One Brown Mouse

23 posts deleted.....probably 4 warnings and one ban. This thread is now clean.:D

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by HighPopalorum

re: local government
Well, for example, in my city, center operators must pay a $500 occupational license fee, as well as a one-time $875 application fee and some other minor fees to cover the cost of background checks and business permits. As a caregiver, you don't have to pay any of that stuff or operate under the oversight of town inspectors.



It does work both ways, but at least centers and their grow sites will be inspected by several different state and local agencies. Inspectors are spotty at best, but that is not an argument against inspections. As a patient, I find safety inspections, background checks, felony prohibitions and health code compliance compelling reasons to shop at a dispensary. I like that they will be required to list inorganic ingredients. You could certainly provide those assurances to your customers, by allowing them to inspect your grow and your personal background, but you are not obligated to do so as centers will be.

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I have no problem with paying taxes, allowing the inspectors to do their thing or paying business license fees. I do have a problem with the state releasing my information to the feds who still believe I'm committing a crime. I also have a problem with the state trying to limit the ammount of business I can do.
[edit] I also have a problem with state run cameras if that actually goes through. [/edit]

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Originally Posted by ottistoys

What happened to One Brown Mouse closing ?????

Kathleen good KARMA to you.:thumbsup:

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I feel for her. I think she is a wise woman for not filling out that application! So yeah +1 on the good Karma. :jointsmile:

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I do have a problem with the state releasing my information to the feds

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What makes you think that the state is giving information about centers to the feds? If police procedural novels have taught me anything, it's that the locals treat the feds like mushrooms - keep them in the dark and feed them only shit!

there are numerous incidents (montana, cali,michigan) where local law enforcement, usually a pissed off sheriff who hates the weed, has called the feds on someone growing. It's all about privacy and don't think for a minute that the kind of really personal info the state wants will remain out of the feds hands. if they want it they know who, locally, will assist them in getting it.

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Originally Posted by HighPopalorum

What makes you think that the state is giving information about centers to the feds? If police procedural novels have taught me anything, it's that the locals treat the feds like mushrooms - keep them in the dark and feed them only shit!

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They may not be now but with the new MMC apps you waive your confidentiality. What happens when the feds change their stance?

Go to youtube and look at the dea medical marijuana raids and tell me what the sheriff and local law inforcement are doing. Standing there watching.

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Originally Posted by SprngsCaregiver

They may not be now but with the new apps you waive your confidentiality. What happens when the feds change their stance?

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You get busted. That's what happens. It's a risk we all run, even patients.

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

I wish we had these issues to bitch about in Wisconsin.:rolleyes:

NOW lets get to the grit of the situation. PERSONAL ATTACKS ARE NOT ALLOWED HERE!!! IF you can't debate an issue without having to tell somebody to go fuck themselves or throw petty insults don't waste your time typing! Warnings are past out.....then a short ban...then longer and longer bans till WE say screw this shit and do it for life.

Personally, I'd just state that I didn't agree with reasons, log out and find something else to do that didn't piss me off. Hell, piss fests are deleted so why waste the time?

Have a good one!:thumbsup:

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I see, someone can personally attack me, someone who does not know me can publicly accuse me of being a commercial grower, a federal crime and and I should sit here and take it? Yeah that's fair. Slander is okay, telling the person off for slandering you in a public manner isn't okay. Falsely accusing someone you don't know of a federal crime is okay.

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Originally Posted by HighPopalorum

What makes you think that the state is giving information about centers to the feds? If police procedural novels have taught me anything, it's that the locals treat the feds like mushrooms - keep them in the dark and feed them only shit!

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Clearly you have NOT READ the application. Clearly.

One will give up ALL privacy rights under state and federal law.
One will sign over their power of attorney rights to the CO Dept of Rev.
One will be signing a confession to a federal crime, with NO protection for MMC's in the CO Constitution which includes a neat little list of all one's assets, including children--which almost doesn't matter since one's power of attorney will be in the hands of the CO dept of rev.

Lets examine one sentence on two of the release forms:

"Any information contained within my application, contained within any financial or personal record or otherwise found, obtained, or maintained by the Investigative Agencies, "(notice it's plural) " shall be accessible to law enforcement agents of this or any other state, the government of the United States, or any foreign country."

Are you kidding me? What is amazing and Un American is that about EVERY sentence of the 22 pages will make a true American sick to their stomach.

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Originally Posted by HighPopalorum

There's an interesting dynamic playing out. Commercial growers (or retailers, or MMCs or whatever word you choose) like Kathleen want the freedom to operate without state regulation, as caregivers do. Meanwhile, you and other caregivers want patient and plant counts removed so they can serve an unlimited number of patients, as MMCs do. Each group wants to enjoy the benefits of the other, but is not willing to accept the limitations. Irony.

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AGAIN you FALSELY call me a commercial grower! Where is the justice in this? When will these slander posts be deleted? Is Cannabis.com permitting slander?

And it's clear you High P do not read the newspapers or the application or your a federal agent. One of my MAJOR problems with the language in 1284 is that it requires caregivers who have storefronts to grow WAY TOO MANY PLANTS for me ( or most) to feel safe from the feds.

Targeting dispensaries

"Most dispensary owners are caregivers for dozens or even hundreds of patients, and if they were forced to grow enough marijuana to supply 70 percent of their patients, the number of plants could grow quite high. Kathleen Chippi, owner of Nederland dispensary One Brown Mouse, says she serves 1,500 patients and thinks that requirement will expose her to federal raids, which tend to target grows with more than 100 plants.

â??Theyâ??re forcing us to have enough plants to supply 1,500 patients,â?� Chippi says. â??Iâ??m frightened of the fact that Iâ??m going to be forced to grow. I personally have less than 99 plants. Iâ??m not going to go above 99 plants, because the federal government is going to come bust me. ... Theyâ??re setting us all up to be out of federal compliance.â?�

People who care. People who have pride in their medicine. People who personally know and deal directly with patients. We are ALL patients, ourselves.

But the new language KILLS that entire program, as caregivers who have 1-2 ounces to donate in our direction will now be treated like criminals.

This is good for NO ONE!

And has anyone read 1284. There is one nice neat sentence, I believe in section g (off the top of my head), that says cannabis will no longer be considered schedule 1 ( no medical use) but Schedule 2 (meds that can only be distributed at PHARMACIES)

Figure it out--There will be no approved MMC's, as the pharmacies and BIG MONEY WIN. The mom and pop loses, all their rights, their power of attorney, their assets, their kids and their freedom.

CO constitution does NOT PROTECT MMC's, only caregivers and patients. And there is no limit in the constitution for caregivers. The state has created an UNPROTECTED ENTITY and whats you to sign up for it.

President Obama's nomination of Michele Leonhart to be permanent head of the DEA is a trial balloon - a test of strength and resolve.

The nomination of a ruthless prohibitionist is a test of whether he takes himself seriously when he says that the federal government is going to stop wasting time, money and people on medical marijuana raids in states where it is legal. It is, more significantly, a test of whether he takes the drug reform movement seriously.

And the only way he will take us seriously is if we write now --http://org2.democracyinaction.org/o/5663/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=3771--telling President Obama to replace Acting Administrator Michele Leonhart with someone who respects the rights of the ill and vulnerable.

If you have received appeals from our allies in drug policy reform, please send those along as well as ours.

Every email they receive counts.

Obama's pandering to the prohibitionists is a trial balloon.

We need to shoot it full of lead.

Thank you,

Neill Franklin
Executive Director
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

I'm tired of cleaning up bullshit in the same thread day after day. This one is closed and a warning to all; personal attacks are NOT allowed on this site and also, if you call somebody a Fed in here you BETTER have the facts to post!:mad:

Ya know, Colorado "should" be one of the easiest forums in here to moderate and it's actually one of the hardest falling behind Politics. Seems there is allot of the good ol' "divide and conquer" going on with the state laws and how they effect dispensary's as compared to care-givers. Ya think maybe they set it up like that for a reason? Crooked politicians work in devious ways.

Just try to keep it civil and remember, this is about the person that needs m.j. just to get by on a daily basis. :twocents:

Have a good one!:thumbsup: