yeah, thats what i thought too. i was scared that all the nutes from the FFOF might burn the roots of the clones.
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yeah, thats what i thought too. i was scared that all the nutes from the FFOF might burn the roots of the clones.
man ive never hallucinated off of mushrooms before, only got extreams of euphoria full trippin' minus the hallucinating.
But this time it was different, I found these shrooms growing in my yard while hunting for whitemushrooms and other edibles/gormet.
So after a mushroomy dinner I sat down at my[ URL="http://www.3segment.org/images/logos/0x41/DSC01199.JPG"]Desk[/URL]
Amazing plants and setup, what would you think a more intense nutrient program like that of Advanced Nutrients organic line have on your yeild? What was the average weight of your individual buds and what do you have planned for the future?
*sorry about the previous reply, I was on mushrooms and didn't know what the hell I was doing*
I'm DEFINTELY gonna do a scrog this year! And to think, I've wasted 2 growing seasons without SCROG, and getting only half of the possible yield.
Gaaahh!
syrrus, i am thinking about trying a different nute program when i start up again. have you had good results with the advanced nutes organic? there is only 1 hydro shop in my area (1hr away) they carry most nute lines so i have alot of choices. pure blend pro is another ive been thinking of. i am considering a side by side experiment with the ff, pure blend pro and possibly even the advanced nutes after doing some more research. i have also been looking into doing a 1 plant dwc scrog in my stealth cab. my brother used to do a greenhouse grow in arizona using the earth juice products and he had excellent results with that so that would be another possibility for nutes. i would like to hear your thoughts as well, and anyone elses who cares to take the time to share there experiences with different products(organics preferred)
btw here are a couple pics of the last bud i harvested a few months ago , not your typical scrog bud, is it?
I used Advanced Nutes Organic kit the last time I grew indoors.Quote:
Originally Posted by justaseed
It went well....
9 oz off of ONE PLANT in an earthbox under a 1000W (that's not my record though).
I didn't do any special traning or anything, just lots of topping.
Those nutes made for the healthiest roots I've ever seen in a soil grow.
With your scrogging skills though... I'd get a 2+ kit and three waterfarm hydrobuckets and say hello to a two pound harvest of pure insanity.
God I wish I could SCROG like that...
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Originally Posted by justaseed
oh yeah i just replaced the old bulb with a new one it is the same bulb eyehortilux 400hps. only $55 and they shipped it pretty quick, here is the place. i've ordered from them a few times.
http://www.plantlightinghydroponics....oducts_id=1440
i get a prepayed credit card at cvs for internet orders.
- When you get a prepaid credit card, do you need to give important information (address, name, and etc.)?
- Have you ever used a prepaid credit card to get beans??
- If so, which sites accepts them?
By the way, THAT IS ONE HELL OF A SCROG!!!! I wanna be just like you when I start to grow!
thanks included, i think i might try the advanced nutes when i start up again.
boss, i don't remember what info is needed for a prepaid card but i'm pretty sure all you need to do is got to a store like cvs and buy it. they activate it at the register and you're good to go. also they say that they are accepted anywhere that accepts regular credit cards. and yes i have got beans with one, i believe i purchased from rhino seeds. good luck, and thanks for the compliment
OMG; this just puts my shelving system to shame!
a lot of online shops in amsterdam will let you send them cash in a birthday card or something if your still 'noid
Seed,
You seem to be one of the resident scrog experts. I use to grow sog, now I'm down sizing to a mini scrog and I've got a few questions.
Although I'm down sizing, I would love to see a the design or pick of your 400hps cabinet.
I noticed you used 1" square fencing, how many nodes do you have per square?
Could I get by with chicken wire? If so, what would you recommend for node spacing?
Since two of your cabinets are cfl's. My box will be 2'x2'x4'tall, what size and how many cfl's would you recommend?
Since my mother plant is a Snow White-Nirvana (sister to White Widow), I'll follow your example as far as filling the screen. Atleast the first time out. But what could I expect as far as yield with approximatly 3sq ft of screen?
Jaxxx
jaxx, i just got back from camping, sorry about the long wait for an answer! i used 1 inch screen and tried to space them so there is only 1-2 budsites per square, which isn't always possible but as long as the budsites aren't one right on top of another you should be fine. i had 2 smaller flower chambers that measured just under 2ftx2ft and were under 3 feet tall. one had 350 watts of assorted cfls and the other a rewired 150hps security light and 164watts of cfls. i would recommend the 150hps. suprisingly the hps chamber ran 5-10degrrees cooler than the cfl only chamber with the exact same ventillation (180cfm exhaust and 2 4inch inline fans for intakes, one above and one below the screen). not only did it run cooler, i got at least an oz more bud at harvest and it was much better quality as well. you can get a 150hps security light at lowes for under 50bucks if i remember correctly. all you have to do is remove the photocell and rewire it so it is a remote ballast system, it's really simple. as for yeild the most i have heard anyone getting is 2.4oz per square foot. my 2 small chambers were aprox. 3 and 3/4 sq.ft and my best yeild was around 6oz but you have to also realize that i only had 314watts and 164 of those were cfl so getting 2.4oz per sq.ft was not possible under those conditions. honestly, i haven't come that close to 2.4oz/sq.ft although i have almost achieved 1 gram per watt. good luck with your new set-up!
How about your growroom. Hows that set up?
And you clones. Where do they come from? Motherplant or the ones you flower?
For all of the SLOW people...Could you possibly make a list of all, if not, most of the supplies that you had to buy to make the 400 HPS SCROG? I would like to know the supplies such as lights, soil, nutrients, fans, and etc., and the website you bought them from, IF POSSIBLE! I've read the whole topic and replies, but I'm still a little misguided:p. I plan on starting a SCROG for BOG's Blue Moon Rocks around Mid-August, and its about that time to purchase and gather all of the things that I need to start growing. Thanks alot for all of the guidance you've given me!Quote:
Originally Posted by justaseed
it's 3 plants, the screen is about 21" x 3'9". i yeilded 12 oz last time and i'm expecting a good amount more this time. i trained them alot better this grow. and last grow i made a mistake and added too much blood and bone meal when mixing the soil and it had a tremendous effect on the grow substantially lowering the yeild. so this grow is much better than the last. the buds are so full of trichs that the look white!
hey WOW welldone
wanan let me move in?
lol wow welldone
Gees...AMAZING!
where did u accumulate the know how to do this stuff?...impressive stuff man
and finally....when u are cloning...does the roots actually go in the water or is it that the bubbles will touch the roots?
thanks
mr t
sorry didnt realise there was a page 2, 3 and 4 when i posted that comment. i have read the answer to my 2nd question. silly me.
how do u tie ur scrog frame to the cuboard?
i may venture down this root after seeing ur sea of green!!
thanks
:thumbsup: :thumbsup:
yep double thumbs up ,
blown away by how effectively you've used your lil bit of space man .
how long have you been playin w/ just 400w. n a scrog ? which breeder did you get your w/w beans from ? gotta give sum credit where it's due man . keep up the good work .
peace
crispi :)
hey guys, sorry i haven't check this thread for new posts lately.
boss, the materials are pretty straight forward: 400hps system, i eventually changed to a cooltube for the reflector. i used fox farm ferts along with liquid karma and thrive alive. for the screen i just got some plastic screen from home depot with 1 inch holes, fastened to the closet with nails in the walls and the screen tied to the nails with wire. i used the same wire to train the plants onto the screen. for ventillation i had 2 180cfm kitchen exhaust fans(eventually upgraded to a ecoplus 465cfm squirrelcage) and i had 2 oscillating fans blowing on the canopy. the most tricky thing with scrog i found was keeping the screen/canopy from stopping the airflow from below to above. as the buds fill the screen they tend to form a barrier that restricts airflow. in smaller spaces it is sometimes necessary to add an extra intake so you have 1 above and 1 below the screen. this can be very important imo. good luck boss!
crispi, i don't know the breeder of the ww's but i also grew gypsy's kiss from reeferman and master kush and ice from nirvana. the master kush became my favorite after a while. i used that 400hps scrog in that small closet for about 1 1/2 years. i am currently on probation(caught with 1/2 gram driving to work at 7am in my work van) so i don't have a grow for security reasons until the probation is done in a few months. i am accumulating the equipment for a 1kw hps cooltube scrog in a 4ft x 6ft closet when there is no longer a risk of my probation officer "dropping in" to check on me. if all goes well i might even eventually up that to 1600watts or maybe even 2kw!
THANKS FOR THE COMPLIMENTS EVERYONE
so justaseed, did you ever make hash with your leaves from that grow, cuz i bet you coulda got a lot, nice job on the grow man.:thumbsup:
oh yeah!! i made a shit load of hash with bubble bags. the thing is that it is sooooo good, when you run out the pot alone doesn't get you high anymore for the 1st few days until your tolerance goes down. and i'm not talking about just midgrade pot not getting me high. the topshelf ww and even the masterkush wouldn't even work for at least the 1st day after i ran outta hash. i guess if that's my biggest problem i should probably just shut up!!!
fuck thats a nice grow, best i seen in a while, happy smokin!!!!!!
stay blazed :smokin:
MAN those are alot of plants :rasta:
if only i can grow like that:o
well hope they harvest good because if they do happy you!!
how much did you spend in total for everything tho?
it's only 4 plants!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by DoPeY323
Justaseed, A few questions about your scrog technique. When topping do you FIM top, or top at the exact point to create only 2 more shoots? The reason I ask is that your tops are all so uniform, almost like a corn field and in many scrogs it looks more like a whole buch of nugs all over the place. Its seems to me that not FIM'ing the plant would make it not grow shoots out the ass everywhere and would make it easier and more organized to train through the screen. In my experience FIMing a plant, then LSTing it to all the same height, and finally pulling the shoots through a screen and tieing them down has never produced what your WW's looked like as far as organization. Whats the SECRET!!
nice grow just a seed. i am curintly trying my first scrog grow with purple power seeds. im at day 20 flowering right now. my grow does not even compare to how nice yours seem to turn out. but i hear your one of the best scrog growers on this website.so if u happen to get a chance to check mine out any advice would be nice. i have been doin a bit of trimming under the screen right now but im kinda scared to take to much. oh well practice makes perfect. your grow rules man. ttyl.
thanks again guys, and to answer your question i sometimes fim topped and somtimes not. the reason the tops are so even is because i do intense training from the time they go under screen up intil around day 14 of flower. i try to keep all the branches/tops twisttied right to the screen at this point. i don't allow any top to get more than 1-2 inches over the screen until the stretch phase is over and the plants "crown off". once this happens i stop training and allow them to rise up above the screen a bit more. they usually finish only 6-12 inches above the screen and that's all bud by harvest time and hardly any leaf or branch . i also trim away some fan leaves above the screen to expose all budsites to direct light.
Awesome job. I have never had time to look in on this, but I am impressed. I am getting ready to do something like this, and I will check out the entire thread later in order to get some bearings. I have overgrown moms, and need to have a large clone grow. later
:yippee: WOW! :clap: ... this is the best thread I have read ( and printed PDF's of it ) a very valuable thread that has great examples and incredible results using combined techniques ( lst, scrog, ... etc ) making the most out of small spaces...
I'm very sorry you were caught ... I just make budder and then banana bread and brownies for external use, much easer to travel with and the medicine is absorbed over a much longer time.
Take care man and thanks for posting all of this!
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hey there JustASeed. I've been reading this for a while now, and just today i came across a post that made reference to variations to ScrOG. Said there were ScrOG methods called "V-ScrOG", "Stadium ScrOG", as well as "Flat ScrOG". And i thought, hey! who better to ask then you. So here i am, asking you if you know anything about any of these methods. I am planning on starting up my own ScrOG A.S.A.P. but need a little more education on it first, so any information is greatly appreciated. I would also like to add (as if you haven't heard it enough already) that your ScrOG grow makes me drool, and i could only dream of one day being as talented as you...
CIS
Quick question. How do you flush the plants with the screen in place without draining water all over the floor lol? because if your using 5gal pots then you need to use 15 gal to flush the plants. dont know if you get what im saying. Also after you flush the plant to havest do you still feed it water when needed or no for the last week or 2 pending when you flushed.
I really never heard of lights getting hotter with the time, i pay atention on that !!! NICE SCROG by the way bro, i soon will make myself a stadium like SCROG!
can anyone explain how you do the scrog training? For example did you bend the main stems of your plants and if so when and in the final largest pots or earlier? Also main part is how do you train the branches? do you just shove them into separate squares spreading them out evenly? Thanks alot.
you can start training your plants (bending) at a young age......probably around 4-6 nodes. you can find a lot of info on LST and scrogging around here...just gotta search
justaseed
f... nice crop im more than amazed!
if you go to the closet/cabinet and find my european closet...
do you think i could reconstruct it, to hold a scrog somewhat similar to yours??
couse i started with aboute 30 plants, stupid ass smoker thinkin only of a big yield...
there where not enough space, so they where stressed alot and i got hole bunch of hermies and only came out with 10 females and 5 hermies.
so i was thinkin of gettin a cultivation box with an aroponics system holding 15 clones
then i would use 4 -5 clones and make a screen and copy of your grow.
I so have to copy your set up JustASeed!
First time I've seen this thread as well. :jawdropper:
woow. all i can say. kudos to you for this masterpeice scrog.