Thank you. You do make a good point as well thou. To those that are born into religion. I suggest questioning it but never loose yourself by doing so. Roots baby roots.
Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ
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Thank you. You do make a good point as well thou. To those that are born into religion. I suggest questioning it but never loose yourself by doing so. Roots baby roots.
Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ
"Why is it that if someone has made up thier own mind and chooses to follow what the Bible and Jesus say's it's not making up thier own mind?".
Well mainly because you are looking to a source for guidance through one's life. e.g. I have a problem in my life, I will consult the bible to help me through this. Maybe in your view Jehova's Witnesses are justified in allowing their children to die, instead of having blood transfusions, but in my morality they are not. Also, I'd rather you didn't accuse me of slander. You might have confused 'slander' with 'logical argument'. You might feel I am personally attacking Christians, but maybe that's because you feel your beliefs cannot be questioned. I don't feel like that; if there was conclusive evidence of God's existence, or if I ever felt his 'presence' in any way, i would be the first to convert. I'm sorry if i've offended you Rev, but when you believe something, you have to understand there are always going to be people who believe something else, just as strongly as you. As for the reply to Ghostoker's comment "alot of people are born with out religion, and never question it", that doesn't really hold up. The point you should make is that both sides are equally blinkered, but someone who lives without religion and lives by common sense and empirical evidence, is a lot less likely to convert to a religion after questioning their beliefs than vice versa.
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Mr. Chinnery-
I do believe you have ill will against Christians because I don't see where else in any other religion topic you've posted. In fact you started a thread that says as a title "Baiting Christians". You also posted a question trying to trap Christians. In my mind by just those two things you are against Christians. Thats not even counting the other posts by you. I don't care if you disagree with me thats your life choice. Who am I to question you? I spread what I believe to be God's good news of forgiveness. Thats all, wheather you "convert" or not doesn't bother me one bit. I would love to hang out in heaven with you thats why I tell you what I believe but again it's your choice. You don't offend me by what you say because I have heard it all before and a little worse. My beliefs come into question everyday by others so I don't feel my beliefs are unquestionable but if thats how I'm coming off I will make it a point not to be like that. About Jahove Witnesses, I witness to them as well. I have five verses from the Bible I question them about so it's not only pot heads I try to reach I try to reach everyone I talk to. I don't agree with there idea's over blood transfusions and if I had a relative that was one and had a child that needed one I would kidnap the child and make sure it lives. But thats just me imposing on others beliefs as you feel I do often. One day you will feel God's presence and I hope that you do talk with him and ask him the questions like "Can you create a rock...." Maybe he will have a better answer then I do. May my Lord watch over and protect you from all harm and hurt. God Bless.
Rev. Michael T
Soldier for Christ
I have no ill will towards Christians per se, just Christianity and religions in general. You've mistaken my scepticism as personal attacks, but that's not the case. I understand why you feel it's personal, but nothing I say is intentionally offensive. I'd love to have a chat with God, but I doubt his answers would be any better...
I'ld like to thank you guys for an intelligent and thought provoking debate. The fact that you are mature enough to be respectful of one anothers views only enhance your opinions. It's nice to see that there are some Wonderful people here that set an example of tolerance for others and their beliefs.
THE THC MINISTER RULES SUPREME
I personally love smoking pot I refrain because to me it is clearly wrong. I your Christianity is just a hobby you than you probably don't care about that.
God made arsenic and mercury so should we put it in a pipe and smoke it?
I smoked everyday for about ten years grew it in Hawaii carried it internationally.
I think pot is much safer then cigs and alcohol. It is hard on the lungs but can be vaporized.
I can think of plenty of reason to smoke and love the way it makes me feel.
It is illegal and does not go well with ministry.
All man sins so I don't think it prevents one from entering heaven just makes one less effective in ministry. If you are not in ministry "actively spreading Gods truth" then you are in my opinion a hobbiest.
Romans 3:23 for all have sinned and fall short of Gods glory.
It is an up hill battle for all.
Thats why he gave us help "a savior"
Romans 13:1-2 tell us to be in subjection to the superior authorities even as we are to God. further, we are to be in relative subjection to kings and governors as they have their positions due to God's allowance. (1Peter 2:13-17)
Considering it as obeying God, we would want to view obeying tax laws and traffic laws as the same whether someone is watching or not. That is part of what Christian integrity means.
Mike, if they ban worshiping the Christian faith, should you obey the laws of the land. How about if they begin to force immunizations (a very real possibility).
Let me give another example, the draft. We now have war on many fronts. If drafted would you go? How about for a war you believed was unjust (if you considering the current just).
We live (the US) in the most litigious country in the world (possibly in the history of the world). We have prisons full of people who did nothing other than smoke a plant you can grow in your back yard and which has been both legal and part of world cultures since the beginning.
Regarding ministry...
Please define this for me... Are you speaking of the Apostolic succession of the Priesthood? If you talking about each persons responsibility to "minister" in their environment I would say anything in excess would have a negative impact, including herb. However, if kicking back in my home office for a few minutes and burning a bowl allows me shut down the stress of the day and roll in the floor with my kids and spend quality time with them... well, let's just call it ministry.
Hello Rev. How do I join your church or however you have it labled?? I am very much interested and I admire your work.
To whom are you addressing your question? If it is to me, Orthodoxy is everywhere and they are all about the same. The only personality Orthodoxy pushes is that of Jesus Christ. As a result, who the priest may be is less relevant. Ping me directly and I would be happy to help you find a parish.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sil3ntSpirit
There is a tremendous amount of confusion among Christian people about what the Bible says about smoking marijuana. I believe I am qualified to speak on this subject. As a Christian, I smoked marijuana for two years before I quit. I am also a pharmaceutical chemist. I have learned how to take the THC out of the plant, leaving behind the pure cannabinoids that heal the body without the stone. I am also a grower. I do not provide my patients with bud, hash, or oil, only THC free medicine.
(Everything in quotes below is a quotation from the Bible)
Most Christians get hung up on Genesis 1:29,31. Yes, no one can deny that Jesus Christ made marijuana. ??Without him was not anything made that was made.? That??s why I started smoking marijuana. I thought God approved the smoking of marijuana based on that one scripture. But you can not base your doctrine on just one scripture. The Bible teaches, ??In the mouth of two or three witnesses let every word be established.? So let??s look at some more scriptures, at least 3 to establish the truth. In this case there are way more than just 3.
First, let??s try to get an insight into Genesis 1:29,31. The instructions in that scripture for the proper use of marijuana is to eat it. When you eat it, you are eating THC-A. That is the acid form of THC. You will not get stoned eating THC-A, but you will get the health benefits. If you heat marijuana, you break off one hydrogen atom, one carbon atom and two oxygen atoms, leaving THC, the chief psychoactive component of marijuana.
What is the problem with Christians getting high?
Jesus Christ was not high during his earthly ministry. ??In him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.? ??He had the Holy Spirit without measure.? It is preposterous to think that the Most High God would need to create a substance outside of himself in order to somehow to advance or improve in some way as the eternal Creator and Savior of mankind. Had Jesus been sitting in front of a campfire passing a joint around with his disciples the eyewitness, gospel historians, for sure, would have written that down. That would have been a big deal. The sin of sorcery which violates the laws of God was common in the days of Jesus, as it was before he was born. The sin of sorcery is condemned in both the Old Testament and the New Testament. For Jesus to smoke marijuana would have meant he was breaking his own laws. He could have never been the pure, holy, undefiled sacrifice for sins had he been involved in the sin of sorcery. More on exactly what the sin of sorcery is later.
Jesus Christ drank wine, but he didn??t get drunk. We know he drank wine because he was called a winebibber. His first miracle was to turn water into wine. He was not drunk because he commanded us, ??not to be drunk with wine wherein is excess, but to be filled with the Spirit.? He did not disobey his own law.
The Bible is clear, ??Let this mind be in you that was also in Christ Jesus.? ??Arm yourself with this same mind.? ??God has not given us a spirit of fear, but a spirit of power, love and a sound mind.? Remember, we only need 2-3 scriptures to prove our point. Here we see that these 3 scriptures command us to have a sound mind. If Jesus was not stoned during his time on the earth, according to these 3 scriptures, we can not be stoned either. Here is a 4th scripture. ??As he is, so are we in this world.?
At one point I was smoking marijuana around my children. What a great example as a father I was! A man of God smoking marijuana in front of two teenage sons who are also struggling with marijuana smoking! ??I will not eat meat if it makes my brother stumble.? There is a 5th scripture. That??s another reason not to smoke marijuana. If it causes someone to stumble, don??t do it. Marijuana smoking is not accepted by the Christian community. No one will endorse you or support your ministry if you break the laws of God, and then say it is not wrong. There is no such thing as a THC Minister. They cause other Christians and sinners to stumble who are weak. ??It would be better to have a millstone hung around your neck, and cast into the sea, than to cause one of these little ones to stumble.? That??s a 6th scripture.
No one, but no one, whether they are Christian or not, condemn me for the THC free products I make from marijuana. Because they won't get you stoned. That??s a legitimate use of the marijuana plant. I am healing all kinds of skin diseases with these products.
Now let??s talk about pharmakia. During the two years I was a stoner, I did one internet search after the next trying to figure out what the word pharmakia meant. Unfortunately, most of the Christian websites that denounce marijuana are written by people who have never smoked or grown marijuana. There is no way they can relate to people who smoke it.
Pharmakia means pharmacy. I could never figure out how the Bible translators went from the English word pharmacy to what at first glance seems to be two completely unrelated words ?? sorcery and witchcraft. What does a pharmacy have to do with sorcery or witchcraft? Not only are the words sorcery and witchcraft suggestive of demons and demonic activity, but the Bible goes so far to say that those who are sorcerers will go to hell. ??Sorcerers will have their place in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone.? ??Sorcerers will not inherit the Kingdom of God.? This is serious business. You can lose your salvation if you partake in the sin of sorcery. So do your homework after you read this paper. Do you want to go through your life thinking you are saved, but come to the moment of your death only to be sentenced to eternal condemnation in the lake of fire? ??Behold, many will come in that day and say, Lord, Lord, did I not prophecy in your name. He will say to them, Depart from me you workers of iniquity. I never knew you.? Jesus is talking to Christians involved in sorcery, among others.
The Greek words pharmakeia, pharmakeus and pharmakos, are translated witchcraft, sorceries and sorcerers in the New Testament. These three words are derived from the Greek word pharmakon, which means drugs or magic potions. Whatever the Bible means by sorcery it means that drugs are involved in some way.
So what do you have to do to be viewed by God as a sorcerer?
The Bible interprets itself. It tells us what sorcery is. Let??s take a look. In Acts 8 there is a famous sorcerer named Simon. He was imitating the miracles done by the Holy Spirit through the apostles. I have no idea how Simon did those miracles. Drugs were involved, but I don??t know exactly how Simon got his power from the devil through drugs to do that. I was never, and I doubt if any of you know how to do this kind of sorcery either. Probably there are witches somewhere out there who know how to do it.
In Isaiah the sorcerers were acting as mediums, or conjuring up the spirits of the dead. Drugs were involved, but once again I can not tell you how they did it. I was never involved with this kind of demonic activity either.
In Jeremiah the sorcerers were prophesying falsely. Ah ha! This is where we miss it as Christians. We are acting as false prophets when we smoke marijuana. I will explain.
Most every Christian has had supernatural experiences with Jesus Christ. I mean it is impossible to meet your Creator, the very all knowing Savior himself, and not have great spiritual encounters with him. I call them God moments?the times when Jesus shows up. I love it. I live for it. ??Draw close to God and he will draw close to you.?
Most Christians I know believe that they are having a spiritual experience when they smoke marijuana. They are right. I hadn??t smoke marijuana in 35 years when I took my first toke of Pit Bull, the most potent marijuana plant in the world. That??s the genetics I use for my medicine.
My first experience smoking Pit Bull ushered me into a spiritual realm that I believed was part of God??s Spirit. I had never been in that world before as a Christian. The experience seemed so extraordinary?fantastic even. I thought God was speaking to me. I kept a journal of what I was hearing. In the beginning the subject matter was always the Bible, evangelism, and how to treat my wife and children. I was so convinced that God was talking to me that I began to believe that everything I was hearing while stoned were direct words from God himself. Then when I came down from the high I would do what the voice had told me to do without questioning it?things I would never have done unless I had received the ??revelation? while I was stoned. Those ??revelations and insights? however nearly destroyed my finances, my marriage, my family, and my ministry.
The spirit of pharmakia is a demonic spirit. It attacks Christians when they smoke marijuana. How do I know the spirit of pharmakia is not God? More than enough scriptures have already been provided to prove that God wants us to have a straight mind, a sound mind, a THC free mind. God does not speak to you when you are stoned. But you think he is. The net results from smoking marijuana leads to confusion. It does not happen overnight. It happens over time, little by little. In the end, ??A Kingdom divided against itself can not stand.? Christians who are involved in sorcery usually have a deaf and dumb spirit following them, as well as a spirit of poverty. Now?I am trying to stay scriptural, but I can??t prove that last sentence from the Bible. It is just something I have observed. I did not prosper financially as a stoner. My workers, all stoners, don??t prosper either. My neighbors harvest, but never build a solid financial base. Now that I am back in my straight mind I am on my way to greater victories in every area of my life, including financial.
This is scary stuff man! You think God is talking to you, but he is not. You are deceived. It is a spiritual trick. It is the spirit of pharmakia, a demonic spirit, who sounds very much like God. So, when you think that God is really talking to you, and you start to say out of your mouth, and to do the things you hear while stoned?things that are in all actuality from the devil?this is a form of sorcery known as false prophecy.
Jesus said, "It is not what goes into a man that defiles a man, it is what comes out of a man." Brother! For you to speak and to act on words that you think came from God that actually came from a demon spirit is a sin so vile in the sight of God that he will send you to hell forever for practicing it. Jesus said, ??I am the door.? There is another proof text for you. The door into the Kingdom of God or into the Spirit world is through him, not through marijuana plus Jesus. It doesn??t work that way. To do otherwise Jesus said ??makes you a thief and a robber.? To want marijuana so much that you want to stay stoned all the time is to put a false god before the real God. This breaks the first commandment, ??You shall have no other God??s before me.? That??s another proof text. So what??s the bottom line to all of this?
Jesus said, ??If you love me, keep my commandments.
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