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The governments attempt to regulate morality has proven itself to be ineffective and having the tendency to cause more problems than being solved.
As a democracy, it is impossible to impose a law upon the American people that they do not wish follow.
What do you mean so what? Then, you try and compare a completely unrelated example... If the choice is there it is up to the user whether or not they partake in eating or vapourizing. How do you know "hardly anyone does it" That's a pretty farfetched statement. I'll agree that most pot is smoked. However, everyone has free will, they're not forced to smoke it. There are very minor, if any negative side effects when you don't smoke it. All the health stats I've heard about weed all say this. Cannabis: (solely) has never killed anyone. Smoked or not!!!!! There is pretty much no ld-50 for cannabis. I love mary jane. :rasta:Quote:
Originally Posted by tadaa
Technically, I don't think you're allowed to drive 5mph, isn't there a rule against driving too slow? :)
Tadaa how old are you? 13? 14?
You have no bases for any of your arguments. Just so you know, I'm a college grad with 4.0 GPA, not that it matters in the real world - something I doubt you know. Does cannabis make you lazy? Well, so far the only lazy idiot I see here is you. You said you smoke, then mentioned everyone who smokes are idiots and lazy. Guess you base all your arguments on personal experience. Especially since you told us your GPA of 1.75 (Wow, you are truly a loser).
I doubt you even drive since if you did, you would know that it's illegal to drive 5mph on the shoulder - moron.
More people are unsuccessful than successful if they smoke cannabis? Prove it. So far the only unsuccessful moron here is you. Sure there are lazy idiots - such as yourself, but they are lazy idiots, cannabis smokers or not.
Now I must get going. I have responsibilities to fulfill - something you have no clue about since you are probably a baby.
Ja ne,
The Duderino
p.s. 3 out of 300 million? Don't make me laugh :D .
I don't even know what to say about this. My gpa wasn't 1.75, read the posts again you fucking idiot. If you would have read this thread you would know half the questions you asked in your post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theduderino
I think you may be the one who needs to read something. Have you noticed you're the only one defending yourself? Have you noticed everyone who tried to tell you that you are wrong uses sources and gives links to back up their information?? Are you aware that you find a word or two from a response and make a retorical statment about it as a defense?? Are you aware you're an idiot?? Do you just do it to get a rise out of us, cause you only seem to dig deeper and deeper everytime you talk?? Or do you actually believe yourself?? Are you really that ignorant?? I'm done trying to debate with you because through this whole post, and others, you've never made a single point that has any backing whatsoever. Disagree with us all, that's fine... that's what makes debate great, but when you do please just use something educational.Quote:
Originally Posted by tadaa
Everyone except me is saying that marijuana has no negative side effects, give me a fucking break.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gumby
Well, that's the whole reason why I'm arguing. I'm looking for proof of "true" negativity. Come to find it, Cancer isn't one of them. Every negative aspect that you spoke of, tadaa, has been proven false, by people like Dr. Xiao Zhang.
A study isn't proof. These aren't scientific laws we're dealing with. There's just as many studies that show the opposite, you know that.Quote:
Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs
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Originally Posted by Bill Bennett
Tadaa! He's a troll AND a drug czar!
:p
tadaa... i agree there are some negative effects to smoking... smoking anything will have negative effets on you... everything has negative effects. But what you fail to do is show how anyone you argue with is wrong. Look through this post and see how many links people have provided for you... look how many you've provided.
Although a study isn't law and there is debate to be had, you have yet to even show a study. So your 'word' is for sure much less ceditable than a study. So please at least show us a study... so some sort of evidence that what you say has merit... that is all were are asking of you.
read any of the links in this post as well... i'd start with http://www.jackherer.com/chapters.html and go from there. If you have anyi information contradicting this, please let us know.... I'd love to read it and talk about it... that's how people educate themselves, if you weren't aware. Listening to what someone says and believing it is ignorance and we all can see you are following that trend.
remember where i listed marijuana side-effects? remember the side-effects listed in the pamphlet? i think those are the side effects that you seem to believe we aren't saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by tadaa
remember where i listed marijuana side-effects? remember the side-effects listed in the pamphlet? i think those are the side effects that you seem to believe we aren't saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by tadaa
i think this debate is getting a little bit personal. i put my GPA out there as an example that i'm not lazy. now people are just fighting on a forum... debating on the internet almost always becomes immature (hey, that's a generalization. like everyone smokes and nobody eats or vaporizes)
Hmm... I can't come up with a statement to resolve this. Okay I have one. The only reason this started is because someone didn't read posts carefully enough. This continued because people didn't read carefully enough. To be involved in a days long debate due to people being careless readers is pathetic, on both sides.
tadaa, show us these negative side-effects you speak so much about...link us please.
I think its safe to say tadaa's names should be changed to
tadee dee dee!!!! (thanks carlos)
running your mouth proves nothing, have some physical evidence, some links, some proof!!
Toucheé, where's your evidence? Personal experience? Well, remember one thing tadaa, we're all different. So if you are a lazy, drop-out, doesn't mean everyone else is. In fact, I have a lot of friends with Masters and PhDs - friends who toke with me all the time. They are successful, responsible, and punctual. There is nothing lazy about them. I myself have a Bachelor's degree and I am successful, responsible, and very punctual. Don't assume unless you have the proof to back you up. If you have no proof, then shut the hell up because, so far, none of us are listening to your bull.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kryzco
The Duderino
I'm high as fuck right now and that was a tight read.
Btw, Kryzco wanna chat sometime?
I think it has become apparent in recent threads about legalization that tadaa is totally against it and i seriously doubt if he even smokes weed.
If he does I'm sure he is one of the lazy bums we all hear about as being "hippies".
I, for one, go to college, work about 45 hours a week, umpire little leauge baseball for extra money and also am about to get a new car.
My girlfriend, goes to school, (only 12 hours though), and works 60-80 hours a week in a high stress environment. She works at one of the largest mental institutions in the US.
It has become obvious (through tadaa's lack of info provided and his unwillingness to listen to anyone) that he is anti legalization. I hope for all of our sakes that he finds something better to occupy his time with than coming on a marijuana forum and arguing against legalization, all while using ONLY what he can think of to back his arguments. I can personally think of about 79,450,891 things he could be doing that would be better use of his time. Many of which involve a gun, a blind fold, and some sort of high traffic interstate. Im really not even sure where i was going with that, but that combo sounded pretty deadly to me...lol
Anyway...im sure he'll come on here whenever he gets done jerkin it to gay porn with his "friend" (yeah right) and berate me by choosing a few words of this post, and saying some stupid shit he came up with off the top of his head.
We all post research that backs our statements, i have yet to be able to click a link of his. I dont think he even knows how to research anything.
And seriously dude, making fun of someone's gpa (A 4.0 AT THAT) is not cool, especially considering that YOU were the one talking about stoners being lazy and "burnouts". You should not be so 2 faced. Either support it or dont, but dont say dumb shit like "high school isnt even that hard", when it was YOU that brought it up.
sorry...i double posted....
Well, seems like we all agree to this so might as well just ignore that freak since all it'll do is fuel his pathetic fire. Btw, like your example of what he should do ;) .Quote:
Originally Posted by m4ster chef
Being stupid, lazy, or irresponsible has nothing to do with what you smoke. There are plenty of lazy bums out there who never smoked cannabis and couldn't even afford a joint if they wanted to try. Btw, keep in mind, cannabis is expensive, those who smoke it all the time, most likely, are making good money and are successful because they couldn't get the money out of their ass. They would have no choice but to be responsible.
But, as I mentioned before, you can't really debate against us if all your proof is from personal experience. Oh wait, you said your GPA wasn't 1.75... Must be lower :dance: . Anyway, I'm sure all we'll get from you is 'you fucking moron, blah blah blah' so you might as well not post here anymore, since no one will listen.
The Duderino
While I agree that naturally lazy people are always going to acheive less, weed can still make people more lazy.
Only those who are lazy in the first place. I smoke on a regular basis and in no way am I lazy or have become lazier from smoking.
If someone is naturally a lazy person, then yes, cannabis will make them more lazy. Just remember, they were already lazy without it. That's the difference.
The Duderino
I don't believe that. I believe people who are more active can become more lazy; not over the long term, though. You've never had couchlock? I'm sure there are a few people on this board who would say yes even though they are more active.
Actually, I've quit...for more than 30 days now. Not by choice, trust me I'd rather have it....but it wasn't anything for me and my husband to stop doing it. After the first few days wishin you had it, you get over it and start hoping for it, LOL. But, i didn't take the time to read the pamplet . . . I only have a limited time online these days; so I can't give my opinion on that but I do know this:::: people hear the negative facts all the time from everyone, and from those people stating the negative don't always state the positive, so its ok every now and then to just give one side -- ecspecially common sense would inform a person of the effects, just like previously mentioned -- anything that brings pleasure can become addicting in one way or another. I think at this point the message of "green" does need to get out there, people always hear the negative..so why not shed some light on the possitive? Plus, I read someone mentioend something about footnotes...I dunno, just wanted to share my opinion; have a nice day all.
When it comes to real life, no one has time to be lazy, otherwise making a living is a bitch. No I never had couchlock because all my life it was hard work at school, then college, then work everyday.
I get up at 5am everyday, don't even remember the last time I slept in. Also don't use an alarmclock, my body's used to getting up early whether I like it or not. I run a few miles everyday, work out, stretch, run errands, and work.
The only time I can actually enjoy the couch is when I'm totally done with everything, usually around 10pm. Then I can sit, and enjoy a good J while watching a good movie before I rest, around midnight, only to get up and work again.
Trust me, if you're the sort who is active all the time, the only reason they could be couchlock would be if they didn't have a job and have nothing else to do. I even met people who are very calm and when they smoke up they suddenly get active, and cannot sit still - kinda annoying since when I smoke it's usually when I'm done with everything and the last thing I need is a friend jumping off the walls, but it happens.
Like I said before, except more elaborate, if an individual is lazy without cannabis, they are lazy with cannabis. If an individual is active without cannabis, and lazy with cannabis, then they're just irresponsible and chose to become lazy.
Cannabis is not the cause, it's all in your mind..
The Duderino
Whatever dude.....erino...
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Originally Posted by Theduderino
i'm pretty sure he meant couchlock the pot, not the person... and there is pot out there that you can smoke and it will make you stick to your couch. But there is also pot out there that will give you energy. People should understand it acts differently from person to person and strand to strand...
http://www.smokersguide.com/sg/Smoke...me_bushdoc.php
http://www.marijuana-uses.com/essays/045.html
those are just a few i found... i know overgrow had a huge list but it's gone now, thanks BUSH!!!
anyways, marijuana can be used for many different things and there and many different types, you have to remember that when you talk about the effect of marijuana.
Congratulations, and I'm far from a hippie. The fact is you refuse to except the facts because you're a habitual user of the substance in question, which is a TEXTBOOK addiction symptom.Quote:
Originally Posted by m4ster chef
If you smoke pot and can't name one negative side effect I don't see how you're smart enough to tie your own shoes.Quote:
Originally Posted by del...
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Originally Posted by tadaa
Blah blah blah - The last words of a defeated moron.
LOL!!!!!!!! :dance:
yeah, just what i figured. it's all crap straight out of your butt. iow, all you have done is litter up eddie's thread with bogus info.
what no one has seen Reefer Madness?? Weed makes you go crazy and kill people... everyone knows that...
Proof? Links? Anything not coming out of your ass? LOL!!!! :dance:Quote:
Originally Posted by tadaa
Take an iq test or a SAT/ACT type test sober, the next day take an iq test after smoking 3 blunts in a row. Not a fucking internet iq test, a real certified one. Then tell me there's no negative side effects when you see the difference in the scores.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gumby
Ok you little fucking baby, go to google and type in substance addiction symptoms, are you really that fucking helpless?Quote:
Originally Posted by Theduderino
hey, but you're the one with all the answers so save us some time and show us where you got all this material you're trying to force us to believe...
or let it drop and quit spewing such crap...which is all i'm after anyway. i'm just tired of seeing all these so-called facts being so carelessly tossed about as hard and proven facts when all they are are myth, conjecture and outright bullshit.
People who smoke marijuana often develop the same kinds of breathing problems that cigarette smokers have: coughing and wheezing. They tend to have more chest colds than nonusers. They are also at greater risk of getting lung infections like pneumonia.
Animal studies have found that THC can damage the cells and tissues in the body that help protect against disease. When the immune cells are weakened you are more likely to get sick.
According to one study, marijuana use by teenagers who have prior antisocial problems can quickly lead to addiction (3). In addition, some frequent, heavy marijuana users develop ??tolerance? to its effects. This means they need larger and larger amounts of marijuana to get the same desired effects as they used to get from smaller amounts.
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# Rodriguez de Fonseca, F.; Carrera, M. R. A.; Navarro, M.; Koob, G. F.; and Weiss, F. Activation of Corticotropin-Releasing Factor in the Limbic System During Cannabinoid Withdrawal. Science, Vol. 276, June 27, 1997.
# Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, Office of Applied Sciences. Preliminary Results From the 1996 National Household Survey on Drug Abuse. DHHS No. (SMA) 97-3149. Rockville, MD: SAMHSA, July 1997.
# University of Michigan. News and Information Services. Drug use among American teens shows signs of leveling after a long rise. December 18, 1997.
Marijuana produces immediate, temporary changes in thoughts, perceptions, and information processing. The cognitive process most clearly affected by marijuana is short-term memory. In laboratory studies, subjects under the influence of marijuana have no trouble remembering things they learned previously. However, they display diminished capacity to learn and recall new information
Lynn Zimmer and John Morgan. Marijuana Myths, Marijuana Facts: A Review of the Scientific Evidence, (New York: The Lindesmith Center, 1997).
That took me about 30 seconds.
man, you have much to learn. when you post your LINK, it must be tied to what you're referencing or else it means nothing. i realize you probably haven't had that class yet but please put it together so it means something to anyone trying to read it and make sense of it. i can post pages and pages of authors and reports but what to they pertain to???
Actually, I have a masters degree, which you would already know if you've read some older threads I've posted in. I know your job of moderating a website is so important you probably didn't have time to look through them. I'm not suprised, though. It was obvious you were going to dis-credit anything I posted. If you have trouble finding studies on marijuana in the internet maybe you should think about getting a different job.Quote:
Originally Posted by del...