Hardonna update...

Is that can on a regular a cfl or just a regular light? From the pic that plant seems to be stretching compared to the others, or is that the sativa, maybe just the angle?

I'll see if I can find some more potent seeds strains. Emery is down, but there are other routes. If I'm lucky they will have that hawaiin seed just sitting around waiting for someone to ask... I'll see what I can do.

Is it strange I'm getting excited about this grow, I check back several times everyday to see how they are doing. God I would love my own grow.

The room reminds me of the "TV" portion of Willy Wanka (the orginal) so sterile, and bright... tis a good thing I suppose.

Mono.....are you a seed source?

Not yet... If I can get decent products on a regular basis I may look into small scale seed distrobution.

... 9ski9's is using bag seed, I think you can put the rest together.

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Originally Posted by mono repin

Is that can on a regular a cfl or just a regular light? From the pic that plant seems to be stretching compared to the others, or is that the sativa, maybe just the angle?
I'll see if I can find some more potent seeds strains. Emery is down, but there are other routes. If I'm lucky they will have that hawaiin seed just sitting around waiting for someone to ask... I'll see what I can do.
Is it strange I'm getting excited about this grow, I check back several times everyday to see how they are doing. God I would love my own grow.
The room reminds me of the "TV" portion of Willy Wanka (the orginal) so sterile, and bright... tis a good thing I suppose.

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Thanks, Mono...
The bottom right under the reflector is mostly sativa (I guess) that has stretched. I accidentally bought a CFL shop light that you couldn't remover the reflector from, so getting the light close makes it too hot. I was about to cut the reflector, but decided it would be a mini-experiment.
Result: CFL reflectors are bad; they defeat the greatest benefit, which is how cool they run at 1" from the plant. And I bet all the heat kills the life of the bulb.

Indica's just make you feel like your growing something substantial and, uh, meaty. Sativa's like the one at the far left are sure pretty plants. Some of the big one's I've seen people growing outdoors on this MB are amazing looking, like a Japanese Cutleaf Maple. But, to me, there's no more awesome plant than one's like Whore and Cunt.

My Hardonna is no Whore or Cunt, but she's been filling in nicely since the 2nd CFL was added.

Hmmm, I don't often type the word "cunt". I like it.

Just a quick Day 28 update...she's 11" tall today:

Nice plants! Hey HARDDON, wanna give me some pointers in my lanky thread? I'm fucking up left and right here :)

Get nervous cuz in about another 3 days, we get to start fucking with her :)


Manipulating her little cunt leaves and stuff :D

This will be fun :) :) :)

I hope you have the steady hands of a surgeon :eek: :)

Eh, more like the mangled, bent hands and fingers of an old soccer goalie...but I will give it my best shot. I have to leave my girls for another quick, two day surf trip, but they seem to like having a break from me...

Just of note, HD: my first wife divorced me for choosing surfing over being with her. On Monday, I left 6 to 10 ft. tropical storm waves to rush back to check on them. I missed them a lot...

Mahalo.

Yea I told my wipe long time ago to never issue me the ME or the WEED laydown.

I swear, I would keep the weed :)

Enjoy yourself....we'll start fucking with the lil whorebucket on Monday :)

Just a Day 31 update...the girls all survived my two-day trip just fine; they grew right up to the CFL's. Hardonna's continues to grow bushier as opposed to vertical. She 12 1/2" now; her mostly sativa sisters are 15".

Still thinking about going to flower at Day 42...

Grow room looks sweet man...really sweet.

But hey....



WTF IS HARDONNA DOING ON A FRICKING WINDOW SILL?

WHY IS HARDONNA NOT UNDER HER LIGHTS?

WHY IS HARDONNA NOT IN HER HABITAT?

I was just screwing in hooks to get ready to hang the HPS and didn't want to get sawdust and paint chips on her...

I swear it was quick...

... what happened to the trimming?

I'm not doing any topping and I guess I'll bend either when it's necessary because of height or if HD says "Why the fuck haven't you bent the bitches over?"

No we arent going to top her.... :)

We aren't going to bend her.... :)

We need to work on tucking those fan leaves.

But not yet.

Lets plant on starting 2moro when I am not so hung over still.

Ski....

I need you to take Hardonna....

Put a white dot or something....masking tape or something on her pot and take a pic and position her so that you and I are on the same page with the same leaves.

Use your little edit program and use white arrows and point to specific fan leaves and number them.

Number them like:

Row 1 Leaf A
Row 1 Leaf B
Row 1 Leaf C

So we can say tuck 1A, 1C etc.....

We can use the white dot or marking on her pot to make sure we have the same position everytime.

What we want to do is to get her exposed to some light on those secondaries. So we will need to tuck the fan leaves to one side.

I prefer to use the twistie ties with the green plastic coating.

In essence, we can pull down those fan leaves all to one side.

Just start thinking bout it and be patient.

She looks so much like WHORE did at 28 days doesnt she?

Almost brings a frickin tear to my eyes...

Hey harddon.....make a thread to me or wtf ever so you can explain your "tucking" techniques and if it will help me, K? thanks playa playa

Hmmm...maybe a not-so-pretty cousin...but she'd be honored to read that.

I kind of jumped on this now just because it's quiet around the house and had some time before her lights went out at midnight.

And just when I need it most, my camera fried from salt water on my last surf trip. I'm trying my best with an old beater that only works while being shaken and just takes b&w, although a replacement is on it's way via eBay.

In the meantime, this was the best I could do for starters.

What I don't understand is what do I tie the fan leaves to? I get the idea of what the result should be, but can't picture the method.

And, btw, I'm about 11 days from flowering. That's my current plan (7 weeks total veg), but not set in stone.

And, again, thanks for taking the time!

Jesus Christ what did I get myself into?:eek:

What we want to do is concentrate on the higher secondaries.

Since you are gonna flower soon, we dont have a lot of time.

What we want to do is move the fan leaves....just move them to expose as much of the main stem and growth to the light as possible.

You can "TUCK" the fan leaves by gently placing them on the back side of the stem. Or we can tie them down which is really what we should do.

You will want to loop the twisty tie, gently around the stem of the fan leaves....take the twisty tie and tape it (use good tape) or drill a hole in your pot rim and tie the twisty tie to that spot.

You want to pull the following fan leaves down as far as they will go without choking or cutting them or breaking them off.

They are more sturdy that you might think.

Your black and white picture makes this suck ass :)

Fan leaves 4 and 5 need to go down first.

Tie them down as far as they will go. As they lay down, be sure and tuck any loose fingers behind the secondaries you are exposing to light. Tie the fan leaves so they are on a vertical plane, parallel with the main stem.

So start with 4 and 5 and there are others behind those that need to be tied down too. I cant see their numbers but I know they are there.

So that is the section to start with.

Get them tied down and even if they have to be one on top of the other, that is fine. YOu are tying the STEM not the leaf. The leafs can touch each other with no probs.

AFTER you haved moved them and exposed all those middle secondaries, you MUST get the light CLOSE to the secondaries just as if they were newborns.

So get a foil covered booster chair for her if you have to so she can get the light.

Lets try those and then post the results.,.... in black and white;

ARGH.......

Dont worry you wont fuck her up....

You may want to run some tie or string across the bottom of the container from rim to rim getting it close to the main stem. You might have a tuff time getting them tied and tucked vertically if you have to go to the rim of the container for an anchor spot.

This tie o0r string by her stem will give you something to anchor to.

Oh, man, HD, rest your hangover...I don't mean to seem like I'm cracking a whip for info. It takes a mighty asshole not to respect another man's hangover.

But I think I understand what you're saying.

I will begin work when her sun comes up.

Thanks! Sleep!

What a lousy time for camera issues...

Anyway, this tie-down method seemed easier than I thought. I took a metal coat hanger, straightened it, then cut it in half. Then I crissed-crossed the pieces and hooked the ends at the edges of the pot. So the pot has an X across it, just above the dirt.

Then I took pipe cleaners and gently looped them around the fan leaf stems, nearest the bottom of the leaves. I then pulled them down and tied them to the metal X, pretty close to the plant stem, so they are vertical.

I went around the Fan 4/5 level, then tied down the fan leaves that are below those.

Bright green secondary leaves popped out everywhere.

I boosted Hardonna and gave her a third CFL.

It seems to make amazingly perfect sense, HD.

Question: I'm vegging either 9 or 16 more days. Any idea how many adjustments I'll need to make with these ties? And what about the very top fan leaves? Will I be tying them, too?

Thanks!!!!

Wow bro you did frickin awsum job on her.

Boy that secondary growth is beautiful now.

Keep that light close down on her.

Yes we will do the top leaves but first we need those secondaries to grow and extend beyond the fan leaves at the top.

Great great job.

How long since she has some guano tea?

She could use a little now that we have exposed some new growth to light. She will push to grow that stuff out now to the light.

Also, keep one light dedicated to her 'back' side, or the are where most of the fan leaves are....we want them still to produce solar power for the plant.

Also, once every couple of days for about 4 hours, let those fan leaves loose so they can fully breath and respirate herself. Then take them down again.

At this time, also begin to spray mist her with purified water thruout her veg.

Twice a day would be ideal.

I like the pipe cleaner idea. Never thought of that one.

Great choice.

I would definately pick the longer veg point. you will yeild more bud :)

Great work and keep the updates daily, same pose.

Whew...thanks...they had guano tea today. It was their second time. I, uh, have been misting during the mornings---every couple of days with the bottled water. The fan evaporates the mist pretty quickly.

I'll go for the extra week and make it 49 days veg. I feel a lot more confident if I have to bend for vertical space at any point.

The secondaries have grown noticeably in the six hours since tying. Unbelievable...Thanks, HD!

Well she looks primary INdica so she'll be fine.

Bend all the other little bitches :)

YEs those secondaries will now bolt out and when they reach near the top level, we can do the uppers on her as well.

How many more days does she have before flower?

BTW...I like the way she is growing so far... :)

Even without help you are doing an awesum job :)

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Well she looks primary INdica so she'll be fine.

Bend all the other little bitches :)

YEs those secondaries will now bolt out and when they reach near the top level, we can do the uppers on her as well.

How many more days does she have before flower?

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16 days to flower. I'll start tying sisters tomorrow.

Based on my first crop, growing pot is really easy; growing good pot seems to be an incredible journey of attention to details---and not the least bit easy.

I find it almost unbelievable when I go back and look at Whore and Cunt's updates. I aspire to one day have a big fat Whore of my own :)

Yes, I have always said growing good tomato plants is an art and science.

Right now you are mastering the 'art' part.

:)

Just a quick Day 34 update...Hardonna is 14" tall, growing at a steady 1/2" per day, although the majority of her energy now seems to be going into the secondary leaf growth. 15 days of vegging to go. Next grow, I'm replacing CFL ballasts that have brown cords....

Just a quick Day 35 (5 weeks!) update...

All the girls got about 2 liters of bottled water---with five drops of added Superthrive this morning---along with a good misting of the bottled water alone.

With all the green, the grow room looks kind of dark when the reflective doors are open. One pic is of Hardonna with her three CFL's in place. I tied down two more upper fan leaves today and adjusted the others. Secondary growth seems to be flourishing pretty good.

14 days of veg to go.

Yes they are looking very nice...

Time to take down the next set above it. That will expose the highest secondaries you have. Those will produce the biggest and best buds as well.

So time to get them exposed.

I notice all your other plants are taller but notice how they dont have the secondary branching going on other than stem and leaf top?

Also, your sex has now been determined so you want to check every day for pre-flowers. Your environment is ripe for them so start check every node on the main stems.

Pre-flowers can be hard to see until they grow bigger, but you will know them when you see them.

Be on the look out. :)

Yeah, thanks, HD, I'm doing a major tie-down of the others tomorrow, as well as Hardonna's highest fans.

I feel like I'm back on the maternity ward...I check for sex at least 10 times a day and keep seeing all the stipules from different angles and momentarily getting my hopes up...not one confirmed sex with the naked eye for any of 12 plants.

Of all the pre-flower examples, I think weedfarmer has the best single pic at:

http://www.weedfarmer.com/gallery/ma...annabis?full=1

I keep telling myself that it'll be good to have the extra space when some balls show.

In looking at your other plants do not expect to tie down as you did the little bitch.

Your secondary shoots on those plants have already formed and extend out beyond the fan leaves. What is it you intend to tie down?

You dont wanna tie down the secondaries that have already grown...they just need more powerful light, not more of what you already have. That time has passed :)

Perhaps you should jsut chop all the others down and give hardonna her room :) :) :)

Turn her into a 3 month veg and then flower...LOL :)

Those pics you linked are nice indeed...but I wouldnt call them preflowers at all and the ones you will see will look nothing like that....those are full blown flowers and balls.

Preflowers are much smaller, much harder to see than those.

Preflowers also dont show like that at the tips of stalks,...mostly anyhow.

Look for them RIGHT ON THE MAIN STEMS....

She;s looking good....and she's all that matters ....hehehhehehehhe :) :) :)

Cool, got it.

And I'll make sure she has lots of room. Thanks!

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Originally Posted by HARDDON

Also, your sex has now been determined so you want to check every day for pre-flowers. Your environment is ripe for them so start check every node on the main stems.Pre-flowers can be hard to see until they grow bigger, but you will know them when you see them.
Be on the look out. :)

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The day after HD wrote this, all 13 plants simultaneously developed very tiny little sex parts on the nodes near their stipules. Pretty amazing how nature does shit like that.

It is day 36 of veg.

I can't tell for sure using my 60x-100x microscope...after two hours of sitting and staring, I decided it was better to just go smoke a bowl.

I borrowed my wife's live CD of Lilith Fair. They are listening to Sarah McLachlan hopefully thinking how awesome it is being female.

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Originally Posted by 9ski9

...after two hours of sitting and staring, I decided it was better to just go smoke a bowl.

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It is always better to sit and stare for two hours ATER smoking a bowl :)

Thought i would say i have been a big fan of this grow have watch from beginning just now posting i think lol and been meaning to this is great grow keep up the good work and hope all turns out to be females for ya !! :)

Hey, thanks, cool to hear...

Now that I'm starting to understand the very basics of growing, I just can't imagine not having a grow going.

Here's a pic of my first grow before HD smacked me around :o

(Don't laugh :eek: )

hehe big improvement there buddy came along way since Hard On laid the smack down on ya lol well Hard ON sure does know his stuff i love his post and look foward to them as i do the update on your plants thanks for the daily update just wanted you to know that people out here do watch and look foward to it so its not a waste of time :)

lol....oops, said I wouldn't laugh.

Kinda looks like that little tree on Charlie Brown's Christmas.

ROFLMAO...

Thats some pic...

AND....

I bet you thought they were so beautiful at the time right?


HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHA:):):)

LOL some more....

I just saw those sticks you had to use to prop them up.

:)