god and stuff

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Originally Posted by lemonboy

Torog: Just don't tell her your girlfriend is a Jew or you may find that newfound friendship dangling by a thread. She doesn't hate. No, no. She just doesn't want "that politically correct crap pushed down [her] throat."

It is extremely interesting to find out both you and Shelbay have been in jail/prison after I already had a chance to read a lot of what you had written. I'm involved in the planning stages of a Christian outreach group dealing mostly with inmate addiction. Including drugs (obviously) but other addictions as well like kleptomania. Really anything and everything. I was initially concerned about approaching these problems from a religious perspective. There is a real chance to replace one addiction with another. Anyone that has ever been to a Christian church has met people that are indeed addicted to religion. I can't say you've calmed my fears.

You know... "meeting god half-way" is not an expression you hear used very often these days. He seems so cold without that little bit of humanity.

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Howdy lemonboy,

Can you explain more fully,what you mean by 'interesting' ?

Have a good one ...

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Originally Posted by Oneironaut

I figure out the God thing a couple years after I figured out the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus. It wasn't that hard, for me at least. But most people still can't see that there's as much evidence going for God as there is for the other ones. It's a culturally transmitted idea, passed from generation to generation by parents and society, not an actual entity.

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Howdy Oneironaut,

How old are you ? If yer a youngun,and you think that you have it all figured out--yer in for a rude awakening. I've found out,after 46 years of living on this here earth,that just when ya think you have it all figured out-something comes along to let ya know that yer wrong. Are you married ? Have you raised a family yet ? How many folks have you stood by,as they laid on their death-bed ?

Have a good one ....

Good discussion, BUMP

he walked on water he fed thousands with a loaf he cured the sick he died for our sin ,what a load of shit
i was brought up by monks in a secure unit for troubled kids and they done a good job, fuckin cunts ,

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Originally Posted by Torog

Howdy Oneironaut,

How old are you ? If yer a youngun,and you think that you have it all figured out--yer in for a rude awakening. I've found out,after 46 years of living on this here earth,that just when ya think you have it all figured out-something comes along to let ya know that yer wrong. Are you married ? Have you raised a family yet ? How many folks have you stood by,as they laid on their death-bed ?

Have a good one ....

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well, I'm sure being so young he doesn't have it all figured out. and neither do you, neither do I, neither does the pope, the president, or that guy on the streets telling us the world is about to end. but we can all still explore philisophical and logical standpoints and make decisions for ourselves, the trick for anybody is to not entirely dismiss any idea, just pick the one you think makes most sense.

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Originally Posted by mrdevious

Greetings torog.

First, although I do not believe in god, I still have my spirituality. I know your faith in god has been very spiritually fullfiling, and I'm sure it's all you'll need. but there are those, like myself, who can find their spiritual fullfilment elsewhere, in my case through the teachings of Buddha.

In my case, and that of many other people, I decided to seek guidance elsewhere because I just can't bring myself to believe in god. I was raised christian, but I've researched every debate, every argument, every article I could find to prove the existence of god, and it all fell flat in it's logic. I've searched relentlessly for years, but I've yet to find a single argument that wasn't fallable.

Believe me, there is nothing more I'd like than to believe in god. To find out that we're all taken care of, that justice will innevitably be served for all, that I'll never die. There are actually times when I envy those who believe in god, to live securely in the knowledge of such a wonderfull existence. I'd be the most happy person on earth if I found out that it was all true, but I personally can't believe something just because I want to (I'm not saying that's the case for you or anybody in particular).

However, I see your spirituality has made you a pretty respectable person, so to each is own I guess.

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Well said. Personally, I like the principles of Buddhism though Im not by any means a Buddhist.

You can have a murdering extremist who believes in Allah or a person who doesnt, though lives their life respecting others, being kind and never doing any bad deeds - I dont believe for 1 minute the latter would go to 'hell' for not believing in God.
I think religion is an ancient method of controling the masses.
I'm not saying that is the truth, but that is my opinion.
Nobody will know the real truth till they die.

I dont believe in god either. People always say they believe in god because they love him and all that shit but its all just a defense mechanism. They wouldnt 'love' god if they werent scared shitless and told they would spend eternity in hell if they didnt by their parents, preachers, peers, whoever. And to say that because evil exists god probably exists is a complete misunderstanding of the concepts of good and evil. Just like any other man made concepts, good and evil are completely subjective, and thus really have no place in any scientific discussion of anything whatsoever. Good and evil are like fat and skinny, while i may consider someone to be a fat bitch, someone else may find them attractive and want them to be their babys momma or some bullshit like that, i dont know, you know what i mean...

i see evil everywhere so therefore i believe there is good and evil. if there is sooo much evil out here then there must be good so i believe there is a god of somesort. i do not understand the reasonings for why there is hell on earth right now but i believe if you know the difference between right and wrong and you choose to be good to everything then you will get some reward after death. now if you decide to do evil to something for whatever horrible reason then you will have a horrible karma when everything is said and done and over with.......soooo i think ill stick with whats right and go from there.

the concccepts of right and wrong are just as subjective as good and evil. They are man made labels, used to explain the actions of men. I dont understand how you people cant see that concepts that we use on a daily basis such as good-evil, right-wrong, black-white, ect-ect....are made by us and completely sustained by us. We are the only thing that allows these concepts to exist and keep them going. And if such concepts are created by man, then there is really no reason to be bringing god into an arguement of good and evil when they are merely labels used by animals that think they know a lot more shit than they actually do and there is no solid definition of either....chyyeeea

lmao kurupt the mental-ill raper is back

how was your blowjob by this retarded 20 years old ugly chick?

did your dad molest you again?

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Originally Posted by Musician

lmao kurupt the mental-ill raper is back

how was your blowjob by this retarded 20 years old ugly chick?

did your dad molest you again?

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wow man.... there's something you either should or shouldn't be taking.

nice try man but im not one to kiss and tell

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Originally Posted by Kurupt3Z3

the concccepts of right and wrong are just as subjective as good and evil. They are man made labels, used to explain the actions of men. I dont understand how you people cant see that concepts that we use on a daily basis such as good-evil, right-wrong, black-white, ect-ect....are made by us and completely sustained by us. We are the only thing that allows these concepts to exist and keep them going. And if such concepts are created by man, then there is really no reason to be bringing god into an arguement of good and evil when they are merely labels used by animals that think they know a lot more shit than they actually do and there is no solid definition of either....chyyeeea

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agreed

As Darwins rotweiler recently quoted, there are evil people doign eveil things, and good people doing good things. Only with relegion do you have good people doing evil things

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Originally Posted by Funken Monken

As Darwins rotweiler recently quoted, there are evil people doign eveil things, and good people doing good things. Only with relegion do you have good people doing evil things

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Why do you think that? Just curious.

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Originally Posted by Shelbay

Why do you think that? Just curious.

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I'm quoting, not necessarily thinking, but I think its a very accuate statement. And I wont attribute it to any 1 relegion or to its followers; I think its relevant to any relegion. The best example I can muster (off the top of my head, but rest assured its real) is the guy who was a fundamentalist christian who, acting on the word of his god, shot a Doctor because he worked at a clinic that conducted early term terminations. A doctor with a family and kids. Because of a belief a good man did evil, because he though it was good . You could I suppose extend that to suicide bombers as well, or anyone who will kill for a belief system.

But basically, wrong done under pretense.

You say science is your belief because it shows you facts....

science doesn't proove anything....The problem with 'proof', of course, is that it connotes certainty and completion. But scientific inquiry is never completed, and nor are its verdicts infallible. Nothing is set in stone or held to be beyond question. So, we might think, nothing is ever "proved".

Should we say that proof is merely "evidence so strong that it would be unreasonable to deny the supported conclusion"? Well, that's not quite good enough, for that would allow us to prove things that are actually (if surprisingly) false. So, as for knowledge, we must supplement the justification requirement with a truth requirement. If the conclusion is not true, then it cannot be known or proved.

.....I can't really be bothered to go on...you get the idea...There is no proof of anything scientific/religious they just present ideas that support their hypothesis...

I can't prove that God or something like Him or She or It doesn't exist some where (just like I can't prove that a thousand-foot purple guy isn't doing cartwheels some where out there), but religion exists to make us feel better about dying. If we didn't die, we would have no reason for gods or religion, because we could accomplish everything we needed or wanted on our own, though it might take a few million years....

Religion & science are very similar, they are both made up of theories, the only difference in my mind is that science has much more believable theories & I will carry on believing science, until the day some fucking thing slaps me around the face & tells me thereâ??s no such thing as time or space or even life.
I hate religion, but donâ??t get me wrong im not racist or anything, I donâ??t like RELIGION, I have nothing against religious people, apart from the people who set up the religion in the first place & those who try to force in on others, everyone has the right to believe in what they want. I like certain ideas in religion but I hate the thing itself.
Now weâ??ve got that cleared up. The majority thinks religion is BS yeah? Therefore the pope, all the bishops & priests etc are professional bullshitters!!! hahahahahahaha

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Originally Posted by dreadydrug

I hate religion, but donâ??t get me wrong im not racist or anything, I donâ??t like RELIGION,

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LOL....dude racism is thinking your better than somone because of where they are from in the world. I dont knwo what being against religion is called....i know hating jewish people is antisemitism....maybe its Secularism....or Antireligion.........or maybe Antitheism.....who knows......hopefully someone cause i would like to know....lol