Night. EDIT: And once again, for christ sakes!... DID I CALL YOU MISTER? NO.
And just to be clear... Melton420, I really am sorry for calling you ignorant, but you could have done without that bit about us "turning our believes around". Sorry.
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Night. EDIT: And once again, for christ sakes!... DID I CALL YOU MISTER? NO.
And just to be clear... Melton420, I really am sorry for calling you ignorant, but you could have done without that bit about us "turning our believes around". Sorry.
Such is the double standard that the Christian likes to believe in. The Christian only believes it is right to spread their beliefs in God and Jesus far and wide, to bring "The Word" to every man, woman and child on the face of the Earth. But when somebody tries to publicly defend atheism, they see it as a mean-spirited and unjustified attack on their beliefs, when in reality it is no different from their "attacks" against atheism. As if Christian mythology is supposed to be some sort of untouchable subject and it's a crime to offend believers in it, but it's perfectly fine to offend the beliefs of non-Christians by telling us aaaall about why we should believe in Jesus and God and blah blah blah (that is, until they can't provide any evidence whatsoever that we should, when they either give up trying to convert us or burn us at a stake).Quote:
Originally Posted by CocaCola
You're right. It's all retarded. THIS IS WHY I DON'T GET INTO RELIGIOUS DEBATES PEOPLE!1
Do you think retarded people make their own decision on Pot, I mean, God?Quote:
Originally Posted by CocaCola
Do I think retarded people make thier own decision on Pot? uhh... yes. Yeah, I do.
yea let people believe in what they want, just because you think your all high and mighty, "ohh i dont believe in god im a big powerful man" no actually your not. get off it man.
LOL! I could just imagine someone actually saying that. I'm very touchy on the subject, I'm sorry! I know all that... but it's the internet. I can't help it if seem confrontational and opinionated and all huruff. But I didn't mean to come off so strong... :D
its ok, forgive to forget right?
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by CocaCola
It's all good, man. And sorry dudes, for the bullshit.
You have to have respect for someone who constantly answers to people's lashes.
Howdy Melton,
I believe in God and Jesus Christ.
I also think that many of the young folks replying to this thread,the ones that don't believe in God and His Son,Jesus Christ,simply don't have the experiences of Life to make them aware of God's presence..many things that I have experienced,can only be explained by the power of God and I have witnessed the power of prayer,as well. God often provides what we need..and not so often,what we want. Becoming a parent,usually changes one for the better and much is experienced that causes a person to grow up,as well as belief in God and the miracle of a child. I believe that I know the moment of conception for my daughter,it was different from any other time my wife and I made love..it was as though something greater than myself was at work..that moment was and is,still seared into my mind.
I have talked with several folks,who've had near death experiences..they all report that they felt and saw God,some report that God came to them as a Mother God..none of them wanted to return to the mortal world because of the joy they felt,but each was told-it is not yet their time..and that God still had work for them to do.
God has humbled me several times..I have lived on the streets and each time,I rose up from that dark place,by surrendering myself to God and being a humble and grateful servant..I have cast aside my desire for material wealth and have come to know,that true wealth is love and giving love in return..in that regard...I'm a very wealthy man indeed.
Someday..God will call me home..and I'll see some of y'all on the other side..and say "I told ya so !".
Have a good one !
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Originally Posted by CocaCola
LOL....well thats just classic isn't it.
you might want to re-read that......
There you go being all patronizing againd... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Torog
Don't say people like haven't had important life experiences. I'm only 25, but I've been through a lot, I've seen quite a bit too. The lens through which you view your life is already colored by Christianity, so you'll see God in anything out of the ordinary. Me, I don't need God when I have powerful human beings who care for me. I don't need God because there's nothing I fear that's insurmountable. I think everyone who believes in God so strongly must be deeply afraid of something else, be it death, sickness, hunger, misery, etc. Christians say those afflictions are caused by Satan, I say they're caused by failures of humanity, and that Satan is just everybody's favorite scapegoat. Thus the fear of Satan will make one run towards God with open arms.
I don't need God anymore because I believe in myself, in what my mind can achieve, in a positive mindset, in the potential of humanity to surmount any ill. We dno't need God anymore. Oh how right was Nietzsche when he said, "God is dead."
Just to mention, you'll never know when you'll need someone's help, other than powerful human beings. The reason I believe in God, is not because I fear death. I have been through death. And that's what made me believe. God saved me after a week that doesn't even exist in my memory, except for one moment, late at night, when I was on my mattress-on-the-floor, trying to go to sleep, and saw a roach. I walked out of my room and told my roommate, who was sleeping on a couch, that I was sleeping in our other roommates room, who just moved out. He said, "No, why do you think he slept in his closet?" I was confirmed Catholic and then lost my faith, in God, after confirmation. You can't prove God.Quote:
Originally Posted by F L E S H
And a note to Nietzsche, "Your God".
That must be the wierdest thing I've ever read... Cheers!Quote:
Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs
Ya, I didn't understand it at all.
"i hope you see the light and turn your beliefs around"
wow how about you go fuck yourself Melton420? preaching stuff you have no evidence for, and have been TOLD by other people, probably your parents, you disillusioned cock
This is weirder: I still remember a four-part dream from when I was 12, but I can only remember three dreams in the past 11 years.Quote:
Originally Posted by F L E S H
Shit, would I?Quote:
Originally Posted by likemclever
That is wierd, but at least the sentence made sense... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs
Howdy FLESH,Quote:
Originally Posted by F L E S H
Maybe I am being patronizing,but tell me this..are you a parent ? If you ain't a parent,then there's a whole side of Life that you are missing out on. Being a parent,requires one to learn selflessness and how to nurture others than just yerself.
I tell you what-I ain't never heard anyone say that they don't need God..because there are powerful human beings lookin out for em..I would never entrust my care to another human,I was raised to rely on myself and no one else..I would never fool myself into believeing for even a moment-that relying on an imperfect human..is ever a good thing.
We all need God now more than ever..and He/She,is alive and well..and always will be..and so is Jesus Christ. I have no reason to fear death or satan,as long as I give myself to God and Jesus Christ..while I do fear the Wrath of God..I don't come to God,out of fear..I know that God loves me,just as God loves us all,including you..oh errant lamb..I trust God to take care of me..not some imperfect sinner..no matter how powerful they may be,they are nothing in the face of God's Power.
Have a good one ....
Morning, Torog!
I hope you don't mind me replying to your post on F L E S H's behalf.. I hope F L E S H doesn't mind, either! lol
You say the reason alot of us don't believe in God is because we dion't have the life experience to do so. This doesn't make sense to me, as there are millions of children and young adults all over the world who do believe in God. Surely they don't have the life experience to believe in God yet, and therefore any decision on the subject that they have made was not made by them but by persuasion from another source, such as a parent or guardian? If we're too young to make the decision then they should be too.
Okay, how about this? How about nobody can make any decision regarding religion until they're at least 25? 30? How old do you have to be to decide whether you believe in something or not?
I was raised Christian. I've studied the Bible and I believed it. I believed in God. But it wasn't until I grew up and matured some that I was able to make my own decisions, my own conclusions.
I know that no matter what happens in my life i'm never going to blame God or thank God. If something bad happens that, well, shit happens. I don't live in fear of anything; when something bad happens the blame will go exactly where it should go. Likewise if something good happens in my life I will never thank anything or anyone other than the thing or person who causd it to happen. I won't thank God if I have a good life because it will be me who made that happen.
I find it extremely patronising when you say that i'm only an atheist because I don't have the life experience to believe in God. Likewise I could say that you only believe in God because you don't have the strength to live your life without a babysitter. But I would never say that because that's not what I believe. I believe that everybody needs something in their life to give them support; some people, like yourself, choose God and religion, whereas others, such as myself, do not.
Some people will just never believe in God; not because they're sinners, or because they're evil, not even because they haven't experienced life or God yet and not out of any mallicious intent. They just do not believe in God. It's that simple. I think it's foolish and ignorant of you to judge somebody based on that.
GHoST
you forgot to say have a good one....Quote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
:)
Have a good one!
:D
bunch of bible-bashers, go pray to your false gods, like the rest of the world, because your god is the only true god! all the rest are false! yeah get a clue
Thanks for answering, GHoST :D
Remember when I said that I think that people who believe in God do so because they must be intensely afraid of something else? Well it seems that you're afraid of your fellow man, you're afraid to trust another human being. It probably explains your fear of muslims, of gays, of communists, of lefties in general, and of anybody outside of Texas. Why do you fear people, Torog? And what do you hope to gain by believing in God to make up for this fear? Do you think he'll just smite all the people YOU don't like?Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
THINKERS!
means:
Two Healthy Incomes, No Kids, Early Retirement
http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/1285/childfre.html
Religion is a gigantic fraud, causes numerous problems in the world, is anti-life, and an act of desperation by people conditioned by terror to not trust their own mind or instincts.
A message to the young people out there (especially guys): don't get trapped into having kids. Don't be a sucker. If a gal (or guy) that you date insists on breeding, cut 'em loose. I always did, and am extremely glad for it.
I am married, without children, and live according to the THINKER saying above: CHILDFREE and HAPPY!
Ya know,...I do happen to believe,.. okay? I don't rank on those that choose not to. I don't preach. Can we please refrain from some of the "religious people are brain dead, conspiracy following idiots" type of stuff. It's always nice to read others opinions, and I am certainly open to your points of view but, I am not an moron. ;)
I'd assume he's talking about 'religious fanatics', whose life is to wake up and go to bed, the rest of the time, they are 95% brain dead.
Ah,.. okay ty,... just kinda made me cringe! lol
To bad your parents didnâ??t feel the same wayâ?¦.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
That's a very popular comeback to the childfree stance, and the remark can be interpreted in various ways.Quote:
Originally Posted by likemclever
These times are very different times than the baby boom days. Back then, the average man could support a family consisting of his wife, a couple of kids, and himself. This is impossible today, for most families. The end result is that the families are burdened by having to provide TWO breadwinners, that still have even more responsibilities. In the cases of single parent households, it's harder than ever to survive.
Being a parent doesn't prove or disprove anything about one's character nor does it reinforce that one has life-experience, or that one has learned to be selfless. Not being a parent doesn't discredit one's worldliness, character or ability to be selfless either. I can offer numerous examples if needed...but you're smart enough I dont think thats necessary. Lemme know if it is, however.Quote:
Originally Posted by Torog
Thats a really sad position my friend, Christian or not. Man is fallible, but man is capable and has proven itself as a species extremely capable of great things. You see this everyday. Right in front of your eyes, everyday, proof of man's greatness is all around you. And you openly reject the greatness of man out of some bizarre loyalty to your faith, like the 2 thoughts cant co-exist.Quote:
I tell you what-I ain't never heard anyone say that they don't need God..because there are powerful human beings lookin out for em..I would never entrust my care to another human,I was raised to rely on myself and no one else..I would never fool myself into believeing for even a moment-that relying on an imperfect human..is ever a good thing.
If you dont allow yourself to trust your fellow man, and to appreciate your fellow man, you have a lonely, miserable life ahead of you. Sure you have that whole superiority thing to nurture that ego of yours from time to time, but you'll be alone and people wont like you. People dont like not being appreciated, and you being as open as you are with your disrespect of your fellow man's ability is incredibly unappealing, and those who hear your vocal disrespect will think of you as a contemptuous fool not worth being around.
Ok.Quote:
We all need God now more than ever..and He/She,is alive and well..and always will be..and so is Jesus Christ.
And, like it seems to always end up being the case, it all really just boils down to this:Quote:
I have no reason to fear death or satan,as long as I give myself to God and Jesus Christ..while I do fear the Wrath of God..I don't come to God,out of fear..I know that God loves me,just as God loves us all,including you..oh errant lamb..I trust God to take care of me..not some imperfect sinner..no matter how powerful they may be,they are nothing in the face of God's Power.
Have a good one ....
"My mind is at ease now that Ive found the Lord. I dont have those unanswered questions that have plagued man for centuries tormenting me and inconveniencing me anymore!! I am content because I have put my faith in something that is easier for me to swallow than if I had not. If Im wrong, I got nothing to lose, I'll be dead and it wont matter anyway. As long as I dont have to think real hard or worry while Im on this planet, the effort put into a faith that might just be a bunch of hogwash will be more than worth the time spent as long as I dont have that incessant fear of the unknown bothering me from time to time.
Bonus: I get a sense of superiority over others! Rock on!!!"
Fear-motivated and self-serving.
I swear religions were tailor-made to appeal to man's deep desire to feel important. I find it so hilarious and almost predictable that even with the possibility that God, Jesus, and the whole bit are a lie - its easier for people to accept a lie than the dreaded alternative of not having an answer.
Nice post, Ousted. :)
hehe, ty. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
great post!
cant wait see what old man wisdom has to say...
"love thy neighbor"
well I believe in God and JESUS and i believe i am ging to heaven, you guys think its all fake .. ok go ahead and think that no ones stopping but that dosent mean thrash my god, i mean what i believe dosent hurt you
Way to go, Melton.Quote:
Originally Posted by Melton420
Melton420 if you insist on preaching your false gods, then we have a right to take the piss out of them. You are either under 15, or just a plain old inbred yank who believes anything he is told, as long as enough people say it