national illegal immigrant day!!

i don't see how i'm am that confusing...

we have to spend money...
it cost money to round them up and send them out
it cost money to help mexico build a better nation

I am picking the latter... the fact you do not understand that it is is an either or is situation is ignorant...

I am defending my belief my saying if Mexico is better they will go back and stay there...

Questioning your belief for sihpping them by saying why will they not come back??


with the underlying belief that it is our government's fault they are here... they allowed them and wanted them... and that is who we should be mad at


does that clear up anything for you?

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i don't see how i'm am that confusing...

we have to spend money...
it cost money to round them up and send them out
it cost money to help mexico build a better nation

I am picking the latter... the fact you do not understand that it is is an either or is situation is ignorant...

I am defending my belief my saying if Mexico is better they will go back and stay there...

Questioning your belief for sihpping them by saying why will they not come back??


with the underlying belief that it is our government's fault they are here... they allowed them and wanted them... and that is who we should be mad at


does that clear up anything for you?

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What would my plan be is about what your asking.....I'd have a nice wall, something that would be considered as the 8th wonder of the world. There would be outposts with HEAVILY armed individuals for all those carrying ladders or shovels. All the damn underground tunnels would be filled and cemented shut for good.

We ARE in debt, We CANNOT afford to take care of the needs of 20,000,000 more unwanted people. 95% of Americans want them out....ship their asses and don't be nice about it....maybe if the trip home was worse than the one getting here they WOULDN'T come back!

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

^ and look at that fucking smile does that look like a sad smile to you?? just cause I say fucking ignorant a lot doesn't mean I'm pissed... I have a bad mouth... sorry, not a big believer in 'swear words'

remember I'm a puritain.. swear words aren't that... I follow (try to)the Ten Comandments and I believe that the commandment was :

Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.

that means I don't say 'In God We Trust', and think we should 'Swear to God' when we go to court... cause that's kinda bad...

but that's a whole nother topic and I don't really wanna talk about how fucked up the Ten Commandments have become... and how fucked up christians think there are

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What would my plan be is about what your asking.....I'd have a nice wall, something that would be considered as the 8th wonder of the world. There would be outposts with HEAVILY armed individuals for all those carrying ladders or shovels. All the damn underground tunnels would be filled and cemented shut for good.

We ARE in debt, We CANNOT afford to take care of the needs of 20,000,000 more unwanted people. 95% of Americans want them out....ship their asses and don't be nice about it....maybe if the trip home was worse than the one getting here they WOULDN'T come back!

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

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and how much does your wall cost?? and how much does it cost to get them out?? that's why you are ignorant... because you don't think about that... if money is your issue for taking care of them, than why is it not for building the '8th wonder in the world' ... FUCKING IGNORANT!!!

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and how much does your wall cost?? and how much does it cost to get them out?? that's why you are ignorant... because you don't think about that... if money is your issue for taking care of them, than why is it not for building the '8th wonder in the world' ... FUCKING IGNORANT!!!

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O.K. you INGNORANT FUCK! Here's $53,000,000 to start off with! If thats the game you want to play...bring it on! If not....chill.

Coloradoâ??s Medicaid program will spend more than $53 million this year on acute emergency needs for non-U.S. citizens, but the exact amount that will be spent caring for illegal immigrants isnâ??t known.
http://www.thepbj.com/story.cfm?ID=9074

And another $73,000,000

U.S. to help cover health costs of illegals
Providers in state to divvy up $71 million for emergency care
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...NGSCCMILO1.DTL

And another $4,700,000,000!
Texas' illegal immigrant population is costing the state's taxpayers more than $4.7 billion per year for education, medical care and incarceration
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=43755

And another $1,300,000,000!
Arizona taxpayers pay an estimated $1.3 billion a year for health care, education and prison costs
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=13694

It took me less than 5 minutes to find over $6,000,000,000/yr.! Thats for one years costs in 4 states! I'll not only have the 8th wonder of the world in 5 years but I'll also ship their asses back south of the border in a Limo!!:D

Have a good one!:thumbsup:


Your choice....with/without flame.......

Here's some wall money for ya!

The Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) estimates that state and local costs associated with illegal immigration for public education, health care and incarceration, now about $36 billion a year, would balloon to $61.5 billion by 2010 -- a 70 percent increase -- and increase to $106.3 billion by 2020.
http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewNation.as...20060411c.html

According to this, within a five year period we're going to spend an estimated $250,000,000,000 on illegal care. That would have the potential of making the Great Wall of China look like a Kwik Trip!

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According to this, within a five year period we're going to spend an estimated $250,000,000,000 on illegal care.

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he cant count that high on his fingers and toes....

does gumby, even have fingers and toes?

A proposal to build a double set of steel walls with floodlights, surveillance cameras and motion detectors along one-third of the U.S.-Mexican border heads to the Senate next month after winning overwhelming support in the House.

The wall would be intended to prevent illegal immigrants and potential terrorists from hiking across the southern border into the United States. It would run along five segments of the 1,952-mile border that now experience the most illegal crossings.

The plan already has roiled diplomatic relations with Mexico. Leaders in American border communities are saying it will damage local economies and the environment. And immigration experts say that -- at a cost of at least $2.2 billion -- the 700-mile wall would be an expensive boondoggle.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...ORDERFENCE.TMP

700 miles...hell, lets go for it all! 2100 miles worth at $6.6 with the typical "it may be twice as much" gives a total wall cost of $13,200,000,000. Greyhound would probably be $200/head making $2,180,000,000 a shipping fee. Total cost of wall and shipping on all illegal Mexicans at $15,000,000,000.

$250,000,000,000
-$15,000,000,000
=$235,000,000,000 SAVINGS!!! (across 5 years)A quarter of a trillion dollar savings not to mention the 63 billion dollar burdon per year by 2010 would be eliminated!

THEN we could send em' some clean water if ya want!:thumbsup:

I love to see a wall built i'll even help , but then they will just build underground passages way to cross over. we'd need the national guard on the border, i bet then the mexican army wont shoot at them like they do the BP & sheriffs.........but having the NG there wont sit good with me either, maybe i should move away from the border, but where?

On the Great Wall of China they used pits with drums to detect if an invading army was trying to trench their way in. These days we have Seismic Monitors.....they wouldn't get close! :thumbsup:
By the way, National Guard would be posting ALL OVER that wall.....we would STILL save money!:D

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

http://www.dailysoft.com/berlinwall/index.html

one like this maybe... good guy to take advice from... good way to build relations.... good way to be a global freedom fighter... when will you see that you are supporting a dictator... he has convinced you it's a good idea to build a wall between our borders...

since when did we go from 'Tear down this wall' to build the 8th wonder of the world??

what part of america is that?

and now that you have found the money, why are schools and social help not a good idea... the last reason you said was money... why should we not help out our neighbors? we just whored them out for cheap labor... they were slaves, why not at least give them a chance...

I bet your ides for ending slavery would have been to ship them all back to africa huh?

i love america but we make alot of mistakes, we dont fix our problems until its too late, 9/11, now the energy and the immagration problem. They should have secured the border in 2001, i have nothing against immagrants wanting to come to america and make a better life for thereself, but theres the right way and the wrong way of doing things, you dont let that many illegals in the country and say oh well were gonna make it a felony... If illegals can get in, what would stop the terroist's???? from what i hear canadas borders not so secure either.

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http://www.dailysoft.com/berlinwall/index.html

one like this maybe... good guy to take advice from... good way to build relations.... good way to be a global freedom fighter... when will you see that you are supporting a dictator... he has convinced you it's a good idea to build a wall between our borders...

LOL...he hasn't convinced me of shit! Actually if we are to be honest about it, eg420ne brought it to my attention. The discussions in here brought the 20,000,000 number to my attention. After reading a little bit about the subject, knowing full well that ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS shouldn't be here; I've come to my own conclusions based on FACTUAL NUMBERS.

since when did we go from 'Tear down this wall' to build the 8th wonder of the world??

Comparing this to the Berlin Wall? Come on now..:rolleyes:

what part of america is that?

That would be South America and North America.

and now that you have found the money, why are schools and social help not a good idea... the last reason you said was money... why should we not help out our neighbors? we just whored them out for cheap labor... they were slaves, why not at least give them a chance...

Hey, after we save a quarter trillion a year we can institute a few of your programs....how bout $50,000,000,000 a year after 2011, we'll STILL be saving money!

I bet your ides for ending slavery would have been to ship them all back to africa huh?

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Low blow, uncalled for! Fact is, my great grandfather served for the North!


Funny though how you turn this shit around. FIRST it was the cash! I found PLENTY of cash. Now it's Berlin Wall and slavery shit?

YOU stated they should be out....I FOUND THE CASH for limo rides to the Mexican town of their choice.........you wondered how someone could be so ignorant as to think we could afford a wall...I FOUND THE CASH! :thumbsup:

So your answer is within the next 5 years to have a $250,000,000,000 unneeded expense on our national budget AND rebuild the entire Mexican infrustructure so they "might" want to go home? And you bitch about Bush's spending?:rolleyes:

I like the news I just read on Arizona State law that is being enforced about illegals..every state should pattern a law similar and I bet it would help with stopping more from being sold into this country and expecting amnesty for their illegal actions. Who is here from Maracopa County? And I do believe the illegals theirselves should be held accountable but once again I detest those coyotes in this business...any Alabama leo's on here for once I say thank you for getting those 2 coyotes last week and doing what you are..not letting them go and holding strong on current developments.

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Low blow, uncalled for! Fact is, my great grandfather served for the North!


Funny though how you turn this shit around. FIRST it was the cash! I found PLENTY of cash. Now it's Berlin Wall and slavery shit?

YOU stated they should be out....I FOUND THE CASH for limo rides to the Mexican town of their choice.........you wondered how someone could be so ignorant as to think we could afford a wall...I FOUND THE CASH! :thumbsup:

So your answer is within the next 5 years to have a $250,000,000,000 unneeded expense on our national budget AND rebuild the entire Mexican infrustructure so they "might" want to go home? And you bitch about Bush's spending?:rolleyes:

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no, what you are not understanding is this... and I don't know how to spell it out any eaiser...

your plan... to buss/limo/truck them out and build a wall ... ( you at first had no funding sources)

my plan... build infrustructure so they will go back... ( using the money the money it would take to ship them out and build a wall)


I wasn't debating Bush's spending in this thread, I was debating your spending... the money you later found to use for shipping them out and building a wall... That money... instead of spending it on shipping them out and building a wall... why not spend the same money you will spend to help them...

your main complaint for my idea has been either... a)why should we spend money on them... or why should we help them out...

a) It's the same money you would rather build a wall with and ship them out with... it's spending money on them either way you look at it... I see my was as a little nicer and hopefully a better way to keep good relations with Mexico/get them all back to Mexico/ and look like a nice neighbor instead of a mean big brother.

b) because we are America... not Berlin... the same reason you laughed when I brought it up... we're not even close to that idea of a country... they why do we need to build a wall, instead of help them out??

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no, what you are not understanding is this... and I don't know how to spell it out any eaiser...

your plan... to buss/limo/truck them out and build a wall ... ( you at first had no funding sources)

my plan... build infrustructure so they will go back... ( using the money the money it would take to ship them out and build a wall)


I wasn't debating Bush's spending in this thread, I was debating your spending... the money you later found to use for shipping them out and building a wall... That money... instead of spending it on shipping them out and building a wall... why not spend the same money you will spend to help them...

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Don't blow smoke up my ass.......THIS is what you so eliquintly stated!

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and how much does your wall cost?? and how much does it cost to get them out?? that's why you are ignorant... because you don't think about that... if money is your issue for taking care of them, than why is it not for building the '8th wonder in the world' ... FUCKING IGNORANT!!!

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O.K.....so how are YOU going to fund this and face esculating costs on our system due to more and more illegals?:cool:

what don't you get???

i'm don't think it's that hard...

the money for YOUR wall... will instead go for my Idea... that's all I was saying...

instead of a wall we build a better country... same money...

SAME FUCKING MONEY... THE FACT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT IS WHY I SAID YOU WERE IGNORANT 10 POSTS AGO... BECAUSE YOU DON'T GET THE MONEY IS THE SAME... YOUR MONEY IS THE SAME MONEY I WOULD USE...

SAME FUCKING MONEY... CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT... THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY YOU WANT TO USE FOR A WALL I WANT TO USE FOR PEACE...

WHY CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT??

am I really not that clear or are you really that ignorant?

ig·no·rant (ĭg'nər-ənt) pronunciation
adj.

1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.


I did not have money planned to spend... my money was the money you were going to use to bus them out and build a wall.. please understand that... it will cost you money to do that... INSTEAD of spending that money on something that doesn't look the most neighborly ( your wall) spend THE SAME MONEY YOU PURPOSE BE SPENT ON THE BUSSES AND WALLS on something nice and respectable... do you not think people would look better upon america if INSTEAD of building a wall we use

THE SAME MONEY FOR PEACE....

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what don't you get???

i'm don't think it's that hard...

the money for YOUR wall... will instead go for my Idea... that's all I was saying...

MY money came from kicking them out and taking it from the SAVINGS!

instead of a wall we build a better country... same money...

SAME FUCKING MONEY... THE FACT YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THAT IS WHY I SAID YOU WERE IGNORANT 10 POSTS AGO... BECAUSE YOU DON'T GET THE MONEY IS THE SAME... YOUR MONEY IS THE SAME MONEY I WOULD USE...

SAME FUCKING MONEY... CAN YOU UNDERSTAND THAT... THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY YOU WANT TO USE FOR A WALL I WANT TO USE FOR PEACE...

NOT THE SAME MONEY (mine is from expenses saved) YOU DUMB SON OF A BITCH! FIND THE CASH BITCH!

WHY CAN YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT??

am I really not that clear or are you really that ignorant?

ig·no·rant (ĭg'nər-ənt) pronunciation
adj.

1. Lacking education or knowledge.
2. Showing or arising from a lack of education or knowledge: an ignorant mistake.
3. Unaware or uninformed.


I did not have money planned to spend... my money was the money you were going to use to bus them out and build a wall.. please understand that... it will cost you money to do that... INSTEAD of spending that money on something that doesn't look the most neighborly ( your wall) spend THE SAME MONEY YOU PURPOSE BE SPENT ON THE BUSSES AND WALLS on something nice and respectable... do you not think people would look better upon america if INSTEAD of building a wall we use

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So when your proven wrong all you can do is flame? WTF??? I found the cash, now you find it and ALSO find the cash to support the increase this country is going to feel up till you convince the illegals that you have rebuilt their country. I also know the meaning of ignorant: GUMBY!

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THE SAME MONEY FOR PEACE....

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The money I found is what we spend and project to spend to support the illegals. You want to keep the poor lil' immigrants and also fix their homeland...NOT the same money! Are you Democrat by chance?:cool:

will you need the money to send them out before you stop spending it on them and if not when ever you get that money... them money for them not being here... when you get that money.... the same money for them not being in mexico... that money... the same money... the money for them not being here... the same money... that money... when you get that money...

instead of spending it on a wall and shipping them out... spend it on mexico and give them a reason to get out...

both plans they are out... they all leave... my plan they go to a nice country where they can get an education (maybe understand what ignorant means), health care... the infrustruster... the same money you found that we spend on them here.... that money .... the same money... the money it will cost... that money... do you understand it's the same money yet?? ... why not spend that money on building a better Mexico.

Instead of spending it on the illegal ones here... instead of spending it on a wall... the same fucking money... why not spend it on mexico...


any way you look at it we will have to spend money... the money you found - on the ones that are here that shouldn't be - the money for your wall/busses - the money to better mexico...

it's the same money... they all leave... no more illegals here.... do we need better laws for employers and housing fuck yes.... do not allow them to make a living here illegally... but instead of spending the money on them here or spending it to ship them out... why not tell them were going to spend it on bettering thier country and give them a reason to go back??


is it really that hard to be nice to people?? i guess you believe what our dictator does?? bombs better than hugs... feirce ignorance over peaceful sharing

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is it really that hard to be nice to people?? i guess you believe what our dictator does?? bombs better than hugs... feirce ignorance over peaceful sharing

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I'm being nice to the U.S. taxpayer who is sick and tired of supporting these illegals. Tell ya what Mr. Peaceful...next time some illegal Mexican lady has a baby, YOU can be kind enough to fork over the $3,000 for the expense and leave the rest of us ignorant tax payers out of it!:thumbsup:

you still don't realize in the end of my idea they are back in mexico... why can't you understand that??

that's $3,000 is either, a) going to be spent everytime if nothing is done
b) be spent on sending less a few out of 20,000,000 immagrants home (your plan)
or c) spend it on them in mexico, so they go back there and the ones that are there can make it a better place so we don't have to do this again...

when will you understand it's the same money??

tell you what mister ignorant, next time you wanna spend billions on building a wall why not try to spend it making the world a better place... I'm sorry if that is such a grave concept for you... but I was taught to believe love is better than hate... we are all humans, there is no need to spend THE SAME MOENY on sperating us when THE SAME MONEY could be spent on giving them a better place to live...

please... please... please... go back and read a little... I really don't think I made it that confusing... I agree I mistype a bit and use FUCKING IGNORANT alot... but that's cause this is a real easy concept to get... love beterr than hate... bridges better than walls... peace better than war...

same money if they are here... if there is a wall.. or if we help them in mexico...

you're choosing to seperate and cause hate.... i'm choosing combine and create peace... so next time a mexican lady has a baby be grateful it costs as much to feed, clothe, house, and educate her child as it would be to build a wall and kick her out... you be happy about that... think about that when you have your wall in mind... cause IT'S THE SAME FUCKING MONEY...

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you still don't realize in the end of my idea they are back in mexico... why can't you understand that??

that's $3,000 is either, a) going to be spent everytime if nothing is done
b) be spent on sending less a few out of 20,000,000 immagrants home (your plan)
or c) spend it on them in mexico, so they go back there and the ones that are there can make it a better place so we don't have to do this again...

So that illegal Mexican woman can have her kid on the streets and not on our tax payers money? Where's the extra cash to afford their being here and rebuilding Mexico...ANSWER PLEASE...FOR ONCE!

when will you understand it's the same money??

tell you what mister ignorant, next time you wanna spend billions on building a wall why not try to spend it making the world a better place... I'm sorry if that is such a grave concept for you... but I was taught to believe love is better than hate... we are all humans, there is no need to spend THE SAME MOENY on sperating us when THE SAME MONEY could be spent on giving them a better place to live...

please... please... please... go back and read a little... I really don't think I made it that confusing... I agree I mistype a bit and use FUCKING IGNORANT alot... but that's cause this is a real easy concept to get... love beterr than hate... bridges better than walls... peace better than war...

same money if they are here... if there is a wall.. or if we help them in mexico...

you're choosing to seperate and cause hate.... i'm choosing combine and create peace... so next time a mexican lady has a baby be grateful it costs as much to feed, clothe, house, and educate her child as it would be to build a wall and kick her out... you be happy about that... think about that when you have your wall in mind... cause IT'S THE SAME FUCKING MONEY...

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FACT:
Most of the U.S. LEGAL citizens want them deported.

Our border patrol are under gun fire.

They'll cost the U.S. taxpayers a total of a quarter trillion dollars within the next 5 years.

So called "peace lovers" don't want to flip the bill (When I proposed this to ya, you didn't say o.k., I will)

Summary:

Let the 5% of U.S. citizens use their tax dollars to rebuild Mexico and let the other 95% build a beautiful wall and ship their illegal asses back to Mexico to enjoy all you have done for them!:D
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5% across 5 years estimated at a quarter trillion gives ya 12.5 billion to work with....that should get the darlings some bottled water at least!

Lets see here now...that leaves the rest of us with 237.5 billion to work with.......Still looks like a beutiful wall, limo rides for all, and you can still blow daisys all over Mexico.:thumbsup:

the fact that you still don't understand they go back with my idea is so incredably ignorant it's a fucking joke... you've become worse than bong...

and when you realize that instead of spending that 237.5 billion on a wall you could have built plenty of houses/hospitals/schools in mexico... so they have a place to live/make money/ and prosper... not in america... with the same amount of money spent...

what is so hard to figure out about that... I don't wanna flip any bill I wanna take the money you are wasting on guns and walls and spend them on bettering the world... blow fucking daisys over that....

stop trying to make me believe what you are and just take 5 minutes to read what I am trying to explain to you... because it is really frustrating knowing you're the mod and you either
a) are too stupid to understand what I am saying or
b) not reading it and just posting your opinion...

they all leave with my idea... why can you not understand that??
you need money with yours.. i need money with mine... it's the same money....

they all leave... with the same amout of money spent...

results of yours... we kick 20,000,000 into a place they don't want to be and spend more money making sure they don't come back

results of mine... we give them a place they want to go... so they leave and don't come back...

same money... same goal... yours evil... mine nice... does that make it any easier for you??

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the fact that you still don't understand they go back with my idea is so incredably ignorant it's a fucking joke... you've become worse than bong...

They do go back with your plan....AFTER you prove to them that your improvements makes THEIR OWN country more appealing than ours (all within 5 yrs. of couse)....free health care, no taxes, higher pay scales, etc....

and when you realize that instead of spending that 237.5 billion on a wall you could have built plenty of houses/hospitals/schools in mexico... so they have a place to live/make money/ and prosper... not in america... with the same amount of money spent...

Sorry buddy, can't spend that cash now because we have to SUPPLY free health care, etc........SPENT MONEY, since they're staying till you fix their country AND THEN convince them it's better at home!

what is so hard to figure out about that... I don't wanna flip any bill I wanna take the money you are wasting on guns and walls and spend them on bettering the world... blow fucking daisys over that....

Money is spent, you pissed it away keeping your welfare cases here in the U.S.
stop trying to make me believe what you are and just take 5 minutes to read what I am trying to explain to you... because it is really frustrating knowing you're the mod and you either
a) are too stupid to understand what I am saying or
b) not reading it and just posting your opinion...

they all leave with my idea... why can you not understand that??
you need money with yours.. i need money with mine... it's the same money....

they all leave... with the same amout of money spent...

results of yours... we kick 20,000,000 into a place they don't want to be and spend more money making sure they don't come back

YOU want to rebuild that shit hole, not me!

results of mine... we give them a place they want to go... so they leave and don't come back...

At what cost to the U.S.? I answered your money questions...ANSWER THIS!!! Use links and not "opinions".:D I did!

same money... same goal... yours evil... mine nice... does that make it any easier for you??

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Mine economically fiscal......yours, bullshit....does that make it easier for you?

ya, you pretty much helped me out... you're ignorant

you argue no better than Bong and I'm sorry I didn't realize that with your pentagon BS... but, you still doing a great job at being a Mod... but you are ignorant when it comes to a different view

I completly understand your view and plan and understand where your money comes from...

I can find just as many BS plans taxpayers pay that you did... mine is only bullshit because you don't agree not because of the money...

you don't want to rebuild mexico... it's not about the money... you just don't want to help out... I just hope you understand that... I want to help them and give them a reason to go.... you just want to kick them out... that's is the only difference between our plans.. you calling mine bullshit is only because you don't want to help and you disagree with giving them money...

how long is it gonna take you to build that wall by the way?? and how long is it going to take you to round up the 20.000.000 people?? you really wanna talk about flaws in plans... you really think you can do yours in 5 years?? you think we just stop paying with yours?? if we don't stop till they leave then where do you get your money from?? we can't use the money if they are still here can we?? are you just going to ask them?? cause you need money to round them up and get them out... and you won't get that till they leave... and they can't leave till they get that money... oh, shit... your plan has yet another flaw... but even when you do get them out... you still need to build that wall... if you think it can be done in 5 years your just proving your stupidty even further... so until that wall is there they are still coming back, costing more money and still using the money you need... uh, oh... another flaw...


how is it that you can get the money for them for not being here to round them up and get them out?? when you answer that question follow it with 'and that can be used to help rebuild'... cause it's going to be the same time... then when you answer the question of the money to build the wall (untill they stop coming in) follow it with 'and that can be used to build their country and give them a reason to go back....

then when you ask yourself how much will it cost to keep the wall maintained, armed, gunned, manned.... think of how much you could keep giving to mexico to help them maintain their better nation... giving them a reason to stay...

look at canada... why don't you want a wall there?? they can come in too... why not build one there?? cause they don't want to come cause they have a nice country... wht can't we just try to do the same for mexico.. if we are really the nation fighting for freedom, why not help our nieghbor...

you said do something to make em move back, what about the marijuana legalization along with coke, ect. Dont know if they tend to make this fully legal, or tolerant? Sounds more like a plan to get people back there or get more tourist's to me, not a bad idea as long as it can be controlled i guess. plus they have that song with heavy rotation playing in mezico saying "Cross the border and Die" pretty much

my bad, just realized mexico city refused the law about legalizing drugz, too bad

bush told him no, so they didn't sign it into law... no drugs in mexico...

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Originally Posted by Gumby

ya, you pretty much helped me out... you're ignorant

you argue no better than Bong and I'm sorry I didn't realize that with your pentagon BS... but, you still doing a great job at being a Mod... but you are ignorant when it comes to a different view

I completly understand your view and plan and understand where your money comes from...

I can find just as many BS plans taxpayers pay that you did... mine is only bullshit because you don't agree not because of the money...

you don't want to rebuild mexico... it's not about the money... you just don't want to help out... I just hope you understand that... I want to help them and give them a reason to go.... you just want to kick them out... that's is the only difference between our plans.. you calling mine bullshit is only because you don't want to help and you disagree with giving them money...

how long is it gonna take you to build that wall by the way?? and how long is it going to take you to round up the 20.000.000 people?? you really wanna talk about flaws in plans... you really think you can do yours in 5 years?? you think we just stop paying with yours?? if we don't stop till they leave then where do you get your money from?? we can't use the money if they are still here can we?? are you just going to ask them?? cause you need money to round them up and get them out... and you won't get that till they leave... and they can't leave till they get that money... oh, shit... your plan has yet another flaw... but even when you do get them out... you still need to build that wall... if you think it can be done in 5 years your just proving your stupidty even further... so until that wall is there they are still coming back, costing more money and still using the money you need... uh, oh... another flaw...


how is it that you can get the money for them for not being here to round them up and get them out?? when you answer that question follow it with 'and that can be used to help rebuild'... cause it's going to be the same time... then when you answer the question of the money to build the wall (untill they stop coming in) follow it with 'and that can be used to build their country and give them a reason to go back....

then when you ask yourself how much will it cost to keep the wall maintained, armed, gunned, manned.... think of how much you could keep giving to mexico to help them maintain their better nation... giving them a reason to stay...

look at canada... why don't you want a wall there?? they can come in too... why not build one there?? cause they don't want to come cause they have a nice country... wht can't we just try to do the same for mexico.. if we are really the nation fighting for freedom, why not help our nieghbor...

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You ask me a question as to where the money will come and also call me ignorant for even suggesting that it would be available. I PROVE to you that the money would be available and in the long run we'd even see net savings.

I ask you where YOUR money is coming from and there is no response except for bullshit slams and how is this wall going to be maintained. Well, as far as maintanance, I do believe the estimate in 5 years, supporting your illegal buddies is at $61,000,000,000.....I'll use that for maintanance and with the National Guards help (people already on the budget) we'll have security on the border.


Now answer me for ONCE!

HOW DO YOU PROPOSE TO FIND THE MONEY TO SUPPORT YOUR BUDDIES IN THE U.S. AND ALSO REBUILD MEXICO? You cant!

HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO COMPLETELY OVERHAUL THE INFRUSTRUCTURE OF MEXICO? You don't have a clue!

PLEASE feel free to change the answers and remember, supply supportive links.:D

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

You ask me a question as to where the money will come and also call me ignorant for even suggesting that it would be available. I PROVE to you that the money would be available and in the long run we'd even see net savings.

I ask you where YOUR money is coming from and there is no response except for bullshit slams and how is this wall going to be maintained. Well, as far as maintanance, I do believe the estimate in 5 years, supporting your illegal buddies is at $61,000,000,000.....I'll use that for maintanance and with the National Guards help (people already on the budget) we'll have security on the border.


Now answer me for ONCE!

HOW DO YOU PROPOSE TO FIND THE MONEY TO SUPPORT YOUR BUDDIES IN THE U.S. AND ALSO REBUILD MEXICO? You cant!

HOW MUCH DOES IT COST TO COMPLETELY OVERHAUL THE INFRUSTRUCTURE OF MEXICO? You don't have a clue!

PLEASE feel free to change the answers and remember, supply supportive links.:D

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I do believe the estimate in 5 years, supporting your illegal buddies is at $61,000,000,000.....I'll use that for maintanance and with the National Guards help (people already on the budget) we'll have security on the border...

I'm going to use that money... that has what I have been saying the whole time... the same money you are going to use... I do not know numbers but you also don't have numbers for rounding them up... our government hasn't figured it up yet... no one knows... no one knows the impact of them leaving... of how much it will take away from our economy... you don't have that figured in...

But either way... the same money you want to use to build a wall with I want to help out mexico with... the same money ... why don't you understand that...

if you want to debate plans then please say that and I'll be more than happy to go through your bus and 8th wonder and point out what is wrong... but why don't you understand that the same money you want to use and purpose to use, I want to use...

why can you not understand that I can use the same money you can... there is nothing to debate about that... why do you keep thinking that is the issue?? it's not... it's the same money...

the only thing that is different is that you want to build a wall and I want to help mexico...

i believe it is closer to 12,000,000 not 20,000,000. and I would say have them pay taxes before we give them aid instead of the other way around. and no democracy in the world would deport all of them... except maybe Mexico, but they have a big problem with those people from Guatemala (Mexicans are encouraged to beat, rape, shoot, and steal from illegal immigrants living in Mexico)

the main reason to tighten up the borders (look it's plural) is for our own safety. i would have to assume that Canada has better security than Mexico though, therefore Mexico should be the first priority. also, in Canada the terrorists will freeze their desert lovin nuts off...

a statistic said something along the lines of 40% of all weapons people attempt to cross the Mexican border with actually make it. this includes weapons of more impact than small arms, such as explosives.

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Originally Posted by Gumby

I do believe the estimate in 5 years, supporting your illegal buddies is at $61,000,000,000.....I'll use that for maintanance and with the National Guards help (people already on the budget) we'll have security on the border...

I'm going to use that money... that has what I have been saying the whole time... the same money you are going to use... I do not know numbers but you also don't have numbers for rounding them up... our government hasn't figured it up yet... no one knows... no one knows the impact of them leaving... of how much it will take away from our economy... you don't have that figured in...

But either way... the same money you want to use to build a wall with I want to help out mexico with... the same money ... why don't you understand that...

The same money??? The money I'M talking about is the money saved by NOT HAVING THEM HERE! Your keeping them here and rebuildiing Mexico....

if you want to debate plans then please say that and I'll be more than happy to go through your bus and 8th wonder and point out what is wrong... but why don't you understand that the same money you want to use and purpose to use, I want to use...

Because it's not....your plan has them staying in the U.S. costing us that cash, mine has their free ride done and the cash is availabe...BIG DIFFERENCE!

why can you not understand that I can use the same money you can... there is nothing to debate about that... why do you keep thinking that is the issue?? it's not... it's the same money...

the only thing that is different is that you want to build a wall and I want to help mexico...

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You really can't be this thick. SERIOUSLY!:eek:

it will cost you money to find them and put them on busses... it will cost you money for people to do that and for gas for the busses... it will cost you money to keep the paper work for them.... it will cost you money to get them out...

you will not have the money for them not being here until you get them out...

and you cannot get them out unless you have money...

that money... the money you will use to get them out with... the money you will use before they leave... that is the money I will use... the same money...

when they leave we will save money... the money you purpose to build a wall and keep it maintained... that money... the money for them not being here...

that money will go for them to stay in mexico... they came here with out anyone having to round them up and ship them out... if we give them a reason to go back to mexico..... we don't have to spend the money you need to ship them out...

mine would cost less than your plan... and it would be the same money... please understand that, I'm getting tried of trying to explain the fact that both cost money and that it's the same money..

psycho i understand what you mean about it being different money...
so where would the money come from?
it's a good idea

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Originally Posted by xblackdogx

psycho i understand what you mean about it being different money...
so where would the money come from?
it's a good idea

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I look at TODAYS cost and compare it to the future cost. We can begin projects, go to war, send foreign aid, etc....on a moments notice so it's not like we can't find deportation cash. Look at posts #85 and #86 where I put in actual expenses we see today and what they project for up to 2020. If we spend the money today on this massive of a project at todays costs, we will be saving close to a quarter trillion dollars by the end of a five year period.

This year alone is going to cost the fed $36,000,000,000! Spend THAT money now to begin deportation and construction with U.S. labor. They show up at a jail, deport, hospital, deport. At least those wages will be taxable and also be kept in our market of being sent off to some other country to help out granny.

â??Give a man a fish; you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish; and you will not have to listen to his incessant whining about how hungry he is.â?�

About 10% of Mexico's total population is in the U.S. illegally.....let them go home and do some fishing! They've been taught how to fish being here illegal learning the system.

^^ yea i understand...
i was directing my question portion to gumby...
it was clear in my mind, but not descriptive in my post :p

i meant it was a good idea gumby,
but where would the money come from ?

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Originally Posted by xblackdogx

^^ yea i understand...
i was directing my question portion to gumby...
it was clear in my mind, but not descriptive in my post :p

i meant it was a good idea gumby,
but where would the money come from ?

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I've been asking the same thing over and over......:rolleyes:

One LAST time attempt here:

You have a neighboy...dog is shitting in your backyard and you notice the neighboy himself in your kitchen stealing food from your fridge. You mention it to the neighbor and he laughs and does it again, and again. :mad:

My thinking is that I fence my backyard from having dog shit all over and put better locks on my doors and windows to keep the neighbor out. I suppose I could just shoot the both of em' but I'm a peaceful man!:D

Gumby wants me to believe that he would use fence money and lock money to fertilize his neighbors yard so it will be more appealing for the dog to shit in and also load the neighbors fridge so he don't steal any more food.:rolleyes: