The TRUTH behind drug testing

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I'm very fortunate that I don't work in an industry that worries about drug testing.

But I'm not very fortunate that I live in SC and still don't have enough friends to keep me high 24/7 as I'd prefer.

SOMEBODY BRING ME WEED PLEASE (I scream out my front door every morning)

Wishing & Waiting for the weed fairy to arrive~

JL

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Hey there JL,

I'll bring you some if I can get in on that job industry! :D

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Originally Posted by Branall1

Hello everyone, I am a new member, but I have some experience that I think (And hope) will clear up a lot of the misinformation (And flat out money wasting) I see on this board.

My name is Brandon and I used to work for a medium sized drug testing firm located in North Carolina. We provided everything from record keeping, laboratory testing to legal compliance and on-site test kits.

Here are some basic things everyone needs to know about drug testing.

1. It is an entire industry formed on mis-information that's only exists to make money. Margins on drug tests are very high, especially when compared to other types of medical testing. This means companies like LapCorp and Quest Diagnostics earn more per drug test than any other test they perform, so they obviously aren't going to complain.

2. Drug tests do NOT detect THC. You could drop a bud into water and stick a drug test in. It will read negative. Every time. Drug tests look for the byproduct of THC consumption in your body, not the drug itself.

3. The detoxification industry is just as shameful and money oriented as the drug testing industry. Almost every detox product out there requires you to drink copious amounts of water prior to your test. It's the WATER, not the product that dilutes the sample and lowers the Ng/Ml (nanograms per milliliter) concetration of cannibinoids. Your system cannot "flush" all of the cannibinoids just because some product claims it can. Cannibnoids are stored in fatty cells, and I think everyone wishes they could magically "flush" fatty cells from their body

4. Laboratory testing is actually on-site (rapid read, quick scan, dip card. Whatever you want to call it) testing in disguise. Here are the economics:

The NIDA 5 (Cocaine, Meth, THC, Opiate, PCP) dip cards cost $1.10 wholesale (For a decent, american made card). They are much cheaper if you go with the Chinese imported version (remember, this is a money motivated industry. Most people use the cheapest they can get at the time)

Lapcorp charges the company anywhere from $14-$39 per "Laboratory Test" plus a "collection fee" of $10-$15. That's $25 per test at the least.

GC/MS (Gas Chromography/Mass Spectromity) testing actually costs a lot more than what they charge. GC/MS normally costs close to $100 per test. Anyone can obviously see the problem is every single test was run through GC/MS. Lapcorp would loose money. This is obviously not what happens.

ALL lab samples are "screened". They know that 99% of all of the tests are going to come up negative, so they hit them with the same $1.10 test that an onsite kit uses. If it comes out negative, it's reported negative and never sent to GC/MS. If it's positive, it heads over to GC/MS for quantitive verification.

All you have to do is be able to pass an at home kit and you are golden. Here is where the magic comes in. Drink WATER and take a B Vitamin. This will re-yellow your urine, which will pass visual inspection.

These companies are all about making money (on both ends, testing and "detox") Everyone knows drug testing is Bullshit (Penn and Teller should totally hit this for an episode). The truth is it's a multi-billion dollar industry, and the industry wants to keep it that way. Lapcorp, Quest, etc make a substantial amount of their profit from drug testing. They aren't going to deliberatly damage that.

The point of this post? Save your money. Chances are if you are looking for a job money is tight already. Add in gas prices and time wasted at interviews and driving all over town to be tested and $30 is a lot of money. Drink water, and take vitamins.

Brandon

PS: Hair testing is increasing in popularity, but it is still prohibitively expensive. Wholesale on a hair test is about $79 per test. Unfortunately, nothing works to fool a hair test. They can only use 1.5" (They CAN use more, but cannibinoids break down in the hair a little after 90 days, so long hair is NOT a "timeline". It's just long hair). Shaving your head also won't work, they'll just find it somewhere else (Pubic, chest, back, anywhere really) and they will also make a note that your head was recently shaved. The cannibinoids are stored WITHIN the hair folicle, so those "cleansing" shampoos are total bullshit also. Like I said, save your money,

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can you tell me if taking one hit of weed would make me fail a hair folicle? I haven't smoked in over a year...

Hey Brandon,

I had a funny brownie 5 weeks ago. And i'm gonna have to take the hair sample drug test. I haven't smoked in years so i'm other wise clean. Am I screwed?

P.S.

I bought "BioWash" I'm freakin out.

Thanks for your info.

Joj, you are posting in the wrong thread. You should have started your own thread and asked your question there because Brandon hasn't been on since May 2006 and it really is off topic for a general discussion on drug testing.

The guideline is 3 times getting high in 90 days if the hair length is 1 and 1/2 inches. Your one brownie should not cause you to fail. In the future I prefer Zydot but Biowash is ok but much more expensive. Use it the day of the test and you should pass. If you have any more questions please start a new thread.

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Originally Posted by Branall1

4. Laboratory testing is actually on-site (rapid read, quick scan, dip card. Whatever you want to call it) testing in disguise. Here are the economics:

The NIDA 5 (Cocaine, Meth, THC, Opiate, PCP) dip cards cost $1.10 wholesale (For a decent, american made card). They are much cheaper if you go with the Chinese imported version (remember, this is a money motivated industry. Most people use the cheapest they can get at the time)

Lapcorp charges the company anywhere from $14-$39 per "Laboratory Test" plus a "collection fee" of $10-$15. That's $25 per test at the least.

GC/MS (Gas Chromography/Mass Spectromity) testing actually costs a lot more than what they charge. GC/MS normally costs close to $100 per test. Anyone can obviously see the problem is every single test was run through GC/MS. Lapcorp would loose money. This is obviously not what happens.

ALL lab samples are "screened". They know that 99% of all of the tests are going to come up negative, so they hit them with the same $1.10 test that an onsite kit uses. If it comes out negative, it's reported negative and never sent to GC/MS. If it's positive, it heads over to GC/MS for quantitive verification.

All you have to do is be able to pass an at home kit and you are golden. Here is where the magic comes in. Drink WATER and take a B Vitamin. This will re-yellow your urine, which will pass visual inspection.

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Great information. Just one question, if all lab tests start with the dip cards those don't test for dilution so why do people fail for having a diluted sample?

I recently failed a random drug test and lost my job, but am now trying for a new job which will probably require another test. if my new test goes to the same lab as the one I failed on, will they fail me again even if it came out ok? Can they tell a new employer that I failed one a few weeks ago? I am only 15 days dry from what I deem as commercial pot, but 9 days ago I took 2 hits of some homegrown. Is there a difference in the potency of pot? Also, you said heavy or chroic users take longer to detox...so what is considered heavy? I am a chronic user (every day) but only smoke a couple of hits at a time and only a few times a day. Also, my partner was tested a few yrs ago on just homegrown(had smoked the same day as the test) and passed.

I have passed pre-employment tests before with drinking lots of water and taking a B12. Does anyone know the privacy issues? I live in a very small town(less than 10,000 people) so if I fail again, everyone will know.

Strainy

i have to do a drug screening, just once, for a job. i am doing it as part of a physical, i think for the insurance. i actually get to do the physical and screening with my primary care physician. is this type of testing different than say, a drug test for legal purposes? will they be looking for masking agents? or is it a little less formal?

i have a friend whos goin out for football and he needs 2 pass his physical 1st and a drug test 2 so his dad is gonna give him a pill called a golden root pill and his dad says it takes about a week for u 2 get clean as long as u drink a lot of water and shit will this golden root pill work

Like Ive always said in my past post's of drug testing.. its all about the water.. and cranberry juice helps too.

i havent read all the posts on here,what info do you have on swabbing,afew friends

have lost there jobs when they went for reg urine test and had there mouths swabbed instead.......they werent expecting that........

Ha Ha, :D
I've got the real 411. I'm 5'6" & 160lbs. I was forced to take weekly piss tests for 6 months (probate). I passed every one. My secret????? I researched heavily about MJ in your system. I even found a calc. from the point of totally clean, 1-Hit/High = 3 Days of dirty. I later pick up the jibber again toke once more....2-Hits/Highs = 6 Days of dirty and so on until 30-45 Days dirty depending on you.
I simple toked once a week after my test was complete and waited for next weeks test to smoke again. For 6 Months it worked like a charm. No dilution.

Thanks for the info. How long do you drink a lot of water for though? like a week? :yippee:

Ok.im sure evry 1 is gettin tired of the smae question..sry..ive read alot of these threads in this post...cant read them all..so here goes.....im 5'11" float between 135-155lbs...i do smoke everyday but not that heavily...i pack my bong hit it once or twice each time and good for a couple hrs generally...so no more than 2 bongs a day basically...i jus got called for an interview for tommorow mornin so i havent smoked most of the day except for this mornin...so would b bout 24hrs of no smokin by the time i take the test...what s the best thing 4 me 2 do? would jus drinkin a lil bit of water(say 30-40oz) and take some vitamin B pills and b ok? the drug test is only a cheap $15 one that they do right there in front of you...(its a dip stick test i think) no sendin off to lab for testing(unless dilluted 2 times) would i b ok jus doin that? what bout creatine on test? any and all suggestion wanted and welcomed...ty