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Being honest and open is a vital first step. when you water down the truth you water down the chance of your kid ever being educated. It's a funny thing here in the forum. We hear people talk about honesty and how important it is to them, but when it comes to being honest with their kids they somehow seem confused on how that process goes.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhino44
dai*ma (2 kids and 2 grand kids. My son nor my daughter use cannabis.)
This is a great thread
I wanna put my 2 cents in on this
I just took my 13 year old daughter in a headshop yesterday. I have 2 girls 13 and 10. We didnt go into the shop to look at bongs and pipes. We were just going to look at the cool stuff they have in there. All the cool incence, posters and just a buttload of marijuana books, art books and mags. We walked right past the counter with pipes and bongs. You have to be 18 to even look at them. Just cruised past. No biggy.
I believe you should never lie to your children and also explain everything to them before their friends do. I want both of my girls to be open with me in their teenage years. I do not want my kids sneaking around my back.
Can you guess the city this headshop is in?
I took this picture yesterday.
Right on. I read your post after I posted mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by daima
Like your views on parenting.
Listen to this...
My kids were the only ones in kindergarden who knew the Santa Claus, Tooth Fairy, Easter Bunny were FAKES. I told them the truth. I just couldnt pretend.
My kids asked me, "why the Easter Bunny hides her eggs?"Quote:
Originally Posted by geonagual
I told my kids the truth as well. I told them that the Easter bunny hid her eggs because she didnt want anyone to know she was fucking chickens.
JK. :D
The truth is that i never encouraged my kids to believe in such capitalist nonsense. I tell them that we live in a society that is constantly targeting its population to get them to become "consumers"
I always encouraged my kids to Volunteer. Thats the best gift of all.
I believe that i took the time to teach my kids what was important to me.
I always took the time to listen to what's important to them. Only then could a legitimate debate occur.
My wife died in 1989 and raising two kids and being on the road a lot wasnt easy. I know that my views arent shared with many, but then again, they werent intended to be. I dont want to see through my neighbors eyes and make my decisions based on what they see. I want a neighbor that allows me the freedom to be an independent thinker. Not one that critisizes me because i choose to live "differently". Thats what a free society is. Unless my neighbor is being abusive to his/her family/pets/me and my family, then how they live is really none of my buisness.
dai*ma:stoned:
Well in all fairness you cussed at me and told me I best respect his opinion. Totally unnecessary when this is a forum and the entire point is to go back and forth. Granted, we could sit here agreeing and "loving" each other, but that's not really what discussion is all about. Although no, it isn't a big deal, I just don't appreciate the stingers some people insist on closing their posts with.Quote:
Originally Posted by CrAzYpOtHeAd
I wish someone had taken the time to explain that to me or even offered it as an option. Since I became enlightened to the truth of consumerism and capitalism the way I live my life has changed dramatically. It's funny when I'll talk to my parents and other family about capitalism they look at me like I'm crazy. The idea that we are born, live, and die to make someone ELSE a profit is too much for some people to process.Quote:
Originally Posted by daima
I can see some logic in this, but not much. Kids should be educated about sex too, but would you take your 10 and 13 year old daughter into a sex shop? See my point?
Well at my local mall theres a outdoors store that has a counter dedicated to pipes.Like glass peices, wooden peices, so on...
Little kids go in there all the time, even without there parents.
I would absolutely take my kids/grand kids into a sex shop. Whats so dirty about that?Quote:
Originally Posted by tadaa
i would never take them off to war.
My kids have asked why two dogs are stuck together. WTF am i suppose to say? too much super glue? They are having a urge to reproduce. Big deal.
Sex, like cannabis, arent dirty topics in my house. They are a normal part of human curiosity. I will never close the door, nor will i ever ask my kids to close their minds. They know they can approach me with any topic without being frightful of me becoming a 'pig parent".
dai*ma :stoned:
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There's a difference between education and taking a 10 and 13 year old girl into a sex shop where they sell 2 headed dildos. No wonder half the youth is fucked up with parents like you. Taking a 10 year old girl into a sex shop isn't bein "open minded", it's being fucking ignorant.
It is impossible for any person of any age to comprehend anything until they are introduced to it. It's called, Education.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kryzco
dai*ma Most pregnacies are due to lack of information.
I say get em into it young, but i wouldnt let my kid smoke at that age. Id be happy for him to smoke when hes about 12+
I also dont smoke joints or even cigs infront of a kid, cos children seeem to think that smoking is "Cool" and thats why so many kids smoke.
personally I'm not comfortable with bringing children into headshops. I figure it this way, with all the trouble that headshops could face from law enforcement (in the U.S. at least) its best to keep a strict professionalism when going to headshops. My three basic rules are these:
1) Don't EVER mention cannabis to anyone while inside the headshop or in the area directly outside the headshop.
2) NEVER refer to a water pipe as a bong.
3) Don't go to a headshop smelling like you just came out of a 4 hour smoking session in your car.
Also, most shops only allow people that are 18+ to even enter the store (at least around where I live and out in San Franciso (in the nicer shops that don't sell crack pipes). Personally I view headshops like a porn shop (at least until cannabis is legalized). You wouldn't bring your child into a porn shop would you?
Thanks Torog. It was nice to see that someone can take an opinion like an adult.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
Agree or disagree, 90% of the posts here were made by children. You people can't take an opinion like a normal person, instead, you cuss and make silly assumptions. Unless you have something creative to say instead of repeating "retard" over and over, you kids should seriously consider what you're getting all worked up over. If you can't handle an online opinion, do yourself a favour and kill yourself now. :)
Everybody likes little kids. Its not like your bringing em into a bar or something. If youre talking about little punks, its kind of annoying unless they are actually cool.
Children are little adults and should be treated with the same respect as an old person. They need guidance though, and nurturing, just like animals. Heck, until we reach 6 - 7 we have the same intelligence as animals
HOLY SHIT!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Euphoric
Mom! Is that you?!
Wow man... your parents really did a great job raising you...
That, what I quoted you, is EXACTLY what my mother said since I (and my siblings) where little.
OH MY!!!! a two headed dildo. Run for your lives!!!!!:dance: :dance:Quote:
Originally Posted by tadaa
I know plenty of dildo's with one head. Ya dig?
As for your thoughts on why half the kids are fucked up, and you seem to believe it's because of parents like me? Thats funny. We feel like it's because of people like you. wowie:dance:
dai*ma:thumbsup:
Imagine......900 acts of violence on TV every day, and you call being exposed to sex toys bad. If i may say so, thats what i call being ignorant.
Being informed doesnt mean particpating. Being informed means better choices. Sex toys arent that scarey to you, are they? Have you been attacked by one? Robbed by one? ====
I'll tell you what else is ignorant. Sending your kids off into a world with stupid uninformed people. Thats down right dangerous. I'm glad my kids and grand kids know what a condom is. I'm glad my kids and grand kids know about cannabis, drugs, booze, tobacco, sex. Odds are in my favor that when they encounter these things on their own that the decisions they make just may save their lives. Kids are 3 and 4 watching violent acts every day.
My kids? they play music. They work. They are responsible human beings.
They know how to ask for a condom. They know how to talk to their friends when they see their friends make unhealthy choices. Call me a bad parent if you want, but that doesnt necessarily make it so. Bad parents dont give a fuck what happens to their kids and they dont seem to mind lying to them. I dont lie to my kids, and i care enough about them to not let Mr. goody two shoes tell them what morals they should be encompassing.:stoned:
loL thnx i got most of that perspective from the celestine prophecy actually :DQuote:
Originally Posted by turtle420
a percent of them are fucked up cause of people like you daima, don't even try to deny it
Oh I know that, but thats the problem, lack of information, and thats what I was getting at, parents now-a-days don't talk to their kids unless the tv tells them to, and usually they always learn the government propaganda bs and never learn the truthQuote:
Originally Posted by daima
kids are exposed to everything young because of tv, anti-pot commercials, most tv progamming has sexual connotations to it, because sex sells
my whole ideal of parenting is teaching your kids right from wrong, and whatever they choose to do with their information is on them, you can try to do your best to protect them, but in the end, they do what they want, my parents always let me know what was up and they tried their best to try and shield me from getting to alcohol and cigs, and they did a good job, I'm an adult now and I've made my decisions in life, and regardless of whether they like it or not, they respect it. i came out all right, I was always taught to know my facts which i think is something more people need to learn and to be open-minded while knowing the pros and cons of what your doing and then to make your decisions and that should you make a mistake, all you can do is learn from it, but blame no one but yourself if you brought it upon yourself
you can't hide your kids from anything, they'll find it, but its up to you to let them know the truth
They say 3 percent of the people use 5 to 6 percentQuote:
Originally Posted by Jeff Spicoli
of their brain
97 percent use just 3 percent and the rest goes down
the drain
now i dont know which one i am but i'll bet you my
last dime
99 percent think we're 3 percent 100 percent of the
time:dance:
They say 64 percent of all statistics are made up
right there on the spot
84.4 percent of people believe'em whether they're
accurate statistics or not
now i dont know what you believe but i do know
there's no doubt
i need 20 percent THC , i got too
much to think about:D
Too much to think about
too much to figure out
stuck between hope and doubt
It's too much to think about:confused:
97 percent of everything you learned in school was
bullshit you dont need
81 percent of everything you got you bought to
satisfy your greed
Because 86 percent of the whole population links
possesssions to success
Even though 80 percent of the wealthiest 1 percent
of the population
drinks to an alarming excess
More money, More Stress
I guess:cool:
dai*ma :dance: :dance: arent percentages great?:thumbsup:
ok man, i apologize. your right, everyone has their own opinions, and everyones entilted to one. Love :) :cool: :rasta:Quote:
Originally Posted by lemonboy
and no, it would'nt be much of a discussion if we all agreed lol
Sounds right to me. I like the lyrics. Good clean honesty and to the pointQuote:
Originally Posted by CrAzYpOtHeAd
dai*ma:thumbsup:
I wouldn't bring my 2yo daughter into a headshop with me to go buy a pipe. I don't really think that there's anything wrong with her seeing the things there, however. Its just that when I'm with my daughter it's "daddy time". When I smoke it's "me time". I generally try not to mix the two.
I especially have a problem with the woman bringing the baby in the stroller in to the headshop. It just conjures up all kinds of images of the baby crying or getting into trouble while the mother gets high.
The way I see it, education about things like drugs and sex is good. But if you bring a child along with you when you go to a headshop, you are bringing them into that part of your life. A part of your life which is an "adult" part. Its like sex education: when the time comes I will teach my daughter what she needs to know. I'm not going to bring her into the bedroom so she can watch my wife suck my dick, however.
as if a two year old can even comprehend what a pipe is, Lol!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fengzi
I dont think that any person here was advocating that you and your wife give one another head in the presence of your kids. I think the thread is about morals and head shops. I see nothing immoral about a pipe or cannabis. If your child was to walk in on your act, what do you do>? say? any explaination? and if so what do you tell your child when they ask, "daddy, why did you put your pee wee in mommys mouth? I have kids and the questions they asked are unlimited in nature. I would rather tell my kids that mommy and daddy pleasure each other that way than lie to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fengzi
Lets not take the pro-drug war approach here.
As a single parent there is no such thing as "daddy time" and Me time"
Being a parent is a 24 hr a day job. Hiding pipes and cannabis from kids is IMO absurd. Educating them on what pipes and cannabis are is a great first step. Making them out to be "bad" doesnt help and it isnt honest..
I worry more about whats in my kids food than i do about them knowing whats in my pipe. Food kills, cannabis doesnt.Many many Foods causes a life time of health problems, i dont see that being the case with cannabis.
Being honest with your kids doesnt mean advocating that they use or do it. It means that they will probably be able to handle a situtation better than those kids who only hear what the media and the politicians says.
dai*ma:D
Count the number of violent acts that are on TV every day, including cartoons. Thats where the focus should be, IMO.
In the Vietnam era we had a saying when it came to sex and war, and it mostly addressed the gay issue.
"How can we give a medal to a guy for killing another (hu)man, while degrading him and kicking him out for loving another?
My answer? we shoudnt. Dont let the rules that society has laid out for us be the word of God.
Howdy daima,
You make some very good points..no doubt-derived from hard-won wisdom.
I would like to point out a particular 'food',that we should all be wary of,that being aspartame. For a start on the mal effects of this sweetner used in over 5000 products,you could zip over to the Marihemp politics board,one of the members there,has posted a couple of articles on it..and it's an eye-opener..I tell you what !
Have a good one ! :stoned:
I understand what you are saying Daima, and agree with most of it. And, I used the example of my wife giving me head only to illustrate a point, not because I thought anyone was advocating it. I guess I just didn't explain my point well enough.
Sex, drinking, marijuana use, etc. are adult activities. Educating them about these activities, and being open and honest with them, is definitely the best approach. That doesn't mean you should involve them in these activities, however. I'm sure most of us would agree we wouldn't give a 2yo a shot of Jack Daniels, a bong hit, or intentionally bring them into the bedroom to see mommy and daddy together. The question then, becomes one of where do we draw the line between education and involvement? IMO, bringing them into the headshop while you buy a new pipe or bong dangerously straddles that line.
i have no problem with kids (when i say kids i mean roughly people age 13-17) smoking... but i am strongly against encouraging any drug use in a child... which i feel taking them to a headshop as a baby could have some strong outcomes on whether they get into drugs or not (if the habbit of taking them continues that is). if that kid doesn't get exposed to drugs, or does and just decides not to do them, good for them, we all know it's not the best road to go down, and the parents have to set the example since kids almost always are influenced by their parents...
in answer to your question, i think it's wrong to do that... because if it keeps up, eventually the kid is going to get wise to what all the pretty glass is used for and since his parents do it, he might feel he wants to do it too, as i said i'm strongly against encouraging kids to smoke... if i was the headshop owner or the worker on duty that day i would have refused service to both of them on sheer principal, what does it really say about the parents if they're too busy to go to the headshop on their own time (i.e. someone else has the kid) you can almost bet it also means they don't have the time to themselves to do said drugs
Greetings friend,Quote:
Originally Posted by Fengzi
IMO involvement means Education. Marijuana use is an adult activity in America and many other nations. There are also many nations where cannabis use is totally accepted by youth with their parents.
It was the Iowa School of Nursing, DeanMelanie Drier @ Iowa University, who tells us about her research when it came to Ganja using parents using Ganja with their children, and then compariing her findings to those who didnt use cannabis with their children. She concluded that parents who used Ganja with their children, some as young as age 4, had stronger bonds between parent and child than the non-cannabis using families did, they spent more time reading and teaching their kids than the non ganja using parents/kids did, and the respects levels between parent and child were that we america only hope for. The Government has tried to get her to "be quiet" about her findings, but she refuses. Many tribes inAfrica also have this practice.
I have used cannabis for 35+ years. I allowed my kids to asked about it, question it, water my plants, and fetch me my bong. Neither of them use cannabis to this day. Crazy huh? My cannabis use has never led me from my parental duties. My kids eat well, have a nice home, clothed well, educated.
I absolutely reject the argument that if kids are somehow introduced to drugs/cannabis that we stand the chance of losing them to a life time of addiction. Science and the School of Nursing agree.
I take 100% responsibility for my actions, both good and not so bright.
IMO society has conditioned us to act in ways that conflict with the human mind and curiosity. Does that make our curiosity wrong? immoral? I say, No.
On a daily basis we are taking our kids into stores that sell much more dangerous items then you see in a headshop. Do we not take them in stores?
IMO people do more damage to kids by restricting what they see and hear, then we do by allowing them to see and hear it without an honest explaination/debate. That old movie "Carrie" is a great example. That poor kid, because of the strong religious beliefs held by her mother, and her mother hiding things from her all her life didnt even know what a period was. When it happened she was tormented and scared and thought she was going to die. I will not allow that to happen to those i love.
I really doubt that any of us have to worry about our two year olds getting stoned , or catch them giving one another head. What they see on TV is more likely to make that happen.
In my house drugs arent a dirty word, nor is sex. They are human topics that need to be discussed openly and honestly, and we aint getting that from our government. That is my job, not bush's or clintons, or anyone elses.
I could never, nor would i ever, drag my kid to a rehab center. But thats me.
I would never worry about my child being curious to what a dildo is, or a joint, or a bong. These things are objects and things that need to be discussed. The next time you drive down the highway, or through town, or across the country, take the time to look at whats advertised to our kids. That scares the hell out of me, but i would never advocate having them removed. They give us a chance to have conversations with our kids. I emphasize on the word "us", the parent, the guardian, those who love our kids the most.
My kids know that the love i have for them is much deeper than anything on earth. I will not violate that trust by hiding things from them, or not allowing them to make an informed decision..., question what they see.
dai*ma
If you really love your kids and care about them,here's what i suggest
Blow up your TV. Allow them to ask ANY question thats on their developing lil minds. Never lie to them or hide things from them. Introduce them to music and people from all walks of life. NEVER humiliate them. NEVER hit them.
TRUST them. And trusting them is much easier when they are informed.
Most kids think kissing is ewwwwweeee yuk at 6 years old, and girlshave cooties/kooties. I doubt that giving head never enters their mind. If they are "accidently" exposed to the act? Ahhhhhhh no one ever said that parenting and explaining things to kids was a piece of cake. The time has come to be honest and open with them. They deserve that at any age and it's us the parents responsibilty that we do it honestly. Some kids actually believe that Oral sex isnt sex because of what formed prez clinton said about it after he got caught. gee whiz. lmao.
This is my opinion and i believe that every person is entitled to it :dance:
I am sure that most people in this forum that have kids, love their kids with all their hearts.
One thing is for sure Daima, although I may not agree that bringing a child into a headshop is a good idea, I can see that you have taken a very active role in bringing up your kids and this is what's most important. Too many people just take parenting for granted, don't think about what they are doing, and just hope the kids will work out. It's not always about whether the specific choices that you make are right and wrong. The fact that a person takes an active role with their kids, and makes the choice in the first place, is what makes them a good parent.:thumbsup:
Your comment means a lot to me. Allowing the TV to raise my kids, or people who dont have the interests and love that i have for my kids, just isnt an option. Unfortunately many in our country are programmed and both parents have to work just to make it. The kids are the real losers when this is the case. I am also fortunate enough to of earned a living without working for a factory, corporation/another person. There were times when i was on the road and didnt see my kids, but the time i was there? you couldnt separate us. I am also fortunate enough to be semi-retired now. My whole life is now dedicated to my family. I give guitar lessons to kids less fortunate here in San Francisco two times per week, and furnish those who cant afford a guitar with one to use. I use a sliding scale for payments. Those that can pay, pay what they can. Those that cant pay, but the desire is there, it's free. Mnay of the kids i teach come from a family where one of the parents are in prison. Mostly drug related crimes, which is why i am so outspoked against the drug war(if you noticed lol). Any hoot. I just vaporized some of my bubble hash and that really activates my thought process, which means..i could go on and on,but you seem like a cool cat and because of that i just cant see putting you through it :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Fengzi
Once again Fengzi, thanks for the compliment. I appreciate it.
dai*ma:stoned:
Exposing a 10 year old girl to sex isn't smart parenting. She isn't going to encounter a sexual situation at fucking 10 years old. If you want a slut for a daughter than go right ahead.Quote:
Originally Posted by daima
Based on your logic there's no limitation to how and when a child is exposed to something because it makes them more "educated". So based on your logic you would take your 6 year old son or daughter to an execution at a prison so she can see someone fry on a chair alive to see what death is all about. We have very different opinions of education. I'm gonna go out on a whim here and say that your kids don't have a college education, and probably won't. But I'm sure that's a big coinsidence:thumbsup:
you are an imbecile. your comments are so stupid, that everyone reading them is somewhat dumber.Quote:
Originally Posted by tadaa
Here's a great idea. go to channel 2, turn on "switching partners", and get back to me. Prime Time baby.Quote:
Originally Posted by tadaa
My kids know better than to believe the "slut"theory" lmao
I am not the one exsposing my kids, nor have i ever exposed them to anything but the truth, pal. I did however take the time explaing to them what they see when they asked, and it will always be ok for my kids to ask me anything. If you got a problem put the blame where it belongs , society.
We are a anti death penalty family. Its racist and the state should not be allowed to execute human beings. i have taken my kids in the past, and my grand kids to San Quentin Prsion to protest state sponsored murder.
My daughter is a Photographer and works for Macys, and is working on her PhD @ Santa Clara University, in Santa Clara California(Silicon Valley)
My son is in the Marines. Graduated second highest in his class. Married his high school sweet heart. Neither of them use cannabis, drugs, booze, tobacco. You didnt go out on a whim. You went out thinking you know more than you know and looked more like a fool.
dai*ma :D
We got little kids with guns fighting inner city wars
So what do we do? we lock these little kids behind prison doors
And we call ourselves the advanced civilization
But that sounds like crap to me
And we are living in the wasteland of the free
We got high school kids runnin' 'round in Calvin Klein and Guess
Who cannot pass a 6th grade reading test
But if you ask them, they can tell you
the name of every crotch on M-TV
And you point your finger at me
and the way i raise my family? :dance: :dance: :dance:
I will consider the source. :stoned:
you're fueling the propaganda. if you dont believe weed to be a drug and not bad for you, you shouldn't worry bout kids going into a headshop and seeing all the pipes and bongs. you should be showing them that there's nothing wrong with weed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nochowderforyou
the sex thing, i have no clue how children are exposed to it but they are. the other day i was in a park shooting around and i hear these 10-11 year olds talking bout girls and fuckin and whatnot. i couldnt believe my ears, these children were fuckin tiny lookin like 4th or 5th graders. so no matter what you do, they are gonna be exposed to sex.
Well, I'm a new dad; My boy is almost 8 mos. old. I've probably got a ways to go before all of the questions pop up, but I do plan on at least keeping the tv off. I watch cartoons, the history channel, bbc america, the only music channel worth a shit is bet jazz. But for the most part my kid so far hasnt been exposed to propoganda except for the occasional toy commercial. I'm an aspiring musician- 23 and I've played guitar since the age of 4. My dad kept his pot secrets from me until I actually found out from a friend in high school that he had smoked with him and his dad. I was confused at the time because we essentially shared the same views on the herb, but i found out later that he mainly kept it from me so my mother wouldnt find his stash too. I plan on keeping my habit to myself until hes at least 15. By then he would probably be asking all of the right questions. Like "shoud I trust the goverment?"
later yall
^^ And forever should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by lemonboy