Photo Grow Journal - "The Producer" Grow Cabinet - Start To Finish

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Originally Posted by Zandor

Do the roots of the sick ones smell?
Or more like does the rockwool smell?

Are they all the same strain too?

You could be dealing with plytherwilt. It's common in Rockwool, there is an art to growing with it.

What is your water schedule again...I'm sure you answered somewhere but this great thread is to large to read. I just don't have that much time this month. (not that your post is that long) I just have a new project that is taking all my time right now.

I will stop back tomorrow AM and see if I can offer you any advice. The CalMag Plus was a good thing to add.

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Zandor,

Thanks for taking time to reply, as I know you have been a busy man lately. To answer you questions:

1. The rockwool does not smell.
2. All White Widow Clones
3. The watering schedule is at 10:30AM and 4:20PM for five minutes each.

I too think the CalMag was a good thing to add (thanks for the heads up on that) becaue it eliminated one more possible cause of my problem which then allowed me to find the probable problem which is something with the roots. Thanks for everything.

GrowerXLT

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Originally Posted by Sabrinaleena

After reading this thread, I'm still going to be saving up for The Producer. Not the Bloom Box like I had originally intended. But my main question is this now... why did you get such root rot with your grow? Was it a fault of the box, or was it just bad luck? I'm very curious because I'm hesitant to plunk down this kind of money for such a unit if it's inherently flawed in its growing techinque through no fault of the grower.

Again, I do hope that your next grow is a great one. This thread has been so helpful for me in making up my mind on what I want to buy, and also when I do get it, I'll be referring back to this thread often :)


Sabrina

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Sabrinaleena,

Well at this point I am leaning towards Hardon's theory that the neem was the start of my root problems. If you go back and read this log from the begining it seems likely that this is correct.

I have seen amazing results with one of these boxes over a period of three different grows, so I know that the box is not inherently flawed. Probably not bad luck either. If Hardon is correct, it seems that I followed a bad piece of advice from a Grow FAQ (not on this board) that told me to use neem as a prevetive measure to keep pest away.

I would like to get more peoples opinions on neem to see if they have experienced simmilar problems.

In short, don't let my newbie problems discourage you from getting a truely amazing grow setup. I am very happy with the box, I just made some bad decisions along the way. But all in all, I am learning.

GrowerXLT

Only the Good Lord will know for sure exactly what caused your problems, but the fact that your problems are isolated to a limited number of plants all in the same location, should tell you something.

I have reviewed your link re: the use of Neem Oil as a preventative.

I personally do not believe it is an effective way to prevent pest infestations anymore than chanting for rain will produce rain. I think any product that will PREVENT pests, will likely do more harm to the plant or the people who consume the fruits of these plants.

Neem Oil is great and organic and natural and all that, but we're not talking about peppers and squash and hardy food bearing plants. We're talking special herbs here that are far more sensitive and finicky.

Neem Oil is hard on full grown plants as well as young tenderlings and as with anything, you only give these kinds of plants something when they need it.

Timing is everything with these flowers you are growing and there is no benefit really to giving these plants anything they DONT NEED.

This is where most people fuck up their shit. They give their plants unneeded stuff.

Try and avoid this type of mistake at all times.

If you sprayed the neem as directed, and you thoroughly covered the undersides of the leaves, odds are certain you got some stem drainage running down.

Use neem oil ONLY if you have SPIDER MITES. It should be a LAST RESORT item on your list of pest control but certainly NOT as a preventative, in my opinion.

Johnson & Johnson's Baby Shampoo and water is the best in my book. Or, anything else that contain essential fatty acids from soap.

The author of your article also refers to neem oil as being "systemic", meaning if watered into the soil, it will enter the plant and travel that way...yet, immediately advises you drench the shit outta the leaves.

HUH?

Again, neem oil is ok if emergency situation of pest infestation dictates it, but only then.

And with these plants, its that way with everything.

P.S. There are many masters who grow and clone and make all kinds of wonderful fragrant flowers with rock wool. EVERYTIME.

Good luck.

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Originally Posted by BlueBear

I would get those roots out and spray them down with PH adjusted water. With the peroxide I would get some 3 Percent, the kind that is used for cuts, Wally Mart. You can use 100ML in a liter of distilled water. I am reaching, hope that someone else will give some more feed back.
I know that after making such a large investment that this is probably not what you expected so I am trying to help as much as I can bro.
Adieu

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BlueBear,

I have been looking at this thread http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=67850 and have gotten some good ideas on what to do. It sucks because I am about 30 days left until harvest so I don't know if I should even try to fix the probelm.

The White Snoop recommended this (but this was recommended for someone in veg not bloom):

These are for 1 gal.

24 hour flush (high dose
3%-12 ml
17.5%-2 ml
35%-20 drops 1ml

Low dose(weekly)
3%-11ml
17.5%-2ml
35%-16 drops


Daily topping-
3%-5.5 ml
17.5%-18 drops
35%-9 drops

Decisions....decisions......decisions.......decisi ons......................

GrowerXLT

It could be just that you have some Pythium wilt in those plants. Its very common with rockwool.

How are they doing today any new roots?

With the absence of odor and plant matter in your res then root rot is not the problem. When you have that its easy to find with your nose. So no odor then no root rot. Pythium wilt is a different story there is no cure for that.

I hope it's not that...it would suck.

Hey XLT, can we get an update?
Hope all is well.

What was the outcome? Give us the good the bad the ugly. Are you keeping the box?
Adieu

Day 57 - 07-25-2006 - 44 Days Into Flowering

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Pic 3 - Right

Sorry I haven't updated for a couple of weeks, I've been busy with work. Anyway, I am pretty bummed about the outcome of my plants. I am going to have a very low yeild.

I decided not to try and "solve" my problem due to the fact that it was so late into harvest. I didn't cut off the brown slimy roots nor did I use H202. I was afraid I was going to fuck up my plants even more, so I had to make the hard decision to just let it be.

Things I will do different next grow:

1. Keep my water below 72 degrees.
2. Dont use neem oil.
3. Check roots growth more often.
4. Try a different medium than rockwool.

GrowerXLT

Sorry that your bumbed. Just keep pushing on. One tip, I talked to the company about the dripper pre set program and they said that the timers are set for a Rock Wool mediam and that being the case other mediams such as pellots or hydro ton are going to take more drip than Rock wool, but at the same time, the air stones will give the aditional air and water to probably off set the differance.
Good luck though, and thank you for the update.

hey there xlt.. How is your second go at this?

WOW I just want to know wat you get for $3000 did you get the BloomBox &theProducer & the dryer for that? it looks great man

Hey Donsmokin,,some people have a little spare cash for toys. No need for smart comments.

chronicler i bet iv more money than you punk
get a life man

YO billions..

please send me a picture or post a picture of this baby filled with plants..

love

[email protected]

hemp4billions didnt you make a post trying to sell these?

There's definitely a market for those boxes, else they wouldn't sell any. It's quite a bit more trouble to build your own cabinet. I probably saved about a thousand bucks by building my own, but what I saved in money, I probably spent in time and sweat. No one should knock anyone for deciding to spend money rather than time. If you can work and make more money per hour than you'd save by doing the work yourself, well, simple math suggests that's a good plan.

Sorry to see your root rot problem. Doesn't look like a big yield, no, but if you learned what not to do next time, well, that's a pretty big positive! Hopefully your next grow will be what you originally envisioned. ;)

WHAT happened... the COLLISIUM is GONE?

yikes

doesnt look for too bad of a harvest a few nice lookin buds on a few of yours plants.... good lookin grow considering... better luck next time

I never really posted about the outcome of this grow. In most simple terms, it sucked. The buds were not even smokable, very very harsh. I will post some photos soon that catch everybody up on what happened (its not pretty).

It has been over 5 months since this grow has finished and do to circumstances outside my control I have just barely started my second grow. I will be starting a new thread within the next week to document my second grow in my BC Northern Lights "The Producer".


GrowerXLT

Bump.......

This is just a thought...depending on the type of ph pen u are using some have to be multiplied by 10...so if u had a 250 reading that actually would be 2500 ppm.It is most certainly a sighn of nutrient burn.I also have a producer and i have had fantastic yields .However i use the advanced nutrients that they provide as it has been tested with the box time and time again.Yields of AK-47....2pounds 1 ounce.Decent considering some people figure u can only get 1 pound out of it.

strycnin, welcome to the forum.

I agree about the PPM. Something is definitely wrong there. I usually run about 1350, and I too do AK-47. A good PH meter and PPM meter are a must. Also there are 2 (at least) PPM scales. 500 scale for US and 700 for Europe.

strycnin, growerXLT, any chance of some pictures on your next "Producer" grow? Anyone else using the Producer?

Roots love oxygen.I see a pump in the pic,but do you have an airstone in the resevoir? I just got in on this thread.I'll keep up with it from here on out.Nice materials! Grow On!

Ga Grown!

Hey dude I also just got the producer if ever you want to compare notes drop me a line. My addy is [email protected]:rasta:

It has four airstones at the bottom of the resovoir.

:)

Okay it seems like your ppm was really really low. I am looking at the guide right now and it ranges from 800 to 1100 for veg and 1000 to 1600 for flowering depending on the week. What I missed was actually checking my ph and ppm in the resovoir. I did not realize that the plants may take more water or more nutrients which throws off the balance. I check mine every second day since I found my week 2 veg mixture at 8.7 (3 days prior it was at 5.6 when I filled the resovoir), gee I wonder why the plants were not growing or showing roots through the 3" rockwool, further I had yellow leaves and wilting plants. All the plants have been trimmed up and I now add misting distilled water to my daily regiment to give the plant co2.

I am hoping mine survive the stress I put them through but I am not certain. What I do know is it is a learning experience and I prefer the adage "kiss" keep it simple stupid. I follow the steps in the guide and I read as much as possible online so I can educate myself on growing.

My lifeline is the bcnorthernlights website, if ever I have questions I can call e-mail or live chat with someone. I am a very novice grower which is why I chose this product. My one and only suggestion to you is to utilize the website for customer service. By that I am not knocking anyones advice here but who better to ask then the manufactor of your product?

I do not have a digital camera but I will pick one up and update you on my progess.

Happy growing everyone....

Homegrown101

My bad I misread the posts I only read up to 250ppm when actually it would be 2500ppm.........overkill.........:wtf:

I'm completely new to this and looking into purchasing a complete grow cabinet such as the BloomBox or the Deluxe from Supercabinet.com. Anyone have any experiences with the Supercabinet? The supercabinet looks a lot more discrete but not quite as automated as the BC Northern lights products. Thanks for your help and I enjoy reading everyone's threads on this site.

A good start would probably be to make your own thread about the subject and not bump an unrelated thread thats 8 months old :p