Who the fuck inspired this thread anyhow.
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Who the fuck inspired this thread anyhow.
I mentioned somethings he could do... like working at a foodbank or an inner city elementry school. The age thing is an issue, because his opionions seem to be formed off a sophmoric understanding of history.Quote:
Originally Posted by slipknotpsycho
ok yea he can go help out and set an example.... but that doesn't take care of alot of his concerns he voiced in his post.... honestly, how would him volunteering (you said work, and in most states you can't work at that age, or it's very limited) change the screw ups the govt. has in it? how is that going to change the fact the world is driven by greed? you know awhile back, i had a thought (i was like maybe 10 or 11) what if everyone just came together as a community, and worked together, no money, and no one was left out... of course, we'd still need some type of govt./policing system... but how much better off would the world be if everyone worked together, to provide for each other, to protect each other... the only thing that prevents (probably in your words "stupid idea, or unrealistic") is the fact that the world is driven by greed... and that alone keeps every aspect of what i dreamt of when i was young, impossible to work... i can even take it further then penguin, i think the whole idea of money is just fucked... i mean... i've said it many times before and i'll say it over and over again, the rich only get richer and the poor only get poorer.... the poor work their ass off to survive, while the rich sit in a nice a/c'd office, doing absolutely nothing but talking/writing/typing or the like... how is that fair in any way??? it's not, and there's no way you can even begin to justify it... and any of you can flame me all you want, i really don't care.. cuz i'm confident in the fact that i have a mind and excersize the ability to use it on my own, to form my own opinions.. to not listen to what everyone tells me and assume it's right just because they were elected into a place of power....
Dude, advocating anrcho-libertarianism does not make you a fucking free-thinker. It's been advocated before and it has been done a lot more eloqunetly then you do. And then you have the balls to challenge my ability to be a free thinker? Part of being a free-thinker is being able to synthesize facts and formulate an original opinion. All the facts that Penguin used are highly subjective (and inacruate).
I've spent so much time correcting you, now I will give you my view:
Government has two functions, one is protecting the general welfare of its citizens (a spinoff of Rousseau), and the other is national security. As a society since the Cold War, we have negelected the general welfare for a hawkish security policy driven by fear to keep the powers that be in order. However, there is a way out.
By getting people involved in the workings of the government, we can deliver election victories that are so overwhelming they can not be ignored. We have to stand firmly for soical equality and justice and elect candidates who do the same. We need to run for office and build a movement from the ground up. Basically, we need to do what the conservatives did in the 60s and orginize a national movement. The pendullum will swing back one day. We can not stop to whine and bitch, we can only work harder every day.
allright, first off, ---ATTENTION SLIPKNOTPSYCHO--- i saw a comment you made on my first post on this thread. You mentioned that you weren't out of high school, but for some reason i think youve said youre married. i remeebr you making references to your wife a lot, am i imagining things or what..? but yeah, i gotta still stick behind my accusations on high school kids not having credible opinions on deep thinking questions like this. im sorry, but life is based off of EXPERIENCES, experiences that take years and years to accumulate, once youre off living on your own and not having mommy telling you what to do, then it would make more sense.
teenagers can speculate as much as they want, but living through various events that help you construct these opinions is more credible
Wrong.
So wrong.
"Getting people involved" My friend, let ME clue you in on a couple of things.
Number one, people are already as involved as they can be. If there's something seriously stressing them, they go out and write a letter to their congressman (been there, done that)
Number two, the government institutions for helping the needy are poor at best. Not only are thousands of people kept from benefiting from these programs which they so desperately need, but the funding for the programs is being slashed. This country is in a multi-TRILLION dollar defecit from things ranging from Hurricane Katrina to the War in Iraq. In order to cope with the massive debt, budgets are being cut, and guess which ones are getting cut first?
I'm talking about your ego. It's more then government lies, it's lies about yourself and your place in society. But yeah, I guess the way everything is set up in this country is responsible for the low uptake of useful information to the brain... and that is the governments fault. So I guess yeah, they are evil... and deceptive. They do no good... they show good but really the entire world would be better off with the foreboding US government.Quote:
Originally Posted by zephyrinne
You think the more you progress through your meaningless life, the more your mind opens up to new things? Thats your brain trying to find some entertainment in this dull country.
Shut up. I'm not doing this or speculating because mommy told me so, and I don't need to have LIVED in this country any longer than I have to know what's going on. What makes living 10, 20, whatever more years experiencing the same shit I do so special?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kronus76
Not only that, but thinking that you have to experience something to know is something so asenine and naive, it's hard for me to even begin. Do I live in a ghetto? No. Do I know what it's like in a ghetto? Yes. Am I the President? No. Do I know what the President can, can't, will, and won't do? Yes.
It's not a matter of experience, it's a matter of knowledge. Experience is just another way of aquiring knowledge, just as much as RESEARCH is.
I stopped reading your posts after your last one... would you just stfu with historical facts and statistical bullshit and discuss the matter at hand? Working at a foodbank is nice, but it won't don't shit all. You're so fucking blind it shows... you make these essay posts with facts and shit but you completely miss the point of this thread... all I caught in this post was "anrcho-libertarianism" and when I saw that I couldn't read on. Stop labelling his idea... that's not even what it is... and don't come back with some facts about anrcho-libertarianism for christ sakes, you'll just make yourself look more like a fool.Quote:
Originally Posted by insanity
since when is it required to graduate high school to be married? i am married and i did NOT graduate high school, and it had nothing to do with me being lazy, a drop out or any of that shit so i wanna cut that off right now.. the only, and i mean ONLY reason i didn't graduate is because my grandma had me homeschooled for the last portion of my school life, then when i was 18 i found out that it wasn't reconized by the state of texas, so all my hard work went to shit... i went back to public school (only allowed to stay in public school, atleast in this county til you're 20, then you have to pay for it which i did not, nor do i have now the money to do so, kind of ironic isn't it? i have to have money to go to school so i can make money...) and was supposed to be in an accelerated program but my stupid counselor would never get off her ass and put me in it, or for some other reason didn't work out (been awhile, i was pissed back then i was basicly given a giant middle finger and pissing on my foot)Quote:
Originally Posted by Kronus76
now onto the next thing... and tell me, mr. so original thought... how is your thoughts original if there are only 2, maybe 3 sides to this debate in the first place... no one's thoughts are original but those thinking outside the box... next, from what i remember, it doesn't even matter what the people vote for in the presidental elections, it all comes down back to the electoral college... so it doesn't really matter how many people vote.. because your govt. just gave you a gian middle finger and told you your thoughts don't fuckin matter... and if you think the dick heads actually check the polls of what the american people want, you're sorely mistaken... i still don't understand how anyone, and i mean ANYONE on this site can be for the govt.... atleast the one america has now... when none of you, and i mean NONE of you actually follow the laws set by your precious govt. since they are the ones that decide whether or not our precious plant is illegal in this country....
i don't think half of you actualy stop to think of what you're actually saying, i think you just want to argue cuz you have nothing better to do, stress build up, sexual frustration, the list could go on and on.... and some of you seem to just want to use big words, to impress others, but don't actually think what your words mean... your words mean this (those saying the govt. is fine and dandy): YOU ARE A HYPOCRITE period. there's no two ways about it... if you think you're govt. works fine when people speak out what they want, then stop smoking weed until it is legalized in the USA... if you're going to support this shit you call a govt. don't do it half-assed.. do it right. if you're so sure the govt. works the way you all like to make it seem, then do the right thing and stop knowingly/willingly commiting these crimes (smoking weed is a prime example) and go ahead and you do it by the system...
another thing, if age matters, and age effects wisdom... why are there kids that are 15-16 that are fucking geniuses, yet there are 30-40 year olds working at burger king, and still having problems on how to make a whopper? age doesn't make a dick when it comes to wisdom, experience does, but age doesn't dictate experience in any way, shape or form. i can't prove anything, but from the way some of you talk, i'm willing to bet i have experienced more, learned more and absorbed more knowledge in my 20 years of life then most of you have or will have by 30.....
it really fucking bothers me that most of you twist shit around so that it fits your needs, whenever it's convienent rather than staying true to yourself and everyone else... prime example: you are supportive of the govt. and think it has little or no problems, and that the system works just fine, yet you smoke weed while it's still illegal... like i said, if the system works just fine, stop fucking smoking illegal drugs until your precious govt. that knows what's best for you and would never wrong you, declares it safe and legal... which, atleast i'm realistic when i say i doubt it will ever happen, because then the govt. would have to eat it's own damn words, and they know this... and as it's shown us before, eating it's own words is not something it does....
Actually experience comes easier when you're young.
But nevermind them Slitknoto, they know not why they do.
FUCK! I realized that a doublemajor in political science and history has been thwarted by a bunch of highschool kids who live off mommy and daddy. Tear.
See, that was a cop out. Your intelligence was questioned, so you whipped out a piece of paper stating that you devoted (and wasted) a portion of your life to studying a subject that, quite handily, proves us all wrong just because you have it. Do you honestly believe that means you are the affinitive authority on it all? Do you honestly believe that you, and you alone, are right because of that piece of paper?
Your naivete knows no bounds.
Its called sarcasm dude. I don't think I'm better then you, I just think that your position was based off bad history and facts, and when I tried to point it out I caught a shitstorm for being right. Its just silly.
Your never right on this board, because there will always be one person here who disagrees with you
wonderful quote! i'm putting it in my sig... and i feel that insanity felt intimidated by someone's post, or just couldn't come up with a logical argument to mine...Quote:
Originally Posted by Mary Jane x3
oh! is that so! are you black and decker's bitch?Quote:
Originally Posted by insanity
Written history is one reason why idiots dwell in the past and the funny thing is, most of your countries history is based on lies. If you took your classes so literally, I'd guess that you are a major pod.Quote:
Originally Posted by insanity
[QUOTE=CocaCola]Written history is one reason why idiots dwell in the past QUOTE]
LOL.. God help you..
No, God help you.
???
if you don't understand why (s)he said god help you... it's because (i think) they're going along the lines of "history repeats itself, if we forget the history, shit like the nazi crap will happen again.. which personally i don't believe in... i mean we don't have to study this shit extensively, even a reminder once in awhile would be suffiecient enough to keep it fresh enough in our minds that if "remembering what did happen, means it would not happen again" really held true, it would keep it from happening again... i mean we don't have to know names, dates and all that bullshit just to keep shit like the nazi's from happening again (sorry for my rant, i really hated history.. i found it quite pointless.. well atleast by 7th grade, i had already learned just about everything i was going to about history from every grade before that...)Quote:
Originally Posted by CocaCola
I completely agree... but the written word is always bold lie and you should never take it literally. Something to remember not to start ethnic cleansing of surrounding countries and justify killing millions of people to a bunch of brainwashed patriots, sure... but no matter what you've read about the Nazi War, you don't know the whole story so you don't know what EXACTLY happened. And what exactly happened isn't the point... it's what happened on a grander scale. Why did this happen? Did it have to happen?
in terms of truthfull-ness i worry more about the older shit (say 1700's and earlier?) because, it would have been waaaaaaay easier to lie and get away with shit back then, then say durring world war II due to the lack of readiness to be able to conversate with other countries/leaders, lack of no video/picture proof of anything and so on... not saying it would even be hard to lie and get away with it on a large scale these days, but it sure as hell would of been aloooot easier then 300 years ago...
It's not just politics I'm talking about.
oh yes i know, i was just giving an example... for instance i might half assed believe some of the shit in the history books at school, i don't believe a single thing in the bible.. i mean.. the shit in the history books seems like looong ago to us.. but in comparison to the bible it's a new born baby... and the longer something's been around (especially somethign that's been translated multiple times to multiple diffrent languages...) the more chance it's had to of been tampered with by humans, or of been mis-translated, and thus, not be completely truthful, if not completely false...
I don't want to type out a long debate right now since Ima so tired, but there is proof that events in the bible did actually occur. Furthermore, I don't think you guys can go on thinking that everything ever published in written word is somehow false or tampered with. Sure, I'll be willing to believe that some things have been tampered with and the truth might have been stretched here and there. History is history, not fiction. There's a seperate category for that. It's the pages of fiction that the reader should not take every word literally, as symbolism goes hand in hand with fiction. I find it hard to believe that someone would lie to you about events like WWI or II, no matter what your reasoning may be. There's no logic in lying to people like that. What does it do besides cover up some big govt. secret, IF there is one. Alright, that's all I got. I'll come back here tomorrow with my debatin' boots on. Peace bros.
first of all where is this proof? if you can't provide some super-natural holy shit right infront of my eyes, then i won't believe the bible... you know that game telephone? where you start off with a word, whisper it to the person next to you, who in turns does the same thing.... just to see how messed up the original word came out... well to me the bible is like that.. but a 2,000+ year long game of it... 2,000 years man, multiple translations (and i'm pretty sure some are very hard to read, and requires an expert in the language to even begin to decipher the messages)... do you honestly expect 2% of it is truthful/accurate? also, i never said they lied about WWII, i had done 2 elaborate reports in school on WWII, 1 on vietnam, and 1 on WWI, after doing all that research i started noticing that things didn't add up. i can't remember the things i found that didn't match up cuz that was years ago, around 6-7 years ago... but they weren't small
next, i never once said i think all history is a lie... i merely stated i'd be sure as hell alot more inclined to believe something's that only 300 years old as opposed to 2,000...
First off, you apparently forgot that I never challenged you on history, but on your approach to the present. Which isn't to say I agree with the simplistic human drives you apparently think all of history boils down to. You're 15 and that's great, and in no way a limitation, but (hopefully) you'll continue to grow up and by the time you're 20, maybe the picture will seem different, and bigger, than it was before? I've seen a lot of people spend so much time talking big game that they never had time for anything else, and 5 years later they're still... talking.Quote:
Originally Posted by P.E.N.G.U.I.N.
Not a fate I'd wish on anyone.
As you say, it's my choice to agree/disagree with you. And believe me, every visit here makes me thankful that I have enough intellect to get my opinions from somewhere other than a cannabis website. Share away, be the revolutionary prophet of cannabis.com if you want. But maybe you could take some time and do some revolutionary work in the real world. Where we so desperately need it.
I'm so very tired of people thinking they do they're part online.
I've never questioned your passion Penguin, only your motivation. If you truly think that all government is flawed, that it's all a matter of gangs and rules of force, then what's the point of revolution anyway?
Just to be on top? Just to be king of the mountain and make the people under you suffer for a change?
I hope you'll continue to grow and see other revolutionary possibilities.
Fight the good fight, and make sure its worth fighting for.
I guess I wouldn't want to call you "better" per say. But you've definately demonstrated a better assessment of the facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by insanity
Mad props man. That sounds like an intense double-major.
And as anyone with a nice piece of paper should know, it's not the paper that's important, but rather the insights and understandings gained. Or something like that, I dunno, my scrap of paper says philosophy on it.
As paper its without any real value, but with over four years experiece in critical thinking, I like to think of it as something worthwhile.
Anyway, to conclude, way to conduct yourself with a little class insanity. Don't think it's not appreciated.
Will you help?
i don't understand how anyone can object to world war 2. in my opinion it was the only war that was necessary. if you have a point to prove cocacola, prove it nicely, you don't need to attack me like i know you're planning on doing, as usual.
oh, and the bible is a good novel. exciting, epic, and pretty fun to read. not a very happy ending though.
World war 2 was necesarry. But only because we fobbed off Hitler with appeasement until it was too late. If we'd slapped him on the wrists the moment he broke a single part of the Treaty of Versailles, then it may never have happened....
I didn't say I plan on being in power and controlling everything and making those who are under me suffer. If, and it's a big if, I ever do get enough power to carry my wish out, I will relinquish my power as soon as it's over. Power doesn't appease to me in the slightest. I don't want people peering in to my life just because I'm so famous and they don't have better shit to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Polymirize
My opinions do come from other places than this website, and although I haven't had the years you have had to develop them, I'm pretty confident they won't change much.
But, we'll see. And Polymirize, I love your use of the Socratic method and other things you undoubtedly learned in your philosophy class. You're driving me to go out and do these things instead of bitch and moan.
The point of the revolution wouldn't be to rule the people with a different government. My government would be a democracy when it comes to public works, but the law is simple and plain. As long as you do not take from another person's freedom or do anything to mentally/emotionally/physically harm another person, you're good to go. I don't know what the "punishment" would be, because I don't see how you could punish someone without taking from their freedom, thus breaking the law my government would revolve around. I'd probably leave it in the hands of the victim or their family. I know there are flaws in this, but I have a long time to try and work them out.
P.S. I never claimed you challenged me on history...Either you misinterpreted my words or I wasn't thinking strait. Either way, I know you weren't challenging me.
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Originally Posted by Polymirize
Dude, you think way too much. Give your brain a break! It does not matter. Drop it. You're only good rebutal is, "you're 15". No one really cares about this. We smoke weed, we stand up for that. Are you saying we shouldn't?
I hope this makes sense! I'm not too sure!
Um...he didn't say that me being 15 was a bad thing...Are you all right, man?
Forget bout it. I never posted here, ok?
Sorry for reposting, the him talking bout penguin being 15 is in here btw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Polymirize
off topic!
people usually use the age argument when they don't have any way to argue what the person actually said. same goes for when someone types out a long paragraph with good reasoning in it and it gets responded to with
"wow man it's YOU'RE not YOUR you idiot, gosh you're so stupid!"
that's a famous "i have no argument so i'm going to nitpick to save my ass" online response :D
but i will say this: at 15 years old your views will begin to change radically throughout the next 5-10 years and i guarentee that if you'd look back on this you'd have a different approach to the subject completely.
that has NOTHING TO DO with knowledge at all. knowledge and mental maturity are two completely different things
i guess my arguments kind of ambiguous, im standing up for you here penguin!!
I'll agree with that. In only 5 years, you'll be surprised how much you learn, and how different you look at things. But at only 15, you sound wise beyond your years, but don't let that go to your head.
Okay, go ahead and let it. props.
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Originally Posted by pixel
Thank you man! I did not want to type that out lol