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Here's a nice 'lil 12 bucket (soon-to-be) recirculating drip ring setup.
http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=95268
I love the drip rings, bitches take off in those things. I might add an airstone into each bucket too, making each bucket a super hybrid hydro method.
hey weedhound ,
about the extra holes in the top of the waterfarm containers man , w/o them roots will plug up the small holes they poke when orig. from gen. hydro . when this happens everything that drips from the rings will eventually overflow the top container that holds the medium n make a hell of a mess of your room . here is a pic. of 1 of the containers i modified and a pic. of the results . aka "root porn" . :D
wanted to add a cpl. pics of how i went about making my farms recirculate .
at the end of each row of waterfarms i continued on w/ a t- fitting instead of ending the row by using a 90deg. fitting and ran them into a 5 gallon controller type bucket containing a small via. aqua 120 gallon per hr. pump pushing the nutes back into the resovoir via. the line in the center of the controller bucket and bringing fresh nutes back to farms via. gravity refilling the buckets .
in doing so i managed to stabilize the ppm. and p/h so all buckets were = , and also cured my problem w/ the cold resovoir temps by adding a heater in the resovoir .
peace all
crispi :)
Hey Xcrispi, do you think that the growth in the W/F is as vigurous as it was in the DIY DWC buckets? With the modifications you made is it easier to maintaine the W/F system compared to the first set up??
Thanks for checking in with the WaterFarm/DWC club.
Adieu
I put in a waterpump and 1/4" tubing in my waterfarm setup to recirculate the water also.
Question - Is the following being too cautious?
The main res is a little larger than the waterfarm bit still holds about 3-4 gallons of water tops. I put the nutes in the res in stages. Not talking about micro first, wait awhile then add bloom and so on, I do that. But I'm afraid if I put the full amount of micro in first in the ~3.5 gallons of the main res it might be too high a concentrate when it first hits the roots. By the end of the first day all the nutes are in.
hey bluebear ,
i think the growth in the w/f is = to or better than my old DWC buckets .;)
the maintence w/ the waterfarms is sooooo much easier than the old individual 5 gal. DWC buckets . if you look in the pics. w/ the pump bucket , the 2 black outside lines that bring the nutes back into the waterfarms and pump bucket , these lines now have a shut off valve between the first set of farms and the resovior itself , once a day we shut them and turn the pump in the bucket on high and it pulls all nutes out of the waterfarms and pump bucket and puts everything back into the resovior so we can check p/h and ppm once a day in just the 1 container and when done just open the valve n gravity refills everything on it's own . :D
once every 7-10 days we pump everything into the resovior and put a 1000gph wayne submersible pump in the res and run a hose down the floordrain and empty it for nute change , we just top it off w/ p/h'd water between nute changes .
i happend to find someone on ebay w/ the 8 farm set up but w/ the texas controller bradnew and unused for 220.00 delivered and was a private auction? someones mom or significant other musta said NO WAY ??? :mad:
i only use the bottom half of the texas controller / resovior and don't utilize the float valve. the res. , 4 farms , and pump bucket hold like 16 gallons total . we ended up only using 4 of the 8 farms this run until we get all the bugz worked out of it . which i think we have . :)
i'll add pics. of my home made DWC/drip combo buckets in the near future . i think thanks to the ease of the waterfarms the old sys. is retired for good now though . lol
peace
crispi :greenthumb:
Hey Xcrispi, thanks for taking the time to explaine all of that. I am thinking about the W/F 8 pack as well and considering your modifications. I still need to go back and read how you made it into a recerculating set up. Can't remember if you talked about it on this thread or not?
Well, I got so many things going on IMO. I just started a coco run using GH coco coir and I am doing a side by side run with the soil grows to see if the coco will blow it away and par with hydro like they say, along with a few other coco transplants and about 20 plus soil and a couple DWC things cooking as well. They are all mostly test grows with different strains and systems so I can really get down to deciding what system I really want to role with and what strains are the most consistant and desirable for me and my goals and life style.
Adieu
Sounds like a nice setup to me. I think I've got it.
bottom of res -> valve -> farms -> remote bucket -> top of res
Full recirculating. Plus when you turn off the valve, the pump will send ALL liquid back to the res where you can then do a good solid PPM and PH check.
It's almost like a waterfarm/recirculating dwc/flood drain, lol :)
So xcrispi, why havent you added some aero sprinklers you lazy bum? :D hehehee
:pimp:
hey mr. E ,
you got it , exactly. super simple,super effective. DWC / drip , ebb-flo hybrid sys. ? i guess . no aero sprayers yet E , soon tho , but not in this sys. . next project will be a 5 gal. bucket aero cloner so i don't havta keep messin w/ feminised beans . maybe keep a mom in a c-13 - 250 hps. cabinet i don't use anymore . last go at it was in individual self contained buckets n was a p.i.t.a . i'm just the mind behind my grow , mrs. crispi is my hands , i lost all fingers on my right hand and my left is contracted into a fist from an auto related explosion a few years back . i wanted the new sys. to be as easy to take care of as possible as far as up-keep n maintence for her .;)
gotta be good to old girl , been married 16 yrs. today . :)
hey bear ,
yep your a busy bear , i keep up w/ all my fav. ppl. man , latewood , weedhound , brooke , stinky attic , and yourself . hell you got hoes in the attic , in cabinets , dirt , co/co coir . you've got a harrem going on man .
lil side note bear - do you have plans in the future for any blue pups ? mrs. crispi n myself would be seriously interested . :question:
keep an eye on bud luv's new gro log too ,
really nice system , he's gonna scare himself it's gonna work so well .
he'll have his own private jungle in no time . :greenthumb:
peace everybody
the crispis :jointsmile:
Hi guys, works been busy....X thanks for the photos of the waterfarm holes...I need more than I have definitely you obviously have a lot more room for your roots to come through and they look happier than mine did. ......I do the exact same thing with the recirculating thing that X-does which I love....pulliing things out w/pump and for me pouring it back in the top of the big controller after checking ppms and ph. The newer solution (correct ph etc) flows by gravity back into the each w/f. Every 7 days, completely change solution. In pulling the "older" solution out daily it seems to make a HUGE improvement in the clogging of my drip rings...pulls out the little bits of crud that work their way up to the ring holes and block flow; in addition to knowing I am putting in ph and ppm correct water in daily.....I really love this and growing is fun again rather than back-breaking.
I would have bet money that Bear's dog was a chocolate lab so now I have to ask X....what kind of dog is that on your photo?
hey weedhound ,
i been switchin bk n forth w/ avatars . the white 1 is all pit , black brindle is neo mastiff , n current 1 is a pit throw back i felt sorry for . she kinda reminded me of msn's i.m. happy dog avatar .
peace
your cuz
crispi :jointsmile:
Well happy anniversary then, Xcrispi!
That setup sounds good. I dont want to go that large, since I dont own my home. I do have some shut off valves, but for now all I do when I need to drain is jam a spare hose into the water pump outlet and thats that.
I think I may try to take a clone later today. I have a folgers plastic coffee can with a hole for a 1 inch airstone, and a 3" netpot. I have cloning gel and planned to take a cutting, trim it underwater, into the gel, and directly into the hydroton with furious bubbles and a drop of super thrive (and some cobbled together humidity cover). Think that'll work?
hey E ,
don't see why the cloner won't work man .
only thing missing is the expensive name . thanx for the congrats man .
peace
crispi
Yeh E, that should work. Weed Hound, that is a papered red nose pit on mine. Xcrispi, I am a little blown away by your accident. I feel for you bro. I am completely disabled myself, but I get the job done along with my wife's help, and just have to work around my disability. I still take care of the garden 80% of the time though and you know what? it is therapeutic for me and helps me to stay productive. I can still use power tools and so on so at least I can do allot of the manual labor.
As far as the dogs, I don't have anything in the mix right now. I have been trying to take some time off this last year because I get burnt out working dogs especially with the disability, always cleaning kennels/yards, keeping them separated, diseases, shots, barking and more.
Well, happy anniversary, much respect to you and yours
Adieu for now
that last line sure sounds familiar to me. What's with the pit popularity thing? Those dogs are so 80's!!
Weed Hound, what did you mean when you said that the last line sounded familiar?? Guess it flew over my head. With the pits, can be very compact, don't really shed, low maintenance, loyal, tuff as nails, smart as a whip and have had them since I was a youngen.
Also, Smokies Trans AM is so 80's but I wouldn't mind having one, along with the Dukes General as well, hopefully Daisy would come along for the ride, LOL
Adieu
Proud to say that I'm fully recirculating.
A $20 submersible (130gph) from home depot keeps everything moving nicely in a 12 bucket, approx 35 gallon setup.
Happy Holidays to everyone and congrats on the Anny Crispi.
I'm a vet tech bear, have been for years years years....the whole dog thing; kennels, feeding, the hair....FAMILIAR! I love the pits myself and used to have a few but too old now....me that is....energetic dogs....bulls in china shops....happy, happy dogs
Hoping LW drops in, but perhaps someone else can answer this too. What is the hardest, highest PPM of water that you want to push when using the GH 3 part?? I know that they make a hard water applacation, but I am wondering with my PPM of 130ish if I can still reap the bennifits of the 3 part or if I am too hard, LOL??
Adieu
sorry I don't have an answer for you, but I will try and spend some time to look it up...I'm spoiled with nice well water and an ro unit. Never had the hard water problems...sorry
Any hydro store should be able to help you right off the top of their head...just find one with a toll free# and give'em a call. peace
My store says it's fine, but they arn't allways giving the best advice. I will look up a stor though like you said and give it a try. Better Grow usually has some good stuff, hopefully their info is as good as their products.
Adieu
here you go...calcium and magnesium is what determines the hardness of water. Water hardness is detemined by mg of cal/mag per liter
So it has been determined that "hard water" with 100-150 mg of calcium per liter would be great for mmj. below 50 mg per liter is considered "soft water".
There you go. Now find the mg per liter of your water and that will let you know where you stand on the hardness of your water
hey bear ,
w/ G/H 3 part they don't even recomend H/W micro unless ppm. out of the tap is over 200 ppm . ours is only 80ppm. here , 130 ppm. doesnt sound all to bad . if it aint broke don't fix it ? let us know what all you learn on this matter . i saw your other thread n looks like your headed towards a r/o sys .
i hear ya w/ no pups in near future , lotsa work , like 8-10 new kids all at once . lol . much respect back at ya bear . yes this has been much help in my recovery , not just the med. aspect of it , but the theraputic side of it also .
thanx all for anny blessings.
peace
your cuz
crispi
My well water is about 160-180 ppm which isn't bad...in fact my hydro dude recommended trying it before buying an RO system...the problem was in the fluctuating ph that I never could control for very long without the RO water....worth every pennny to me for that reason alone:)
And bear....you can bet your ass I wouldn't cry if I had a nice Trans Am either....;)
that's exactly what I experienced from my well water...great water, but caused the ph to fluctuate consistantly...peace:smokin:Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
bear didn't mention any p/h flux. tho guys ?
he just asked if water was too hard to obtain max results using g/h 3 part nutes .
peace
crispi
yeah and I answered that, but another member jumped the thread...what's the big deal???I think everybody got answered...
We're all good, I like all of the info always, sometimes that extra input shines a light on other factors that may not have been taken into consideration, and who know's who else is reading threw the thread and something clicks for him or her and solves a problem that they may have been dealing with and just couldn't begin to figure it out or where to start.
Adieu
True true, lots of times it's the details that make the difference in the end...and it's usually something I didn't consider until it is pointed out by someone else. Ps X.....like that dog there and latewood's got a new avatar too.....
my point exactly...my, my if we just stayed on topic around here, alot of info would be bypassed, Happy Holidays
so true latewood! Merry Christmas Everyone!!:areindeer:
merry x-mas to the bear family, and everyone else of course . :noel:
hey bear finally a half assed pic. of our room for everybody , a look at our set up . we started 6 beans hoping to get 4 good ones for w/f , all 6 germd . the best 4 went into w/f , the other 2 i didn't have enuf heart to scrap . they're in pots of soiless mix in middle of farms .
the 4 in farms were veggd for 5 weeks topping them at the 4th week . the dirt plants were not topped. they are all in the fifth week of flower now . 4 d/p blueberry , 2 indoor mix mutts .
i'm noticing not quite the bud mass i'm used to w/ other strains w/ this blueberry , not gonna be any forearm sized stuff .:( more of a nugz type plant . very dense tho n much more tricomes on the blueberry than the mutts . the 1 blueberry in dirt has turned really purple in the last week . is this a phenotype differnce or might the w/f blueberries turn purple too ? the loss in yield might not be such a bad thing as long as it's got wicked potency . not to mention maybe not having to tie up all the heavy branches to the ceiling like last grow . :thumbsup:
gen. hydro shoulda made w/f round to damn it . woulda been easier to spin the top pot every cpl. days if you didn't havta pick em up to do it .:mad:
hey latewood - no bad karma , i hope ? i just didn't completely understand your answer i guess ? i did learn dif. between hardwater/softwater n the paticulars as to why . i just didn't see it as a concrete answer to bears question if 130ppm. was to hard to fully utilize the g/h 3 prt nutes . "thread jumping" ??? :confused: because i refered to blues other thread on the r/o sys. ? i'm just here to learn all i can man and maybe help somebody in the process , maybe make a friend in the process .:)
hey weedhound-sweet job bro. i'm a big animal lover . well dog lover . i'm looking into training n running therapy dogs at our local hospital right now .
tryin to get good close ups of flowers too but our camera sux .
peace
your cuz
crispi
Nice plants X!!! And nice buds too! (even tho they look a little fuzzy).
That's a nice grow room you have there too....how tall are those babies? A friend of mine and I used to run our dogs down to a nursing home years ago once a week....very informal.....extremely rewarding all the way around. These days its lots more work...more rules...testing dogs for health reasons etc.......but still just as rewarding if you can get it up and running.
hey weedhound ,
i'm kind of a techno. retard lol . i don't know how to shrink pics. via a photo shop program . i do it via the camera itself n i lose all photo clairity this way . = fuzzy pics. lol
peace
crispi
hey all...I don't have animosity against anyone...sometimes I get in a hurry and don't clarify things as well as I should.
Hey Xcrispy and the rest of the gang, happy late Xmas. Xcrispy hope all was well with you and the Mrs. for the holiday. Well you got some pics up, will have to have my wife look at them and describe them to me a little better.
Seems like you have put in alot of work despite your condition and I applaud you.
So with your grow right now, do you just think that it is the strains that are looking like they are producing slower or do you think that it is the W/F??
Well, good smoking to you and yours.
Adieu
hey folks ,
i found lotsa pics. n helpful info on the waterfarms at that i/c.com site bear , much thanx for the line on sooooo much more info . :thumbsup: i'm gonna havta bootleg some of their pics. -n- tips over here for everybody . ppl. makin manifolds verses running farms in chains to = out p/h -n- ppm . i still think recirculating them is the answer tho . i don't even remember who to thank for that tip ? :bonghit: < too many of these maybe ? i wanna say weedhound .
weedhound - w/f girls are prob. a good 40in. tall + the height of the farms themselves . the 1000's are still reaching the bottoms of the plants tho , we removed the wings/reflector from cooltubes n don't try to keep the lights over the canopy , you look at room pics. they're down between the row of girls . the lil nugz at bottoms are as far along as the ones up top .
bluebear - 3 out of the 4 in waterfarms are blueberry , the 4th. is the mutt cross and is filling in like they did in the last grow , much better than the blueberries . lack of fullness/yield isn't the fault of the waterfarms it's def. the strain . it might be a blessing in disguise tho. tying all that mess up to the ceiling so they don't fall over was a huge p.i.t.a . looked like some mini krusty stuff going on w/ all the strings . also if the blueberry is as potent as it looks 2 pounds of funk is always better than 4 pounds of junk . meds. will just last me longer .:D
i'm gonna havta start a thread -n- pick everyones brain as to a strain that has the best of both worlds w/ potency -n- yeild both . any idea latewood ? etc... :what:
peace everybody
crispi
hey all ,
instead of running farms in chains n dealing w/ p/h -n- ppm flux.
i saw someone on another site try to fix it this way - creating a manifold . it probably makes for much easier rearranging of farms as the girls grow too . i'd add an extra t fitting opposite the valve pictured to go to a 7th. bucket w/ a pump so it recirculates still tho .
peace
crispi