Pro-Bush Demonstrators Counter Sheehan

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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR

LOL... I don't know much about this case or this woman, but she does seem like she's just using her sons death as a way to further her 'career'. It's pretty lame and it's making her look like a twat.

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if i may...


what career? you think she's up for a talk show spot?


Why can't people see it's not about fame? is that what society's about now? who can get their 15 minutes?




her son DIED, dude. she met the president and she was expecting so much that he actually cared...it took a while for it to hit her.


she's out there...she went out by HERSELF and didnt ask anyone else to come with her. she was prepared to sit there through wind and rain and without food if need be, to get the president to answer



WHY doesnt bush want to talk? if this were any other president, this wouldve been a priority to prevent political suicide. he refuses to answer.



fort bragg....selective audiences at press conferences. there arent any dems at his speeches and you have to be upper crust to even think about getting inside, (R) or not.



bush refuses to hold press conferences or answer ANY questions regarding 9/11...the war...the border crisis...NOTHING.



she's looking for attention that is true... but NOT for herself. but for the american people to wake up and realise that whats going on is wrong illegal and destroying the country.



if you believe that troops should stay in iraq to "stay the (illegal) course" then you do them a disservice and its dishonourable in my eyes. and you deserve to be right on the front lines facing an IED

Look at it this way... If a Republican's son/daughter died in Iraq at the hands of one of the 'insurgents', and they did what Sheehan is doing now, except they used their child's death to promote the war, saying that these 'insurgents' need to be taken out, then would you agree? Would Sheehan agree? The answer, I fear, is no. So then she is using the death of her son to strengthen her political views, almost as if saying "See!". She claims to have been doing "this type of thing" for a while, long before her son died, and now that he has died she is using his name and his death to get into the press so she can preach about what she thinks is right or wrong.

I'm not saying I agree with her political views or not, i'm just saying that I don't agree with the way she is getting those views across.

i dont think she picks who comes,but you can sure see the mentality of the people who do come.al sharpton?lol.nobody gives a shit about this woman anymore.she is an anti-semitic and a racist.

with the election last year,the election on Oct. 15,the DEMOCRATIC constitution,the continued capture and killing of middle eatern finatics,none of those great soldiers have died in vain.

you guys keep up your funny protest in Crawford and outside the army medical base,you are digging your own graves.thank you.

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

Hey well at least the election wouldve been won fair and square, not stolen. integrity doesnt count much in america anymore huh? it doesnt matter what dirty tactics are used to win, because somehow the ends always justify the means?

Democrats point of view. Face it..GORE LOST!!!

I dont hear you complaining about what a bad choice bush was. both of them. i dont recal you talking about who set the framework by getting saddam into power and making sure it was secured.

History lesson Saddam 101...The Rise and Fall of an Asshole:
http://www.emergency.com/hussein1.htm


i dont recall you at least discussing the issue of how the president wants to forcibly restrict gay marriages. im not some faggot but how does the government have a say in your personal life?

Thats his point of view along with a lot of other people. I don't believe that the Government has a place in the bedroom myself but like others, that's my opinion.

and about rwanda....i havnt heard a formal apology about that either from bush. he wasnt presiding, but he speaks for the nation and the actions of the nation.

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Clinton ignored it because of the French. Why the hell should Bush apologize for something that Clinton still won't own up to? Maybe CLINTON should apologize and admit that he ignored the facts due to strong ties with the French. Nooooo, Lets just say it's Bush's fault!

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Clinton ignored it because of the French. Why the hell should Bush apologize for something that Clinton still won't own up to? Maybe CLINTON should apologize and admit that he ignored the facts due to strong ties with the French. Nooooo, Lets just say it's Bush's fault!

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i never said bush was reponsible.


japan fucked china over and the chinese are still asking for some kind of formal recognition.


bush mcan easily hold a press conference and formally apologize for america' lack of help. it doesnt matter who fucked up, it matters who takes responsibility.


i dont like clinton much at all, but looks like bush isnt much better either.

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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR

Look at it this way... If a Republican's son/daughter died in Iraq at the hands of one of the 'insurgents', and they did what Sheehan is doing now, except they used their child's death to promote the war, saying that these 'insurgents' need to be taken out, then would you agree? Would Sheehan agree? The answer, I fear, is no. So then she is using the death of her son to strengthen her political views, almost as if saying "See!". She claims to have been doing "this type of thing" for a while, long before her son died, and now that he has died she is using his name and his death to get into the press so she can preach about what she thinks is right or wrong.

I'm not saying I agree with her political views or not, i'm just saying that I don't agree with the way she is getting those views across.

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lemme apologize in advance if it looked as if i was criticizing you. i wasnt. i shouldve mentioned i was speaking generally.



i wouldnt agree if a rep. did that. i dont believe in politics or false partisanship. the war is wrong. plain and simple. if someone were to do that, it would be out of blind rage and anger. sheehan lost her son and thats what made her snap out of unreasonable thinking.

politics has nothing to do with the matter. if she did the exact same thing only she was an ardent rep. then would that mean she's crazy for not backing bush? or does that mean she's a human being who's had enough of the pointless violence?

Why cant she preach? isnt that what america's about? being able to speak your mind and not have to be uniform or conform to any standards you dont agree with?

and let's not forget, the press got wind of her and THEY found her. not the other way around. she was a woman content to sit in her chair and wait patiently for bush to own up and be a man.


so far ive seen the leader of the most powerful nation in the world act like a cowardly child and a frail hippy sand with the strength of ten men.


sorry mate, ill have to g with sheehan on this one.




keep up the good pot!

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

i never said bush was reponsible.


japan fucked china over and the chinese are still asking for some kind of formal recognition.


bush mcan easily hold a press conference and formally apologize for america' lack of help. it doesnt matter who fucked up, it matters who takes responsibility.


i dont like clinton much at all, but looks like bush isnt much better either.

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Yah, it would be nice for Bush to get on TV and formally apologize for Clintons fuck ups but, since we're looking for miracles, wouldn't it be nicer if the French quit supplying the perpetrators of the genocide weapons? Maybe Chirac could get on TV with Bush? :D

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Originally Posted by amsterdam

i dont think she picks who comes,but you can sure see the mentality of the people who do come.al sharpton?lol.nobody gives a shit about this woman anymore.she is an anti-semitic and a racist.

with the election last year,the election on Oct. 15,the DEMOCRATIC constitution,the continued capture and killing of middle eatern finatics,none of those great soldiers have died in vain.

you guys keep up your funny protest in Crawford and outside the army medical base,you are digging your own graves.thank you.

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oh wow, bill o'reilly and cafferty are such stellar examples of the right crowd to associate with :rolleyes:

she's anti-semitic, why? i havnt heard you say anything as t why you really think shes anti-semitic. my opinion is, fuck those israeli bastards.

this is their war, and you know it is. i wonder what your views on the israelis would be if you were the father of a son killed in an "accidental" TWO HOUR attack on the uss liberty (the same one where the fighter pilot observed and reported the american flag before being ordered to fire anyway).

the father of the american tourist run over by an israeli tank SEVERAL TIMES, when she was peacefully protesting their cruelty towards palestinians.


the father of a son rounded up by israeli troops and shot behind some building either because they were looking for terrorists or just wanted to have some fun.


you place yourself in any one of those situations and couple it with the amount of money israel recieves from america while they build up their military.


how many times would you punch me in the face if i called you anti-semitic for not supporting israel's evil terrorist-like war or giving "foreign aid" to their citizens while the government gets fatter with all the disposable income?

HOW MANY FUCKNG TIMES? :mad:


and you can quite nicely fuck off with this democratic election bullshit. all it is, is the installation of yet ANOTHER soon-to-be-corrupted puppet government that will be a problem in 15 years or so... then the great mighty america will swoop in to liberate the people from the same bad men they put into power years ago...its getting old now.

its just like the fried chicken and bananas at guantanamo, show thm that and everythings fine with prisoner abuse....show them some iraqi woman with her finger in blue ink holding up the peace sign and the iraqis have such a wonderful democratic society...


...just continue about your business and ignore the 2000+ protestors proclaiming theyd rather have saddam back and the threats of civil war from all three factions...everything's fine....


you're so desperate to see bushs approval rating climb above 40%, its ridiculous....



smoke some pot man. just smoke some pot.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Yah, it would be nice for Bush to get on TV and formally apologize for Clintons fuck ups but, since we're looking for miracles, wouldn't it be nicer if the French quit supplying the perpetrators of the genocide weapons? Maybe Chirac could get on TV with Bush? :D

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so why not war with france? theyll just give up anyway :D

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

and you can quite nicely fuck off with this democratic election bullshit. all it is, is the installation of yet ANOTHER soon-to-be-corrupted puppet government that will be a problem in 15 years or so... then the great mighty america will swoop in to liberate the people from the same bad men they put into power years ago...its getting old now.

If they want to elect puppets, it's their election.


...just continue about your business and ignore the 2000+ protestors proclaiming theyd rather have saddam back and the threats of civil war from all three factions...everything's fine.....

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2000 protestors in a Sunni stronghold, Saddams home town, Tikret. 2000 people out of 26,000,000....come on now Nick, just slooooowwwww down and take a big hit. :D

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

so why not war with france? theyll just give up anyway :D

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Love to!!! SERIOUSLY!!! But who wants to win over a country full of pussies! Oh yah, their good pals the Germans. :D

OFF THREAD TOPIC!!! ALERT!!!

Pro-Bush Demonstrators Counter Sheehan

Have to agree with the Pro-Bush on this one....SHE'S A BITCH!!! :D

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

from what i gather, they fight for freedom rom american rule. from american opression. as ironic as that sounds. right now, if america came through canadian streets trying to impose their way on us, then fuck yeh im gonna be blastin some red white and blue ass. not because their american and i hate their freedom, but because someone is threatening my home for HIS/HER benefit.

Who's to say what's opressive and cruel? women arent viewed as having equal rights as a man? how are they wrong? how are we right? just because we let women vote and have a hand in everything doesnt make us some superior nation. we're just culturally different.

evil saddam has been deposed. and the jihadists that attacked on sep 11, 2001 WERENT FROM IRAQ. THEY WERE FROM SAUDI ARABIA. and guess what? id be willing to bet that if iraq owned about 7% of america like the saudis do, we'd be fighting evil iranian terrorists right now instead. I mean, shit. Theyre all a bunch of sandy arabs right?


I'd bet everything that if you grew up in an america where chinese fighter planes bombed your neighbourhood every week for years, and their people viewed you as some baseball playing savage, you'd travel to hong kong in a fucking second to make a stand that you wouldnt put up wit the shit any more.

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Read what I put in bold and you can see a major flaw in reasoning here.

American Oppression? Come on, you canâ??t be serious, you and I both know that the American forces occupying Iraq are nearly as oppressive as the bathist regime was prior to its destruction. As for the idea of Iraqis fighting for freedom from American rule, well Iâ??d say such a claim is somewhat deceptive. It has become quite clear that a large percentage of the opposition we are now facing is the result of Iranian militants and supplies finding their way into Iraq. Letâ??s not forget that we are also helping them establish their own government, so why would they continue conducting attacks delaying that process resulting in a prolonged American presence in Iraq? (that is assuming they the Iraqiâ??s want us out)

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

Who's to say what's opressive and cruel? women arent viewed as having equal rights as a man? how are they wrong? how are we right? just because we let women vote and have a hand in everything doesnt make us some superior nation. we're just culturally different.

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definition for cruel: 1 : disposed to inflict pain or suffering : devoid of humane feelings
2 a : causing or conducive to injury, grief, or pain <a cruel joke> b : unrelieved by leniency
synonym see FIERCE

Well thereâ??s not much room for interpretation when in comes to cruel and Iâ??d say radical Islam contains all the criteria to be correctly classified as an ideology of cruelty.
As for women why stop there? Suppose we considered radical Islam virtuous and true then how could we claim any other radical ideology is wrong? What made Stalinism wrong? What made Nazism wrong? Hey after all German culture, you know how that is.

So the terrorists were from Saudi Arabia, but funny thing is we never bombed Saudi Arabia prior to or after 911. In fact not only have we not attacked the Saudiâ??s, but we also happen to do a good business with them, which they do profit from. Meaning that your little thesis concerning the motivations of terrorists is delusory to somewhat flawed at best. What is most surprising is you exposed the flaw in your own reasoning.

I do agree that the war in Iraq wasnâ??t necessary and wasnâ??t properly executed, but the war on terror is a must. Will we eliminate radical Islam? Yes. Is it a shame that such measures had to be taken? Yes. The fact is though that radical Islam was doomed to extinction anyway, because of the fact that radical Islam doesnâ??t allow an environment capable of supporting social evolution.(social evolution resulting from the free exchange of ideas)

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Originally Posted by Nicoli

Read what I put in bold and you can see a major flaw in reasoning here.

American Oppression? Come on, you canâ??t be serious, you and I both know that the American forces occupying Iraq are nearly as oppressive as the bathist regime was prior to its destruction. As for the idea of Iraqis fighting for freedom from American rule, well Iâ??d say such a claim is somewhat deceptive. It has become quite clear that a large percentage of the opposition we are now facing is the result of Iranian militants and supplies finding their way into Iraq. Letâ??s not forget that we are also helping them establish their own government, so why would they continue conducting attacks delaying that process resulting in a prolonged American presence in Iraq? (that is assuming they the Iraqiâ??s want us out)



definition for cruel: 1 : disposed to inflict pain or suffering : devoid of humane feelings
2 a : causing or conducive to injury, grief, or pain <a cruel joke> b : unrelieved by leniency
synonym see FIERCE

Well thereâ??s not much room for interpretation when in comes to cruel and Iâ??d say radical Islam contains all the criteria to be correctly classified as an ideology of cruelty.
As for women why stop there? Suppose we considered radical Islam virtuous and true then how could we claim any other radical ideology is wrong? What made Stalinism wrong? What made Nazism wrong? Hey after all German culture, you know how that is.

So the terrorists were from Saudi Arabia, but funny thing is we never bombed Saudi Arabia prior to or after 911. In fact not only have we not attacked the Saudiâ??s, but we also happen to do a good business with them, which they do profit from. Meaning that your little thesis concerning the motivations of terrorists is delusory to somewhat flawed at best. What is most surprising is you exposed the flaw in your own reasoning.

I do agree that the war in Iraq wasnâ??t necessary and wasnâ??t properly executed, but the war on terror is a must. Will we eliminate radical Islam? Yes. Is it a shame that such measures had to be taken? Yes. The fact is though that radical Islam was doomed to extinction anyway, because of the fact that radical Islam doesnâ??t allow an environment capable of supporting social evolution.(social evolution resulting from the free exchange of ideas)

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okay...wait a minute...i havnt smoked in a good long fucking while now and i cant make too much sense out of your arguement.


its probably just my nerves but what are you thinking that im trying to say? it looks as if you think i support the war or somthin.


help me out and ill be happy to input my opinion.

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Originally Posted by nicholasstanko

okay...wait a minute...i havnt smoked in a good long fucking while now and i cant make too much sense out of your arguement.


its probably just my nerves but what are you thinking that im trying to say? it looks as if you think i support the war or somthin.


help me out and ill be happy to input my opinion.

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Ok to sum it up briefly, you seem to think terrorists attack us, because we attack and oppress them. This was after you said the terrorists involved in 911 came from Saudi Arabia. Note however how we never bombed the shit out of Saudi Arabia or oppressed Saudi Arabia. Like I said before they benefit greatly from us as a result of our need for oil. Based on your post about how I'd attack China if China was bombing my country implies that you think terrorists attacked us because we bombed them. It is clear however that this is not always the case.

[QUOTE=Nicoli]Ok to sum it up briefly, you seem to think terrorists attack us, because we attack and oppress them. This was after you said the terrorists involved in 911 came from Saudi Arabia. Note however how we never bombed the shit out of Saudi Arabia or oppressed Saudi Arabia. Like I said before they benefit greatly from us as a result of our need for oil. Based on your post about how I'd attack China if China was bombing my country implies that you think terrorists attacked us because we bombed them. It is clear however that this is not always the case.[/QUOTE}

all it has to do with is the spread of wahabbism,a distorted take of the great religon Islam.

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Originally Posted by amsterdam

it has to do with is a distorted take of the great religon Islam.

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Agreed. But I think it is alot more complicated than that. These people aren't killing people for no reason, are they? At least not in their minds.

it is complicated i agree,but freedom and democracy will prevail.

I hope they do, Amsterdam. At last we agree! :)

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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR

Agreed. But I think it is alot more complicated than that. These people aren't killing people for no reason, are they? At least not in their minds.

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Howdy GhostToker,

Yup..yer right,the jihadists have many reasons for wanting to murder in cold-blood,the koran instructs them to slay all Jews and infidels,the jihadists despise individual freedom for all and seek to impose a male-dominated society,where women and children,exist at their mercy,the jihadists resent the modernization of their countries by the infidels of America and other Free World countries and desire a return to the 7th century..yup..they have alot of reasons to murder the innocent in cold-blood.

Have a good one ...

no doubt about it,it is already happening.

Torog,

Being a religious man I will take it for granted that you are familiar with the Bible. Now, in the Bible there are clear instructions to kill or to hurt people for things such as homosexuality, cheating on your spouse, sleeping with another mans wife, etc. But do you see this happening in America? The USA is a predominantly Christian nation. So why aren't homosexuals and such killed? Because it is wrong, and as normal, decent individuals, as most Christians are, they can see it is wrong, or at least deemed wrong by the society they live in. I imagine that this is the same as the koran. Maybe it does instruct people to do some evil things, but the vast majority of them don't do these things, frankly because they're wrong. Do you agree?

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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR

Torog,

Being a religious man I will take it for granted that you are familiar with the Bible. Now, in the Bible there are clear instructions to kill or to hurt people for things such as homosexuality, cheating on your spouse, sleeping with another mans wife, etc. But do you see this happening in America? The USA is a predominantly Christian nation. So why aren't homosexuals and such killed? Because it is wrong, and as normal, decent individuals, as most Christians are, they can see it is wrong, or at least deemed wrong by the society they live in. I imagine that this is the same as the koran. Maybe it does instruct people to do some evil things, but the vast majority of them don't do these things, frankly because they're wrong. Do you agree?

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Surah 47. Muhammad
4. Therefore, when ye meet the Unbelievers (in fight), smite at their necks; At length, when ye have thoroughly subdued them, bind a bond firmly (on them): thereafter (is the time for) either generosity or ransom: Until the war lays down its burdens. Thus (are ye commanded): but if it had been Allah.s Will, He could certainly have exacted retribution from them (Himself); but (He lets you fight) in order to test you, some with others. But those who are slain in the Way of Allah,- He will never let their deeds be lost.

I'm also trying to find a verse that goes on the order that in the last days, Mohamad will point out the Jews from behind every tree and stone that they hide, when they are killed off, then Allah will return to earth.

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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR

Torog,

Being a religious man I will take it for granted that you are familiar with the Bible. Now, in the Bible there are clear instructions to kill or to hurt people for things such as homosexuality, cheating on your spouse, sleeping with another mans wife, etc. But do you see this happening in America? The USA is a predominantly Christian nation. So why aren't homosexuals and such killed? Because it is wrong, and as normal, decent individuals, as most Christians are, they can see it is wrong, or at least deemed wrong by the society they live in. I imagine that this is the same as the koran. Maybe it does instruct people to do some evil things, but the vast majority of them don't do these things, frankly because they're wrong. Do you agree?

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Howdy GhostToker,

Yup..I do agree..but I would also like to point out,that the vast majority of Christians,live by the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the New Testament,but,as in every religion..I reckon that there radical fundementalists who do the wrong thing. My Jewish girlfriend,says that she believes that not all muslims or arabs are bad,that she would like to live in peace with them,she does not consider all of them to be her enemies..nor do I..only those who are against individual freedom..are all of our enemies..it is they-whom I wish to vanquish.

You do believe in freedom for all,don't you ? I reckon that you do....

Have a good one ....

Is Islam a peaceful religion? What are freedoms like in an Islamic country? How are people of other beliefs treated in these countries?



"So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush.."

Sura 9:5



"Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection."

Sura 9:29



"And fight in the way of Allah, and know that Allah is Hearing, Knowing."

Sura 2:244



"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement."

Sura 5:33



"So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates. That (shall be so); and if Allah had pleased He would certainly have exacted what is due from them, but that He may try some of you by means of others; and (as for) those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will by no means allow their deeds to perish."

Sura 47:4



The Quran teaches men can have up to four wives.



"And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one or what your right hands possess; this is more proper, that you may not deviate from the right course."

Sura 4:3



The Quran teaches it is ok to beat your wife.



"Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

Sura 4:34



The Quran teaches it is ok with Allah if you lie.



"Allah indeed has sanctioned for you the expiation of your oaths and Allah is your Protector, and He is the Knowing the Wise."

Sura 66:2



Allah could have saved us, but He had to fill hell.



"And if We had pleased We would certainly have given to every soul its guidance, but the word (which had gone forth) from Me was just: I will certainly fill hell with the jinn and men together."

Sura 32:13
http://www.myfortress.org/islam.html

Hey Torog,

Of course I want Freedom for all! That's the number one reason I don't believe in certain religions (because you have to give up certain freedoms), certain governments (because they take away freedoms), and most wars (because they, more often than not, are started in the name of freedom). It's good that you can see that there are fundamentalists and extremists in alot of religions, not just the one.

As much as I am not a religious person, I would absolutely love it if all religions were at peace with eachother. This is why fundamentalists from every religion scare the crap out of me. You have Islamic fundies blowing people up, and Christian fundies trying to take over the USA. When people take their religion too far, and try and cram it down people's throats, well, that's when it goes wrong and arguments start. There'll never be peace with people like that.

Oh, and Psycho4bud, please don't try and convince me that Islam is evil, or whatever you're trying to do. It's completely pointless, because it's not the only religious text to ever incite violence.

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Originally Posted by Nicoli

Ok to sum it up briefly, you seem to think terrorists attack us, because we attack and oppress them. This was after you said the terrorists involved in 911 came from Saudi Arabia. Note however how we never bombed the shit out of Saudi Arabia or oppressed Saudi Arabia. Like I said before they benefit greatly from us as a result of our need for oil. Based on your post about how I'd attack China if China was bombing my country implies that you think terrorists attacked us because we bombed them. It is clear however that this is not always the case.

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oh i get it.


what i was trying to point out was that the war wasnt justified because the terorrists were from saudi.

why wasnt there any talk about hitting saudi hard? it was because of the money issue. this whole thins was about money. thats why its wrong.


and the bombers were saudi, but they didnt planand carry out their operation from inside saudi. the nationality isnt important. i just find it odd that saudis who didnt plan out their attacks in iraq were responsible for iraq getting war declared on them.


it makes no sense.

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Originally Posted by Torog

Howdy GhostToker,

Yup..I do agree..but I would also like to point out,that the vast majority of Christians,live by the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the New Testament,but,as in every religion..I reckon that there radical fundementalists who do the wrong thing. My Jewish girlfriend,says that she believes that not all muslims or arabs are bad,that she would like to live in peace with them,she does not consider all of them to be her enemies..nor do I..only those who are against individual freedom..are all of our enemies..it is they-whom I wish to vanquish.

You do believe in freedom for all,don't you ? I reckon that you do....

Have a good one ....

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but at what cost, torog.


look at the buget...look at the casualty..look at the hoplesness the generals portray when they state theyve given up hopes of military victory...



i believe in liberty and freedom...but i dont believe in it being forced upon the populace o the backs of failed and deceitful intelligence.


you want so bad to make them "free" so you can get extra shuteye at night...you never really cared about them until bush told you to.



all the while, america goes to hell. right now in New orleans and louisiana there's rampant looting going on...and guess where the National Guard is whose supposed to protect people?


i just finished watching cnn....they wont be able to get back for almost two weeks... the only thing left will be spam.




torog, youre so keen to fight terrorism...but your own american civilians are being terrorised right now as we type back and forth...think about that.





let's roll.

"the only thing left will be spam."

LOL! haha :D

Sorry, didn't mean to interrupt.. just thought that was hilarious! :)

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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR

"the only thing left will be spam."

LOL! haha :D

Sorry, didn't mean to interrupt.. just thought that was hilarious! :)

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lol. but at least you get what im sayin, right? :D

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Originally Posted by GHoSToKeR

Oh, and Psycho4bud, please don't try and convince me that Islam is evil, or whatever you're trying to do. It's completely pointless, because it's not the only religious text to ever incite violence.

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Not trying to convince you of anything. I agree that not only religious text incites violence but SOME people today are using these words to incite violence on the U.S.. You can at least agree with that.

i agree with that, psycho.


but can you also agree that the same thing goes on in the states?

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

Not trying to convince you of anything. I agree that not only religious text incites violence but SOME people today are using these words to incite violence on the U.S.. You can at least agree with that.

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Yup, totally agree, %100. But still, just because some people are doing this it does not mean that Islam is a violent religion, so don't try and portray it as one. Like I said earlier, you could use the Bible to portray Christianity as an extremeley violent religion, but the majority of Christians aren't violent at all. Just the same way the majority of Muslims aren't violent. :)

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Yup, totally agree, %100. But still, just because some people are doing this it does not mean that Islam is a violent religion, so don't try and portray it as one. Like I said earlier, you could use the Bible to portray Christianity as an extremeley violent religion, but the majority of Christians aren't violent at all. Just the same way the majority of Muslims aren't violent. :)

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This is getting damn scary!!! :eek: I agree with ya again! :eek: The only thing about the different factions of religious beliefs that I can really say aren't, or don't promote violence is the 10 commandments that most religions follow.
Islam isn't any better or worse than Christianity or whatever. It's the people that interpret to their own advantage or belief in the meanings.

Unreal, I haven't even smoked up yet today!!! Have a good one dude!! :D

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i agree with that, psycho.


but can you also agree that the same thing goes on in the states?

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Now I'm REALLY fucking scared!!! I gotta be in the Twilight zone or some shit like that!!! Nick, Ghost, Flesh.....We have agreed on shit now for the last day or so. :eek:

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Now I'm REALLY fucking scared!!! I gotta be in the Twilight zone or some shit like that!!! Nick, Ghost, Flesh.....We have agreed on shit now for the last day or so. :eek:

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i know. its weird.


but hey, i might be able to smoke tomorrow. take a toke and cross your fingers for me.

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i know. its weird.


but hey, i might be able to smoke tomorrow. take a toke and cross your fingers for me.

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You don't find anything within three weeks...estimately speaking...I may just have to send ya a care package. More U.S. aid!!

BWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

It's even Communist shit...white russian! :D

Howdy nicholas,

You state:" look at the buget...look at the casualty..look at the hoplesness the generals portray when they state theyve given up hopes of military victory... "

There are no active-duty generals who've said that there's no hope for a military victory..and there dang sure ain't any active-duty generals going around with a hopeless look on there face..any general displaying such or saying such..would be quickly replaced with a general that believes in his troops and the mission..there ain't no room at the top for whiney,spine-less generals.

It's whiney spine-less,hopeless lookin civilians..that are the problem,it ain't our military.

Have a good one ...