first time grower and im stumped

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Originally Posted by barry buds

isnt lowrider a sativa. my plant is showing indica gene's with its wide short leaves.

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ruderalis...I think I spelled that right.

Sativa do not respond as quickly to flowering photoperiod, and ruderalis is what was used to breed lowryders by crossing ruderalis with sativ' and indica'...

Why would you think that a auto-flowering "ditchweed" (ruderalis) would be the same as the long vegging, slow flowering of a sativ'?

that is the problem around here sometimes...people start seeds before they have read the proper amount of grow info.

This is why I am not a big fan of copy/pasting long articles from books to the forums. In my experience most don't read them, finding them too overwhelming. New growers need to read up on cultivation, but about 90% do not, and that is why we have the forum. Sorry aobut the rant, but I can't believe some of the un-educated guesses that members post, when they don't know.

Zandor taught me something early on...If you look at a post and the members are on the right track...let it go. NO need to post. If members have got it right, but have 2-3 other "sketchy" answers, then clarify the correct posting. Then htere are the cases of all the newbs gathering and spreding 1/2 truths aobut growing, and that is when we MOds stick our big NOse in.

Read up on your favorite plant if you plan on continuing to grow it. KNow what you are doing...It will save you and everyone invlolved in teaching you alot of time and misunderstanding. Have a great day LW

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Originally Posted by latewood

ruderalis...I think I spelled that right.

Sativa do not respond as quickly to flowering photoperiod, and ruderalis is what was used to breed lowryders by crossing ruderalis with sativ' and indica'...

Why would you think that a auto-flowering "ditchweed" (ruderalis) would be the same as the long vegging, slow flowering of a sativ'?

that is the problem around here sometimes...people start seeds before they have read the proper amount of grow info.

This is why I am not a big fan of copy/pasting long articles from books to the forums. In my experience most don't read them, finding them too overwhelming. New growers need to read up on cultivation, but about 90% do not, and that is why we have the forum. Sorry aobut the rant, but I can't believe some of the un-educated guesses that members post, when they don't know.

Zandor taught me something early on...If you look at a post and the members are on the right track...let it go. NO need to post. If members have got it right, but have 2-3 other "sketchy" answers, then clarify the correct posting. Then htere are the cases of all the newbs gathering and spreding 1/2 truths aobut growing, and that is when we MOds stick our big NOse in.

Read up on your favorite plant if you plan on continuing to grow it. KNow what you are doing...It will save you and everyone invlolved in teaching you alot of time and misunderstanding. Have a great day LW

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i hope you are not complaining about me becouse i dont think i have done anything wrong. i have stated that i am a first time grower. i have read up on weed and their reaction to different light. that is why i have about 81 watts of flourecent light on them. and as i stated also is that i am growing a bag seed that came from my brother, so i have no idea what i am growing. the only thing i know is that indica's have wide leaves and sativas have long skinny leaves. i never new their was a 3rd species of weed called ruderalis. all i have been doing is asking questions and posting pics.:(

the fert that i am using dont have any potassium. now i know why my plant has'nt been growing really tall like everyone elses, my fert has 24% nitrogen, 8% phosphate, and 16% soluble potash. everyone else recomends to use a fert with 20-20-20. oh and mine has EDTA(chelating agent)(minimum) 1.2% is that good or bad. and thanks latewood for clarifing that i need high potassium not phosphate.

here are some new pics i took today. since i changed the light to 12\12 and she has recovered from being topped in only 4 days and added 3 more flouros she has grown about 4 inches, and the new tips are growing about 1 inch a day.[attachment=o113440]

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haha my fience just came in and pointed to me that i have half her face in the top pic. she gave me a smack

i will post the actual pic so you can see my beautiful fience.

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Originally Posted by barry buds

the fert that i am using dont have any potassium. now i know why my plant has'nt been growing really tall like everyone elses, my fert has 24% nitrogen, 8% phosphate, and 16% soluble potash. everyone else recomends to use a fert with 20-20-20. oh and mine has EDTA(chelating agent)(minimum) 1.2% is that good or bad. and thanks latewood for clarifing that i need high potassium not phosphate.

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you are using the wrong ferts. miracle gro right? wrong stuff, get some green light super bloom, or any other super phosphate... you want lots of phos in flower, with little nitrogen...

GET SOME FLOWER FERTS...and add a tbs of molasses per gl...

love, brooke

ok hold on people i am getting confused. i have a moderator telling me that i need potassium not phosphate. everyone else is telling me to use high phosphate not potassium. who is right and who is wrong. i need an answer becouse i am flowering as you can see from the pics.

i swear to god, babe, you need a high phosphate fert for flower. pot ash is helpful, but a high phos fert will make your buds gro super huge... there's a realy good article in kp's cannabis college, but i don't know where the thread is, and i'm too stoned to search. trust me...

green light's super bloom 12-55-6... or maybe it's 12-55-12 can't remember, but it is the best flower product i've used in the last 10 years...

love, brooke

beautiful fiance....lucky man:thumbsup:

n-p-k

nitrogen-phosphorous-mag/potash(aka potassium)

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Originally Posted by brookerosebud

i swear to god, babe, you need a high phosphate fert for flower. pot ash is helpful, but a high phos fert will make your buds gro super huge... there's a realy good article in kp's cannabis college, but i don't know where the thread is, and i'm too stoned to search. trust me...

green light's super bloom 12-55-6... or maybe it's 12-55-12 can't remember, but it is the best flower product i've used in the last 10 years...

love, brooke

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ok but i dont know if i can find any in this town. i looked everywhere for HID,MH,HPS lights but cant find any so i went with flouros plus i read that flouros have the best lumen to watt ratio plus they have a much better light spectrum.

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Originally Posted by keeko

beautiful fiance....lucky man:thumbsup:

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thanks dud:jointsmile:

ok, that was my way...

if latewood says to use a high k value, then trust him. not me... i gro goodwith super bloom, but late is one of my mentors and idols. i totally and completely trust him, and you should too.

sorry for my 2 pennies...

brooke

but, if you want super bloom, just go to lowes garden section. i still say it works wonders...

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Originally Posted by brookerosebud

ok, that was my way...

if latewood says to use a high k value, then trust him. not me... i gro goodwith super bloom, but late is one of my mentors and idols. i totally and completely trust him, and you should too.

sorry for my 2 pennies...

brooke

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OK! i guess i will go with the potassium then or should i get something high in both and low in nitrogen. or is nitro needed juring flower.

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Originally Posted by brookerosebud

but, if you want super bloom, just go to lowes garden section. i still say it works wonders...

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we dont have a lowes here i had to get my fert from canadian tire. walmart didnt even have any.

please keep us updated, i realy want to know how the high potassium works for you... i may just change my whole system...

love, brooke

hmmm, any feed and seed should have some form of super phosphate...

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Originally Posted by brookerosebud

hmmm, any feed and seed should have some form of super phosphate...

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canadian tire had 6 different flowering ferts last time i was there. that was about 1 month ago when i started growing and bought my high nitro fert

nitrogen based ferts should be used in veg...

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Originally Posted by brookerosebud

nitrogen based ferts should be used in veg...

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sorry i never had a veg. went from seed to flower in 20 days. i think it was still a seedling.

... that proves that you can go 12-12 from the start. i'm interested in your yeild...

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Originally Posted by brookerosebud

... that proves that you can go 12-12 from the start. i'm interested in your yeild...

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actually what happened is, i started with 16\8 and after 15 days i gradually changed the cycle to 13\11, not knowing that that would trigger early flowering. then i had no choice but to change to 12\12. had 13\11 for 5 days then pistils apeared. i was told to go to 12\12 and flower instead of going back to 16\8 to force veg. now i have about 20 or 30 pistils after 11 days of 12\12.

pix?

sorry, but can you get closer pix? i have trouble sometimes (like when i don't have my contacts in...)

im not expecting a very big yield. mabye an ounce or 2 but what do i now im just a first time grower.

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Originally Posted by brookerosebud

sorry, but can you get closer pix? i have trouble sometimes (like when i don't have my contacts in...)

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i can try. the damn focus isnt working right on my cam. it will get perfact focus then zoom out of focus just as the pic is being taken.

here are some. i circled all the pistils that you can see in the pics.[attachment=o113496]

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if you realy want to kick up the yeild, tie her head down to the side of the pot. all of the side branches will begin to grow like individual plants, and all will have colas ;)

just a suggestion...

love, brooke

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Originally Posted by brookerosebud

if you realy want to kick up the yeild, tie her head down to the side of the pot. all of the side branches will begin to grow like individual plants, and all will have colas ;)

just a suggestion...

love, brooke

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i was thinking about doing that. now i think i will. i will take some pics after i tie it down to see what you think.

what is the best thing to do with the leftovers after harvest. make hash or oil. and how much of the leftovers can you use. i love oil and hash.

finnished. but during the LST'ing process i broke off one of the bottom leaves, i trimmed the branch back with a rasorblade. loosing that leaf wont hurt it to bad will it.[attachment=o113500]

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now i have 6 tips facing upwards. i dont know how well the bottom 2 tips are going to do.

here is a nice pic with a view of 3 of the 4 lights. changing the smaller 13 watt bulbs for 3 more of the big 42 watt bulbs. they put out like 2700 lumen each.[attachment=o113513]

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168 flourecent watts equal 10800 lumen's that should be enough for 1 small plant should'nt it.

the last 2 messages had errors the 42 watt flouro has 3200 lumen. that means that with 4 of those i get 12800 lumen.

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Originally Posted by barry buds

finnished. but during the LST'ing process i broke off one of the bottom leaves, i trimmed the branch back with a rasorblade. loosing that leaf wont hurt it to bad will it.[attachment=o113500]

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Next time this happens don't use a razor blade. A razor makes a clean cut that is harder for the plant to seal off. Next time pinch it before the break enought for it to flop over and just hang there. Later on you can pinch it off the rest of the way. It causes less stres to the plant and the plant uses less energy on repairing itself and more on production.;) But your plant should recover.

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Originally Posted by Chronic Chrissy

Next time this happens don't use a razor blade. A razor makes a clean cut that is harder for the plant to seal off. Next time pinch it before the break enought for it to flop over and just hang there. Later on you can pinch it off the rest of the way. It causes less stres to the plant and the plant uses less energy on repairing itself and more on production.;) But your plant should recover.

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thanks for the tip. their is still enough there that i can still pinch the tip if the branch.