My friend is a muslim.. is he a terrorist in your eyes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
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My friend is a muslim.. is he a terrorist in your eyes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
Howdy Ghost,Quote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
I tell ya what,why don't you ask him if he is for the jihadists or against them ?
All muslims are suspect-until proven otherwise..most likely tho,from my experience of living in Saudi,if he's here-he doesn't believe in slaying all infidels-such as you and I.
Well, he's not 'here', because youre in the USA, but hes here, in the UK lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Torog
Anyway; he, like most muslims, believes in Peace. Because some dont, you cant call Islam a religion of terrorists. Nor can you call all Muslims terrorists, just because some fanatics are. If a christian was to commit a murder, i wouldnt accuse all christians of being murderers. Unfortunately, Torog, you see this as a religious war - Christianity against Islam. also, I get the feeling that's what your president wants you to think - he uses religious expressions, and the name God, and quotes the bible to reach out to Christians such as yourself who belief this is a religious war. It looks like its working
Howdy Ghost,Quote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
You do know,that the Koran instructs all muslims to lie to and decieve infidels,until the moment comes to slay them-don't you ? Your muslim friend,could be lying to you, about wanting Peace.
Over 98% of all conflicts in the world at this time,are because of muslim jihadism,and Jews and Christians,are their primary targets..I'd say that qualifies as a religious war. I keep myself informed as to the nature of what's going on in the world,I don't need anyone to make me think anything,I'm perfectly capable of assessing the situation myself,based on 45 years of life experience-and watching history unfold.
I forgot that you're in merry ol England,say,how do ya feel about all the politically-correct protections being passed over there for muslims ?
Has your muslim friend,asked you to consider converting to Islam yet ?
Will you be content to pay the infidel tax ?
Torog, to answer your questions..Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
No, i didnt know the koran said that. But i havent read it. I also note that the bible has parts where god instructs people to murder women, children, and babies.. forget about that, did ya?
Maybe christians wouldnt be their primary targets if christians hadnt fucked with them in the first place?
i think that everyone should be given protection - that includes muslims.
no my friend has never asked me to convert to Islam - he knows im atheist, and strongly disagree with organized religion
whats the infidel tax? lol
Howdy Ghost,
You're wrong about God commanding Christians to kill anyone..God commanded that we shall NOT kill.
Christianity,started long before the terrorist pedophile mohammed came along,it was because of the brutal nature of Islam,that Christians had to rise up and defeat them,because they threatened to brutally murder all infidels or enslave them,as well as destroy all European civilization.
Ask your friend about the infidel tax-he'll probably be ashamed to admit that it's true-that even though you're an atheist,you are still considered an infidel,all non-muslims,are considered to be infidels..that you don't even believe in God,makes you one of the worst kinds of infidels,in the eyes of Islam.
I wish you'd invite your muslim friend to come here and debate me,I've been trying to git other liberals,who claim to know or have muslim friends,to git them to debate me,over at the MariHemp boards,for some time now-none have come forward.
Whats wrong with being a Liberal!? lol Sounds good to meQuote:
Liberal -
Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded
Anyway, if hes ever at my house, i'll get him to come on and have a chat with you, okay? lol
Howdy Ghost,Quote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
Sounds like a plan-just be sure to tell him what he's in for,a debate with a conservative Christian Texan,that voted for Bush-twice.
The so-called 'tolerance' of liberals,does not extend to those who differ from their views,such as conservative Christians-I find,that many liberal's 'hearts'..bleed only for themselves-and their causes.
When did I say all Jews were terrorists? I said Isreal. Israel brings terrorism onto itself just like we bring it on our country. I don't agree with terrorism, but it is a way for oppressed people to fight back against larger more powerful countries. It is our countries foregin policy and Israel's aggression against the palestinians that bring on more terrorism. I don't see palestinians driving tanks, gunships, and fighter jets. The Israelis don't need to use suicide bombers, they have a massive military we provided them. Hell, palestinians rarely can pick up a rifle without getting killed, so I see why they resort to using dirty methods and bombing people. I don't agree that is right, but what would you do if you were oppressed like they are? We need to stop supporting Israel and it's treatment of palestinians and change our fucked up foreign policy. All our problems come from us. We are like the worlds bully, and we get upset when people fight back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
Your a conservative, yet you voted for Bush. That's says a lot, considering Bush is donkey disguised as an elephant.
Howdy sawleaf,Quote:
Originally Posted by sawleaf
Are you implying,that Israel does not have the right to exist ?
Are you also saying,that the terrorists are un-accountable for their actions ?
Israel,didn't start this mess,they were attacked in'48,by arabs who didn't want them to exist as a State-in fact..the goal of muslim arabs and pali's,is to kill all Jews and wipe Israel off the map. It ain't about establishing a free and democratic,peaceful Palestine-it's always been their goal,to destroy Israel..the Palestinian 'State"..is just an excuse to keep killing Jews.
At some point in time-you have to hold the terrorists and the countries who sponsor and export them-accountable for their actions-just as we do for any criminal. It's not like America and Israel,want to impose brutal dictatorships-like muslims want to do.
Are you saying-that all folks slaughtered by terrorists,deserve it-because they failed to make the terrorists happy and give into their brutal demands ?
I think that your priorities are out-of-whack....you may as well say-that Laci Peterson and her un-born child,deserved to be murdered by Scott Peterson-because Laci was in the 'way ' of Scott's happiness...
Oh that makes sense your a neo-conservative. Whoopie fucking do.
"Are you also saying,that the terrorists are un-accountable for their actions ?
Israel,didn't start this mess,they were attacked in'48,by arabs who didn't want them to exist as a State-in fact..the goal of muslim arabs and pali's,is to kill all Jews and wipe Israel off the map. It ain't about establishing a free and democratic,peaceful Palestine-it's always been their goal,to destroy Israel..the Palestinian 'State"..is just an excuse to keep killing Jews."
One, they live there longer than the zionists. They are only there because of the British Mantra. Both have their claim to that land. Are you saying Palestine doesn't have the right to exist even tho their people lived there for thousands and thousands of years? Didn't think of that one did ya.
"At some point in time-you have to hold the terrorists and the countries who sponsor and export them-accountable for their actions-just as we do for any criminal. It's not like America and Israel,want to impose brutal dictatorships-like muslims want to do."
Explain how a country should be held for sponsering terrorism. Should we hold the US liable for a bunch of drug lords who sell drugs? That's idiotic.
"Are you saying-that all folks slaughtered by terrorists,deserve it-because they failed to make the terrorists happy and give into their brutal demands ?"
You don't understand why a terrorist is willing to blow themselves up. It's because they're fighting to free their people. For a cause, it's the wrong way too, but neither you or I would understand because we have no idea what it means to be occupied.
"I think that your priorities are out-of-whack....you may as well say-that Laci Peterson and her un-born child,deserved to be murdered by Scott Peterson-because Laci was in the 'way ' of Scott's happiness..."
Some BS rhetoric to throw in that has nothing to do with the issue? It's not even in the same parallel.
For fuck sake, there's a politcal forum for all this bollox, take your opinions there.
Torog, I am not implying or saying any of that. I am just saying that our country is not the good guy. There is no good guy. Most of these problems come from us. Do you think terrorists are any worst than our government and it's greedy political agenda? Our foriegn policy is very fucked up. Our greedy government has caused so many people suffering in this world. When it comes down to it, I take our countries side, but not blindly. I know the US government is powerful and very corupt. You can't understand the enemy very well if you don't understand why they are fighting us. Look at it from their perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
Torog's girlfriend is a terrorist.
I must inform the mayor.
Can't we all just get high....
Israel does have no right to exist. After WW2 America decided that the Jews needed a country, so they thought they would give them most of Palestine. Which, funnily enough, belonged to the PALESTINIANS. No I am not anit-Semitic, and no I am not pro-terrorist, but Israel should not exist. Sorry if the Jews don't have a country, but there aren't any empty countries hanging around at the moment.
Torog, I cannot say that I have read the Koran, so I don't know much about what it contains, but I doubt you have either. What I can say is that although the Bible says that you should not kill, it also justifies killing many times (in the Old Testament.) Many Egyptians are killed by the plagues brought upon Egypt, almost the entire world is killed in the floods. I can't think of any more examples right now but I expect you've read he Bible and will know of other places.
Howdy sawleaf,Quote:
Originally Posted by sawleaf
I tell you what,you've been living around too many liberals,if you think America is worse than countries that are brutal dictatorships,as a Marine,you should know,that America,liberated over a billion folks from brutal dictatorships last century,and that we've liberated over 50 million more folks,this century. How you think that is bad,I don't understand . How do you figure,that it's worse to give folks choice ? If our foreign policy is messed up,it due mostly to liberals and the UN-both of whom are weak-willed and believe that appeasement is the answer-to feeding the wolf and making it happy..so that it doesn't devour our children.
I also find,that it is you-who does not understand who the enemy is-which is pretty sad,for a Marine. The enemy,is anyone that does not believe in Liberty,Justice and Freedom for all. IT's JUST THAT SIMPLE-PERIOD.
The only thing that Islam offers,and usually forces,is brutal oppression-at every level. The same is true of Communism..for you to make excuses for either and blame America while you're at it..is reprehensible and is not in the character of a Marine. I would really love to see you express your feelings about America-and see the reaction of your fellow veterans,at your local VFW and American Legion..I suspect-that they will stop serving you drinks at the bar-just for starters.
Have a good one...Torog
Torog, how the hell could America have liberated 1 billion people last century. Let's see... wars that America was in last century...
1st World War: America liberated no one. No one got liberated at all.
2nd World War: Germany, Japan and Italy were liberated from dictatorships, none of them directly though. I could have sworn that there were a lot of other countries in that war who put a lot more effort in the America did. Oh well...
Korean War: No one liberated. Many killed.
Vietnam War: America poking it's nose in to stop the nasty commies. No one liberated. Many killed.
Gulf war: No one liberated
Maybe you are counting the Cold War? Firstly, as with the 2nd World War you were not the only country involved by a long shot, secondly the USSR was not liberated, America just kept threatening it (and the entire world) until it collapsed due to a failing economy, brought on by itself, not by any brave Americans.
At the end of the last century there were 6 billion people in the world. Are you saying that America "liberated" 1/6 of the entire world's population? With is own 200-and-something million people?
Howdy Kombucha,
The stats have been compiled and verified,if you choose not believe them,that's your choice.
Let's see,you're the feller that said Israel doesn't have the right to exist,the fact is,is that God gave the Jews Israel-long before any arabs came along and began to ruin and destroy everything that they touch.
Israel,is a democracy and the arabs want to put into place,a brutally oppressive islamic goverment..why would you believe that brutal oppression-is better than democracy ? Israel,was a land of ruin and devastation,under the rule of arabs-when the Jews finally came back to their homeland,given to them by God,thousands of years ago,they transformed the valleys of ruin into green valleys of life.
Why do you despise Liberty,Freedom and Justice for all,so much ?
When you side with the brutal islamofascists-that is what you're doing..why don't you understand that ?
My girlfriend wants to know-why do you instinctively hate Jews so much ?
I have found the Jews to be amongst the most tolerant and charitable folks I've ever met..my girlfriend and her parents-helped me and my daughter,through some of the toughest times in my life-they opened their hearts and home to my daughter and I,even though I'm a conservative Christian..I have learned much,about tolerance and charity for others,because of my Jewish girlfriend and her Jewish family..I'm certain ,that you could learn much as well.
I stand with Israel and the Jews.."Those who would curse Israel..shall be cursed..those who bless Israel..shall be blessed "... God will punish all who rise against His People...Armageddon approaches..Islam will be destroyed..as will those who curse Israel and God's People.
May God have Mercy on your soul..ye of little Faith..:(
Let me get some things straight. I don't hate Jews. I don't hate anyone. I don't agree with killing for any reason, although I do see that often it may be necessary.
Therefore I do not agree with any form of terrorism. I do not love Islam and hate Judaism. I don't feel strongly either way or another, they are just religions that exist. As far as I am concerned they are all humans just as much.
I don't like Israel politically. Just because I do not like Israel it does not mean I do not like Jews. I don't like America but I am still Christian.
Howdy Kombucha,
You state:" I don't like America but I am still Christian. "
America,was founded by Christians.
I suggest that you read my latest thread in the Politics forum,since you don't like America, entitled : "Canadian urges disaffected Left to move north"..therein lies your solution for your hatred and disaffection with America.
I know America was founded by Christians but so what? If I (or any other Christian) founded a death camp for babies you would still dislike the camp and still be Christian.
I'm not sure what you mean by the phrase "a death camp for babies",unless you're talking about the over 40 million unborn children murdered since RoevsWade was passed ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kombucha
When I say a death camp for babies I mean a place where I take babies that I steal from their famillies and kill them in vast numbers.
By the way Torog do you actually smoke cannabis or are you just here to argue? It's just I've never seen you talking about it before and you don't seem to be the kinda guy who would.
THE SMALL PRINT:
Before anyone gets weird on me this is just an example of a bad thing that could be formed by a Christian yet is still disliked by Christians.
I do not in any way condone the kidnapping and slaughter of people in the name of proving Torog wrong.
Howdy Kombucha,Quote:
Originally Posted by Kombucha
You still haven't explained what you meant by "death camp for babies"-unless you might be talking about the military-in which case,you'd be wrong..because we've had an all volunteer force since the draft was ended in the 70's.
As for toking weed,I've been doing that since '72..just because I love America and what She stands for..Liberty and justice for all,doesn't mean that I don't git high. If it be God's Will,I will have a lush and bountiful harvest of the most incredible wild flower,that God has ever created,by early summer. If God chooses to bless me so,I will have some wonderful medicine that I can share with several seriously ill folks.
Oh I know plenty of veterans who share the same opinions as I do Torog. We are the ones who see through all the bullshit and don't go waving the flag blindly. Our country won't do shit to help another country in this world unless we have something to gain or are attacked directly. We sat on our asses while europe was invaded during WW2 and didn't get involved until we were attacked. Iraq is about our oil interests, not getting Saddam out. We helped Saddam, help Osama, and we even helped put the Vietcong in power. Do we ever do anything in Africa where many people really need us? Nope, they have no oil or anything for us. You cannot blame Islam, do you have any muslim friends, have you read the Koran? It is the radicals that cause problems, but our government gives them all the fuel they need against us. Once again you show your closed-minded ways Torog, stereotyping Marines. We are not all the same brainwashed people that everyone thinks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
Torog, yes I did describe what I meant, if you look at the top of my last post before this. I did not mean anything metaphorical I just thought of something that would be pretty bad.
Sawleaf, well said, I agree with you entirely on your last post.
Thanks, I am not angry or upset with anyone I debate with online. I agree with Torog on a lot of things. Sometimes we just have a clash of views and opinions. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kombucha
Religion and politics is a recipe for disaster. Take your opinions to the politics forum or the spirituality forum (religion).
Howdy sawleaf,Quote:
Originally Posted by sawleaf
Well..I must say,I do have a tendency towards being close-minded,sterotypification and being stubborn,ornery and cantankerous..lol. I apologize to you and everyone else,like Johnny Bravo has pointed out several times,these arguments and discussions,are best done in the Politics or Spirituality forums.:o
I'm a whole lot more mellow,if I have some weed to toke..lately,I haven't been able to afford any-next month should be a little better. When I'm high,I have a rule-no watching of news or anything political or religious..I want to enjoy every precious moment when I'm stoned !
It dang sure don't help things,when the Cowboys are doing so poorly either...lol.
Have a good one...Torog :D
meanwhile im seeing footage of marines shooting unarmed 'insurgents" and shouting HOT DANG-GOT THE FUCKER.
inspiring-yes.
they are not brave just brain washed to do someone elses dirty work I know i was with a sabre troop long range recce, war is for the unenlightened or the stupid, or indeed persons with severe personality disorders show if you cant show pictures of civvi casualties then what about some of the oil thats been stolen IT SUCKS, by the way the way where are the W.O.M.D eh let me think????? what other country has huge oil reserves and very few weapons to defend themselves.... :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
Torog, I've got a bone to pick with you. You seem to enjoy copying/pasting articles about stuff 99.999% of the members of this board don't agree with at all, yet when people reply to them, you come back to debate 'your' points. This leads me to 2 conclusions, and I would like that you tell me which is the more accurate, so I can have some peace of mind. Either:
1-You're simply copying/pasting articles but don't know what they actually mean, so you're not able to debate them with someone who provides a valid and opposing point of view (i.e. you're not too bright)
2-You're just a shit-disturber and enjoy pissing people off, and the Torog we all know is just a front for you to have fun.
Now, by reading some of your non-political posts (few and far between :D) I've decided that you're definitely not stupid, and by the simple fact that you smoke a lot of weed and yet you present yourself as a right-wing ultra-conservative christian is ironic to the point that it just cannot be true.
I enjoy debating the issues you bring up, but I'm not gonna bother anymore unless you show me that you're NOT a fake.
Speak now or forever hold your peace :D
wow.. walk about paranoia
Nah, I'm not paranoid, and I guess I sound pissed off, even though I'm not. I'm just curious to know whether this is guy joking or if he's serious, that's all.Quote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
I thought the :D's would make that apparent, but i guess not lol
lol no worries.. i m just stoned :)Quote:
Originally Posted by F L E S H
Man, I haven't gotten stoned in almost a week now... maybe that's why I'm in a bad mood :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
I don't think Torog is a fake. He is just different. I know hardcore republicans who are everyday cannabis smokers. My good friend is a republican senator's secretary and he smokes more bud than me. :)
But isn't that the greatest conflict of interest?? :confused:
What about all those TV ads saying that buying weed funds terrorists? What about neo-conservative rhetoric? I can't understand, for the life of me, how a pot smoker could side with people who constantly pass laws according to their interpretation of the bible (re: Ashcroft -- so much for separation of Church and State... Wasn't that done away with in the constitution?) and with people who give longer jail sentences to drug users than to rapists????