Excellent posts elsie haze You really know your stuff. I have book marked your links. I haven't had any more reply s from the emails to mps i sent last night. If i do i will post results.
demonangel :rasta:
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Excellent posts elsie haze You really know your stuff. I have book marked your links. I haven't had any more reply s from the emails to mps i sent last night. If i do i will post results.
demonangel :rasta:
Quote:
Originally Posted by demonangel2_uk
what parties do the mps sit on?
be worth monitoring them
labour tend to say no, but sympathise with medical use, but wont ever legalise it, be interesting what lib dems, cons and greens say?
well done
else xx
I was wondering the marches next year will the press be covering them? & the mps i contacted are from various party's. Lib Dem, Conservatives, Independent, Plaid Cymru, but still haven't had any more reply s as yet. Starting to think i aint gona get any more. Back to the marches i was a little disappointed that there isn't a march any closer to my area. I live in Mid Wales Powys and with the marches being so far away. Not sure i can get to them. I will try my best though. Be better if the organisers could hold marches in more locations as well as London, Birmingham and Middlesbrough. I think that the travelling stops a lot of people like myself getting to them. Be excellent if some one could organise a marches in Shrewsbury, Aberystwyth and other places around the country. I had a good idea for a advert last night when in my bed. A 2 part ad shown on tv one after the other. The first could show some people coming out of a pub fairly drunk and could progress into them beating some one up because the person looked at them funny or said something. Then the next part of the add could have the same people leaving a house were they have been smoking cannabis and they run into the same person they beat up in the previous add but this time they have a laugh and a joke with them. At the end of the first add there could be a voice over saying something like Alcohol causes more & more assaults and deaths every year and on the second adds voice over could state the fact that cannabis doesn't cause fights and has never killed any one. I was a little stoned when i had this idea so sorry if its stupid lol. Then at the very end it could say Alcohol more dangerous than cannabis.... Vote to legalise cannabis.... Everyone let me know what you think.
demonangel :rasta:
here is the list of the mps i sent the emails to:
Joe Griffiths MBE (Independent)
Mick Bates (Liberal Democrat)
Lisa Francis (Conservative)
Nicholas Bourne (Conservative)
Helen Mary Jones (Plaid Cymru)
Glyn Davies (Conservative)
Lembit Ã?pik (Liberal Democrat)
Glenys Kinnock (Labour)
Jill Evans (Plaid Cymru)
Jonathan Evans (Conservative)
Eluned Morgan (Labour)
I will post if any of them send a positive reply. But i aint holding my breath as its been 2 days now.
demonangel :rasta:
here is the reply i had from Glyn Davies:
Thank you for your email. I am not in favour of the legalisation of
cannabis and I was strongly opposed to its recent reclassification.
Where it
is recommended as a response to the alleviation of a medical condition
I am
content to support its use.
Best wishes, Glyn Davies
i had another reply as well but i acidently deleted it and cant remember which one it was from sorry.
demonangel :rasta:
Quote:
Originally Posted by demonangel2_uk
OH MY GOSH!!!!
Me and my freinds said forever that we should go to holland for a weekend and film the alcohol v cannabis, how mad is that!!!! It would be great to get it down to 10 minutes so it can go on youtube.
regarding the march, i know there are a few campaigners in north wales, prehaps between you you could arrange something?
i know that local papers DO tend to print cannabis stuff, they enjoy it! So you could just do the "old blag" call up the paper and say next year on May
5th there will be a cannabis march through......... whatever town/city. Register it on the global marijuana march website, so people know its on.
ask your local head shop, and grow shop plus music shops or other toker frindly outlets, to put up a poster.
the poster can just say:
Global Marijuana March
May 5th 2007
Join the world protest for cannabis legalisation
Starting at ............................ at 10 am
Finishing at .............................. with a small gathering in the park
although you should call the police and council.......if you are NOT organising it, its not up to you, the police and council will hear about it, they cannot really stop it, but dont hold your hands up and say, i organised this but didnt tell you, instead say, i wonder who organised this fabulous event, and giggle.
for you can have a march and people will come, and not much effort but lots of gossip will ensure people turn out.
and in the worst case senario, you get there and no one else has made it, just keep on walking and plan better for next time ;)
give them a week or so!
also if they say they support medical use if they feel it is necesary for medical users to face prison for their chice of medication.
i feel we have to be strong, the prohibitionists are digging away to make cannabis sound bad, two years ago nearly every mp supported reclassification and so did the police, we need to find evidence that cannabis does not cause phycosis, i'll be a guinea pig, as long as i dont have to smoke soap xx
took me 2 weeks to get a reply but i got one (Andrew Gorge)
cant spell his name soz
I had a reply through the mail today. A 3 page letter came this morning in the mail. first page was a letter from Mick Bates AM. It said:
Thanks for your email yesterday regarding the legalization of cannabis in the UK. I have enclosed a copy of the Liberal Democrats Policy Briefing on the subject for your information. I hope it will be useful to you.
If i you need anything further, please don't hesitate to contact me again.
MICK BATES AM
Montgomery shire
That is what the letter said. The liberal democrats policy briefing dated January 2005 was enclosed and is 2 pages long. I am going to try an get it scanned. But if i cant find a scanner i will type it in to a post. So keep an eye out here when i get a chance i will post it. Basically they admit Prohibition doesn't work but concerning legalization they seem to tend to lean towards decriminalization allowing cannabis users not to be arrested for using and carrying cannabis also they are in favour of allowing cannabis users to grow there own plants unto 3 plants. To take cannabis out of the illegal drug trade.
I will type the document into word later then copy and paste it onto here for everyone to have a read. Hopefully have more reply s like this. I thinking if they have these views we maybe can get them to make a speech at a legalization event of some kind. Here is his email if any one ells wants to email him: [email protected]
i will email him back later to thank him for his rapid reply.Does anyone think it is worth asking him about if he or one of his party members would consider making a speech during the next march?
demonangel2 :rasta:
Sorry but confusion has struck. I read it was 20th July 2007 but on a post above it says 5th of May. When is the actual date so i can change posts i have made in various places.
demonangel :rasta:
2007 Global Marijuana March
Saturday, May 5
152 cities have signed up
brilliant news from lib dems, i know who i will vote for xxx
demon angel
have heard there are more marches due june-july
i'll post it when i know but official global march is may 5th
I also will be voting for them next time. I was quite pleasantly surprised getting a reply in the mail and even more surprised to find out they wernt against cannabis. i am just about to go type the other 2 pages out on word then copy and paste here. Also lets me keep a copy on my HD just in case i lose the printed out copy i received. I will post it later hopefully might take me a while to type it out though.
demonangel :rasta:
PS. Cheers for update on the dates.
After reading the 2 pages of the Lib Dems policy again i aint to sure if its good or bad. You decide. It took me an hour & half to type this so hope its informative let me know if it indeed is good or bad. LOL. Bit stoned at the mo so i will post it in its own post after this one k.
demonangel :rastasmoke:
Her they are happy reading. LOL.
Honesty, Realism, Responsibility
Liberal Democrat Policy Briefing 10
January 2005
Drug Law Reform
The proabitionist approach to drugs over the last year has not worked. According to the 2003 British Crime Survey, 12% of adults took an illegal drug in the previous year and 3% took a Class A drug. This means there are four million drug users & a million hard drug users in the UK. The number of heroin addicts in the UK is estimated to be over a quarter of a million. Aside from the health and social problems drug abuse creates for the users themselves, hard drugs are a huge factor in causing other crimes. It has been estimated drug related property crime accounts for stolen goods of over £2 billion in value.
Liberal Democrats believe the current emphasis on criminal sanctions for users actually makes the problem worse: It exacerbates the adverse consequences of drug use; it brings many young people, who would otherwise be law-abiding , into contact with both the criminal world and criminal justice system; it undermines more promising strategies for minimizing harmful drug use; and diverts large public resources witch could be better employed elsewhere.
Liberal Democrats believe the time has come to reform the approach to drugs policy, so there is an intelligent range of responses, with the emphasis on education, treatment for addiction and harm reduction strategies rather than blanket prohibition, but retaining criminal sanctions were justified.
We would take a honest, realistic and responsible to the drugs policy by:
1 Establishing a standing drugs commission to advise on drugs policy, with a remit extended to cover legal substances such as alcohol, solvents and tobacco. The commission would keep the classification of cannabis (along with other drugs) under review in the light of new scientific evidence as it emerged.
2 Requiring the drugs commission to also carry out regular audits of drugs policy, starting immediately, and with major reports every five years. The drugs commission would draw on the expertise of the National Audit Office in conducting the audit.
3 Seeking a Europe-Wide review of drugs policy every five years.
4 Calling for a review of the current 1988 UN Convention against Illicit Traffic in Narcotic Drugs and Psychotropic Substances to allow more flexible policy.
Liberal Democrats would brake the links between cannabis use & organized crime by:
1 Maintaining the classification of cannabis as class c in the short term, issuing policy guidance that is not in the public interest to prosecute individuals for possession of cannabis for their own use, cultivation of small numbers of cannabis plants for there own use, or social supply of cannabis.
2 Permitting medical use of cannabis derivatives, subject to appropriate pharmaceutical controls and the successful conclusion of clinical trials.
3 In the longer term, seeking to put the supply of cannabis on a legal, regulated basis, subject to securing necessary renegotiations of the UN Conventions.
Liberal Democrats would reform unnecessary and counter productive criminal penalties by:
1 Ending the use of imprisonment as a punishment for possession for own use of illegal drugs of any class. Drug addicts wherever possible should be in treatment & not in prison unless they have committed other serious crimes (e.g. robbery to feed a crack cocaine habit) in witch prison must retain an option.
2 Reclassifying Ecstasy from class A to class B to reflect the fact it is less harmful than heroin & cocaine, but not reclassifying it further unless recommended by the Drugs Commission subject to evidence on long term health effects.
3 Amending of the misuse of drugs act 1971 as recommended by the report of the independent inquiry into the Act chaired by Dame Ruth Runciman, so that occupiers or managers of premises only commit a crime if they knowingly and willfully permit the supply or production of illegal drugs on those premises.
Liberal Democrats would promote a more effective policy to reduce drug dependency and its adverse consequences by:
1 Extending the use of drug treatment and testing as an alternative to other criminal sanctions.
2 Developing specialist heroin treatment clinics were heroin or heroin substitutes can be administered under controlled conditions, with other medical treatment and testing, and counseling and withdrawal programs available.
Liberal Democrats would crack down on illegal drug trafficking and drug affected driving by:
1 Introducing a new offence of `dealing` as recommended by the Runciman report to allow more effective action against those proved to be supplying illegal drugs over long periods of time.
2 Allowing the selling of drugs near schools, psychiatric facilities and other sensitive locations to be an aggravating factor in sentencing, as recommended by Runciman.
3 Launching a public information campaign on the dangers of drug affected driving, and encouraging the police to carry out roadside sobriety testing of suspected unfit drivers when appropriate.......
hope you can make seance of it it made seance when i read it the first time but not the second. Must be the green ime smoking lol. Bye for now.
demonangel :rastasmoke:
Liberal Democrats would brake the links between cannabis use & organized crime by:
1 Maintaining the classification of cannabis as class c in the short term, issuing policy guidance that is not in the public interest to prosecute individuals for possession of cannabis for their own use, cultivation of small numbers of cannabis plants for there own use, or social supply of cannabis.
2 Permitting medical use of cannabis derivatives, subject to appropriate pharmaceutical controls and the successful conclusion of clinical trials.
3 In the longer term, seeking to put the supply of cannabis on a legal, regulated basis, subject to securing necessary renegotiations of the UN Conventions.
thats the bit what counts!
nice, very nice indeed, grow use and socially share weed without arrest, and the hope of full legalisation, i like it.
3 Launching a public information campaign on the dangers of drug affected driving, and encouraging the police to carry out roadside sobriety testing of suspected unfit drivers when appropriate.......
dunno about this though, lots of testing needed cannabis can stay in your system for up to 3 months! thats a long time not driving after a smoke, lol.
i suppose like drink driving you would have to have a certain percentage in the breath or blood, if it just went on having a trace in the system...well
it might be more environmentally freindly with 6 million tokers using public transport, or better................
bikes, like the dutch, a daily protest, lol
Just moved to chelsea, looking for a new connect desperately. any help?
Sorry i haven't posted for a few days. Because a good m8 of mine died on Saturday morning and i haven't been feeling to good since. i will post again shortly. Any new ideas out there?? hopefully getting my Xmas stash on Friday least some things get better. Catch you all later.
demonangel :rasta:
pass the joint lol :joint1:
Quote:
Originally Posted by demonangel2_uk
HI MATE
SO SORRY TO HEAR OF YOUR LOSS, WE TOO LOST A GOOD PAL LAST MONTH, IT IS REALLY HARD TO DEAL WITH. THINGS WILL GET BETTER THOUGH.
I HAVE JUST VEEN WAITING FOR POSTS BUT MOSTLY FOLLOWING THE THC4MS TRIAL DUE TO END WEDNESDAY BUT EXTENDED.
IT SEEMS TO BE GOING WELL BUT TAKING ITS TOLL ON LEZ WHO HAS MS
HAVE A BIG TOOT IN MEMORY OF YOUR MATE, IN THE GARDEN WITH A CANDLE.
HUGS
ELSIE
Yet another reply from mps this time from Plaid Cymru. Received today. Here is the email:
Thank you for your e-mail.
Plaid Cymru - The Party of Wales passed a motion in the Conference of
2001 on legalising cannabis.
We called for the discrimination of the use of cannabis for medicinal
purposes once a sufficient evidence base has proven efficacy and an
appropriate treatment protocol developed as a model; and for the
decriminalisation of cannabis for recreational use for purchase from
registered licensed premises, thereby cutting the supply line of
cannabis from illegal drug dealers.
Also we would like to see a complementary and comprehensive public
awareness campaign about the inherent dangers of cannabis use,
including
information of the highly carcinogenic qualities of the substance.
Best Wishes
Jill Evans MEP
I will keep posting them as and when i recieve them.
demonangel :rasta:
Hi just been reading this thread, and decided to join the forum, because of this..
demonangel2_uk Thats an excellent reply from Jill Evens.
Elsie Haze great to see you on this site as well...
Great work.
winnie
Her is another email i received Saturday but as i received the news of my friend on the same day it slipped my mind until i got round to reading it this morning. here is the email:
Thank you for your message addressed to Nick Bourne AM seeking his views on the legalisation of cannabis.
Nick is opposed to a blanket legalisation of this drug although he is aware there is evidence that it can relieve pain incurred by certain medical conditions.
If the authorities recommend that cannabis be legalised for these medical conditions Nick will certainly support this.
I hope this answers your question.
Best wishes.
Paul Morris
Group Administrator
Welsh Conservative Group
National Assembly for Wales
The emails keep coming.
demonangel :rasta:
You've done well demonangel2_uk, sorry to hear about your friend.
I got letter from my MP Peter Ainsworth.. Con East Surrey.
It says....
Thank you for your email of the 17th November 2006 regarding the legalisation or decriminalisation of cannabis for recreational use.
A recent United Nations Report has said that cannabis is now considerably more potent than a few decades ago and that it was a mistake to dismiss it as a "soft" and relatively harmless drug. It said that the harmful characteristics of cannabis are no longer different from those of plant-based drugs such as cocaine and heroin.
The downgrading of cannabis sent out the message that it was pretty harmless and may have encouraged youngsters to take it up. It is vital that we have strong and effective measures waring children of the dangers of drugs devoid of any confusion.
I believe that the Governments seriously confused course of action on cannabis has let to chaos and confusion in the enforcement of drug laws.
This in turn has led to a continuing failure to reduce this dangerous threat to lives.
http://www.lca-uk.org/lcaforum/viewtopic.php?t=1942
Keep up those e-mails as I've not seen such a positive response in ages...
winnie
the image reaper . i read an earlier post of yours think it was on the first page of this thread. Just thought i would ask Who said cannabis users don't vote. I have smoked weed for many years and i have always voted and almost every one i know to smoke weed votes at every election. Saying smokers don't vote is like saying people who enjoy smoking cigarettes and people who enjoy a drink in the pub don't vote. So saying people who smoke weed don't vote is not true. To every one on this thread. Do you vote???? I find it totally hard to believe that pot smokers don't vote. I also think the government should have this info brought to there attention. The longer they keep it illegal the more and more votes they will lose from the weed smokers of the country. Last night i read somewhere the the government also are planing to reclassify cannabis back up to class b any one know if this is true. Any info please post.
demonangel :rastasmoke:
:joint1:
thanks for your condolences towards the loss of my friend. I appreciated it thanks. Also thanks for praise of my results from the mps although there not needed. My friend also was a weed user and had been most his life. He was all for the legalization cause also. He will be really missed my every one that knew him and he would be proud to know that people are and will still continue to keep fighting for the legalization of cannabis.
demonangel :rastasmoke:
Having worked with a political party (until recently) - the Legalise Cannabis Alliance, one of our aims was to get tokers to vote for our LCA candidates. I must say that whilst campaigning on the streets, we saw a great deal of support, but this was never really reflected by the number of votes. Certainly a lot of people that we spoke with were not even registered.
Of course one cannot generalise I guess we can only ask the tokers themselves.
I was 42 before I ever used my vote, simply because I did not feel any of the candidates represented my interests especially regarding cannabis (that was 1992).
Then a group or people in Norwich formed a campaign group and planned to put up candidates; although they did not stand in 1992, my interest in voting led me to vote for the first time.
The second time was for Howard Marks in 1997 and I've voted ever since. In 1999 the Legalise Cannabis Alliance was formed as a registered party and started standing under that name with the leaf as emblem on the ballot paper; in Norwich we were fortunate enough to have cannabis candidates most years. LCA fought over 80 elections since. But this year in November we voted to de-register as a party.
Looking at it like this: if 10% of adults toke, most of those where LCA stood must have not voted, not been regsitered, or voted for another candidate. Although in local elections, LCA gained up to 8%, in the parliamentary elections it was usually well under 5%
Penn & teller Bullshit war on drugs. Thought this was very informative at the same time being quite funny.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...n+Drugs&hl=en#
What do you all think????
demonangel :rasta:
hi demon angel, winstone and alunb3....
gosh you lot have all been on it today, and i have been at work...boo ooo.
i am going to post the thc4ms trial on the medi pages for those who want a read.
demon angel, nice one on the letters, good to see whats happening.
had any plans for a project yet?
i wondered if we could find a dutch person with a camcorda who could make the advert regarding cannabis cafes and pubs we discussed? prehaps we should ask on here, being world wide?
all the best, hope today got easier.
love elsie xx
Sorry to say i have nothing planed i am hoping some one from either Shrewsbury or Aberystwyth or Welshpool or even Newtown maybe might have some ideas. As i stated before i aint good at organising anything. I might have a good idea now and then but putting the ideas into motion just isn't something ime good at at all. So if any one here is from either Shrewsbury, Welshpool or Newtown or some of the other surrounding areas please post here and maybe we could try and do something. Any ideas would be welcome. I know Mid Wales is full of weed users hopefully the ones that are not to scared to speak out will try and do something. But ime not going to hold my breath though. I will just have to try and make it to one of the already arranged marches. Do you have to register to take part in one of these marches if so how would i go about it????? I would really love to get involved on the day even if it is just handing out leaflets to public on lookers during the march would be something or maybe something ells on the day. On to another subject. I was a little surprised today when i looked through my PCs bookmarks about 80% of them have something to do with cannabis & legalization. I was actually quite surprised even more surprised that most of them wernt even on the list until after finding this thread. Plus the forum on the LCA website. The 2 sites have really inspired me i think. Just hope they inspires every one ells who come across these 2 excellent sites. I try to remember to post links to here and the LCA site everywhere i go on-line if they arnt already posted that is. A m8 called round today to tell me that him, his girlfriend & his Dad are going to Amsterdam in May next year around the 3rd so he wouldn't be able to attend any marches with me on the 5th. I said it was a shame but told him not to worry about it. i told him about our m8 who die and he like me couldn't believe it at first.He has even offered to spread his ashes in one of the canals around the city because both of us know that's what he wanted. I wanted to do it myself but cant afford to get there. My m8 always wanted to move to Amsterdam so its only fitting he should be put to rest there. He said he would do it on the 5th of May....
Got to go a m8 is cooking me something to eat down stairs because i haven't eaten since Saturday & haven't got any smoke to build up my apatite so not sure if i will eat anything much. Suppose i will have to since he is making the effort to cook for me. He never usually does things like that. So i will catch every one later.
demonangel :rasta:
Thank you for your e-mail regarding my Parties views on cannabis.
My colleagues and I continue to oppose the classification of cannabis
as
a class C drug. We believe that there is too much conflicting evidence
to deem cannabis as a safe drug as maybe suggested by the
re-classification.
Further my colleagues and I are concerned that cannabis can act as a
gateway to harder drugs. By taking away the stigma and punishment
involved in taking cannabis we are putting more and more people at risk
of taking more dangerous and addictive drugs. We have welcomed the
government's willingness to spear head a new advertisement and
information campaign however, the fact that they have not taken the
decision to re-classify cannabis as a class B drug makes it largely
self
defeating.
Thank you for your questions on this issue and if you have any other
queries on this or any other subject then do not hesitate in contacting
me.
Yours sincerely,
Jonathan Evans MEP (Wales)
Chairman of the Delegation for Relations with the U.S.
Not very good one this time but its a reply all the same.
demonangel :rasta:
^^^ nob, what do u do wiv ppl like that??? how dou convincem em otherwise
:sadcrying:
thc4ms were found guilty today, will be sentanced jan 29th
:chainsaw:
the judge was evil, demanding a guilty verdict
:Tomcat:
its war
what did the little plant ever do
:weedpoke:
[quote=elsie haze]:sadcrying:
thc4ms were found guilty today, will be sentanced jan 29th
y?
i haven't been here for a while sorry i was real busy on research, but i was just thinking the people are the government so, we have the right to make anything legal and from what i heard about thc4ms I'm now angry, its now time, time for freedom time for our voice to be heard, the time is now, I'll be back with more info in a couple of days or so.
do you know tha muffin man?
the muffin man?
the muffin man?
oh do you know tha muffin man who lives on drury lane?
no, does he sell hash cakes, lolQuote:
Originally Posted by MastaChronic
I am personally fond of that idea. if we overgrow and plant everywhere it will be a little to time consuming for the law to stop and pull every plant they find.Quote:
Originally Posted by KiEfBoyjBm
Not fond of the putting stickers everywhere, it will just create the stereotype that we are nothing but a bunch of mindless vandels.
Here's one instead of the million man march, let's meet up in DC itself and light a million joints :jointsmile: at exactly 4:20 local time. There's no way they can possibly bust a million people for smoking at the same time. . . is there? If anything we can for surely get the entire city stoned for a day :rastasmoke:
This has already been posted I am sure but it is worth a repeat in fact writing your public officials should be mandatory for membership to this site!!
I have been an active member of MPP for 3 years now and it is easy you just keep sending emails.
It is so easy now they show you who to write and even help you step by step.
Urge your legislators to end your state's failed war on marijuana!!!
Arresting and jailing adults for using marijuana has completely failed as a public policy, while wasting about $7.7 billion each year. In November 2006, 44% of Nevada voters endorsed a proposal to tax and regulate marijuana, tying the all-time record highest vote for a complete end to marijuana prohibition and demonstrating the continued growth of public support.
Please, ask your legislator to bring the reform to your state by proposing legislation to regulate marijuana.
Here is what the basic letter says you just click on what state you are in and it will take you to this form letter and show you the names of your state reps.
Marijuana prohibition has completely failed as a public policy. Despite more than 750,000 marijuana arrests annually, roughly 41% of Americans have tried marijuana. And roughly 85% of all teens report very easy or fairly easy access to marijuana each year. Any policy that fails this miserably should be reconsidered.
The Netherlands has done just that: In 1976, it replaced marijuana prohibition with the sale of marijuana on a regulated market. Policymakers sought to break the gateway from marijuana to hard drugs â?? figuring the stigma associated with the criminal market and the market itself were the gateways. And the policy has worked far better than the U.S. policy of prohibition. After 30 years, the Netherlands has a far lower marijuana use rate than the U.S. â?? and their hard drug use rate is even lower. In 2001, 3.0% of Dutch nationals were current marijuana users, while 5.4% of Americans were; and 0.4% of Dutch nationals had tired heroin, while 1.4% of Americans had.
Marijuana prohibition simply doesnâ??t make sense: It hasnâ??t worked, itâ??s wasted a fortune, and itâ??s destroyed otherwise law-abiding adultsâ?? lives simply for using a substance that is no more harmful than tobacco or alcohol. Itâ??s time to stop pouring our tax dollars into a failed policy.
Please let me know whether you will support ending marijuana prohibition. Thank you for considering this information. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on the issue.
http://www.mpp.org/site/c.glKZLeMQIs....BF78/Home.htm