If you don't repot won't your plants be stunted and not be able to properly flower? I'm just asking, I don't know........B
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If you don't repot won't your plants be stunted and not be able to properly flower? I'm just asking, I don't know........B
shouldnt u have flowered them by now, how old are they? and if u can, repot then just before u flower
Day 48
funny you should mention that pezzo ( they are 48 days old ), with me only having 5 plants, i wanted to get them quite large and established before flowering for max yield, and on looking at my plants a few minits ago, they have started showing pre-flowers....some nice white hair pairs sprouting out....verticle growth has slowed right down from what it was....
so i think they are trying to tell me somthing:cool: its almost 5 am here in the uk now and still dark outside, and the lights are due to go out at about 10 am for 18/6.
im gonna knock the lights off at dusk tonight and set the on time back
im gonna chance it and not re-pot:greenthumb: :greenthumb:
let 12/12 commence!!!!!!!!!!
hang on a minit, im getting confused here....it dosent take much, lol
there dark cycle is 6 hours during daylight, so im thinking ill give them an 18 hour night tonight(today) so i can move the new 12hr dark cycle to night time....saves me putting up my black-out curtain...another advantage of long winter nights!
note to self: remember to change the central heating timer shedule!!!
This is the best Grow guide for this strain on the net keep posting/updating :) I would have those monsters in at least a 3gal container, most likely a 5gal your gonna have to feed and water often good luck!
man urs is 7 weeks old and preflowering?! Mines 10 and only half way there, is that 7 weeks altogether or from sprout?
Mine are about five and half weeks old (39dys) and starting to show preflowers (just a little)...Congrats on the girls, babystarbud....your not going to repot?? Good Luck and great updating! B
mine have lots of green pistles all over the stem, i dont know what they are but there not white
thanks for the comments, its gonna be a long night tonight for them,
about 18 hrs so's i can shift the dark period across from daytime to nightime....its just easeyer for me that way.
pezo, the green "spurs" you see are a normal part of the plant, highlighted in red on the picture, the bits highlighted in black are the white hairs (pistils)
your growing WW arnt you? i guess ww just takes a bit longer...
thanks oldgrowerdude, and bree, i think your right about re-potting, but the fact is i just cant be bothered lol:jointsmile:
just hope it dosent slow them down too much:upsidedow
This is really exciting your a month ahead of me with the same strain (except mine is Not feminised) so it's like a window into the future! Excellent diagram by the way, and good photography. And I Know you dont intend to do it, but I would estimate you could get nearly 2x the yeild per plant (ie plants trimmed down to grow single huge colas) if you upped the size of the containers to at least a 3 gal (thats assuming those are 1 gallons but I did not see you specify). Again it should be fine as long as you feed lightly with every watering it actually kind of simulates hydroponics growing. Original hydroponics were done moving the water manually hundreds of years ago :) good luck!
I think your going to look like this in just a few short weeks :stoned: Can not wait for a smoke report! And oh ya, how much do they smell so far at this point do you think i'll need to run the ozone generator much?
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Originally Posted by babystarbud
Day 50, flower day 1....well its almost 2 i think but ill call it one for ease of calculation.
they had a good flush yesterday, followed by a full dose of bloom fert.
im using a 10-9-19 which is called vita-link and is a two part fert with micro-nutes included. its actually a hydro-nute, but has a dosage for soil on the bottle also, which is basicly half the ammount, (2ml of each part per liter of water)
some slight signs of over watering, but they did get a bloody good flushing the other day, and i dont want them going all floppy on me again, so i think u got the right idea oldgrowerdude, little and more often.
no probs pezzo.
oldgrowerdude, the pots are 9 inch wide at the top by 7 inch high, which makes them approx 2 gallons i think. thanks for the complement, it dosent help having an old camera thats probably less than 1 megapixel, but hey it does the job. will try to get my mates at some point which is 3 megapixels....should be much better pics for some bud-shots.
as far as smell goes, they deffinatley smell more than my last crop, which was a bag-seed sativa dominant...but these smell more like nice rich hash than skunk/weed.
its kinda worrying because i get de-sensitised to the smell, so i have to be carefull to air-out the house every few days, which i uppose is also good for the plants.
i have a good inline fan sucking the air out of the closet, up into the loft but ive got it wired so it turns off when the lights go out, and when the lights go out, you can really smell them if your in the same room. other rooms are ok aslong as the doors shut.....i have got a carbon filter, but the smell hasnt reached the point where i think i need it yet, although i think it might do in a week or so.
one of ur fan leaves is doing the same as mine man! curling under, look in the second pic on the left.
Is that coz u overwatered it when u flushed it or was it doing that already?
yeh, theres a few doing that, it only on the darker coloured leaves so im hoping its over watering, next few days will tell...hope its not root-bound.
i just checked some of your posts, how of ten and how much do you water, what size pots are you using?
plants are at different stages, started em at different times...
used to have a spray thing, which i used to spray untill top was wet. plant grew well but kinda slow.
i read on a few grow guides and such that u have to water untill water comes out the bottom of the pot. did that, it grew at the same speed and a while later i got this problem.
now just making a puddle of water on the surface once every day or so.
200ml will saok the whole of my pot wiv a little water coming out the bottom so i dont use that much, somethin like, well to wet the top thats all. 25 ml?
i did water my big plant tho, left a puddle on the top, water went straight thro and poured out the bottom! the pot is 11 inch high and 9 inch diamiter so... The soil is like rock u cant push ur finger thro it!
sounds like you got the same soil troubles i have got...too dense...
the grow guides are assuming that your soil has good drainage properties....trouble is when the soils too thick, excess water is trapped and held in the soil, instead of running out the bottom, so... by watering untill you get run-off water is infact oversaturating the soil if your soil holds to much water.
which makes guessing ammounts and intervals for watering difficult.
the top few inches of soil appears bone dry and solid hard, but there is water locked away underneath.
its not ideal,
im gonna let them wilt slightly before i water next,
but i imagine ill be watering about 1 litre per plant every 3 days at the current rate they are drinking....but ill just have to play it by ear....watch this space....they were flushed goodstyle and fed bloom fert about mid-day on the 16th of december...so i predict next watering, when i see first signs of wilting either on 18th/19th.
sorry i cant be of much help, im kind of a beginner at this, its only my second real grow and i didnt have this drainage problem first time round (different soil)
Oh those are 2 gal. you should be in great shape then! Check out this set of pictures on pruning methods and my favorite to use on Indica strains "pinching" or "supercropping". You just squeeze the main shoot with your fingers (until it gives a bit) and it stops vertical growth and the plant bushes straight out! Its the perfect time to try it to if you were interested.
The one near the bottom where the guy is squeezing the plant with his fingers is the supercropping method.
http://www.drugs-forum.com/growfaq/1270.htm
You sure are freaking out alot about the soil but they look really good regardless of the slight error I think you will pull this off just fine :smokin:
thanks for the link, thats interesting ive kinda been thinking...
from my previous grow i know that some of the secondary flowers dont quite breach the canopy of fan leafs, resulting in little shitty buds on them, so i just chop 'em off at the main stalk?
ive done a picture showing the bits to be removed in red, the light green squiggles represent the bulk of the leaves, does that look about right?
That looks perfect dude another good diagram, I would make those pruning cuts EXACTLY 2 weeks in so you can appropriately decide what branches will grow the strongest buds (pruning bud plants is truly an art).
Man I'm so glad I came across this thread there really are no good pictures/guides for this strain so this is an Invaluable document to the cannabis communtity as a whole ;) . And by the way if you were to try the pinch method you would pinch right below where your main cola will form to improve side bud growth (ill try to get some good pics of it with mine.)
well yesterday, one of the plants flopped again, so they got another flush-type watering, but with no feed.
perked right back up again. these things can really drink!
so im having to step up my watering shedule, i think to every 48 hrs atleast.
im not sure if its good to use fert every time when watering this much, maybe a half dose, or a full dose every other watering.
im gonna fed then tonight, a liter of water each to damp down the soil, let it drain off, then a second liter with the fert added....see how it goes from there.
im not sure im gonna go chopping anything off, as most of the secondary flower site have streched and have thier heads in the main canopy.
that said, the primary flower hasnt streched yet, im not sure how dramatic this will be as its my first indica, hopefully it wont be as pronounced as it was in my last grow.
well i just watered, like i said in the above post and lifted the light up about 6inches, the tallest plant was just about touching the bottom edge of the reflector.
the below pics are the second smallest plant, but the best looking one, i think.
thats 3 times the size of mine! mines 10 weeks old.
one q, are the roots not at the bottom of the pot? that pot dosent look like the roots have a lot of room to breath, that mite be why it drinks so much and keeps flopping over
ive not noticed roots poking out the bottom, but i am under no illusions its getting pretty crowded in there!
i think these babies are gonna need pretty much daily attention till harvest....
if they make it that far.
i knew i should have got a puppy instead! lol
pezzo, dont dispare man, in a previous post you said your only running flourescent lights, they will get there, give them time....from what ive seen, yours look excellent for a 200watt cfl grow...keep the faith brother!
if mine make it to harvest, i will post some pics of the root ball, should be quite interesting lol:upsidedow
haha thanx man, what light u usin then?
hope urs works out, o and i know what u mean bout the puppy lmao
lol, puppies...
im using a 400 watt grolux HPS, with a power plant hood.
click here...http://www.aquaculture-hydroponics.co.uk/default.aspx
they do UK mail order, i got all my kit from them, i didnt get mail order though, i drove over to the shop, really helpfull and understanding people, i was gonna get a 600watt lamp but the guy convinced me to get a 400 because of my small space, and gave me some free vita-link nutes cos i spent over £150 or somthing.
5th day of flowering today:)
i think ive got the watering shedule just about right, im doing a 3 day plan on the watering, one day, a litre, next day half a litre, the day after, none.
the feed is given at full dose in the first litre watering....seems to be keeping them happy for now..
apart from that, not much to say, thares a few more hairs on it.
i am considering using another addetive to raise the "p" levels a bit, the fert its currently using is 10-9-19.....mind you, swapping for somthing like 2-10-10 might be better in 3 or 4 weeks, i dunno.:confused:
then again, if it aint broke dont try to fix it, i say...
i am thinking more P would be better though...
I would switch to that 2-10-10 As soon as possible, 10-9-19 is heavy on the Nitrogen. Some varieties will grow with 0-10-10 all through flowering and not skip a beat. Looking forward to updates.
day 57 (fd7) update,
watering shedule is now every 48 hours, consisting of a 1litre flush, allowed to settle for 1/2 hour, and then a litre with a full dose of fert, allow to settle then back under the lights.
tallest plant is now 39 inches from soil to the grow-tip, the shortest is 29 inch
so much for an indica dominant! lol, i guess this growth is the result of the sativa genes showing thier faces.
none of the plants have been trimmed or trained in any way, although they are in very close proximity, 5 plants in a 2.5 by 2 foot closet, so secomdary bud site are encouraged to grow straight up rather than outward.
new growth of fan leaves displaying much more sativa/hybrid-like blades, but i guess thats normal with flowering, smaller thinner leaves.
branches and some side shoots have nice purple tones,although leaves for the main part remain a good solid green.
steady progresson of pistil growth.
soil ph has droped from an average of 7 (at the start of the grow) to an average of about 6.8, which is interesting, A, because i would have thought it would be more acid than that by now, i guess thats because of some of the very generous waterings (lol) its had.
and B, the ph of the soil direcly after feeding is more like 6.4, i guess the soil mix is helping to stabalize/buffer the ph over time.
the light has been lifted again, now ~43 inches from soil level to the bulb.
every time i raise it i keep thinking those little secondary buds are getting further away from the light souce. with the next 5 skywalkers im definatley going to try some training after seeing some of the other grows on here!!!!
itll also enable me to do a direct comparison between natural weight Vs trained weight under the same conditions with the same plant.
oh, and happy christmas to everybody, keep on keepin' on
big love :)
Nice log, I'm at day 15 with similar stage as yours. Some over heating in my case, hopefully not too much damage.
Looking good Babystar! It's amazing how resilient cannabis is...I had similar beginnings to yours where my plants grew slowly and were stunted but they eventually came around and became healthy too.
thanks Pasfo and Doco :)
day 9 of flowering, these things are becoming little monsters, not that im complaining.
ive had to tie back the biggest one, and angle the reflector a bit in an attempt to get the best light coverage.
ive been moving them to my bath tub every 2 days to give them a good soaking...these things just keep on drinking, they have totally outgrown the pots but its to late to worry about that now lol:pimp:
theyve also been getting a full dose of fert every 2 days.
so much for indica, these things are monsters!!!!!
they now smell quite sweet, as in candy-floss rather than citrus....the afghan smell has pretty much gone, although slight under-tones remain, they smell fucking lush:stoned:
my bloom fert is higher in "N" than i would like, and i cant help thinking that its contributing to the unwanted verticle growth, im gonna go get some different (~zero"N")fert ASAP>
i just hope i can keep up with the constant care schedule and not let them down...
day 11 of flowering
well if its not one headache, its another...ive had to tie back my tallest plant to keep it from going to far above the main canopy,
trouble is, ive got no string to tie it down to its pot, so its just tie-clipped to a power cable at the moment...only did it thismorning and its reaching for the sky again!!! >>>runs off to find some string...:confused:
i wanted to try out some LST at some point, but this isnt quite what i had in mind lol
any suggestions anyone...:confused:
i knew i kept tht old roll of speaker cable for a reason....lol
look at the state of it:clap: :yippee: :error:
some better looking ones having a bath:D
they all just got a 1.5x dose of bloom fert...i thought id give em a bigger hit as they are just eating it up at the moment
a couple ,more quick pics to show the density of these things...
im really really pleased with them so far:pimp:
it is tempting to remove a few leafs to let the light into the inner parts, or pin them back or somthing
Looking GREAT! DO NOT remove any healthy fan leaves!! Simply push them back or down with your hands below the bud sites you are trying to expose. Just a few more days and then your planning on pruning that scraggly growth at the bottom I guess.... Then a couple days more staring before harvest.... Then :stoned: Get stoned! Keep growing!
day 63 (fd13)
thanks man,
the tied down one is coming on well, they al got some of my new feed today and seem to have taken it well so far, the 10-25-25.
its my first time using a soluble powder type fert so i was a bit aprehensive but they seem a-ok
some more pics..:D
They filled out your grow room in no time holy cow! I firmly believe that almost ANY fertilizer can work well if used properly (as instructed). Looking at your crop makes me want to top mine early in veg growth, or possibly supercrop them partway in. That would work well in my situation since I need to snag as many clones as possible off them before I flower them and choose a mother plant.
And whatever you put on them seems to have done the trick the leaves are perking straight up thats a good sign! And I cant get over how thick those Main Stalks are you could throw them on a lathe and make a baseball bat when your done I think :)
I'm guessing a yield around 5-6 oz (at the least) What kind of yields do you usually get from this set up with other strains?
well, if the buds grow as good as the rest of the plant, i will be a happy farmer, lol
ive only had one previous grow with this set up, 6 plants about 6 oz,
now ive got 5 plants because 6 gets a bit crowded...but they are quite a bit more bushy than the last lot, so its just (if not more) crowded.
so going by my last grow, about 5oz....but....
these plants are so much more vigarous than the last ones (an unknown but good quality bagseed), a total different league....so im secretly hoping for 8-10oz of this batch....i hope i havent just jinxed myself by saying that!