We're all mutts, Masta, and everyones DNA goes back to Africa.Quote:
Originally Posted by MastaChronic
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We're all mutts, Masta, and everyones DNA goes back to Africa.Quote:
Originally Posted by MastaChronic
^word, what i mean by mutt is i have recent lineage to practically all colors
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Walking trails, soaked by our tears
Traveling miles and miles from home
Blood still stains the ground we walked
Soaking into the roots of trees
Giving strength to mother earth
This land is not their land
Head held high above the torment
Tousands die in wars
Murdered, killed, and slaughtered
Hear the hearts of our lost warriors
Beating to the pounding drum
This ground was once ours
Now a wasteland of destruction
Polluting the waters we drink
Polluting the air we breathe
Forced in the corner suffocating
Outcasts grouping for the next to ride
Through a smoke filled remonition
Tellers of the future speaking of the new beginning
One warrior will rise to defend against this place
A killa of anybody, who goes against you and I
Thousands of souls giving him power
Anybody kills until the future is fulfilled
Through darkness light shines under the rain from the diamonds
Showering upon the same roots
Roots that we shared with blood
Let those roots bring the tree
The tree that brings truth to this beginning
-ABK
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On the history of the world .... In no war has 2 sides been equal or it would be called a draw, somebody always has the upper hand, back in the crusades, the african wars, the war of 1812, the settlement of north america was just another invasion and there is never any way to do it without bloodshed and somebody looses. War is not a pretty thing and maybe if we can all stay home and spend some time with our families and respect our present borders we would all be better off.
But what the heck do I know I'm just a stupid vet.
How many retard pills you take today you racist prick?Quote:
Originally Posted by MastaChronic
I'm a biker,but Stugis is just a yuppie SUV trailer party for most people who say they are bikers.Most real bikers don't even go near downtown anymore due to LEO's(undercover and otherwise).Also,it's very hard to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person.You can't fix stupid.Real bikers would not disturb sacred lands.We have such a lack of respect for everything these days.Parenting or lack of has a lot to do with this.People are so self-centered ,they think it's all about them.That is my two cents.It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool ,than to open your mouth and prove it. BTW I was there in 1990 and I rode mine.
Yea those poor indians they never tied people to fire ant beds, or scalped women and childred while they where still alive, buried people up to there necks and left them to die. They were just honest hard working hunter gatherers. Yeah right the were blood thirsty savages and if they where in charge to day there would be no America. Also I am really tired of the small pox on the blanket thing, this has been proven to be false.
problem is, there's other countries out there that would take us over in a secondQuote:
Originally Posted by budsmoker
Yes lets replace our firearms with bow and arrows and take away all the industry which feeds and cloths American. 80% of Americans couldn't survive in the wild and why would we want to take giant steps backwards? America would cease to be a power in the world and 100,000's of people would perish. If no one ever took any land from anyone the world would be a very different place, if you dont think Indians had wars with other tribes and took land from them that's just ignorant.
Its only natural both in the human and animal kingdom, people try so hard to be PC...its just the way things go. The strong survive and the weak perish or go somewhere else. Besides it would be pretty nice to live on a reservation and have tons of cash rolling in from the casinos which pay for education and needs in full. I wish someone would give me cash for my heritage. You cant make everyone happy.....ever.
People should be independent thinkers and not have there mind made up for them by society. I bet most people would quickly change their minds after getting invaded and having to deal with a hostile takeover.
Hello,
I am a full blooded Cheyenne American Indian, I belong to A.I.M. and I fight for my people. In 1980 the Doctors were taking out the reproduction parts of our young females. Ages were from 13 to 16, It is funny how people think that Indians are savages. We are very mother earth friendly. And yes booze makes us crazy. We have not had years of drinking to get us used to it. So like any race who has not had the years to get used to something, drugs, booze, we fall down. I have lost all of my family to booze.. I do not say this for you to feel sorry for me. It is just fact. And yes the smallpox was given to the Indians of that time. All of the killin way back when, was started by the white man. the scalping , was taught by the white man. We fought for what was ours. Just like you would fight for yours. All of the Indians that I know joined the armed serves, during all of the wars that America has fought. There were no draft dogers. Even though we did not believe in that war. We are a proud people. If this was a White church there would be no problems. (canucktoker) I have had my own welding shop for many years. And I have been able to run it very well. An average of 200,000.00 to 600,000.00 per year. I put up big buildings. what do you run?? but your mouth. get your facts correct. look at what your Industries are doing to the world. soon there will be no Mother earth. the white man is killin the world. but its ok, it wont happen in our life time!! Right. Savage.. thats me..
There absolutely needs to be responsible use of the plants resources...I also believe the greenhouse effect is more of a natural cycle...in a few generations the temps will begin to drop putting us in the direction of an ice age, but as far as use of crude oil and deforestation that needs to slow dramatically but wont until another energy source is found. People of all races and all times do terrible things to each other. I dont think anyone has a reason to be pissed off about something that happened generations back. I dont think Indians are savage at all....I respect and admire that lifestyle just as much as I respect and admire biker lifestyle. Every race has done terrible things as well as good...where do you get all your energy and resources to run your business from? How does that impact the environment?
Everyone should take a good hard look at the big picture and form your own individual view. I believe in making the most of your life...in the end it doesn't matter. The earth isn't impacted by us as much as most people think...we are fragile and pathetic compared to our plant. It will go through extreme cycles where a majority of things will die and then come back later on. We are all insignificant in the big picture really. Grains of sand on a beach.
Oh and I ride and bike and will be in Sturgis next year enjoying my life.
"People pray on that mountain and they can't pray when there's a bunch of drunks," said Veronica Kills In Water of Denver, a member of the Oglala Lakota tribe on the Pine Ridge Indian Reservation.
Yes you know what they where smoking out of there piece pipes.
Marijuana and salvia,
But its wrong to get drunk?
There is no law that states they can't make as much of noise as they want, Usally up to 10 pm in most states.
It's alright, us Native Americans, not "indians" are just gunna use the white man's greed to its fullest...come to our casinos oh gluttenous ones.
Columbus day should be ended.
Well said man.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackowl
Everyone seems to forget that the scalping started because of a bounty set on the indians by the EUROPEAN invaders, the scalp was collected and redeemed for cash for the dead.
Only savages invent ways to kill hundreds of thousands in one hit so I guess the biggest savages of all were Oppenheimer and his pals.
I didnt mean for my above post to sound like I hated American Indians, I just get so tired of hearing how the white man took the land away from them. Everybodys land was someones land before and it was usually taken by force.
I really did not know that Amercan Indians sacrificed slaves.. also the part about the various Gods, now that was really a good one! There where thousands of tribes. there were millions of Indians. we opened our arms to the pilgrams. I do not know where you get the facts that you do, but they are wrong. so what if we walked here, we were here before you. And yews this did happen a long time ago. So why then do we Indians have a group called A.I.M. Because we are still being wronged..Quote:
Originally Posted by slowthestone
ok then ,, well that went well. thank you, for what you have said. I have been an AIM member for over 20 yrs. and it is always the same. no matter what you say. people do not listen. No matter what you do, it is always the same. my name is Cheyenne M. Blackowl, I am a dissendant of Chief Dull Knife, Cheyenne. take care, CheyenneQuote:
Originally Posted by psychocat
I'm white and iv delt with discrimination on more than 1 occasion...so do blacks Mexicans and everyone else who isn't in the majority where they are at. Even if they are that still doesn't prevent it. Everyone has problems to deal with that have to do with race or social class. You seem to have done just fine for all the injustices that have been done to you...tons of people deal with the same shit everyday. You say we like you lived through the ages...I dont hold onto the injustices that were done to my ancestors and dont believe anyone should, that's what keeps people apart and pro moats segregation and dissimilar treatment even more.
Hello Cyclonite,
Yes I too have dealt w/discrimination, I am Married to a white women. :),,
I do not like being looked down at. I live my Life the best I can! And help all people, no matter there race. I believe that we are all the same, we bleed ,we cry. and we hurt. If we all just would agree to just let life be life ! would'nt that be a wonderful feeling??
rewriting history again. keep trying AdolfQuote:
Originally Posted by psychocat
Certain tribes of North American Indians practiced scalping, in some instances up until the 19th century. According to ethnohistorian James Axtell, there is abundant evidence that the Native American practice of scalping existed long before Europeans arrived.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalping
Scalping was being practiced by the Native Americans prior to the arrival of any European explorers and settlers. In 1535, the first French explorer, Jacques Cartier, was shown "the scalps of five Indians stretched on hoops like parchment" by Indians near present-day Quebec City.
http://www.mohicanpress.com/mo08018.html
amen to that brotherQuote:
Originally Posted by blackowl
dude, man, take a joke would ya?Quote:
Originally Posted by PigSnout
masta chronic,Quote:
Originally Posted by MastaChronic
Your attempt at humor fell short. It wasn't clever or funny.
Conquerer's always rewrite history.. I grew up watching cowboys shoot, and 10 Indians would fall down! Do you believe that also?? Even the Bible was written by man.. I suppose you believe in adam and eve also. I do not mean to be or sound like I am angry, I just find it hard to believe what people believe. But I have learned that you can not convince a person of the truth. If it is written then that is all the proof you need! right. Do you also believe what our Goverment tells you? Or the Media? Wake up, we all need to wake up and help our fellow brothers and sisters.. On almost all of the Reservations, We live like a 3rd world country! everyone thinks that Indians get all kinds of money. Those lucky enough to have a Casino, the Money only goes to a few. Most goes back to the white people who put the money up to get the casino started. Did you really think that we had money to do this our selfs? If we did, do you think for one minute we would let this happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by PigSnout
Of course not! Why would we let that happen. All that money would go a long way, to helping our people. Don't you think??? ty ,Cheyenne
I find what you say about all mexicans having Indian blood, is really funny! where did you find this info??? There are the Aztec's who lived in old MexicoQuote:
Originally Posted by budsmoker
That does not make them Mexican, It make's them Aztec Indians. I am a full blooded Cheyenne. I find it sad that you believe this.
All I can tell you, is true. I grew up on a reservation. The Wind River Reservation. The (reservation school) was a laugh, I left there after 8th grade. went to high school off of the res. And failed because the Teachers of that day, did not teach, not like at a white school, I found out that after 8 yrs. of schooling I had a 4th grade ed. I could not tell u the months nor could I tell u how to say the abc's. I learned that myself at 18 yrs. It was not because I did not try to learn, it was because we were not taught. It was hard but I did learn, on my own. I even went to collage, Although I did not pass. Not enough education. There are so many things I could tell you! But people would not believe that things are still happening. this is 2006, and the white man is still taking the land that was deeded to us, until the rivers run dry and grass dies. yeah, yeah. things are still the same. we still have cowboy and Indian wars. Although you do not here about these things. My little Brother was stabbed to death in Denver. The guy who killed him got 3 yrs. Served one yr, and was released. Most people who kill Indians around the reservations, are never charged. Always unsolved. Why do you think that we fight back? Why do you think we protest? Money? thats a laugh! We protest because we are tired of all of the bullshit!! to all my relations. Cheyenne
I believe the many sources that come up with that information before I'd believe you. They all site facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackowl
I'm suppossed to believe you because...? I can't think of any reason? Especially when you write one of the dumbest statements I've read in awhile "everyone thinks that Indians get all kinds of money".
You actually believe people think that? Nice perception there slick.
sorry for your loss of a loved one.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackowl
Because something is accepted as true doesn't mean it's not wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by PigSnout
People believed the earth was flat, people believed you would die if you went faster than 50mph the point cat and blackowl are making is that if only one side writes history then how accurate is that history.
History is just another word for propoganda written by victors the losing side rarely get to give their account and anyone who has fallen foul of censorship will know that we don't always get the truth.
whatever dude, im not racist and you made an ass of yourself falsely accusing me of being one, if i was a racist then id have to hate myself too because i have a little bit of everything in meQuote:
Originally Posted by PigSnout
Your comparison is off base. What you said people believed was based on theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Bad Brit
How laughable. History is another word for propaganda. What a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Big Bad Brit
Did you fail history class in school and are lashing out?
So all the things that are written in history books is propaganda. Anymore ridiculous encompassing statements?
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You were the clown who made an ass of yourself with your attempt at humor. You fucked up and aren't man enough to admit it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MastaChronic
Yea your post was a real funny joke. Don't take a job as a comic you'll starve.
Since history IS invariably written by interested parties and is infinately biased in favour of the victor I would say there is no such thing as historic fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by PigSnout
In modern day we have become more informed as a populace however I still believe my (and your) goverment lie and cover up their mistakes as best they can. Corruption of the truth is almost mandatory for politicians.
History is also objective and written from the perspective of a few and we all know it's difficult for people to agree, anyone who has collected eye witness statements from a traffic accident will soon discover the disparities between different peoples versions of events.
History class is a joke .
PS I passed all my exams and have the diplomas to prove it and I still know that History is part HEARSAY part BULLSHIT and a lot of POETIC LICENCE.
black owl just to let you know you mostly all mexicans do have indian blood we are call mestizos there's only a few of mexicans that are full blooded indians and and a few pure spaniard blooded the rest of us are mixed with indian and spaniard
I disagree with "written from the perspective of a few". I agree with what you have said however we are at opposite ends of the spectrum on this. I believe very little is BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by psychocat
shall we talk about being naive? just to let you know, and you will scoff because i can tell by your attitude, Pearl Harbor, and Iraq, as I'm sure history books in the future will reveal, were a bunch of bullshit. We're in Iraq for several reasons, none of which are just nor legitimate. What happened to Afghanistan and the "real threat," or what about North Korea? If we are truly fighting for freedom, then why are our interests invested expanding the wealth of a few giant corporations. And pearl Harbor, well, just to let you know, we knew it was coming. There is evidence that proves that while the attacks were imminant we did nothing. And does using Nuclear arms on primarily civilian targets equalize the bombing of a MILITARY FLEET OF SHIPS? I agree that the Japanese were full of shit, and honeslty, I belive that stopping their expansion and their tyrany was important, but sorry pal, we've never fought for someone because we care and we never will. If you really wanna talk history then lets go waaay back, way back. You say we've been around 200 years, 250? great, what about the first civilizations in Mesopotamia 4000 BCE? what about the fact that each dynasty in history from the Babylonians to the romans, has fallen in the same manor. Internal clashes caused by idealogical differences within the society, weakening their strength and allowing for the encrochment and destruction by even weaker less organized nomads outside. Hmm, lets see, so America in all her greatness has existed like all other empires by exploiting whoever she can to expand herself. I agree that we cannot put that on her specifically and deny what every other empire has done, but to consider ourselves in some age of enlightenment where we can look onto history or other societies and make value judgments on their actions, is bullshit. we do the same, we always will, and unfortunately, so will everyone else. However, I belive, that we must take responsibility and to simply shrug our burden off our shoulders by exusing our actions because everyone else has done it is irresponsible and ignorant. We cannot feel like victims because we aren't racist or we didn't have slaves. You dont' even know that you didn't in your family history, I gaurantee you that. The consequcnes of teh actions of OUR people have fucked over a lot of others, and visa versa. We arn't alone in our horrific behaviour but that doesn't mean we don't have to take responsibility for our share. peace.
ps, to criticize our own country doesn't make us Anti-American, it makes us AWARE. Nothing bad with being independent and weary of media bullshit. FOXNEWS
Sounds like a plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Euphoric
pigsnout, you should go back and read what was written. I wish I was Indian so I could get paid!! Anyway we all believe whatever we do. I can see that this is just like mud slinging. It does not matter what I say ,for it will not be believed. Just because some people are right fighters! does not make them right. And to those who say they will never believe anything I write, well that is there right. As it is mine, to no longer write.