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yeah, once theyre looking dry. my understanding is that the beads of fluid works as a magnifing glass on the plants leaves. im not a hundred % shure though,

Yeah, read the same exact thing santacruz. These ladies are about 12 inches tall, still in 100MMsquared pots, I need to transplant ASAP. Once they are healthy they are going into three gallon pots, and then once they settle into their new big homes I will switch over to 12.12
Very exciting!

Ladies are getting too big for the small pots. Clones look better today, seems like the calcium diff. is giving in a bit but still some slight curling of the leaves. I will take pictures and post them later today, I want to transplant today and switch to 12.12 but maybe I should wait until they are completely healthy? They look alot better, still some very slight curling though. What do you guys think? Pictures to come later on... any advice or experience is appreciated. Feel like it's relatively urgent that the ladies be put into bigger pots, but as I already said I am afraid I'm making a mistake stressing them when they aren't 100% healthy right now. Thanks!

Also wanted to add one last note that might aid you guys in giving me experience. The orange/brown spots are still on the leaves, should those disappear if the problem is completely solved? Does not appear to be spreading at all, and growth was super stunted when the calcium problem first popped up, they appear to be growing just fine though now. Is the problem solved?

Pictures... see the orange spots... should those dissapear if the plant as enough calcium now or maybe it will take a few days? Do these look healthy enough to throw into the 3 gallon pots?

yeah, i would transplant them. as for the spots on the leaves, those will like be there from now on but you shouldnt see any on new growth or any were else for that matter if your feeding them right. those plants are looking healthy:smokin: i would switch them to 12/12 as soon as they get out of shock from the transplant. still waiting on an email from you... SC

Razz...

the spots will go away when you transplant.. it is very hard to diagnoise plants in such small containers.. many growers over diagnoise and over treat their plants... once you transplant they will be GREAT..

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Sweet, yeah I think they need a bigger home, and they will receive it shortly! I am going to get them transplanted within a day or so. Problem is I only have one veg light, which means really once I transplant they have to go to 12.12 because I am going to need to run both 1000 watt lamps to cover the space they take up. I am super low on cash so I really didn't want to buy another veg light. Will they adjust okay if I flip them to 12.12 right upon transplant? Might be a little stressful for them I am thinking. I do have two HPS bulbs, and I *believe*, could be wrong, but they will still continue to veg quite nicely under the HPS, especialy if it's only a few days, right? Just throwing that out there as an idea, what you guys think? Thanks for all the help gang, such a great community happening here and we should never take it for granted.

Check your mail cruz.

Rut-row...hope this isn't a problem. My second ballast is an HPS only, and I thought I got the switchable, however I never opened it until it was needed. One ballast is switch-able and one isn't... would it harm the plants if I transplant, and have half of them under HPS instead of HID? Then once they adjust to the transplant 1-3 days later, switch them to 12. 12
Any other ideas? Sorry for being such a newbie here!

They will be fine with those light sittuations.
Keep up the good work and think about getting some Cal Mag so you don't run into any more defs.
Adieu

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You want HPS running both through veg and flower anyway, just no MH during flowering.

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Razzkazz... you can veg. with hps no problem. that is what i would say 75% of growers veg with when using HID lights. If you have one switchable balast I can let you barrow a MH 1000w bulb that is still in prime condition. i would only put them in veg for about a week or two after you transplant. contact me if you want to work something out. SC

Well, I have one switchable that currently has a MH bulb in it, and as it turns out I think the other ballast is switch-able as well. To be honest with you I never even opened the thing prior to last night. When I saw HPS written on the top I assumed it was only HPS, but then I see a switch at the bottom. So, I think I am okay. With reguards to ventlation I only have a closed circuit set up, that is pulling cool air from outside, through the lights and pushing it into the attic. I hope to buy a carbon filter real shortly and set up the ventilation for the room itself. But in the meantime if I was going to start flowering in the next few days, I could always just make it an open circuit that will bring fresh air into the room. This way I could close off the entire room, so they get complete darkness when the dark cycle is on. For now we keep the door open during the day to get fresh air in there, obviously that won't work during flowering. Then the hoods would not be air cooled (only for a few days until I can afford other things I need) so they would need to be a little higher than they are now. Do you guys think this is my best option? I plan to veg for a few days once they get transplanted, but unfortunately I won't be able to afford the carbon filter *j8st* yet. So this was my idea for a possible solution that can buy me a little time.

P.S Cruz, I sent you an email. Don't plan to veg for even another full week after the transplant, they are getting big real quick, I don't want monsters on my hands for my first time! Adios!

If I don't borrow a MH from a buddy, its okay to have half the plants under HPS and half under MH? It will only be for a few days until I start flowering. Just don't want to flower when they are in stress from transplant.

Some growers actually preffer half MH and half HPS. it gives you a wider spectrum of light even though each side of the spectrum is the best for each part of the grow. i emailed you back 2.

After a rather stressful night last night (blew a circuit about three times before figuring out theres absolutely no way to run both lamps off the outlets in the grow room) the plants have been transplanted into three gallon pots.

To add to the stress, apparently something was in my ventilation line, and when the fan went off when the fuse blew, it got into one of the lamps, and then proceeded to melt when the lamp got turned back on. I freaked out and called a buddy, turned out it was wax, and both of us are quite confused about where it came from.

So, for now I have a cord coming from the bathroom under the door of the grow room (real stealth, I know...) I will have to look into other options soon. As for the plants though, alot of them appear quite droopy.

The transplant was done less than 12 hours ago, so I am really really hopeful that most of them bounce back. I immediately gave them water upon transplant and also put some b1 (thrive alive) in the water to help them root. It said on the bottle to soak the roots in b1 and water, but I thought you are never supposed to leave roots exposed to light or anything? I played it safe and just put the reccomended dose in the water prior to watering the plants in their new homes. I will post pictures later, but will this droopy-ness most likely go away? They look super thirsty almost, but I know they can't be, I gave em alot of water.

I did not water to the point of 15% run off (which I was recently reccomended by a friend) but I do know they received enough water to get them through the next few days at least.

What ya guys think? Pictures coming later, hopefully their health improves quickly like it did when I first put them from the cup I received the clones in, into the small starter pots. Anyhow, thanks cannabis.com

Wanted to add, some look alot better than others, so I know it's not a question of them being thirsty... it's the shock they are going through. Let me go ahead and say that I will never start clones out in anything smaller than 3 gallon pots again. I was reccomended by several friends to just start em out in big pots, but the guys at the hydro store talked me out of it. Next time I stick with my original plan and never need to transplant.

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Wanted to add, some look alot better than others, so I know it's not a question of them being thirsty... it's the shock they are going through. Let me go ahead and say that I will never start clones out in anything smaller than 3 gallon pots again. I was reccomended by several friends to just start em out in big pots, but the guys at the hydro store talked me out of it. Next time I stick with my original plan and never need to transplant.

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Sorry to hear you're having problems, I've transplanted 2 times during my grow and so far have not had any problems. As far as a solution to your problem, I would recommend letting them grow for a couple days and hopefully they will recover, however make sure that when you watered you covered all the pot with water, not just around the plant because that is sometimes a common misconception and it could lead to droopy leaves.

they are sexy...razzapiggy

Yeah, I made sure to give the entire pot water, sometimes it even flowed over the brim of the pot. I think they will bounce back after a few days of getting adjusted to their new home. Perhaps I will give em a bit more water tonight to make sure the roots are nice and moist. Thanks for the info Dan! Can anyone else comment on how long they generally take to get past the shock of being transplanted?

about 4 days. sometimes not at all. a day after i transplanted my clones they started growing but i almost always run in to shock during transplant. you only need to water it till the water comes out of the bottom. if your plants are in shock the roots wont be sucking much water up and the soil should stay moist unless you have high temps. I would only water once the top of the soil is dry during this period and only little by little. you want to keep it moist but you dont want your roots sitting in water for a couple days due to the fact they need to breathe. patience is a virtue in growing a successful op.

For sure Cruz, fortunately for me I am using a mix of SunShine#4 and perlite (only 25% perlite) so it breathes extremely well. I am going to leave them alone for about 24 hours, and see how they are doing at that point. Like I said I did not water until the water came out the bottom (need to go buy more trays here in a second) I'll talk to them at the hydro store, I'm about to run off see ya gang!

For future thought, think about getting a rooting powder. I use microrzi, bad spelling, but you can beef up the vitamin B or use something like SuperThrive or Kelp extracts and they will help the plant to take off rather than stop growth do to transplant shock.
Adieu

I used ThriveAlive with B1 in it, but yes I will look into getting SuperThrive for the next time. In all honesty, I think I will take my friends advice and just start them in the three gallon pots next time, then no need to transplant, and no risk of shock. Blue~ when the soil down 2-3 inches gets dry obviously it needs more water. Should I just water them until water comes out the bottom of the pot? I also need to look into salt leaching shortly... this project has cost alot more money than I anticipated, but I hope it's worth it! The plants look like they will make it, but what do I know I am new to this. Some look like they have no shock at all, others look stunted and droopy.. keeping my fingers crossed that in 2-3 days they appear alot better and I will flower right away.

Did you ever get a moisture tester? Probably one of the cheapest things you could have invested in. I think they will bounce back just fine, with the first grow everything can look bigger than it really is.
Personaly I wouldn't start in bigger pots, for one you are giving so much of your light up to pots and soil instead of plant matter and 2, the roots grow stronger IMO once they get a little bound and then get a chance to take off in new potts, I had an artical about it before, but I don't know where it is, but perhaps someone else can give their two cents on it, and in the mean time I will try to dig it up.
Sugar and molassis can help with the salt leaching, but why do you think you need to worry about that now?? It is usually something that you do at the end of flower before harvesting.
Adieu, and don't worry, having all of the extra products ar nice, but not always needed.

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Wanted to add, some look alot better than others, so I know it's not a question of them being thirsty... it's the shock they are going through. Let me go ahead and say that I will never start clones out in anything smaller than 3 gallon pots again. I was reccomended by several friends to just start em out in big pots, but the guys at the hydro store talked me out of it. Next time I stick with my original plan and never need to transplant.

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i think its a bad idea to start in such big pots. the obvious reason is that you risk root rot and other issues that come from the dirt staying to damp for too long. Without roots to take advantage of all that dirt, its going to stay wet for a lot longer then neccessary and its harder to get the roots to search for water. I have never had problems transplanting from 1 gallons to 3 gallons. Sure they are droopy for the first 24 hours but thats totally normal. Never had one die on me and ive transplanted...welll...alot.

although its not an accurate gauge, if I look at all the grows Ive participated in and seen...the best ones were transplanted and not started out in their original containers. The other advantage of transplanting is that your roots get a bunch of nice new and fresh soil and require less flushing.

Thanks for the kind words Blue, you have been a huge help. I am getting the moisture tester within the next few days, I got a hang of the clones in the starter planters, so felt I didn't really need it.

To be honest, I am living pay check to pay check right now, especially with this operation taking place... at times I sign onto my online banking to find not a damn penny in my bank account. So, sometimes things are bought as quickly as they should.

However, I have absolutely been on top of taking care of them, and giving them the best possible living situation I can financially afford.

They actually look a bit less droopy as of late (last few hours) I am hopeful!

Did not know you didn't need to salt leach during veg, the dude at the store told me I should do it pretty soon.

Next on my list : set up a carbon filter, and get these puppies flowering!

Can anyone comment on this. Right now I have a closed circuit (takes cool air from outside, brings it through both 1000 watt lamps and then into the attic) I need an open circuit to ventilate the actual air in the room. What is the technical term for that? Much love and thanks cannabis.com

They look a ton better today! I really need to get these puppies flowering ASAP they are getting large. Will post pictures soon. Can anyone comment on my above post?

Road block:: I can't run both lamps in the room, a friend told me I would be able to when this process began. Now, I know jack shit about electricity, and I currently have a cord coming from the bathroom so that both lights can be done, but nothing can even be added on the bathroom surge protector. Anyone have any resources I can look at online? I am guessing there is no quick fix to this, which creates a problem... my plants are already like 15 inches tall and ready to be flowered... and I leave town in 8 days for a little over a week. What is a brother to do?

i have the same problem razz. My electricity is hooked up through extension chords and i dont have enough power left to run a cell phone charger if i wanted to. this can be a big problem because certified electricians charge alot and un-certified electricians will burn your house down which cost 10x more money. if you cant move to a room that has more amps running to it you might be able to switch the breakers in your fuse box from say 15 amps to 30 amps. this is dangerous because the wires under your house might not be able to bring that much electricity to the room, which is why you need a certified electrician to make shure. if you have house insurance an electrical fire wouldnt be covered unless everything was done with certified electricians.


my 2 cents would be to go to your fuse box, see which breakers are marked with highest amps and find which part of the house those breakers are for. if you need to stay in the room your in you will probably need an electrician or a $100 - 500 extension chord. hope this helps.

Well, taking air out of your room is called an exhaust and bringing it in is called an intake. In my room with 2K right now I just have a Dayton blower as an intake bringing in cool air in from out side and it is working fine, will need to change things around in the summer, but for now it is fine.
Well as far as your light, you can run a heavy duty extension cord to a plug in that is not on the same breaker as your bathroom plugs and you should be fine, for instance, try running a plug from the living room or a hall way plug. Just make sure that the extension cord you get is rated for about 1300W and I would plug it into a power strip because if the light starts to pull to much electric then the power strip will just trip the on and off button and you don't have to get into your breaker box and mess with anything.
Hope this helps.

So, blue... right now I have a closed circuit with cool air coming from outside going through the hoods into the attic. So now I need to set up the exhaust system with the Dayton blower? I was thinking I would get a carbon filter, and with the blower, push the air through the carbon filter and then into the attic as well (great another six inch hole lol) I am open to extension cords, but that is just painfully obvious that you are growing herb in a room when an extension cord goes right in there (I am trying to keep this a secret obviously)

Right now I have an extension cord going from the bathroom into the room (its one of those with a power strip included) I do not believe it's geared up for 1300watts, however it's been working just fine for the last 2-3 days -- I would assume it would continue to? My buddy said it should be able to handle the 1000 watt lamp just fine without risk of fire.

Unfortunately I do need to stay in this room, changes really can't be made for the time being. I wish I knew the room would not be able to handle the two lamps with fans, I would have hired an electrition right off the bat, and put that into my budget, now I have marijauna plants in the room, and lack the budget to do so =(

You can vent into the attic, it will help to suck any unwanted heat out as well as the smell, and some growers just put the carbon filter right in the grow room along with the fan and that works to.
Perhaps you can run a extention coard up into the attic threw another part of the hous and then run it down into the grow room threw the attic??
Good luck.
Adieu

Blue, yeah that's what I am looking into, trying to run a cord through the attic and then into the room...

Now now I have the circuit open, so no air is being pushed directly through the hoods, but my temps seem to be fine.. perhaps I can get away without intake during the winter eh?

Now = right now

remember Razz, the longer the extension cord the more electricity you will be sucking. if your cable is a standard 1250w orange extension cord which has a gage rating at around 16 you will only be able to run one light and one fan or so. if you got a wire from a different location i.e. your power box that had a gage rating of 8 you could probably run your whole setup off of one cord.
it also depends on the length of the distantce or cord. a 16 gage cord under 50 ft will give you ruffly 1650w where a 16 gage cord over 50ft will only give you 1250w. if your stoned like i am you might have to read this twice. hope any info helps.

Thanks for the information santacruz. I'm leaving town on the 18th for nine days, blows because I start to flower tomorrow eeech! I have a friend who will be stopping by the house to make sure all is well but I wish I could be around for this exciting time. I just went to the hydro store to grab some stuff and they told me the easiest fix is to hook up a thirty amp box through the washer and dryer outlet. It sounds like you just put two breaker boxes in between the dryer/washer outlet, and the box is actually in the room. He said I could even step up to four hundred watts in the room with the 30 amp box. Anyone have experience with this? Thanks all!

Quick problem I wanted to post... some slight curling of top leaves... the curling is from the middle and the sides of the leaves curl up into each other... anyone know what the problem is? I had a calcium diff. before, and I'm thinking maybe this is it again? Will cal-mag help all diff's? I will try to post pictures later on.

P.S Problem is on newest plant growth.