves with music? Absolutely not.
I'm not trying to discredit great musicians and bands such as Bob Marley, Pink Floyd, Jimmy, The Doors, or The Beatles. They each were popular for a reason, each were damn good and their sound has mass appeal to people.
However, all I read is you trying to equate influence with popularity. That could be further from the truth.
Each artist, has multiple influences that derive from both popular and obscure music. It's unfair to say only the popular bands have the most impact.
What about guys who never had commercial success, but later won critical acclaim for their impact on music, even spawning separate genres? You heard of The Velvet Underground, the godfather of multiple genres of rock? Or Brian Eno, who is considered the godfather is not only electronica, but new wave, and glam rock? Just because a band never had commercial success doesn't mean their impact on music was any less than The Beatles or Jimmy.