No, it didn't matter what animals did as they don't have souls. According to the bible.Quote:
Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs
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No, it didn't matter what animals did as they don't have souls. According to the bible.Quote:
Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs
The Bible only goes back 2500 years or so. My cat has a brain. You have a brain. Yet, she has a soul.
I suggest reading the Bible of Jesus Rex of the Church of Fatter-Day Saints'.
Actually, Warlock is right on this one... According to the Bible, animals do not have souls... Sorry kids, there's no room for dogs or cats in heaven!
It must be great to know everything about everything and everyone. Sounds like you really have things figured out! No need for anyone to try to exaplin anything to you, as you have known and experienced everything you need in your life to be satisfied with the answers and feelings you have currently!Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlock
I might believe what I just wrote above if you didn't lump people together and classify them or their behavior as though every christian is exactly the same with no room for variance, and have such strong emotion for an entire group of people.
For those reasons I find you to be grossly uninformed, uncompassionate, and narrow-minded.
I never suggested I knew everything, I have experienced ALL I NEED to experience to know that christians are scum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ousted
Every single one has a day to day battle with resisting "sin", & they struggle, they are all idiots because of this, & so many more reasons. They battle urges to do what is so natural. What fucking morons.
And this was learned through what experience?Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlock
Through hearing what they say in church, what they say on TV, christians I used to know. All the same.Quote:
Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs
They see as looking at a chicks tits as a sin, its basic human urge for a man to check out tits, & they fight it!
Who is they? They, the people who believe in Christ, who live in your english town? English Cable TV?Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlock
Jesus is a funny dude.
Yeah, hilarious guy that Jesus. Like in Mark 7:9 when he was reprimanding people for not killing their disobedient children like the Old Testament law that I quoted earlier requires Christians to do:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mk/7.html#9
So think, next time your kids curse you, What Would Jesus Do? He'd slit their throats, that's what!Quote:
And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
I'd put more stock in The New Testament. It speaks of what's to come. So I've heard...
That quote was from the New Testament. Jesus, as depicted in the New Testament, is portrayed as believing wholeheartedly in the Old Testament. Why modern Christians reject much of the Old Testament and embrace the New is a mystery to me. Clearly it has something to do with the really wacky stories you find in the Old Testament that couldn't possibly be true, but the New Testament isn't much more reliable. It speaks of things to come all right, but the New Testament makes it clear that all Jesus' predictions were supposed to happen within the lifetimes of the people Jesus was talking to, which obviously was not the case. So while it speaks of things to come, there is a definite time limit for the predictions set out by Jesus himself, which has passed without the predictions coming true. Therefore, the Second Coming is clearly as fictional as Noah's Flood.
What I said about the Old & New Testaments was exactly what this one girl from a Christian band said to me. She is not Roman Catholic like me. I don't know what the hell she is, but she kept saying catholics are bad because they don't follow the bible. I kept e-mailing her back, arguing over Jimi Hendrix, weed, the Bible (because we all know neither God, nor Jesus wrote it), so finally she told me not to e-mail her anymore because she was sick of arguing. I figured she was right, though, because she's read the Bible, through and through, and I just go to the back section of any book.
You might want to try taking a look through it yourself. There's some pretty sick and twisted stuff in there, trust me.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com
By the way, if the Bible was written by neither God nor Jesus, then who DID write it? Anybody we know we can trust? And if much of it is clearly fiction, how do you propose we pick out the bullshit from the truth? I can't find a single Christian who's been able to explain to me why I should believe the part about Jesus' divinity when other parts of the book are nothing more than ridiculous tall tales (we've got talking animals, a worldwide flood, a virgin birth, witches, demons, ghosts, and an all-loving God who doesn't give two shits about all the slavery going on). Even Jesus' own prophecies never came true in the timeframe he said they would. I don't believe in Jesus for the same reason that I don't believe in Nostradamus - they both claimed to have knowledge of the future which does not match up with what actually happened. Nothing can possibly convince me that the Bible's outlandish claims are grounded in reality without a LOT of GOOD evidence to back it up. Until you can demonstrate how the Second Coming actually did happen but nobody noticed, or you can demonstrate that the Bible doesn't say what it says, you have to admit that the prophecy of the Second Coming is not reliable.
The prophecy may have came true but derailed by the devil.
It was started by Moses. Are you calling him a liar?
I want to believe in Nostradamus so bad.
The prophecy came true? The prophecy of the END OF THE WORLD came true? How could that possibly be, if we still exist? If Jesus said something was going to happen, and it didn't, he is a false prophet. Period. It doesn't matter if "Satan" (which you also have no proof for) screwed things up; Jesus/God/whatever should have easily forseen that what with knowing everything.
Also, I doubt Moses ever existed. We just don't have any archaeological or historical evidence at all of somebody named Moses, or of Jews being enslaved in Egypt and then wandering around in the desert for 40 years (you'd think they'd have dropped a couple artifacts for us to find somewhere).
"Behold, I come quickly" â??Jesus, almost two thousand frickin years ago, in Revelations 22:7
No, the people in many english churches, on english TV with American channels. Don;t try to convince me christians are different, because they're not. They're all idiots, just the severity of it differs sometimes.Quote:
Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs
If you know everything you need to know based on your experiences with christians than why do you bother arguing with them? Why do you bother getting angry over them? If you know everything there is to know about those with faith you would know that carrying on about how moronic, idiotic, and scummy they are will affect them and their beliefs to no degree, in fact your carrying on with insults will only cause them to defend their beliefs further. Is that the result you're hoping to gain? For them to form a tighter grip on their beliefs you find to be so moronic?Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlock
Thats what makes me conclude that you must not know everything there is to know, cuz if you did know everything you needed to know you would understand that arguing and insulting their faith is futile, it will not get the results you want.
When you allow room for understanding, compassion, acceptance and tolerance of other people, they will then be more willing to listen to your beliefs with an open-mind...only with that kind of attitude and respect of other people will you be able to shift people's beliefs.
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Originally Posted by ermitonto
Thankfully someone said it(Thank you Ermi)......Especially the part about Moses/Jews/Egypt....Not to mention the bible gets the Pharoah's of each time period totally off(it's not like the egyptians kept detailed records or anything.....)I wonder how many archeologists roll their eyes everytime they hear about that. Personally I still can't keep a straight face when anyone tells me about those particularly myths. That and the walls of Jericho.....
:D
I never said I knew everything!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ousted
I said I know everything I need to know! I even capsed it in the other post. Fucking hell
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When you allow room for understanding, compassion, acceptance and tolerance of other people, they will then be more willing to listen to your beliefs with an open-mind...only with that kind of attitude and respect of other people will you be able to shift people's beliefs.
I don't think so. You lot are taught that Satanists worship Satan, you're taught all the wrong facts about a lot of things. Like X-mas being a christian holiday, I'm afraid it isn't... it's a pagan celebration, & just like many other holidays & celebrations the christians took it over.
There's gonna be no open mind there.
Um, thats exactly what I said. So, fucking hell back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlock
See?Quote:
Originally Posted by ousted
Thats really unfortunate for you, but good luck with that!Quote:
I don't think so. You lot are taught that Satanists worship Satan, you're taught all the wrong facts about a lot of things. Like X-mas being a christian holiday, I'm afraid it isn't... it's a pagan celebration, & just like many other holidays & celebrations the christians took it over.
There's gonna be no open mind there.
[QUOTE=Ousted]Um, thats exactly what I said. So, fucking hell back.
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If you know everything there is to know about those with faith you would know that carrying on about how moronic
See?! Numbnuts!
You're right. I apologize for assuming you would be interested in intellectual growth. If being stagnant is what you're satisfied with, and your current intellect is what you feel is good enough to be armed with when facing a debate, who am I to criticize! :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Warlock
So I'll just go on my way, and you can go on stupefying others with your experience-based conclusions.
Truce? :cool:
Intellectual growth? From people that follow a note pad of lies? I think notQuote:
Originally Posted by Ousted
hhhaha u crzy kids..
Have you found Christ? Try searching for Him at the Big 'Ol Booty Bonanza! http://www.fadetoblack.com/christ/christ2.htm
I don't care what you think. But, all the TV shows on American TV, I don't watch. I mean the church ones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlock
Do any other Americans watch church on TV?
I don't care who you said that too, but, Warlock, you gotta admit that's a very funny sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ousted
Well, I myself am an atheist, so Im sure you're not referring to me...but you're really uninterested in intellectual growth? Really?Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlock
Really?
I guess my frustration stems from that I do believe the things you have stated thus far (other than general classification and generalizations, however), but your approach is counterproductive to getting the results you and I would want. That alone is the only problem I have with the things you have said in this thread and others. Just as a down-to-earth christian would have a problem with someone claiming to be christian while threatening to blow up an abortion clinic would have representing them and their beliefs, I have similiar hesitance with someone with an approach such as yourself representing beliefs I have.
I hope you can understand my intention when addressing this issue, even if I wasn't very clear up until this point.
The reason I picked this one of your posts to reply to is because its the only one that has any truth to it. We can agree on something, a lot of Christians do not act as one should. This is simply because of their sin, as with all man though. A lot of "mainstream" christians as I have heard them called before, believe that eternal salvation is a license to sin per se. It frusterates me to no end to see the name of Christians tarnished, but part of this is because of how Satan perverses things. Its a sign of the end, a lot of false hope in God among people, believing many are saved when in actuallity, they are not. A true christian wants to obey God. To tell you the truth, Religion should be killed. It is not God and his word that cause (christian specific) problems today, its mainstream christians who follow Religion blindly basing their descisions on matters such as Homosexuality, on no other reason then because in a word, the bible says no to this. Rather then trying to comprehend and learn the real word of God, lots of people are tricked (once again, sign of the end of times) into believing that all they need to do is pretend that Jesus died for thier sins (Because in the bible, it says accepting jesus is how people are saved). What is misinterpritated, is the fact that this is the first step. Scripture indicates in many areas that obeying is conditional for salvation. Now, dont misunderstand that aswell. The truth is that any person who WANTS salvation will be transformed from their lives of sin to something more pleasing to God. The fact of the matter is, Mainstream christians (a percent) are no better then aithists. They go about not obeying God, living in sin. The only thing that is diffrent is the fact they will rule out certain issues, such as abortion, just because the bible says so. To tell you the truth, the only books of the bible I have covered is Revolations, Jude and Genesis. I pray for the information I need to serv God and in return, I have been revealing answers for almost everything in my life. If you want to go about with being a Christian, I suggest you actually ask the Lord for salvation through Jesus and to pray for the strength to repent (to actually repent) Read the bible and look for answers yourself. The path to salvation is not one that is to be taken with loads of people. Its a personal path, in which you gain spiritual strength and a close relationship to our God. Seriously, don't be so fast to dismiss God. Its worth eternal life. I remember before I took God seriously, I thought "How can these people seriously say they have a relationship with god? Its all in their heads." But it isn't. If you gave it a chance, you would see yourself, its real. God reveals himself to people all the time, its just that peoples lives of sin blind them from the truth. When looking for a church, move around from one to the next until you are able to find a true church of christ, with real believers attending. That is if you wish, you can do everything thats needed on your own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlock
Good stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Friedrich Nietzsche
i think it depends on waht u want wen u die, sometimes i think u can die, but choose to live after that in your own universe or own world where uc an explore EVEYRHTING
thats the thing. God does forgive you. i mean, your mom dosen't just say i forgive you when you do something fucked up, you apologize first. same way with the big guy, all he wants is an im sorryQuote:
Originally Posted by brrg744
n/t
Just merge with the white light when you die. That line always sounded cleshe' to me until I read Jesus's explanation. It appears there really is a white light that you get 2 chances to merge with, if you dont, you end up in some fantacy world on the astral plane until you can rise above that.
I'm tired so I'm going to copy+paste a bunch of shit from the internet without citations.
1: Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
2: Let us suppose that this perfect God did create the universe. Humans were the crown of his creation, since they were created in God's image and have the ability to make decisions. However, these humans spoiled the original perfection by choosing to disobey God.
What!? If something is perfect, nothing imperfect can come from it. Someone once said that bad fruit cannot come from a good tree, and yet this "perfect" God created a "perfect" universe which was rendered imperfect by the "perfect" humans. The ultimate source of imperfection is God. What is perfect cannot become imperfect, so humans must have been created imperfect. What is perfect cannot create anything imperfect, so God must be imperfect to have created these imperfect humans. A perfect God who creates imperfect humans is impossible.
3: God is omniscient. When he created the universe, he saw the sufferings which humans would endure as a result of the sin of those original humans. He heard the screams of the damned. Surely he would have known that it would have been better for those humans to never have been born (in fact, the Bible says this very thing), and surely this all-compassionate deity would have foregone the creation of a universe destined to imperfection in which many of the humans were doomed to eternal suffering. A perfectly compassionate being who creates beings which he knows are doomed to suffer is impossible.
4: A God who knows everything cannot have emotions. The Bible says that God experiences all of the emotions of humans, including anger, sadness, and happiness. We humans experience emotions as a result of new knowledge. A man who had formerly been ignorant of his wife's infidelity will experience the emotions of anger and sadness only after he has learned what had previously been hidden. In contrast, the omniscient God is ignorant of nothing. Nothing is hidden from him, nothing new may be revealed to him, so there is no gained knowledge to which he may emotively react.
We humans experience anger and frustration when something is wrong which we cannot fix. The perfect, omnipotent God, however, can fix anything. Humans experience longing for things we lack. The perfect God lacks nothing. An omniscient, omnipotent, and perfect God who experiences emotion is impossible.
If I had to guess, I'd say when you die you're in the same state you were before you were born. If you want to call that non-existence, whatever. But I suppose anything could happen...except heaven/hell...that's an obvious human invention.
God forgives anyone who asks, Jesus came into the world not to condemQuote:
Originally Posted by brrg744
the world, but to save the world through Him..