Seriously, a lot of the bible, I imagine, I've never read it, oh, well, then... I guess it's useless for me to get in this conversation. But Peter, who lived by the train tracks, said he "took a dump and it was that long!"
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Seriously, a lot of the bible, I imagine, I've never read it, oh, well, then... I guess it's useless for me to get in this conversation. But Peter, who lived by the train tracks, said he "took a dump and it was that long!"
Ok ok, i'm sorry I misspelled "misinterpretated" but oh well, i'm no english expert. Anyway, i'm sorry for forcing per se, my religon on you guys, I just wanted people to understand. As for science, its not like I dispise science, its just when something like "Humans evolved from monkeys" comes up, i'm just not going to accept a theory like that. You can understand that right? Its not like I don't believe in gravity or medicin. And obviously i'm not the person who should be explaining how to please God when i'm on a Cannabis forum! Please, I don't want to be looked at as a child or moron just because I want to believe in God. If no one else believes, thats ok. But I don't want to be the loser here just because I attempted to explain the bible. My advice to anyone who WANTS to know the answers to bible related questions though go to www.gotquestions.org. They have some pretty good information.
You're not forcing your religion on us anymore than we're forcing our lack of religion on you. :)
Kokujin X, don't be sorry for sharing your view. Don't just hate non-conformists, like...COUGH...hold on, I need a hit...(actually, the, ah, forget it long story).
But, you mentioned about speaking of pleasing God, and stuff, and how you can do that when you're at an herb-site, talking with "drug users", but we're all druggies when we sucked our mom's tit.
I'm lost as to your views of the Universe, if you've stated those, too. Try watching a Carl Sagan video to brush up. I like talking about God to whomever, wherever because it'll never end.
Alright, well let me ask a question about the "logical" existence of Earth. Now, assuming God doesn't exist, what was it that started life? I mean, as far as we know, life in itsself is the most intricate thing to exist. From the time when no life existed, what was it that jump started life? I suppose micro organisims just appared out of no where, soley based off where Earth formed. Is that really what makes Earth diffrent from other planets? Because of the exact spot Earth so happend to form in? If the Earth were even a foot closer or further from the sun, this planet would also be uninhabitable (to all lifeforms that exist on Earth now anyways).
Even being that the Earth picked the exact right spot to form, what was it that really started it all? In the whole universe (as far as we know) there is nothing suggesting that life can even exist. All you see is rocks and gas, nothing that even seems close to life. I mean, even how life works, how everything works togather and how bacteria is even 10,000 times more intelligent then anything in space.
How am I expected to believe this? It almost seems more far-fetched then the possibility of God.
well i ADMIT i cannot explain stuff, infact no one really can... all it is, is pure speculation. i do not believe howerver some magical man in the sky made the earth. either side you look on there is something unexplainable happening, it's about what side of the fence you are on. i *believe* i'm on the right side because a whole lot more about life that we know can be explained from scietific means or logical means, while as basicly everything in the book is *magical* for lack of a better word. and, well i do believe in the history of evolution, if you look at primates is it really so hard to believe we developed from them? they are one of the smartest creatures on the planet known to us, and have been around for a loooooooooooooong time (giving the time to evolve) not to mention the sheer similairities they share with us and not many other animals on this earth (if any).
Well, except for your last sentence, you basically hit the nail on the head. Face it brother, you and me are nothing more than sentient cosmic dust.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kokujin X
God is a human construct which came into being because we're (humanity in general) are too scared to admit to ourselves that we are alone. But actually, there's nothing wrong with that. We don't need God anymore, we've overcome that notion, and it will catch on with the entire population of Earth sooner or later.
As for evolution, why is it such a bad thing that we evolved from apes? I don't understand that. It just proves that all living organisms share the same beginning, whether it be the worm under your shoe, the bird in the sky, or your mother. But of course, Christians would have you believe that humans are superior to all other living things, but if you take a step back and think about it, that doesn't make any sense either. We are all living, and we all share the same biological past. To me, that's beautiful, not shameful.
I just find it strange that a group of people who are supposed to be looking for the logic in things, will just say our existance is unexplainable. If your support logic, then how do you support this? It makes no sense! I mean, look at it. The Earth is out of place in the Universe, in fact according to what we know, we shouldn't even exist! There is an infinite space where nothing even resembling life exists. I refuse to believe that life was just some extreme fluke of the universe, which shouldn't even happen (a fluke that is) if you don't have some other force in control. All signs point to a God.
Man is a creation of God and theorys (such as how the Earth was formed) were made by people who simply refuse to accept a higher power. I hope you realize this statment was no more severe then yours.Quote:
God is a human construct which came into being because we're (humanity in general) are too scared to admit to ourselves that we are alone.
like i said, either way you look something that is out of the concept of explination happened, whether you believe in a being, a diety that magically created everything or whether you believe a great energy, some cosmic disruption fused millions and millions and billions of pounds of dust and water vapor into an earth. until we can travel back in the past (or find some other form of truth) neither will truley be confirmed no dis-confirmed. i'm not trying to convert any christian. i simply want every christian to actually take the time to read the bible look for the loop holes, realize how out of character god is really portrayed in the bible as to how he's talked about in everyday speech and realize there may be [less in your cases] to what you think. i do not *hate god* i just think there are much more sensible and simpler explinations then what you [christians and god believers and such] suggest.
Yeah, I realize that God seems to do some strange things sometimes. But in my opinion, how can I really expect to understand his way? When I was little, I would wonder why my mother would do things (such as time out or whatever) but as I got older I understood (as with most kids and their parents). If God existed for all eternity, then how can I possible understand him and his ways? Its not like I overlook the inconstancies in God's behavior and whatnot and yes, I do often question it. But a lot of things that would seem vague/inconsistant or just plain out contradictions are just not being explained the right way. I have learned this after years and years of constant questioning. If theres something I don't understand right away, in most cases its because of the way i'm viewing it.
Life is a by-product of the big bang. Stars formed. To me, Christians are no different than God-ians. They'll all be at the family reunion. Uh-oh, hiccups. Gotta go, I know this trick that's sure-fire, one time I had the hiccups for three days!
Sometimes I think God is playing a game with his friends.
What's wrong with leaving it as "inexplicable"? Are you going to be so arrogant as to say that, in our short time of infesting this planet, we have managed to uncover all the secrets of this universe? We don't even know much about how our brain functions, about how the forces of the Earth work in harmony with eachother, why some people act how they act..... if and when we finally manage to begin exploring the outer reaches of our galaxy there are going to be even more unanswerable questions. Science is an ever-evolving entity, and every answer raises a load more questions which, in time, we discover the answers to, and so on and so forth. Modern religion sees this, and evolves with it. For every scientific discovery we find, you change your theories to suit your beliefs. You'll say "science can't prove x, therefore God exists" and when x is proven, you'll say "well science can't prove y, therefore God exists".
Don't pretend that God is the only alternative to what we don't know. The only thing God is an alternative to is logic.
Excellent post, and I like that Dark Tower quote... :DQuote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
it takes faith to explain any origin of the earth. there are two polar extremes in faith; some people have more faith in scientific theory some people have more faith in the paranormal side of life (ie religion, spirituality). i don't think that everyone comprehends or can put faith into the same thing, otherwise we wouldn't have so many faith-based wars.
Thanks man! I could go even further and say "thankee-sai" or whatever the fuck, but I think that would be too far.. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by F L E S H
Well, the same goes for Religion. There are "inexplicable" things in the bible (or just with the concept of God himself) that people constantly use to try and debunk it. I don't necessarily change my theories to suit my beliefs based on what science learns (especially when its something like the big bang theory) and I definatly don't have to. This is just a loop! You'll say "x just doesn't make sense!"(assume its a verse in the bible), therefore science must be right" and when x is explained in the proper manner, you'll say "well y doesn't make sense! therefore science is correct".Quote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
and vice-versa for religion. I've heard countless arguments consisting of "... and that's why the scientific theory is flawed, proving that god must have done it!" a lack of explanation doesn't give god credit by default.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kokujin X
Well, yes your right. But a lack of explanation (thinking logically) either means we just don't have the necessary means to learn the answer, or that something supernatural exists. Since we don't know the answer however, the supernatural possiblity is still at a 50% chance I would assume. Surly if it is not something supernatural, we'll find out some time. But you can't just rule out God because you doubt its true... i'm not so sure where i'm going with this, but I think the topic is getting too broad.
I'm lost, but who was the scientist who formulated all the hurricanes and laid the groundwork for earthquakes?
50% chance? I wouldn't say that. god it just a theory that gained popularity, but there's still no evidence of a supernatural being. There's no more chance of a god than the explanation that the universe is ruled by omnipitant gremlins, underwater sea people that are invisible, magical fairies etc. not knowing the answer opens the doors to infinite explanations without evidence, which makes the existence of god a 1 in infinity chance, the same as my omnipitant gremlin theory and all others.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kokujin X
The fact of the matter is, just because someone cannot be explained scientifically DOES not mean there are supernatural forces at work. It's that simple. Why don't you get it?
Let's break it down:Quote:
Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR
Just because someone cannot be explained scientifically
(which is what physiologists are for)
DOES NOT
mean
there are supernatural forces at work.
So, if the first one is true, is the second one, then?
1. "someone" was a typoQuote:
Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs
2. you have a very strange way of interpreting things. :p
some crazy fuckQuote:
Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs
all those omnipitant gremlins and magical fairies are a part of supernatural if they aren't scientific. i think they were just saying that there could be a scientific explanation and there could be a supernatural explanation. and there are a lot of people who get supernatural feelings and intuition and the paranormal etc. and also a lot of scientists, and if each groups are exploring and learning more about what their faith is in, i think that will lead to the right discovery. this debating is actually kinda healthy if no one takes offense.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrdevious
yeah, beachguy, that was a typo, I was screwed. Leave me alone. lol
Sorry, Stoker, but I wasn't the one screwing you!
Just because something cannot be explained scientifically does not necessarily mean there are supernatural forces at work. Maybe that is what Ghosttoker meant. If something can be be explained scientifically, it doesnt matter if there are supernatural forces at work because we already know the scientific explanation.Quote:
Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs
It didn't matter what Stoker meant, I was just messing with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojavpa
I figure these debates are always gonna wind up as inconclusive, so I'll just watch.
Small point which seems to have alot of creationists panties in a bunch. We did NOT evolve FROM apes or monkeys....we share a common ancestor. Transitional Species people and Observed Speciation ;). Read up on em, Dinosaurs also never died out their called birds and lizards now.....and mammals in some parts......The only ones that did were the "big boys" .
Rant done....(although it seems to be a repetitive one as fundies never do the research...)
life is just a giant mystery that will never be solved. all i know for certain is my physical body will die ,ill worry about the rest after that, if anything even exist's.
dust in the wind brother's dust in the wind.......
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Originally Posted by weirdo79
you're right, we do share a common ancestor with apes, but we actually did evolve from monkeys, because they were one of the first primates. And we evolved from fish, because millions of years ago fish and other sea creatures were the only animals that occupied the earth, before they eventually evolved to be able to live on land. And because the first land animals were reptiles and amphibians, one could say we evolved from them too. Think of it this way, reptiles and mammals share a common ancestor but that ancestor had to have been a sea dwelling creature.
There's something we can all agree on! Now lets all go back to my place and pass around some joints. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs
Sure!!! Just give me $12 to cross the Chesapeake Bay Bridge. Then tolls in New Jersey, then the N.Y. State Thruway, then I'm home free.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrdevious
I'll cover the toll for U.S. Toll Road 1.
Actually mojavpa the transitionals for hominids are not called monkeys so no, we are not evolved from monkeys.
And, you make a valid point for the fish except for some reason you only go one stage back and don't regress farther to point out the amoeba algae connection ;) . Also it doesnt HAVE to be a sea dwelling creature (the transitional for lizard/mammal) it just happens to be. One mutational difference and it might have been completely different. The lungfish is a classic Evolutionists arguement for that particular point.(so many different kinds of them too ;) ).
Basically, you're saying that we're all related because we come from the same single-celled organism that started life upon Earth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mojavpa
Right. But not only are humans all related... It comes down to this: every single living cell/organism is related if you go far enough back in time. Trees, bees, bacteria, bears, weed, flowers... and us. I think it's beautiful, don't you?Quote:
Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs
going back to the original point: today on the news it was said that there isn't really a great spike in number of storms in the last few years, matter of fact it's gone up very little if at any in 30 or more years (according to what this was saying) but the power of the storms is growing increasingly stronger with huge spikes (think about this, before it's a huricane it's a tropical storm, so more and more of these storms are becoming hurricane strength than they used to, so it seems like there's more becasue tropical storms don't get as much attention)
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Originally Posted by beachguy in thongs
Yes, and that the different kingdoms diverged early on from that single-celled organism, so we definately didnt evolve from, say, plants. Those cells that were able to photosynthesize evolved to become plants and algae, and those that had only mitochondria evolved to become animals.