Proof the bible is true

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Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity

"good morning ms. reb, we're going door to door in your neighborhood this morning to let everyone here know about the lord's plan for you and all of his children. have you heard the word of the lord?"


"what?! you don't have a personal relationship with jesus? well, i'm here to tell you that jesus loves you and that our lord and saviour, who died on the cross for your sins, awaits your return to his loving embrace. his is a pure and...."


"what!? no! jesus is not some greasy perv just trying to get in your pants! please, put down that bat. HELP! HHHEEELLLPPP...."




....as sirens rise in the distance and blood seeps into the dust we say farewell to another blessed soul, who's missionary zeal has led him to an untimely end.

this must mean there is a god

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you high?

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Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity

it's the fantasy we all have concerning those jw's and such that awaken us from our drunken saturday morning haze. i've never gone through with it, but i have invited them in for a beer. no takers yet.

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I'd take you up on the beer.
It would help keep my mouth moist from the joint we'd smoke on the kitchen table while preaching the LORD to you. :pimp:

first question.... was this a serious thread, like honestly, belive this or i feel sorry for you...

second, not a question more a statement, if u think that reading some BS crap is going to make people believe in something your highly highly retarded.

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

I'd take you up on the beer.
It would help keep my mouth moist from the joint we'd smoke on the kitchen table while preaching the LORD to you. :pimp:

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pimp it daddy!! :D

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Originally Posted by Pass That Shit

I'd take you up on the beer.
It would help keep my mouth moist from the joint we'd smoke on the kitchen table while preaching the LORD to you. :pimp:

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i'd take you up on the joint, but jesus is a hard sell in my household.;)

back when i was working graveyard shifts i did invite them i from time to time. bleary eyed, in my robe and slippers with a beer in one hand and a silly grin plastered on my face. i used to love discussions with folks like that, but i just don't have the patience for it now.

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Originally Posted by JackdaWack

first question.... was this a serious thread....

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for a while i was petitioning for people to ignore this damn thing, but now it's become mildly amusing and i might just have to revisit it from time to time.

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Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity

for a while i was petitioning for people to ignore this damn thing, but now it's become mildly amusing and i might just have to revisit it from time to time.

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You just summed up my entire reason for being in here, i mean i honestly dont mind people preachin at all, but dont cross that line where u sound mildly retarded.

dumb

drivin' for jesus
drivin' for jesus
makin' all the lights

i belive in a God a higher entity that i believe is the creator. but i just think he has us like little toys like the movie constantine "Gods just a kid with an ant farm" why did he allow sin to take place? everyone wants proof that he exists, God doesnt have to prove himself to you. he sent jesus and nobody believed him then why would you now? jesus would have suffered (because he is not dead) in vain if he had to keep tryng to prove himself to you. God is not human u shouldnt give him human characteristics he doesnt need you you need him. i believe in God but i question his motives and methods and i dont agree, but then again im only human and cant understand. but either way i chose my path of evil ways but i fully understand my cosequences. ive been through too much on this earth to suffer more so i can go to heaven. i rather just live this life to the fullest. i agree with those people that say belief in God shouldnt be forced thats not called for. for u to have a choice is all God wants, to believe or not thats what the bible teaches. not for u to be bombarded with pamphlets and brainwashed, he wants you to choose. christianity is not believing in god its much more because satan belives in god does that make him a christian? and for those of you that dont believe in god or atleast some force of good and evil have u never experienced a phenomenon? i have seen angels, and there are demons and evil spirits if they exist can there be no good spirits. have u ever witnessed people possesed? a young woman with no more strength than average hurl a 250 lb wood bench at a pastor 50 feet away in a church? have you fallen from 10 times your height onto concrete(cant remember the exact height but easily that amount and no stiches a scrape) and have a smiling angel carry you down? i have, so for me to say God or good and evil does not exist would truly be ignorant on my part. it may not be for you but look around you some pretty amazing things happen that science may try to explain. but till it happens to you u can justify yourself in your belief because it is your choice noone elses. so threads like these claming "proof" and "ill pray for your soul" are uncalled for when you know youll choose.

thanks but no thanks

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Originally Posted by rebgirl420

I say that you should answer the door naked and act like you dont even notice. I wonder if they would say anything or just turn around and leave?

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Reb if I knocked on your door to talk to you about Jesus and you answered the door naked. I would like to think I'd politely ask you if I should come back later but more than likely I would ask to come in immediately!!!
HA HA....Peace :jointsmile:

I have read every psot on this thread but ive skimmed most of them and i havent seen one person who agrees with toothpick

Im pretty sure everybody but the crazy jesus freaks know that the bible is designed to help people live thiers lives in what christians see has the correct human behavior.

The only rason anyone can say the prophecies (and i use the word loosely) of the bible are true is that they are so vague that they can be interpreted o fit any scenario

I mean u could say that the line "Let there be light" is telling everyone to spark up a fattie.

I feel kinda bad for toothpick for believing this crazy christian BS

But if it makes him happy more power to him...just dont force ur crap down my throat:thumbsup:

Meh...I dont really care if its true or not and im not gonna waste my time reading that website.....(because im lazy :p)

So yea, im getting really tired of these crazy catholics and christians and the like trying to just force their beliefs on you, and not even willing to debate on it, its their way, have faith, and go fuck yourself pretty much. And yea i went to catholic school for about 8 years, and all they try to do that whole time is force fucking religion down your throat (i had to read the bible 3 times). And they wouldnt even help you with academic stuff the important stuff. I mean my conclusion on the bible is probably a collection of people wrote it a bunch of dumb moral stories, and they turned it into a religion based on the book. But i got kicked out of catholic school, for asking too many questions about things in the bible and such. They would never give you an awnser except you have to have faith. Oh yea, i dont remember uh, fuckin dinosaurs in the bible, where the fuck did they come from? I mean shouldnt their have been dinosaurs in like the garden of eden. Or did god just plant fake dinosaur skeletons to test our faith? And plus all this crazy shit happens in the bible tons of miracles and shit. Why doesnt that stuff happen today? Seems like there were miracles every day back then, like a magical fairy land. But hey thats just my opinion, if you believe in the bible and shit and it helps you good for you, just dont force that shit on me, and tell me im going to burn in hell, a place i dont believe in. But yea im not catholic anymore, but im leaning twords Buddhism heh.:rasta:

Walk on water and ill believe the bible is true. If not, feck orf.

It will take more than a website to have me believe some dude lived inside of a whale or a virgin giving birth. Because I also don't believe you can pull a rabbit out of an empty hat.

...and isn't that what Christians are supposed to pride themselves on, anyways? Faith? Believing in something despite any and all evidence pointing opposite? Why do Christians even care about proof?

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Originally Posted by ericwt

Well what I cute little website. Same old evangelical shit, nothing new.

There is no proof of the bible being the truth.

Clearly the author has no clue how the bible was written and the Politics behind what was put in the bible.

Please don't waist your time praying for me. Try doing something nice for someone that needs it.

For your information the rapture is not in the bible.

As I am not a Christan I find it hilarious how so many of you christians do not even understand the history of how the bible was written.

It is even more humorous how some of you have not even read what the bible says. You just take what someone says about it at face value without questioning or learning it for yourself.

Thanks for the laugh.

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and the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not understood it

Go ahead and live a life full of delirium worshiping dumb shit that doesn't exist. Really, go on. Tell me why classical Greek gods such as Zeus and Apollo were completely imaginary and I'll gladly tell you why yours is bullshit as well. There are so many flaws in your belief is it staggering. LET GO OF WHAT YOUR PARENTS/ SCHOOL/ RANDOM PERSON THAT TOOK ADVANTAGE OF YOUR MENTALITY AFTER YOU WENT THROUGH A DIFFICULT TIME IN YOUR LIFE TOLD YOU. IT IS SHIT.



Phew... :hippy:

Well I dont think many will bother to read anything at this site :monsters For me, these examples pretty much show (for me) that the Bible is a concoction of some fine stories, some fine parables, but, also nonsense.

Dont give up your reasoning mind...protect it, cultivate it, and share it to those seeking differnt views.

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Originally Posted by couch-potato

Go ahead and live a life full of delirium worshiping dumb shit that doesn't exist. Really, go on. Tell me why classical Greek gods such as Zeus and Apollo were completely imaginary and I'll gladly tell you why yours is bullshit as well. There are so many flaws in your belief is it staggering. LET GO OF WHAT YOUR PARENTS/ SCHOOL/ RANDOM PERSON THAT TOOK ADVANTAGE OF YOUR MENTALITY AFTER YOU WENT THROUGH A DIFFICULT TIME IN YOUR LIFE TOLD YOU. IT IS SHIT.



Phew... :hippy:

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and you have the answers do you? you know the truth? than tell me. because if you don't know, you can't know that another belief is wrong.


i'm ready for the answer. we all are. the truth is, no body knows for sure. that's the eternal problem. it always will be. we believe different things, we may even think we know, we may believe very strongly, but we haven't seen the other side of this life, and we haven't seen God.

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Originally Posted by PlantBoxer

Well I dont think many will bother to read anything at this site :monsters For me, these examples pretty much show (for me) that the Bible is a concoction of some fine stories, some fine parables, but, also nonsense

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there's a very large problem with this site


the creatures he mentions are taken mostly from greek mythology. the old testament predates that by a large margin. so the meaning of the hebrew word that was used, is not based on greek culture and mythology, but hebrew

you have to think clearly about things here, cause and effect. i have studied some biblical hebrew, and i'll try to find the actual words he mentions. i hope you understand what i'm saying. if you don't, then we can't go on before that is understood

you can't interpret ancient hebrew with classical greek images. and you certainly can't interpret modern english TRANSLATIONS with greek mythology. this is just bad thinking. you've got to use that brain. think hard.

ok, here you go:

satyr: the hebrew word transliterates as "saw-eer" that is a male goat. i'm trying to find how many times it occurs in the tanach (OT, old testament if you will), but i'm having trouble with this program. the strong's number is H8163

cockatrice- hebrew word "tsef-fah". an adder

unicorn: hebrew "reh-ame" a wild bull


i hope you understand. the problem is that the king james bible, the english translation has used these mythological words to translate the hebrew.

the original hebrew authors COULD NOT have been using greek creatures to decribe. you must look at the orginal language

this is just bad logic, and it makes me tired.

the biggest problem with understanding the bible is that everyone does so much throwing sand that things get obscured.

the depth of ignorance and sheer stupidity shown in that website is massive

listen folks, there's a lot going on here, in this book called the bible. to throw it out the window as "fairy tales" is pretty silly. we're talking about 66 books by some 40 authors, with different styles, different histories, different lives, spanning a period of thousands of years.

the reason we have all these books retained throughout the millenia is that they were highly prised as the word of God by the jews, copied with incredible standards, and prized above all else. this is why copies have survived from long ago, in excelent form.


a few things you should know:

1. what books should be in or out of "the bible" is the subject of some debate. for instance, the catholic church uses an extra section of books between the "old" and the "new" testament usually known as the "apocrypha". modern jewish believers do not accept the "new" testament as the word of god, nor jesus to be the meshiac (messiah). the old testament is known as the "tanach". it contains the torah (books of moses, 5), nevviiim (prohets), and the ketuviim (writings); they are also in a different order than used in the protestant or catholic bibles

2. the old testament (i hate the terms "new" and "old", and jews certainly don't consider their tanach to be the "old" testament, but you'll bear with me for consistancy) was written mostly in hebrew. there is also some aramaic. the new testament was written in koine greek, or "common" greek. it was the language of the roman empire and required to be learned by all. this facilitated it's availability as most people knew koine greek as well as their own language. much of th new tetament are letters written to various churches by apostles and other folk

3. ok, so what do we have today? do we have any original manuscripts? the answer is no, we don't. anything written that long ago on papyrus or reeds, or whatever, is long since disintegrated. what we do have is COPIES of the originals, or more likely copies of copies of copies. not translations, copies. there are a number of different texts. for instance, i have two hebrew bibles. one is the biblia hebraice strutgardensia (commonly used version). another is the biblia hebraica leningradensia. that copy was found in leningrad russia, i forget when, but not terribly long ago. you also have something like the dead sea scrolls which was an unbelievable discovery. something to note is that these copies are not identical. what this means, is that one, or more, have errors in them, errors from the original. different bible translations use different texts to translate from, and they also use different styles of translation, from very literal (say NASB, or KJV), to very .........well...flowing and figurative, such as the NIV. and i'm just talking english here. however, it's important to note that thought the copies we have are not identical, they are very close, and the differences generally do not change the meanings of the text, but are very minor. so, either some of these manuscripts have errors, and some do not. there have been folks for example that believe the textus receptus (used for the king james bible) is the accurate one, and the others, such as westcot-and-hort are errorful. people differ


even if you handedly throw out all the miracles and stuff like it, you still have lots of important history in the "bible". these are some incredibly old documents, and there is much that can be learned from them. whether you believe them to accurately show who God is, is up to you.

so, what am i trying to say? simply, there's a lot of thrwing-about of insults and ridicules and claims that the bible is "false" or "ridiculous" or a "bunch of fairy tales". well, open your eyes, and when you do, open the bible, and see for yourself.

even if you think that all the miracles and what-not are fairy tales, there's a lot of other stuff. to take the work of perhaps 66 different people, and throw it out the window just because it is collected into a volume that that has things in it you don't like? that's nuts.

there's a lot of folks saying "don't be taken in, don't be mislead". well, i'll throw the charge back at y'all. don't just believe some website that tells you what to believe or that the bible is a pile of shit. lots of people died because they believed very strongly in this book. you may come to the conclusion that they died for a false belief or beliefs, but the important thing is that you come to your own conclusions.

in the words of a favorite researcher of mine: do your own research, come to YOUR OWN conclusions

good luck y'all ;)

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Originally Posted by bobbygreenbear

and you have the answers do you? you know the truth? than tell me. because if you don't know, you can't know that another belief is wrong.


i'm ready for the answer. we all are. the truth is, no body knows for sure. that's the eternal problem. it always will be. we believe different things, we may even think we know, we may believe very strongly, but we haven't seen the other side of this life, and we haven't seen God.

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I do not need an infinite knowledge of the universe to know that religion if nothing but psychological delusion. I can prove that there is no such thing as a spherical cube, simply because it is impossible for one to exist. Using the same principles I can prove that the God described in the Christian bible cannot exist. The bible has great stories, and Jesus was a cool guy but what the poor book lacks is any actual evidence - which is what matters.

You are taught religious crap since you were sperm. and nothing else and to fear, so naturally you belive the stuff. the good reverand (who's livelyhood depends on your attendance) wouldn't try to deceive you would he/she???

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Originally Posted by ericwt

There is no proof of the bible being the truth.

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There's PLENTY of proof! You just ain't lookin' in the right places! Adam to Elizabeth II Here's God's promise to King David there would be NO END to his throne! http://www.historycentral.com/Mideast/Sixday.gif This picture fulfills what was spoken of the prophet Isaiah in 700 B.C.E. Isaiah;31:5 As BIRDS FLYING,so will the Lord Of Hosts DEFEND Jerusalem! You can also look at Luke;21:24 and Matthew;34:32-36 Then there's hemp of course! http://www.zelfoaustralia.com/images/zelfo_brochure.pdf Ezekiel ;34:29 or how 'bout Micah;2:1,2? http://www.city.west-lafayette.in.us...pic/050805.png which Micah foretold hemp prohibition? Or better yet, http://www.ensignmessage.com/archivesephraim.html AMERICA IN PROPHECY!