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Salvia is already classified as a Schedule I drug where I am, along with heroin and the like. So if you want to try it, and it's still legal where you are, I'd recommend you try it soon, before it's illegal everywhere. I was bummed out to discover that; I was gonna go to a nursery and buy some plants, but now I can't.
There is absofuckinglutely no reason why it shouldnt be legalized. Compared to other narcotics and not to mention hard drugs like coke,etc, cannabis is just gonna look like nothing. If the government is really gonna think about it Tabacco and Alcohol is more harmful than cannabis I mean for example,there are thousands of japanese died bcoz of smoking tabacco related deasease in every year while there is no man ever died from cannabis, not even a single one. All you get when you smoked cannabis is a hungry stomach and a relaxing soothness feeling while hard drugs/alcohol/narcotics make you wanna stab your mom on the eye and do crazy shits on yourself,..
Well said dude:thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by reaper666
And other thing, why is there "Medical Marijuana" if all it does is ruin peoples lives? All those propaganda about cannabis is making me fucking crazy,...And have u ever heard of Medical Tabacco or Medical alcohol?I guess not,..So those things are the ones that should be illegal if they really care about the peoples health but they dont coz the only thing that matters to them is the MONEY that tabacco and alcohol pulling from the public.Fucking nazi douchebags
if u really believe that then y not sew the gov and prove it?Quote:
Originally Posted by LIP
in fact the whole premiss of this thread is a perfect example of y the national debate must b reformatted...
as long as people are willing to accept that gov has any authority what so ever to outlaw any plant, then we will see more disconnected borg type views that keep all discussion in the gov safe zones of good plant bad plant...
its a web of life folks and u r part of it not seperate from it...
seek to destroy or erradicate it and science says u r in effect harming yourself...debate over...
pps need to wake up to who and what they r and who and what they r not b4 we are in a place of no return...
if u want to do something with your time (other than threads like this) that would take about the same amount of time yet b effective in bringing urgently needed change, please see this thread(and act on our simple email ops);
http://boards.cannabis.com/activism/...ml#post1390504
IM sorry but no one should ever be arrested for cannabis. You are basicly constitutionally entitled to it. Infact anyone who staqnds against cannabis should be shot for treason.There are thousands of your fellow man and woman are are incarsarated against their will/legally effected by the turmoil that our injust laws have decided for cannabis and its countless users. Its good for you and its part of your dna. To think any other way is ignorant and offensive. Take back those words that it shouldnt be legalized or kill yourself. simple as that. AM i being to cold? No im serious rather support cannabis and be part of the canabis revolution or... Death come to you quick you worthless .................
.....OF COUrSE you agree.
the government can have my weed AND my gun......when they pry them from my cold dead hand's!
Dive:stoned:
he's too dumb to be a cop........................oh wait.... ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by harmonicminor
btw: the avatar with the guy holding two guns with an explosion in the background tells me a little something about the OP. try some weed, OP you might like it
let me rephrase: two guns, an explosion, and the fellow's name is "pride". this sums up so well all that i fear about the mindset of our nation
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Originally Posted by littlebigman
For a start, at least learn how to spell a 3 letter word. It's spelt sue, not sew.
Jesus christ.
And me, as one person cannot do that. Dont be so silly.
There is no reason for cannabis to be illegal - keeping it illegal means innocent people being arrested, fined, even imprisoned, for what? Smoking a plant.
If cannabis was legal, police would have alot more time on their hands to arrest real criminals, that leave victims.
The courts wouldnt be wasting tax payers money on people smoking a plant.
well said lip.no victim no crime!!
4:20 on the Quad News : Boulder Daily Camera
Because there are mi,llions of people like this...... We have a sticking time bomb of aggrivated cannabis users.... How long will prohibition last untill the dam breaks? who knows
acutally alcohol can be used as medicine in a way...Quote:
Medical alcohol
Yep, it can! When i was 10 hours old i had to have something done - and i was too young for anesthetic so the nurse gave me 4 drips of brandy off her little finger. Not that i can remember it, but that's medicinal alcohol. And that's why i love brandy these days. Hardly ever drink it though.Quote:
Originally Posted by ZeldaG.
well if i ever do ill be thinking of you :wtf: lol
edit: drink brandy that is...
First i'd tell your friend he's a fucking idiot, 2nd i think Dr. Lester Kennith Grinspoon Associate professor of Psychiatry and medicine at Harvard has a lot more credibility then him, This professor is responsible for some of the worlds finest Pharmicuticals available on the drug market today, and he still says cannabis is the # 1 medicine ever created. Another thing marijuana isn't addictive it's the idiot who is using it who is weak minded and has an addictive personality, like those crazy assholes who smoke ciggz.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pride
weed helped me when i had cancer THATS why it should be legalized
The main issue is that weed was illegalized for no good reason, but now the government sees no good reason to legalize it either. The day our government comes to terms with the fact that the "war on drugs" is a useless, gaping money-pit, then maybe our dear mary-jane will become regulated rather than banned.
doctor's don't prescribe weed often because THEY don't get paid when they give you the card, unlike pills. Yes, doctors get tens of thousands of dollars every month FROM prescribing pills.
The problem is that its illegality is a waste of tax payers money...So many people use marijuana its insane. I told a high school senior that according to the DEA statistics 40% of high school seniors use marijuana before they graduate....she laughed and said "ha, try about 90%". The drug war isn't stoping the supply or demand for the drug. It cost about 20k to keep a guy locked up for a year (funny that 20k is above what the government considers the poverty line but thats a whole nother topic) and in many states we are handing out felony convictions, which lead to citizens getting out of jail and not being able to find jobs, start selling again, and wind up in jail...this creates a life long criminal cycle...Look at alchohol, you need to be 21 to get it, this makes it very difficult for high school kids to get, but since drug dealers dont care who they sell to its the drug of choice for HS kids. If you believe it is a dangerous drug than you should be for legalization so that the government can better keep it out of th hands of our youth. I support a marijuana policy that would pretty much miror that of alchohol, you need to be 21 because it is an intoxicant like alchohol. yeah you smoke it but it isnt a ciggarette. Lets see what other ammo do I have.
It drives me crazy that more people don't realize how much money is wasted on trying to stop a plant, it sort of reminds me of that line from jarasic park when Jeff goldblum say "nature finds a way". Since it is a plant its easy to grow, so people grow it inside, guerilla grow it, whatever.
I think more people who dont smoke or agree with marijuana should be outraged at how the DEA and many local governments continue a failed policy that doesnt work, its up to people to demand results from the drug war instead of funding apolicy that produses no results, i think the annual DEA dollar fugures for their weed war is 18 billion(probably wrong on that, but deff in the billions)...now im all for shutting down coke manufacturers, and meth labs...these drugs dealers target individuals create a physical addiction and don't stop until the user is almost dead or dead. Marijuana is totally different.
I also hate the propoganda around marijuana, the DEA wants to paint every pot smoker as a useless dead beat...well you know what i work my ass off at work and school all day and when i come home i wanna relax the way I like too. My boss today said she wish she could clone me cause im such a hard worker....and guess what? america is addicted to mcDonalds but you dont see legislation to stop people from killing themselves with food. I get tired at looking at so many fat asses here in the states but a cheesburger from mcdonalds is worse than a joint in my oppinion.
Yes it does have medicinal value... this is a no brainer. The government hardly lets anyone do research on it, wonder why...cause the more research that comes out the less harmful we find out it is...Also if it were legal people wouldnt have to smoke it all the time they could eat it or cook with it, people dont do that now cause its too expensive. The only one profiting off the drug war are drug dealers. Its not even about how dangerous it is, its about wasting money on a policy that does nothing, either revamp the drug war or stop trying....this is Bush Iraq logic, dont quit just keep loading barrels of money onto the flaming cars in hopes that the money will snuff out the flames.
weed used to be legal in the states it was used in jazz clubs in new york and noone had any problem, it was first made illegal when californians and arizonians wanteds to get rid of the mexicans..politicians used marijuana prohibition as a way to send the mexicans back home since they were the predominant growers.....history channle has a GREAT doc on marijuana legalization history...when you see how rascist the origins of the policies are its a real shame... I encourage everyone to watch this DOC its called "hooked:illegal drugs" they pretty much have a doc for every major drug. The last line in the doc is "many states are realizing that the cost of prohibition are greater than the cost of the drug itself" or something like that. Every other drug talks about the dangers and drain on society but the history of marijuana pretty much leaves every one who watches it scratching there head going, wait why is this illegal again. REally an awesome unbiased DOC look it up!
http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=70805
Final note: I saw a stat that said 40% of americans have used marijuana, and if you look at alot of those ballot initiatives in states to legalize they always come around 40%...which could possibly mean that the 60% that voted it down have never used it, are probably influenced by propaganda since they dont really know what it effects are...so the people against it are the people who dont know shit about it. I truly believe that their are alot of pot smokers like me who are educated and have done the research and have come to logical conclusion that no, it should not be illegal...its not just a "well, i wanna get high so make it legal"
Good to see younger people stand up for this, Vote Vote Vote my young friend! Get involved guys its the only way we can mke a change.
40% is low, you have to remember that many people, I would say 20-30% more smoke, but cant say they do. Its the fact that anything can show up and bite you in the butt, they have too much to loose for taking a poll or standing up for it! So they keep thier mouth shut! With that in mind, people should stop the stupid brainwashing and start reading and finding out the truth.
Its so bad that even the word "Marijuana" is like you just said F--K in church! Its a talking point, no one will talk about! In my town they would stone me if i said "what about marijuana reform" , yes stone me and not the good kind of stoned! We are talking about 70 years of marijuana brainwashing so its going to take time! I wont see marijuana reform in my life but I bet you younger folks will! Could still happen but we need to elect a weed friendly president and local officals too.
keep the faith and stay safe out there!
Well what makes it really hard is that when candidates come out they are either extreme libertarians so that the general public views them as unelectable...it is very rare to see a good moderate candidate say he/she is for legalization or even decriminalization and still get elected by all those soccer moms. Its a suicide mission for politicians it seems.
do you think a teenager would pay 30$ for a beer....when the markup on a consumer good is so high kids will not want to buy it.....the weed market is at equilibrium, people are willing to pay large amount because that is the only way to get it....i believe that if you look at the economics of it high school kids would buy less marijuana because of the enormous price discrimination that would be involved if it were legalized. The penalties should focus on sales not use...if you sell weed to kids then you SHOULD go to jail.
i dont know if i already responded to that but just about every one of your reasons is fucking terrible and so full of holes if there is any substance to it at all. there is no argument for keeping it illegal other than it gets you high, feel free to list another and ill explain to you why you are wrong, and the argument for making it legal has far, far more to it than hey man ill be able to go to the store and get weed.
That's one of dangerous thought!Quote:
i belive that any drug is not danjourous as long as yoru resopnsobile enough to use it ...... most people arent
It should be legal for adults(21 years old or older) to use. Not for minors.
In California, it's already legal for medical purposes and it's decriminalized for many years.
When we talk about "Cultivation", it's all whole different story. We are talking about businesses.
They are many business men behind this and saying about "legalization of marijuana". Who to believe, You need to decide.
When you are at home, you are free to smoke unless you keep it a secret.
"It's legal to smoke marijuana at home".
Don't look at "Legalization". Look at "Decrimination". Not same...
There could be racist things behind this US marijuana law, but not now. Most of countries keep it illegal.
There's some aspects everyone I think has yet to view; but then again i was lazy and didn't look through the entire post and am belligerent enough to shove my thoughts out here....
There have been proven medicinal purposes behind the Cannabis plant; we don't need to get into that.
Legalization. Taxation. Economic growth.
If you start with the first step of getting it widely seen as a medicinal product (and shit, the only reason it's not legal now is because being seen as having so many choices, 'big company' like Pfizer for instance, would never be able to patent marijuana, thus, no market for the pharmaceutical companies)
you can then get people's opinion to eventually change about how it is viewed as an entire whole.
Thus, we have cultural psychology.
Convince the public of the positives rather than shunning them and shrugging them off as not purposeful; you can then move onto complete legalization.
Legalization should bring on as a controlled substance, just like tobacco and alcohol; clearly for the fact we don't need 8 year olds getting high at their after-school programs. We offer an 18+/21+ law just like the others.
We can take this into an agricultural economic view into retrospect now:
1) Legalizing the herb, gives way to commercializing the herb for paper, the buds itself, and even clothing.
2) Commercializing the herb brings another possible product for the US of A to have under it's agriculture lists;
3) Farms: Farms produce jobs, and will obviously produce the herb.
4) The herb being sold by private companies can unfortunately ween the price a little but creates a more widely available product, safe from toxins, other drugs (crank, cocaine, opium) that can cause you to feel addicted to the herb when it's really the drug residue sometimes found from multi-selling dealers.
5) Profit pulls in taxes, taxes increases the economy.
6) Taxes on >US< THE PEOPLE get reduced because people like us getting busted for a 1/4oz or 1/2 oz, or oz of weed in jail won't apply in a legal world.
7) Jails would see a decline in over-population from marijuana possession.
Thus, we have a plant that can:
1) Replace trees indefinitely for paper
2) Create clothing
3) Create the herb we smoke
4) etc. etc. etc.
When you stare down the route of legalization, it's all about the fear of the public as far back as the propaganda propagated from the nixon years; where they had a psychopath on trial state he was high on marijuana which caused him to go psychotic. ( oh yeah? i just get relaxed and my temper cools off.. possibly the munchies and obviously a feeling of well being.)
so, here is what's stopping it (like said before)
1) General publics mind has been twisted by years of propaganda
2) THE D.E.A., FBI, local law enforecment loses money because of lack of catching the $50k-$100k marijuana busts a year over the border, and the multi-million inside the urban cities through out the US of A.
3) Big Company (like most politicians find their backing from) will ultimately not be able to patent, thus, a single company can't make all the money. They're votes are obviously on a NO to a "miracle drug" which can help with HIV/AIDS, Multiple Sclerosis, consistent severe nausea, glaucoma and other forms of cancer.
And there's more, but i'm getting a little buzzed off some YuengLing and i'm losing interest trying to educate :D
Just a note...
Science has never proven Pot causes cancer. They have shown that Pot has 4x as many carcinogenics as tobacco; BUT. What you oftenly do not read along with that propaganda is that THC; is seen as a natural cancer-inhibitor. an endocannibanoid (that which regulates hunger in the body) at the root, has also been shown to kill cancer cells on contact.
The only possible way of conceiving cancer is the fact that your breathing in hot smoke into your lungs which have and always been meant purely for oxygen.
But, then again, you get a vaporizer and well... No smoke. :)
(or an iced up bong... hooray!)
Anway, I really hope some of you took the time to really take a look at the real reasons for why this world is the way it is, especially in America.
but if we as the people cannot come together to prove to the world that this is what needs to happen, well, we're stuck in the hole that we're still in today. Smoke on kids!