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1/4 of a teaspoon (not tablespoon), man that is a couple of drops.. Thats what it says on the bottle.. but who goes by what the bottle says for MJ seedlings.. Your advice is taken... They look good though.. going under the 400WATT MH in about 7 days..
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Originally Posted by SeedKing72
If your going to go threw all that work of labelling for just a couple of weeks, if you ask me its not worth it.
Just wait the 2-3 extra weeks to determine sex and the decide the # of clones you are going to take from your garden given your F:M ratio.
Will this happen before they flower?
What do you mean will this happen before they flower??
Im talking about waiting an extra 2-3 weeks to determine the sex of your plants than trashing the males and cloning the females.
I guess what I am asking is this? I wanted to take clones in VEG state before I force them into flowering.. Will I know their sex before I put them into 12/12. I was under the impression that you only wanted to take clones in VEG State, so I am wondering can you tell their sex in veg state... like a week or a couple of days before I go into Flowering 12/12.. Does that make sense..
Yeah you were right! I looked at the insert that comes with the bottle and it says a few drops for a gallon for tender plants, I would assume that is week old seedlings.. No problem I can fix it, it doesnt look like they hurt it yet..HOPEFULLY!
Sometimes....sometimes.....a female will show pre flowers prior to flower season. Sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by SeedKing72
After 4 weeks, look for hair pistels at the nodes. They will wisp in the air from a flower pod.....but you cannot plan on it.
Take your clones, root them, then flower.....then you will know which mother plant to keep. Or which one to take more clones from :)
Okay, well I cant complain my babies are growing with the exception of one who must be a runt, but perhaps the bitch will still do something.. so I still got 9 + 1 runt going... the goal is 4-5 females, so lets pray.. In a day or so I need to move the lights up an inch, 3-4 more days.. we will re-arrange the room and add the 400 Watt MH and try to add flourescent sideligh that doesnt block the MH, should have pics for that soon..
Well may babies are still growing, I think they are alomst ready to go to the 400 Watt MH Lights, + start strengthening the nutes.. go with 1/2 teaspoon per gallon every water for a week or so (the bottles says 1 teaspoon for every water of Fox Farm Fertilizer Big Grow).. Saturday morning I will re-arrange the closet to hang the 400Watt MHS and somehow get the Florescents horizontal on the side of the plant.. Hopefully I can get them to bewteen 18-24 inches in 5 gallon buckets.. then we will talk about flowering.. seriously considering buying a 600WATT HPS for flowering.. Use my flors and the 400 for a different closet and to start to do SOG with the clones I get.. Got a Hydro kit coming also.. want to see if I can increase my yield with 2-3 hydros instead of 4-5 soils... Thats another thread for another time.
seedking, ur plants' made an excellent recovery :)
whats the heat like the MH bulb gives off ? do u know if a fan blowing on it is enough to sort out any probs?
Yeah, I worried there for awhile that I shocked them with my half ass transplant.. but I tend to them every day.. they are almost like children.. Good question about the heat, I am a bit worried about that.. Fortounately the weather outside is getting really cool, and there is a window in that room... I will watch the heat very closely.. I would be happy to keep it at 80, but it hovers around 85-87, but it is getting cooler outside.. so This saturday I will install the 400WATT light an see what happens, hopefully I will be employed soon and pass the piss test and I can afford a 600Watt HPS and smoke some sack weed..
The mid-western latitudes will end summer temps tonight.
From this point on you in that belt or north will no longer have heat problems.
The season change will occur this evening at about 11:30PM EST :)
Im already seeing it, today I almost had to put on sweater.. This is good because my next grow will be in winter..
how much cash has this grow cost so far seedking??
Well the most expensive piece was the 400 Watt HPS w/Metal Halide Converter Bulb + Timer.. that was $205.00.. so I will estimate below for you
Roughly $420.00- Consider some of this I can use over and over, some of this I could have gottten cheaper, an ounce of weed around my parts is between $100.00 - $150.00, which is usuall crap with a bunch of seeds.. probably 5-6% THC.. all off this is supposed to be 15-20% THC (but I doubt it), so I am gonna say this would sell for $150 an ounce and this is all for my personal use (Perhaps even more, I am not an expert on these things maybe $200.00) so I need 3 ounces to basically get my money back and I am hoping to have 4-5 plants.. Of course I will get clones from this grow and next time I am doing HYDRO.. (If there is a next time I am paranoid)
1- 400 Watt HID + 2 Bulbs + Dig Timer $205.00
2- 5 2*40 Watt Flors fixtures from Sprawl-Mart $8.00 each = $40.00
3- Roughly $22.00 for seeds (I spent $65 for seeds only used 10)
4- 3-Fox Farm Fertilizers roughly $14.00 each (Grow Big, Big Bloom, Tiger bloom) $42.00
5- 5 cool white bulbs $1.75 each $8.75
6- 5 Warm bulbs $3.00 each $15.00
7- 2 bags of dirt $10.00 each = $20.00
8- 5 5 gallon buckets $1.00 each = 5.00
10- 10 6 inch pots $1.49 each = $14.90
11- PH Meter $7.00
12- Super Thrive $7.00
13- Large bag of Perlite $14.00
14- Misc $40.00 (Gas/Extenstion cords/Water bottle/etc/books)
Tommorow my babies are getting the 400Watt MH and side lighting of Flors.. I hope to see quicker growth, hoping to get them to 18 inches in 2-3 more weeks, probably unlikely.. but I plan to flower when they all average 18 inches.. some will reach there faster...
Added the light, man that suckers gets bright
1. How far should the light be from the canopy of the plants?
Answeered your question about the light in the other post where you asked it.
Since those are still babies....stay 24" from them for now.
I still say you are better off with proper CFL lighting, but your MH will work....just not as fast and you might get a bit more stretching.
Optimal growth rate I have been able to acheive thus far with CFL's is 3/4" - 1" per day without any stretch.
You can lose the CFL side lighting for now. It isnt and wont do anything but add to the heat. You can turn it off as the canopy of the plant is far too small to cast harmful shadows at this time.
Just a heat maker is all they are........
Ususally with a 400W MH you wont even need CFLs in your latter veg states either. You WILL need them in flower but not even in veg.....not at your current positions....
Good Luck
I wasnt getting much growth with those lights I had.. I think if I had some better quality CLF's I would get that, those shop lights were weak!!
Yea, you are right...you made the right call....
although I personally would have hit the good CFL's myself :)
How many sq ft you have? and you have 10 plants, yes?
And you intend to flower how many females....ideally?
1. Sidelights are worthless at this stage... It didnt add anything.. It was more of a hassle than anything.. so I scrapped that idea.. (HARDDON was right)
2. T12 40 Watt bulbs suck, I should have use a T12 Full sprectrum bulb (HARDDON was right again, i added the word suck)
I have 10 plants going 9+1 runt, I hope to get 4-5 Broads... the closet is roughly 5 feet * 2 feet so 10 Square feet So if I can get 4 plants to flower and one for a mother that I will yank out of there.. I would be happy...
Things are still going, plants are growing... I can smell the plants real close and smell the sweet aroma of weed.. 400WATT MH is making a big difference, but the heat is hard to control.. had to open the door wide.. losing light, but the babies are still small so they are getting enough
Get a fan a make it blow right in between the light and the top of the light, your heat problems will be no more.Happy growing!!!
"had to open the door wide.. losing light"
Mand grows with no refective materials surrounding her grow area and nothing to contain the light in as small of an area as possible. Her plants kick butt. I've seen lots of pics of big grows with huge rooms with the lights just in one area and the plants are those most of us dream of growing.
I think the use of reflective material has been blown out of proportion. For one thing leaves don't have light receptors on the bottom side, so any light reflected to that area does no good, or so the experts suggest. So covering your containers with tin foil does absolutely no good for the plant. White paper to reflect it back up...no good. White rock on the top of the soil...no good. Looks cool though.
All that said it's possible that the plant does lose some light energy because of an open door, but I believe that the amount of benefit it receives from the lost energy is so small of a percentage of the total it does actually use that it would make very little if any difference to it's health.
Get an A.C. unit and youll be good
Simply not true. As soon as I took this advice from HD, I noticed secondary growth on a 6 day old seedling almost immeadiately. It's really quite amazing... Not trying to thrash you, as I know you are more experienced then I... but it definitely DOES make a difference. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Benson
the plant looks alot better with the mh, the flourescent's must have to be vho to be of much use.
I can see about a 1/2 inch a day.. I want to get these BITCHES to 18 inches
"I noticed secondary growth on a 6 day old seedling almost immeadiately"
I can almost guarantee you that the growth came from the plants natural progression of growth and not from magic rocks...but if you believe that it works then that's cool.
My question would be though is why doesn't every major long time mj grower in the world use such a simple thing? They don't. I haven't seen one grow with rocks on top of the soil or any reflective material for that matter and many of these were dream grows that would blow most grows all to hell. Additionally, if it were such a great technique and really worked then it'd be laid out to do this in every 'grow bible' and grow journal published. It isn't. And I can almost guarantee you (again) that HD wasn't the first one to ever try it. Just never caught on as it never proved itself to work. And I can almost assure you that IF it worked, lots of people would be doing it. They aren't. But to each their own. I probably doesn't hurt, unless it causes the top of the soil to stay wet because not as much air is getting to it and no light and mold starts to grow. Bummer.
Have you given it a try? :) All of my secondaries remained uniform early on... Just a few tiny hair looking things, hell I could hardly see them. Then, now, approximately 18 hours after topping my soil with "magic rocks" I notice not only growth length-wise, but the little hairs themselves are becoming wider, and flat, resembling a leaf more and more by the hour. Let me ask you, on average, how long before your veg plants begin to make secondary progress??? I don't see any on your plant at the moment seed king, perhaps you'll add some rocks and take pics 48 hours later for us? I agree that if it were known to be a benefit among top growers we'd be hearing about it in alot of places... but perhaps that's why we don't... if enough people that havn't tried it or have heard from someone that your plants wont benefit from it, less people are going to be trying. My suggestion? Give it a go. I'm a beginner, yes. But I sense strongly that the rocks made a difference. :) There's no doubt about that.
Peace
No...I never tried it. Just going off what people way more experienced than I have shown to work, and none of them show the use of rocks. And since the person that came up with the 'magic rocks' only had one successful grow to their credit, I don't necessarily go by what they suggest if it goes against what people that have had dozens of grows suggest.
Of course photos of this secondary growth before and after would shut me up. But I think if you're new to this 'hobby' that it indeed can be just regular ol' growth you're seeing and not growth generated by the 'magic rocks'.
The other thing I would suggest is that if your plants are indeed 6 days old (from seed) then one 43 watt cfl would be giving every single part of that plant the maximum light it could recieve. If it's close enough. So to suggest that 'magic rocks' amplify this to the point of making the lower parts of the plant grow faster, is sort of ...well...far fetched as the plant just hasn't grown sufficient amounts of leaves to shade any parts of the plant. Allowing all parts to get max energy. Sorry. I don't buy it. But like I said, that doesn't mean that you can't do it. I just don't think it does anything and as soon as the plant grows any type of foliage, the rocks will be shaded and just be there...to look nice...and maybe promote mold.
Well I can tell you there will be no rocks for this grow.. but I am not against it.. It couldnt hurt it.. so each his own...
Marc, why do you think several rocks on the topsoil promote mold??? Don't most soils contain the occasional pebble? I don't see how a layer of them on top would cause MOLD... anyway's more to the point... I have proof that it works. You see, when I germinated, I did so in soil, so it was inevitable that some would pop before others. However my smallest one, who has received probably a day or so less light the the others, is also showing the same secondary growth as the others, at the same rate... this leads me to beleive that this did not happen solely of natural maturation. Yes, they are under lights, and growing every moment, so photosynthesis is def. a contributor... but so are the rocks. Why else would the younger plant begin showing secondary growth as well?
Yes, but the idea is to get the secondaries going early, so by the time you have tons of foliage they are big enough to receive light, therefore speeding everything up a bit... the earlier the rocks are added, the earlier secondaries appear. Keep in mind applied rocks at day 6 and am noticing immeadiate changes... Imagine had they been there since day 1. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Benson
We could sit here day after day and never come to any one conclusion. You believe totally that it helped and I don't. You continue to use them and I won't. But it is curious if you believe they helped so much why was it that the person that caused you to use the 'magic rocks' didn't use them in their last/current grows? You sure think that if it was such a boom to growing that they would've had them incorporated into those grows. Kinda makes you wonder. Or at least it does to someone with an open mind.
As far as the mold? Well as I understand it you don't just throw a couple light colored rocks in there. You cover the top of the soil with a layer of them for..."maximum light reflectancy". If this is so anytime you cover the soil, add water and then heat, you promote mold.
I'm done with this. Sorry SK for this taking up so much of your threads space.
hey Marc! Yeah I was wondering the same thing... perhaps that's why he had the foil folded over the sides of his pots? Mabye to imitate the reflectivity of several rocks on the soil surface? Oh well if you say there is a possibility of mold they're coming off... I can't lie they were off the moment you said mold :) Although I must say I am slightly offended by the following:
Was there a purpose to insulting my intelligence? :) Certainly dosen't help SeedKing...Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Benson
You seem to be treating our conversation as an argument... Be friendly man! No need for confrontation ;) We're all the same...Quote:
Originally Posted by Marc Benson
Peace
Marc, I have been reading past threads and you seem to be quite the asshole to everyone.
You wouldnt have to apollogize so much for fucking up somebodys thread if you just stopped insulting people, grow, knowledge, or in anyway.
Clearly, rasta is not being an asshole, stop and think and use your BIG brain, maybe you could have come to that conclusion?
If it aint your thread, dont post garbage.
SeedKing, I love your grow, Keep it up man.
With all due respect star it's those kind of comments that cause threads to be hi-jacked... My advice is to not step in if you see that two people might be arguing. I handled Marc's unmannerly comments maturely and respectfully, And that's where it should have ended. You calling MB an asshole is only going to cause more trouble for you... and more annoyance to SK. This is his thread, please, let's respect it. It must dissapointing to see such frequent posts then clicking your thread to discover a bunch of stoned fools arguing :D Like I said before, let's all just get along!
Starseed, I always play the devils advocate. If that makes me an asshole just because people can only think one specific way than I am one. If you can't handle it and see the only way to respond is to called people assholes then I think you need to relook your responses and see who actually is one. (ahem)
Rasta, I meant no disrespect for you when I said what I said. If you took it that way I apologize. I only was suggesting that an open mind sometimes allows a person to see things in a different light...which is sometimes the correct light. And I seriously am stoned very seldom and don't feel when I post I'm a fool. Just trying to help. When someone calls me on it I'll give them as much info as I have or can find and hope it helps.
People are waaaayyy too touchy about these conversations in these forums.