Weed not being addictive is a myth

ive smoked alot and had to quit. i did it cold turkey, no cheating. it was hard, really hard. at the time it was who i was, my name is High and found out the meaning. imo the best time of my life but i can hardly remember SHIT from it. feels like so long ago, havent recalled many events scince they happened so not much stuck, bummer. (off track DANM im rarely this stoned!!)
once you stop from alot of bud you feel this weight or veil being released and this feeling is like reverse stoned, actually feels ok.
i got though it and wasnt tempted for a few years. once i got my gf to smoke some bowls i ended up starting again, a supposed risk at the time. all lies.
i noticed no negative change, but im not a pussy and i can handle my emotions and urges. i know alot, maybe all, would feel something different.

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Originally Posted by Halcy0n

It is too a physical addiction! It also causes cancer and makes you infertile. Get your facts straight man.

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There is no evidence it causes cancer... some studies suggest it helps prevent cancer. As for making you infertile... ciggs do that, but have never heard of weed doing it.

I had finally ended this so I could go to bed and than you had to post that.

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Originally Posted by Billionfold

We all know that, Professor LIP. You keep insisting it isn't addictive. Cannabis IS psychologically addictive. Speaking of maturity, how are those nice plants doing that you posted months ago? Some of you're posts reek so bad of bullshit that the only reason I don't call you out on it, is because I'll turn around and actually see a post of yours worth reading.

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prove it :p


ahhhh fuck it, i'm sick of this, i'm gonna check out the sexuality forum :)

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Originally Posted by Billionfold

We all know that, Professor LIP. You keep insisting it isn't addictive. Cannabis IS psychologically addictive. Speaking of maturity, how are those nice plants doing that you posted months ago? Some of you're posts reek so bad of bullshit that the only reason I don't call you out on it, is because I'll turn around and actually see a post of yours worth reading.

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What ones? I've only posted pics of one grow, and that was last year.

I DO NOT claim to know everything about weed, i know my fair share and thats it.

Cannabis is habbit forming if anything, not addictive.

And what does posting pics of some lowryders have to do with maturity? Nothing what so ever.

If you dont like what i post, put me in your ignore list, because it doesnt bother me.

Your only what, 15? 16 at the most. Yet you act like your older, and it's more than obvious, and its fucking annoying too.

You may not like what i post, but that doesnt make it bullshit.

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Originally Posted by Billionfold

Prove it isn't. :jointsmile:

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2 words: Habbit Forming.

Aww... Let's all just roll up a big fatty and pass it around.

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Originally Posted by Billionfold

I don't want to have a flame war with you LIP, but a good amount of your posts get under my skin. I'm willing to shake and get over it if you are.

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Well, alright then, i will.

But only if you stop trying to provoke me, which in reality is what your doing by calling me "professor LIP" when you know i dont claim to know everything.

If you dont like some of my posts, just dont read them. That's what i do with some of yours that get on my tits.

ok, LIP, BF return to your respective corners, and let it go... shit...

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Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho

ok, LIP, BF return to your respective corners, and let it go... shit...

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Why, we've agreed to let it go now and get on with life.

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Originally Posted by Billionfold

Some things I can ignore, and some things I can't. I'll call people out if I suspect bull. If you take it as a provocation then I'm all about settling shit on MSN. No need to do it on the boards.

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I take you calling me stuff like "professor LIP" as provocation.

That's it.

If you want to talk about it, then i'll add you, but i dont really see the point, we've agreed to leave it now.

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Originally Posted by Billionfold

I mean for future reference, if we get into an argument it'd be wise to take it off the boards.

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Oh right, got ya. Ignore my above post's edit.

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Originally Posted by Billionfold

Prove it isn't. :jointsmile:

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i am proof

i stopped without a second thought, just like that, no withdrawel symptoms, no cravings for a smoke, no crankiness, insomnia yeah but i had that before i started smoking in the first place, and yeah at times when i'm really stressed or pissed of i'd be like "man i could do with a joint" but that doesnt mean i go out and buy some or get stoned with friends that still toke, and it soon passes anyways.

and for the record just so you understand here...

i... smoked.... everyday.... for.... 6 years.... smokin about an ounce a week, how old were u 6 years ago.... 10?

i point that out just to let you know that allthough i may not grow weed like most around here, i've had alot more experience with it than you, and have been smoking longer than you so should i not be "more addicted" than you are? ;)

that right there is my proof, it is not addictive, but it affects people in other ways when they don't have it

so shut up and smoke, quit tryin to prove something THAT CAN'T BE PROVED!

Peace

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Originally Posted by Billionfold

I'm proof that it is. Stay with me for a couple days after I take a break. You'll notice a slight change in my mood. I'll be a bit cranky and irritable. Cloudy minded, but after about 3 days I'm fine as rain.

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that doesnt prove shit, i can be like that if i don't have breakfast in the morning, or if i have to work late, doesnt mean i'm addicted to that shit

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Originally Posted by Billionfold

But we're not talking about you going through withdrawal are we? Am I you? I don't think so.

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so read the part where i said it affects everyone differently....


if it were addictive we'd all have the same "withdrawel symptons" like people do with cigs

look mate i don't wanna argue, i do actually respect u alot, i'm just sayin it affects everyone differently, if you were addicted, u wouldnt be ok after a few days, u would WANT it all the time, doesnt matter wether its psychological or mental

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Originally Posted by Billionfold

Dude, I'm going to e-slap you in a minute. Physical addiction is where your body CRAVES it. Mental addiction is where you only think you need it, but after a couple days you're fine. Read it up before I e-slap you with my e-glove.

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lol.... you e-slapper

i dont care what anyone says.... me personally was not and never was addicted to weed in anyway

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Originally Posted by Billionfold

I'm not saying you was or ever will be. I'm just saying that it does happen to some people. Do we agree on this?

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lol fuck it i'll agree just to stop arguing

dude id give up now since you cant really "prove" to any of us on this forum since all of us know its not phyically addictive from PERSONAL EXPERIENCES

After I harvest my buds I have a hard time keeping out of my stash. But if the stash goes empty before my next harvest, I get over it quickly and it really doesn't bother me.

When I have it I can't stop. When I don't have it it's no big deal. The same thing is true of chocolate chip cookies.

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Originally Posted by Halcy0n

After reading a lot of posts on this forum, I've noticed that a lot of you seem to have the false idea in your head that weed isn't addictive. I don't know if you've been lied to or are just kidding yourselves. It's been proven scientifically and by my own experience that it's both physically and psychologically addictive.

When quitting smoking after I've been smoking daily I have insomnia, loss of appetite, and irritability for a couple of days. The insomnia often lasts much longer.

Of course this is nothing when compared with withdrawals from other substances, but this doesn't mean that weed isn't addictive.

If you would like me to find the research I can, but you all should know how to use google.

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It's been proven scientifically? Care to provide a link to this "proof"? :)

To some people, it may be addicting, but after 7yrs of smoking, I quit sometimes for a week at a time with no problems.

So if you some proof, I'll read, but until you do, you can't say it's been proven. If it's been proven, then prove it. :)

hello everyone as i said this morning ive been smoking 4 26 years now growing since 93 i can only go by me and my mates but weed is NOT add...... u will have more trouble coming off the cigs thats why we cant sleep no nicotine.

weed isnt a addictive physically. obviously you felt like telling other people to do the research without doing it yourself. so go ahead, no independent research will tell you it is addictive. id find it myself, but hey , you know how to use google. not much more needs to be said on the subject.

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Originally Posted by CityBoyGoneCountry

When I have it I can't stop. When I don't have it it's no big deal. The same thing is true of chocolate chip cookies.

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that is honestly the perfect way to sum up the addictiveness of weed, i have the same thing.

Like so many things, such as bad reality shows, I agree that marijuana is addictive on some level. Chemically...probably not. We would know about this and more violent crime would be linked to marijuana. However, I don't think any of us should underestimate the power of a psychological addiction. The mind and body exist as one. If any one part suffers, the other suffers as well. Likewise, if any one part is healthy, it is more likely that the other part is also healthy.

That being said, marijuana has both helped and hindered me. I liken it to coffee. Having a cup in the morning boosts my motivation and my productivity increases. Drinking it all day throughout the day steals my sleep and give me a stomach ache. Marijuana relieves stress and I can honestly say that I have a good time smoking it (especially with friends). If I smoke it ALL the time, it's not as fun. But hey, if you smoke all the time, I'm not judging you. I just think balance is important.

wow, 5 pages arguing over semantics.

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Originally Posted by Halcy0n

When quitting smoking after I've been smoking daily I have insomnia, loss of appetite, and irritability for a couple of days. The insomnia often lasts much longer.

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Weed is not physically addictive. For regular, daily users, it can be psychologially addictive but then so can everything else in the world. It has more to do with a change in your daily routine than anything else. The symtoms of "insomnia, loss of appetite, and irritability " would also probably happen to a lot of people with the loss of a job, having a girlfriend or wife suddenly leave them, etc. It's also pretty common for people who move to a different country and experience culture shock. It's not your body, it's your mind that thinks it should be there so your body reacts. Plain and simple.

I had been a regular(1-2 times a day minimum) smoker for about ten years when I took a trip to Thailand. In the past, when I tried to stop or didn't have any I'd get the "insomnia, loss of appetite, and irritability " too. When I went to Thailand, however, I didn't bring any weed and didn't experience any of the symtoms. Why? My guess is that it was because the whole experience was so different from my normal daily routine, that I didn't even think about weed. Sure, there were a few times when I'd think "it would be great if I had a joint now" but it wasn't the "damn, I gotta score a bag" feeling I'd had before.

With a physically addictive substance, like heroin, tobacco, alcohol, etc, it is your body that is telling you that you need it, not your mind. If I was a heroin addict and took a trip to Thailand I'd have either found some there or spent a horribly miserable vacation suffering terribly in my hotel room. Same with cigarettes. It wouldn't matter if my mind was distracted, my body would need the drug.

Just remember, anything can be psychologically addictive. Weed, the company of another person, sex, watching Letterman every night, or a weekly trip to Subway. Once something becomes a signifigant part of your normal routine, and disruption to that routine can cause "withdrawl". Some people are just more susceptible than others. But that doesn't mean weed is any more harmful than pussy. And, I'm sure over the course of history far more people have been killed for pussy than for weed.

make that 5 pages and counting.
i have the feeling that when i get home from work today you folks are still going to be hashing this out

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Originally Posted by Halcy0n

It's been proven scientifically ...
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You know you cant just say that. It isnâ??t the magical key to having a strong argument.
If you want to use science, you must play by sciences rules.
Cite a source

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Originally Posted by Halcy0n

It's been proven scientifically ...
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You know you cant just say that. It isnâ??t the magical key to having a strong argument.
If you want to use science, you must play by sciences rules.
Cite a source


edit--oops. didn'te realize there were 6 pages

I have been smoking for 23 years .I have stoppep many times yes sometimes
but then I do not smoke all day, maybe a couple a night .
compared to othe drugs like coffee & tabacco, well its a breeze .

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Originally Posted by Halcy0n

After reading a lot of posts on this forum, I've noticed that a lot of you seem to have the false idea in your head that weed isn't addictive. I don't know if you've been lied to or are just kidding yourselves. It's been proven scientifically and by my own experience that it's both physically and psychologically addictive.

When quitting smoking after I've been smoking daily I have insomnia, loss of appetite, and irritability for a couple of days. The insomnia often lasts much longer.

Of course this is nothing when compared with withdrawals from other substances, but this doesn't mean that weed isn't addictive.

If you would like me to find the research I can, but you all should know how to use google.

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you sir....offend me.
weed has been PROVEN to be only mildly psychologically addictive, that is, less than 9% of the people who smoke weed EVER become addicted to it.
sleep is contolled by the mind, appetite is contoled by the mind and irritability....in the fucking mind.
theres nothing physical about it.
i suggest you study harder, dumbass

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Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity

wow, 5 pages arguing over semantics.

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Hasn't it already been clerified though as to what the definition of psychological addiction is. I don't know, I have stopped reading this closely, so people may still be arguing over semantics. Either way I can't talk, because I made like 20 posts when this topic certainly was that.

Even if it is psychologically addictive, it CAN'T kill me. It's a plant, damn government putting concepts in people's minds and associating it with other deadly drugs. LEGALIZE IT! :stoned:

I say this a lot, but wow, I can't wait till i move to the Netherlands.

Bullshit. I'm a heavy user and when I don't have weed I'm fine. It's only addictive in the way that weed can repress depression, anxiety and insomnia and when you don't have it all of these things can kick back in.

Stop acting like you know what you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by delusionsofNORMALity

make that 5 pages and counting.
i have the feeling that when i get home from work today you folks are still going to be hashing this out

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HASH!!! Anyways I don't really think it is psychologically addicting. At one point I did, when i first started I smoked pretty much everyday for 2 months and quit for a week....My mood was uncontrolable and I went into mania. Of course I realize I was using weed more as medicine and stopping any medication so abruptley is mostly certain to cause negative effects. And most people I know may crave weed, but it's only because they like it, it's not because they need it.

Can we just call it habbit forming in a VERY small minority. Then can we just leave it at that, it's getting boring now guys, we've discussed, we've insulted and we've argued, but at the end of the day, it's not physically addictive, only habbit forming.
End of.

Tbh no more needs to be put.

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Originally Posted by Halcy0n

I would consider all of those to be physical effects. Anyway the terminology doesn't matter, the fact is that it is addictive.

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Ummm, yes terminology DOES matter. Weed is no more addicting than anything else that's enjoyable.

Don't believe me about the cancer thing huh?

http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html

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Marijuana abuse also has the potential to promote cancer of the lungs and other parts of the respiratory tract because it contains irritants and carcinogens. In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50 to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke. It also induces high levels of an enzyme that converts certain hydrocarbons into their carcinogenic form—levels that may accelerate the changes that ultimately produce malignant cells. Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which increases the lungs' exposure to carcinogenic smoke. These facts suggest that, puff for puff, smoking marijuana may be more harmful to the lungs than smoking tobacco.

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I love getting a healthy dose of carcinogens every morning.

While we're at it, let's take a look at some more bad things marijuana does to you.

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Some of marijuana's adverse health effects may occur because THC impairs the immune system's ability to fight disease. In laboratory experiments that exposed animal and human cells to THC or other marijuana ingredients, the normal disease-preventing reactions of many of the key types of immune cells were inhibited. In other studies, mice exposed to THC or related substances were more likely than unexposed mice to develop bacterial infections and tumors.

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Doesn't suprise me.

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Research clearly demonstrates that marijuana has the potential to cause problems in daily life or make a person's existing problems worse. Depression, anxiety, and personality disturbances have been associated with chronic marijuana use. Because marijuana compromises the ability to learn and remember information, the more a person uses marijuana the more he or she is likely to fall behind in accumulating intellectual, job, or social skills. Moreover, research has shown that marijuana’s adverse impact on memory and learning can last for days or weeks after the acute effects of the drug wear off

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You're all going to end up retarded one day.

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Originally Posted by LIP

Can we just call it habbit forming in a VERY small minority. Then can we just leave it at that, it's getting boring now guys, we've discussed, we've insulted and we've argued, but at the end of the day, it's not physically addictive, only habbit forming.
End of.

Tbh no more needs to be put.

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No. It is both physically and mentally addictive for EVERYONE. Stop spreading lies.

Once you pop, you just can't stop.

Someone hates marijuana :P

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Originally Posted by Halcy0n

Don't believe me about the cancer thing huh?

http://www.nida.nih.gov/Infofacts/marijuana.html



I love getting a healthy dose of carcinogens every morning.

While we're at it, let's take a look at some more bad things marijuana does to you.



Doesn't suprise me.



You're all going to end up retarded one day.

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Your really starting to get on my wick. I dont belive any of the stuff you've posted, and those links are bullshit 100%.

Cannabis has been proving to control some cancers [ie stop them spreading]

It could even BE a cancer cure, but there is no link between extremly heavy cannabis use over a long period of time and any form of cancer, including lung cancer.

Infact it kills free radicals, and this is proven.

That link is bullshit, another load properganda.

We dont want that, we want fact.

So give the full story.

The carcinogens have no link to cancer, and if tyou blow out your hit after 3 seconds [a natural breath] allmost all the carcinogens are exhaled.

So dont bother posting your bullshit anymore, none of us want to read it, concidering WE know the truth about it.

Your a silly little idiot, you think what you like. You cant come on here and try and stop us smoking weed... the stuff is nearly 100% harmless... face it, youe wrong were like... if you dont like it fuck right off!

Leave, we dont want little pricks like you on this site trying to tell us how bad a plant is.. dont be stupid, we all know the truth.

Maybe you should accept it.

Or do wht i keep saying and leave for good.