JESUS IS THE WAY ,THE TRUTH, THE LIFE

The "full" quote, according to the NASB translation of the Bible, reads (Jesus speaking):

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household." (Matthew 10:34-36 NASB)

The Lukan parallels read:

"I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled!" ... "Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two and two against three."... (Luke 12:49,51-53 NASB)
"If anyone comes to Me, and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be My disciple." (Luke 14:26 NASB)

And the related Gospel of Thomas 16 (non-canonical) (SV) reads:

"Perhaps people think that I have come to cast peace upon the world. They do not know that I have come to cast conflicts upon the earth: fire, sword, war. For there will be five in a house: there'll be three against two and two against three, father against son and son against father, and they will stand alone."


There ya go a little cut and paste job , you can find many others like it on wikipedia , in any library and on one of my fave sites (www.evilbible.com )
And all those essays on the aforementioned site were written by someone with a PhD in said theologies. So feel free to browse the forums as well. (although that chris guy is not the author many ppl claim he is without reading the names but the woman who did (gasp a woman! biblical scholar ;) ) is the one truly educated on the subject. But theres alot of biologists and such (like myself) in the forum especially on the evolution threads.

ok ok, not the bible version i read from, but good quotes.....

But how do you read the bible??? how do you try to disect Revelations, or the book of issaiah or daniel....

the bible is very metaphorically....

here i will show you

''For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household." (Matthew 10:34-36 NASB)

what does this mean, Christ wanted us to be Evil????

No, the matter at hand is that evil already exist... and that dEVIL is in even our closest lovers, our family, how could we do soemthing and yell at them? well he says, i cannot bring you peace, but i can guranentee war....

ever go to a family renuion or thangsgviing party, and one family member talk alot of crap, then get himself in toruble and eventually start a fight, it happens, i am sure...

THe dEVIL is around, and is close to you, in public officals, EVEN FAMILY

you cannot kill what is always there

dualism is what the bible shows

Taoism is what IS.... i have read many, and found peace with taoism... its quite fascinating, bring that word up, and the whole room will be drawn to you, and people will become manifested with this greatful glare, like you have invoked this GREAT spirit.... sounds very native american, but what is GOD exactly?????

a supreme Being... something we cannot define, like a mushroom trip we cannot explain, but its a little icing from a wedding cake

love life, except the wrong...evil... and except the right puzzle peices... good, that happens in your day... your bound to see more tommorow or the next day... jsut say ahhh forget about it, i will see this problem again


In mongolia or some country people have vivid dreams, and when they have bad dreams, they hope and pray to have the bad dream again, so they may overcome the fear.... if we pray for bad... would less or more bad come...

never did it, just a weird question...

if youu expect bad, does it come???

Pray for me, and i will pray for you

JESUS WALKS, for I am HE... metaphorically... realisticly, iam the I AM,, and have my own kingdom to rule, its called MY LIFE, i rule it and make my own descisions, what more could i ask.... SHIVA surely can realte, and no wander we never wanna die... ever soul sits on our shoulders, if we die, they die...

if your brother dies, would your soul know him anymore... of course.
but your body physical shell wouldnt... thats where sadness come in

when i die, i take everyone.
when you die, you take me with you

LOVE IT

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Originally Posted by xsw2

APART FROM HIM YOU CAN DO NOTHING

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Dude, I have seen this same guy on other forums before. All he does is start Religion threads like this one in caps and then leaves them.

haha some people are nuts, and some realize there just a shell....

just believe!!!!

in what you like... if you like hot fire, then your ummm whats the word we say... condemed.

but if you liek fluffy clouds and gold, then you go to ummm the heavens...

but if you take what you get, you live on earth

make the best out of life

EXTREME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


lol

Love IT man

im an atheist and in my opinion on god is that he is a make believe character that helps people believe that everything will be allright i say stop living ur life for "god" start living it for urself and ur family

What they fail to say is that Jesus said to follow the scriptures implicitly, word for word, as he did. The scriptures he's talking about are the Old Testament, written for Hebrews, not christians, and still used by Jews today in the Torah. The Jews are, if god's word is really true, the 'chosen people'. The second covenant god made with the world was for their protection and forgiveness and nothing to do with old JC.

But, like you said, this lame-ass posts everywhere.
MelT


And why do people like him only talk about one set of 'ten commandments' when there are at least two? Why not follow the other set?

Jesus Christ was a good man. I wish more Christians would actually use his life as an example, not use his life for their own fucked up perverted cause. If you want to make money all you have to do is put "jesus is lord (TM)" on a product and all the christians will buy it. If you're a politician and you want people to vote for you, just proudly declare your Christianity and you've already got the Christian vote, regardless of what you will do for the country.

It's such a FUCKING CON, Christianity is. I have no problem with Jesus, but he's not the way no the truth nor the light. You don't have to worship Jesus to find heaven, when Jesus taught us how to find heaven and peace while living now on earth (by loving one another and leading a good life, which is what jesus ACTUALLY said one must do to attain heaven )...

I find it funny and ironic that Jesus states that the glory goes to his FATHER. Jesus never says "I am one part of a 3 part trinity, but i'm also the same god. i am god in the flesh and you must believe that i'm sacraficing myself for your sins on this cross. And if you refuse, you will burn in hell forever and ever and ever because now that we don't have a temple to make sacrafices in, there is no possible way one can atone for their sins."

The very idea of a god sacraficing his son to die for the sins of humanity is PURELY PAGAN. The original sabbath was Saturday. Why then do christians worship on Sunday? Worshiping on Sunday came from the pagan religion of Mithraism , which was replaced when Christianity spread through the Roman Empire. Ironically, before the idea of Jesus came about, the religion of Mithraism was very quite similar--Mithra died for your sins way before Jesus did (according to the religion).

Christians profess to worship Yahweh, god of the Jews in the Old Testament. In leviticus, it is written that nobody shall offer their child to the Lord as a sacrafice, because this is considered a GRAVE SIN--This is what the pagan arabs did to atone for their sins, and there was no room for pagan influence in biblical Judaism.. so even if Christianity was worshipping the one true god of judaism (the religion from which christianity stemmed from), then the fact remains that IF IT WAS ORIGINALLY AGAINST THE WILL OF YAHWEH (GOD, AKA THE FATHER) TO SACRAFICE YOUR CHILDREN TO ATONE FOR YOUR SINS, THEN WHY WOULD GOD HIMSELF SACRAFICE HIS ONLY SON FOR *OUR* SINS?

Christianity is a bunch of pagan nonsense, with it's roots in paganism--this is obvious as it was spread by the roman empire, which was originally pagan. obviously the theology will be mixed together. Christianity,before it became what it was today, was once considered a sect of Judaism, with belief in the only god of Judaism Yahweh. I'm pretty sure that even original christians rejects the supposed divinity of Jesus Christ. In Jewish thought, the Messiah was not someone who was to save them from their sins, but was someone who was to liberate Palestine from foreign rule and establish the earthly kingdom of david here on earth (most likely in jerusalem, according to jewish tradition)

Christianity-- It encourages people to close their mind, using the threat that if you refuse their fire and brimstone idea of god, then you'll burn in horrible and dreadful hell forever and forever and forever. I say that Christianity needs to be forgotten forever, good riddance!

Christians--I would suggest that you dig into the biblical roots of your religion,. and actually read your bible. Don't just know the scriptures from heresey, because if you're like most people, you can't distinguish between your preacher's personal political beliefs and what is written in your bible.

Good, good, posting Ian:)

MelT

One thing I really really dislike about Jesus was how he taught that sicknesses were caused by demons that he could exorcise out of people. To this day, that lie is destroying people's lives. Surely if he was really divine he could have told us about the germ theory of disease, pushing medical knowledge over a millennium ahead of its time and saving countless lives. I'll worship Louis Pasteur over Jesus any day of the week. Jesus only supposedly cured a few dozen people; Pasteur has saved billions.

http://www.skepdic.com/faithhealing.html

Is that why people disciminate against the sick and disabled?.

im not telling anyone how to live their life thats why i said "my opinion"

Well, actually...

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Originally Posted by dankman

i say stop living ur life for "god" start living it for urself and ur family

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I agree with your atheism and all, but it seems you did overtly tell people to live their lives for themselves and their families instead of the magical sky wizard. And that's A-OK with me. :D

if your serching for god he will help you because if your truely serching for god you will see the false religions of this day. Just because the christians of today are flase does not mean god is not to be found. Jesus tought us to love eachother and to preach and teach about our god Jehovah, once you realise what his message was you will see what religion is right. Jesus's message was that he was gods son redeming mankind for Adam's sin and that he was the best most perfect exsample of his father Jehovah who sent him. His message was that his day of rule was not yet but soon to come and now today we are seeing the fullfillment of his words of the Last days when his Father Jehovah will bring about armageddon and Jesus will rule the earth and bring it back to Peace and perfection.

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Originally Posted by xsw2

JESUS IS THE WAY ,THE TRUTH, THE LIFE. APART FROM HIM YOU CAN DO NOTHING

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I reject your reality and substitute my own.

If youre not joking ? Youre a joke man, learn to think for yourself. Noah's arc for example, creation, moses spliting the redsea. All proven to be impossible by science.

Closed-minded opinion

Open minded but to be honest you have as much chance of convincing me that there's a toothfairy or goblins at the bottom of your garden.

I think of the bible as the same as Aessops Fables good moralistic reading matter to a degree but for the most part a fantastic work of FICTION .

Yep, the bible is a group of stories , MEANT , not to be taken literally. That's exactly what these ignorants people do . Yeah, noahs arc actually existed ,it was 100000000 feet tall,and 2 of every single species of animal on the planet was on it ! What dumb dumb people eh , rofl !

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Originally Posted by ashighasucanget

Yep, the bible is a group of stories , MEANT , not to be taken literally. !

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In which case I see no reason to believe its claim of a god could be taken literally or seriously either. The whole story of Jesus dying for our sins was based on the need for salvation from original sin, that of Adam and Eve. But lets face it, while the story of Jesus is one thing to believe, the story of Adam and Eve is too far fetched, and with more holes than swiss cheese to be believable.

BTW out of curiosity, is there any official explanation from the church, or somewhere else, as to how the Adam and Eve story could be true without the entire human race being the result of brothers and sisters having sex with each other?

goblins are forreal though i was chillin on my porch and opne came up and started singin poetry

Ok, so I didn't read this whole thread and I don't even know if the original poster still posts here... but I've got a question for you if you do.

Why... why would you post something like it. All it does is perpetuate the all-too-familiar image of intolerant, ignorant, close-minded, devout Christians.

Stop. Think. RE-think. Post something useful. If you want to start a religious discussion, bring something valuable to the table instead of just blurting out something which might offend believers of other faiths.

And if you're just here to start shit, then spare us.

hey undefined are you just running aroung trying to build your posts up? find something atleast semi interesting then replying to get the numbers up?!?! i got the same idea going tonight!

Not even! I just like the boards more than I had anticipated. :D :D :D

You kids are all so great. There are so many good threads to reply to. I just can't help it, honestly, lol. I mean there are so many pointless threads too but those are just as great.

And you've got to admit, it's not like I'm making useless posts or anything. My shit has content! I'm legit. :thumbsup:

Hell, I've helped numerous people out already, and I've only been posting for like 2 hours. Check out the LUI thread. I rocked that one.

:dance: :dance:

For Sure. I feel you, i didnt think i would find so many interesting Topics.
I smoked my whole stash looking through these forums.. Now im dry :(

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Not even! I just like the boards more than I had anticipated. :D :D :D

You kids are all so great. There are so many good threads to reply to. I just can't help it, honestly, lol. I mean there are so many pointless threads too but those are just as great.

And you've got to admit, it's not like I'm making useless posts or anything. My shit has content! I'm legit. :thumbsup:

Hell, I've helped numerous people out already, and I've only been posting for like 2 hours. Check out the LUI thread. I rocked that one.

:dance: :dance:

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Methinks you should stop trying to define what is and what isn't pointless, it may seem that way to you but tell me how you garner information and opinions without asking?

Getting back to the post I have to say that I question all faiths and find most religious zealots to be self obsessed.

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Originally Posted by Immolation

Define a "True Christian" .

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To make a long one short,it would be free of any paganism,hypocrisy,violence of any kind except in self defense or justice for the oppressed,someone who could be considered a hero or patriot!

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Originally Posted by Immolation

Isaiah 45:7 " I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

God creates Evil? check out this site http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/index.htm

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This site takes too many things to name out of context! It would be a waste of TOO MUCH TIME to name them all!

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Originally Posted by jamstigator

I'll define a 'true Christian' for you. It is someone who practices what Jesus preached. That is, absolute pacifism, under all circumstances. If someone hits you, turn the other cheek. If someone rapes your mother, turn the other cheek. And so on. He preached that violence against others is wrong, no matter what the circumstances are. Thus, there are really very few true Christians around, because most people believe in self defense and the like. There are many who talk the talk, but few who walk the walk.

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WHOA! Jesus never condemned self defense and turnin' the other cheek was basically mentioned more as an act of kindness,meanin you DON'T HAVE to hit back if you don't want to! He DIDN'T say if your mother was raped to do NOTHIN'! Turnin' the other cheek is supposed to be out of kindness and compassion,not bein a liberal leftist WIMP! Someone walks up and punches me in the face for NO REASON is gonna get his head bashed against a nearby tree or brick wall! If I see'em hittin' a real pretty girl in the face,I'm gonna BREAK HIS NOSE and kick in a kneecap! Turnin the other cheek is CIRCUMSTANTIAL not unconditional!

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Originally Posted by Immolation

Jesus initially refuses to cast out a devil from a Syrophoenician woman's daughter, calling the woman a "dog". After much pleading, he finally agrees to cast out the devil. 7:27 Mark


KJV

Is that righteous?

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Usin' the dog was a parable or metaphor concernin' a GENTILE meanin' it is not always good to share the gospel with a Gentile or Atheist,to which she responded:Yet the dogs eat the crumbs from off the master's table,which means SOME Gentiles or atheists hear ENOUGH of the gospel to become hungry for more and be converted! This woman was ALREADY converted by what she heard and saw and was convinced and desparate to the point that Jesus himself MARVELLED :eek: at her persistence and was taught BY HER that his message was for the Gentiles as well! Sometimes even the MASTER needs reproof and correction and Jesus recognized this and was humbled by her faith! That's why he said WOMAN GREAT IS YOUR FAITH! Go in peace,your daughter is healed!:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by weirdo79

Dont forget when Jesus said

"Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law ..."

Doesnt sound very pacifist to me.

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Well Jesus knew his teachin's would OFFEND some and win others,that's why he said that! Some would believe,some would become his enemies!

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Originally Posted by psychocat

Methinks you should stop trying to define what is and what isn't pointless, it may seem that way to you but tell me how you garner information and opinions without asking?

Getting back to the post I have to say that I question all faiths and find most religious zealots to be self obsessed.

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Easy there big fella. The pointless threads to which I was referring are like these:

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=82948

http://boards.cannabis.com/showthread.php?t=82929

And I'll garner information and opinions all I want, thanks. No disrespect intended at all, honestly.

Get to know Jesus and you will get to know Jehovah God his Father. Thoses understanding Jesus's Death and knowing how it gives us a chance to be able to live forever on a paradice Earth where all sin is distroyed. We need to Draw Close to our creator Jehovah god and keep his commands. Thoses who draw a sword will die by it. Pratice peace, love and kindness to your fellow man. Satin is in control of the goverments of the world do not put your faith in mankind. The devil has but a short peroid of time left and hes trying to devower everyone along with him, don;t give into his hate or greed.