yeah Cannibisaurus my oven does the same, about 30-50 degrees higher and then it goes down lower than the set temperature.
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yeah Cannibisaurus my oven does the same, about 30-50 degrees higher and then it goes down lower than the set temperature.
Hi Friends,
Happy to see so many of you are having success with GD. Let's see if I can answer a few questions and help you get even better results.
1. Increase the Amount of Ethanol for a Better Extraction
It occurred to me that maybe I could improve the extraction efficiency by using a larger volume of solvent (the ethanol). Think about dissolving salt in water, if you use a larger volume of water you can dissolve more salt before the solution becomes saturated and the salt falls out. Shouldn't the same properties apply to cannaboids in ethanol? So for my most recent batch, I started with 3oz of Everclear instead of the 2oz of rum (a 50% increase in volume as well as a more pure ethanol). After extracting for 20 minutes I had 2oz of GD remaining instead of the normal 1oz.
If my previous extraction method was perfectly efficient, you would predict that the new GD would only be half as strong as the old GD since the same amount of cannaboids were now dissolved in 2oz instead of 1oz. Happily, the new GD was almost as strong as the old GD. This means that by increasing the amount of solvent (ethanol) for my extraction, I was able to extract more cannaboids (goodies).
Thus, it is okay (probably even preferable) to use more ethanol for your extraction as this seems to improve the efficiency of the extraction. It would be great if someone with a good deal of GD experience should test this out (how about you OKSmoky).
2. Boiling Temperature
Ethanol boils at 172°F. It is really hard to make the temperature go above 172 without doing something really dangerous. Just use the water bath, let the ethanol boil, and it should stay right on 170°F-172°F. Relax, float downstreamâ??if it is boiling, you are doing fine.
3. Green Tea
Following up on the idea of Green Beer (aka Dragon Tail Ale for you microbrew fans), I have invented Green Tea. Put your dropper or two of GD into a nice cup of your favorite tea, add honey if you like, and sip away. Have a tea party. Personally I prefer a nice black tea like Darjeeling (and I like calling black tea green tea). It hits slower than Green Beer, but faster than a dropper alone. BTWâ??this also means you can now make lollipops or other happy confections.
4. Boiling Off the Alcohol
If it looks like you have boiled off too much of the alcohol, you can probably just add more. If you were to boil off all the ethanol you would probably be left with some sort of resin (hmmm). The THC should not evaporate unless the temperature goes over 380°F (vaporization point of THC) if the solvent evaporates.
5. Nonâ??what do we do with you?
- You must follow the directions.
- Don't be high when you do this.
- Don't ever put the ethanol in the ovenâ??BOOM!
- Bud NOT schwag.
- Have a friend help you. Preferably someone who did pretty good in chemistry class.
Master Wu
the Alchemist
Master Wu,
I made this per your instructions the other day and it worked great, just wanted to say THANKS!!
I was nervous about boiling it so I did it in a double boiler. Couldn't get it to a high enough temp in the db so I ditched it and went bk to your instructs. Easy to follow, great results! I love having dosing options!
well I'm jealous. I did follow instructions. I've tried decarboxylation with all the recommended temps. Why oh why does simple cause and effect not work for me...
You are a genius.
here i go.... just made a batch. used 2g of chronic, 2.5oz Everclear (which in CA you can get if you go on base!), and just finished making it. gonna sit here and see what happens. ill get pictures of what my final product looked like. Wu, do you have pictures of what you call "green-brown" vs. "emerald green"?
Kwijibud,
Thanks for reminding me about the color. When I said the color of GD should be green-brown I was using 151 Rum (dark of course). Now that I have switched to using Everclear the color of the GD is a much more lovely deep emerald green.
So don't fret if you get a nice green colored GD when using clear spirits.
Master Wu
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the alchemist
woah. woah woah woah!
okay, so i ended up w/ about 1.5oz of GD. it was emerald green in straight light, little darker (forest green) on a dark background. i wasnt sure how much to dose so i just started scooping it out w/ a flat spoon into a cup. (i need to get a dropper for more consistency).
so i didnt smoke (obviously) to see if this stuff really works. im a pretty big smoker so i thought i would need a lot to get faded. i also hadnt eaten in a long while. pretty empty stomach.
1/2 hour later i was like "um... i think im feeling something. it could be the everclear i guess"
1 hour later i was like "boy im sitting here at my computer not knowing what to do." so i stood up and was tipsy.
1.5 hours later i was walking around aimlessly like "What the fizuck??!~?!?" i was stoned off my ass.
2 hours later i was laughing hysterically for no reason. i was toasted. toasted toasted toasted!!
the whole thing lasted about 5 hours (6 hours after consumption) and lingered for another hour or so.
let me just say i was pretty skeptical about the whole thing but now im a firm believer! this is great especially since ive been having some coughing problems lately. this totally eliminates smoking. however, it does require a full day of being stoned (im not complaining!)
thanks Wu. awesome recipe. awesome results.
i just gave my Girlfriend a hefty dosage on an empty stomach, so we'll see what happens.
thanks
Last week I added a about 1.5 oz everclear to the mixture I had left, boiled it a little and then let it sit to cool down and ended up with about 15mL. Thursday I took about 1.5mL and was a little buzzed for a few hours, but nothing major. Saturday I woke up at 11 and took 3mL on a completely empty stomach. About half an hour later I really started feeling it and I was completely ripped until about 5 or 5:30. This mixture was made with schwag so I'm excited to see what I can do with good bud. Thanks Master Wu!
Another question that came to mind though. How long do you think it is able to sit before it separates (if it ever does)?
Hey Master Wu, good to see you are still experimenting. Mind if I post more of your results on Green Dragon Recipes (Marijuana Drink) ? I will probably update that in the next few weeks when I have some time.
Last fall I did a little experiment, and I believe I found the most convenient method for making green dragon:
1. Microwave *dry* weed on high for 2 minutes. NO ALCOHOL IN MICROWAVE.
2. Place 1/2 gram of crumbled weed in a dry, clean, empty glass bottle that is used for iodine water purification tablets. Fill all the way with lemon extract (90% alcohol). Do not use the iodine tablets, only the bottle. Make sure the lid is metal with metal threads. This prevents bursting from vapor pressure.
3. Place bottle inside a black light-proof sunglasses case or camera case. Leave on the dashboard of your car for several days in the sun. For some areas this will only work in the summertime when it's at least 90F outside.
It can be very strong! I accidentally got really high at a music festival by drinking this. :-)
what if i wrap the weed inside tinfoil (airtight) while baking it at the beginning so that it won't stink up the house? will i need to bake for an extra minute or sumthing?
also, will there be less odor if i use the microwave for 2 minutes?
great recipe tho, can't wait to try it. would it work with any kind of alochol beverage to some extent? i only have an 80 proof bacardi lyin around..
woops double post sorry
I think this is your problem, doesn't the recipe say 325 degrees for 5 minutes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Non
Anyway I haven't tried this yet but plan on doing so very soon. Sounds like if its done right you really get a bang for your buck. 30 servings from an 8th :O
I've tried the temp at 325 thing, but my oven thermometer says it goes over 325 degrees. And I've seen other decarboxylation methods that call for 150 degrees for 15 minutes. Plus I read that weed starts decarboxylating at the temp 240 or so, and at the set temp of 170 to 180, it goes to 240 at times. So I set it there thinking that should be fine... I read that thc is vaporized around 340-50(?) and if I set my oven at 325 itll go higher than that, but also then lower, and higher again, then lower, etc.
Maybe 275-300 degrees could work, just need a time frame.. I guess 6-9 mins?
Damn! I went to a St Patty's day part and this would of gone over great. We all smoked but we all would have been that much more fucked up! I'm making this on Tue so thanks and I hope it turns out perfect.
anyone know a method of making green dragon in a freezer or in cold temperatures just above freezing?? like if I'm making a tincture by just letting the bud sit in alcohol for some time, except in cold temperatures.
I doubt it would do anything since, alcohol has a lower freezing temp...
I've been trying to make a green dragon tincture using about an ounce of lemon extract and half a gram to a gram of 'crippy', lots from roaches in a 2 ounce dropper bottle, sitting next to a window in an eyeglasses case.
It's been out there about 3-4 days. a lil more than 3. I wonder when it's going to be ready. and if i'd have to drink the whole thing to have an effect on me and even the bud or I can just do dropperfuls. Also i stuck it in the freezer one time for some time, wondering if that could make the extraction process faster or more potent. maybe drinking it cold would make it better too..?
i dont see how that makes any sense non considering the only reason this works would be the prebake of the buds and the simmering in the alcohol. but goodluck with it maybe something could turn out lol
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Originally Posted by Non
wow u sound desperate
Made 2 batches for St. Patty's Day and it was a hit! All over the SF Bay Area people are praising Master Wu for the Green Dragon. Btw, young hot nurses seem to love riding the Green Dragon! :thumbsup:
well I found a good decarboxylation temperature with my oven at 225 for 5 minutes or so. doesn't go above 250 which is when some of the cannabinoids start boiling.
Could I also make large batches like master Wu's just with lemon extract?
ok, read the package...does the extract have a high alcohol content?Quote:
Originally Posted by Non
now read the instructions...do the instructions say to use something with a high alcohol content?
if the answer to both of these questions is yes then i think that you can do the math by yourself
lol, yeah. damn I hate when I can't sleep. I have this back problem..
I didn't know that 75-80 percent is high alcohol content, since I thought 151 rum had more.
hm well I think I got it to kind of work with weak schwag ? except that I used some extract with propylene glycol, I bought 2 bottles of extract, one orange and one raspberry, thinking they were both the same but they weren't.
I just drank the whole thing, and I've been feeling something...
Hell yea! I know what I'm drinking for 420 lol. Anyway take care and who ever thought of this thread is a genius. Thanks Master Wu
lol non - u crack me up man :thumbsup:
I made a double batch a week ago and I've been in a haze ever since. Shit get's you wasted... I've been waking up high. Thanks, Master Wu.
Bah! I baked about an 8th of good dank for exactly 5 mins until it smelled, put 2.5 oz of everclear and the weed into the mason jar for the water bath, and cooked it at about 166 or so(couldn't quite get up to 170) for 20 minutes. Strained it and pressed it out.. we only ended up getting like 9 ml of it and it wasn't potent at all =\
I feel like 'non' but it pisses me off because I followed directions perfectly! Did the 5 degrees really make all the different, you think?
O.K. I just finished reading this whole thread, and I would love to try it. I have a bottle of Everclear (190 proof), and enough bud. I just had a couple quick questions. First, I have read all the steps but I seem to have missed the part on storing it. Are you able to save it, or do you have to drink it often? Second, Isn't this also a process for making honey oil? What's the differance between the two???
ok, here it is, how does it look. . .
Has anyone tested the potency over an extended amount of time? How long are you able to keep this stuff before or if it goes bad?
My first try at Green Dragon is a success. I used 2 oz. of Everclear, 1/8 oz of good bud. At 8:00 A.M. I mixed 1 gr. of Dragon with 1 shot of Mtn. Dew. I now have a nice, maintainable buzz going on now. Tomorrow morning I will try 1 1/2 gr. The experiment goes on.
nice!
damn i reallly wanan try this, but im just as curious as the people above me on storage times..how long can i keep it in the fridge before it separates? or does it separate at all?
cause damn, 30 hits of this shit sohould last at least like..30 days rite?:P i dont wanna be making a batch this size if it goes bad in like 2 days or something, you know?
anyone have personal experiences with this issue?
I've kept a batch around for 3 months and it still works fine. Just make sure you store in a dark place. Also, it never separates (as far as i can tell). :jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by BBoyShotty
Ummm I didnt feel like reading past the first page, so I dont know how many times this question has been answered, but...
To the people curious of what a water bath is... Watch "Menace 2 Society" again. You get a saucepan and put a couple of inches of water in it and put it on the stove to simmer. Put your weed and alcohol in an uncapped mason jar and place the jar in the pan so that the heated water heats up the mason jar. Get it??
As far as the THC evaporating with the other vapors... substances that evaporate do so because they have been heated to their vaporizing point. Waters boiling point is 212F but it begins to steam much sooner than that. The vaporizing point of THC is about 375-380, and since the simmer is less than half that, no. The THC is safe from evaporating with the rest of the alcohol and water.
By water bath I'm assuming that you put the mason jar of alcohol/weed in a boiling pot of water. Am I correct about this?
Man, if this stuff is really as potent as you would make it seem I'll have to try it.
But I won't be using Everclear, even though I could. It seems too dangerous to have that much Everclear near something that hot. Everclear is 95% alcohol (190 proof) for those who don't have it where they live. Very very very flammable.
Crap. I thought there was only one page of this. Well, I guess I will use Everclear if this many people have had success with it.
Also, while reading this topic I thought something. Some of the people here may be having problems because they are measuring the temp. of the water during the water bath process instead of the temp. of the weed/alcohol mix. It might be worth 2 or 3 degrees difference. Just a thought.
I am very surprised that no one has asked Master Wu to check his facts regarding the temps THC actually begins to vaporize.
He claims that THC begins to vaporize at 380F(195C). Well THC actually begins to vaporise from as low as 280F(140C). Hell my Volcano is set to vaporise at 360F(180C)!!!
I would strongly suggest that you should in fact use a temp below 280F to get the most out of your bud. Apart from this..It is an interesting thread.