What to do after the passing of HB 1284 this morning?

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Originally Posted by TurboALLWD

Justabloke- Patients have the right to grow anyways, theres TONS of patient grows that are half assed and probably plenty with electrical hazards. Point is I don't see anywhere on the news stories about mmj fires. I have temperature alarms and monitor my grow closely. I take it really seriously, I couldn't do it all myself though. I have a monitor with me in the house where I can see the enviroment settings at all times. Not to mention I had an electrician do the little wiring needed and I have two fire extinguishers on hand. I never leave my grow unattended. The novices out there that have fire hazards in their house wont be able to compete with real caregivers, producing real quality meds. The fire hazards won't stay up and running long enough to even create a fire. I don't see it being nearly as big of a concern as you do.

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Hey :)

Thanks for the reply. So far as it relates to the passage of this bill...I do see a problem and I see serious problems because closing down 50%-80% of this stateâ??s disps is wrong. I think they have the money to support *real* *quality* meds in a safe and secure tightly regulated atmosphere where precautions can be taken properly and not setting up a grow in an attic of a 120 year old house. Which you have to admit does happen.

As I rant onâ?¦think Mendocino County, California who didn't stop to worry about fire.

I think if we take this away from the disps we as a community are losing major ground in our fight for federal MMJ legalization. The world is watching Colorado just as much as California. We can't lose ground now...we've come too far!

We're talking upwards of 20k individual grows. Many who will become caregivers won't know how to produce quality meds under tightly controlled circumstances with proper precautions in place. If you grow in a warehouse and build appropriately, then yes, that is far better than having hundreds of grows in every neighborhood throughout Colorado. As I said before...people make mistakes and people won't know what they are doing.

If they force this out of the hands of the disps we're going to have real problems and our community will lose the desperately needed funding that our dispensaries SHOULD provide to fight this legislative hurdles they make us overcome on the village, town, city, country, state and federal levels trying to consistently and systematically disassemble MMJ here in Colorado! Each and every dispensary should contribute a percentage if their income to the very community that has supported them WELL into the black operationally speaking. Losing any legal dispensary would be like the community losing a left leg!

That said, IF you know what you are doing and are willing to put out the money for your infrastructure as you have and can do it safely, then, by all means, do! But, the law of averages reigns supreme here.

I'm not saying to take growing away from patients/caregivers I'm just saying make sure they know what they are doing and will provide as safe/secure/regulated atmosphere as possible. Otherwise, leave it to those who know what they are doing have done it for large parts of their lives while evading the very people we are discussing tonight.

J

I know this has probably been touched on but it's so complicated now that I've totally forgotten.

Will a small caregiver (2-4 patients) have to do anything above and beyond what they are doing now? Will they have to submit to any more invasions of privacy? Identify where their grow location is? Any of that bullshit?

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Originally Posted by vegetabongrips

I don't understand why they removed the taxes, unless it's a hope that now it will fail. I mean, I understand the whole "yay patient doesn't need to pay taxes now" but it seems like a HUGE selling point to the general public that this will generate taxes. It still will, but removing those sales taxes takes a significant chunk out of the cash flow in that direction.

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This is just a guess but I think it's because Cancer and HIV/AIDS/ARC are the only two maladies Romer sees fit to treat with MMJ.

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Originally Posted by lampost

I know this has probably been touched on but it's so complicated now that I've totally forgotten.

Will a small caregiver (2-4 patients) have to do anything above and beyond what they are doing now? Will they have to submit to any more invasions of privacy? Identify where their grow location is? Any of that bullshit?

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Yes, I've heard that the small caregiver will have to pay a registration fee as well as other stipulations. What those are...I dunno.

One of you guys with computer skills needs to create an underground message board site for clone-trading, seed-trading, etc.! I have some ideas and could help. Obviously a board like this would probably need to be referral-only probably starting small and building up a good network!!

Anyone else think this is possibly a good idea? I know we have places like ICMag and stuff now where people meet and share genetics, but maybe something a little more focused and regional-based. Strictly for patients, no black market shite going on!

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Originally Posted by Justabloke

exactly pretty much what i just said you believe only the big boys should be able to grow.so anyone that does'nt have big money to own a shop it's danger to them as far as fires.i have been growing for awhile in small areas never once 1 fire scare. the point of keeping it all to the shops man i have to say i have been to many shops and alot don't even know what the fuck they are doing let alone run a grow.so that dog don't hunt sorry. do you really know how many people grow in their homes that are'nt legal? come on you have to be smarter than that. besides the fact that the state allows mmj patients to grow their own already.

yes i know leo will try to use anything to say see we need this or that.thats all a crock to take our rights away.we should'nt bow down just because of that.they will use anything,we could even go your route and take the rights away of the people and still they would find something else.and thats exactly what you seem to be saying since they will say this we need to take our rights and throw them out the window.what about people with fireplaces?,machine shops in their garage? metal workers? blacksmiths?

their are plenty of things you can buy to protect yourselfs.you see the new lil red fire tank you can hang in your room so if it gets above a certain degree it comes on and sprays everthing down?

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Yes, there are precautions that should be taken but a caregiver just getting in to it with $200 or $300 to spend won't be able to get anywhere what he/she NEEDS to properly do and add bad growing space to it it's a recipie for disaster.

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Originally Posted by lampost

One of you guys with computer skills needs to create an underground message board site for clone-trading, seed-trading, etc.! I have some ideas and could help. Obviously a board like this would probably need to be referral-only probably starting small and building up a good network!!

Anyone else think this is possibly a good idea? I know we have places like ICMag and stuff now where people meet and share genetics, but maybe something a little more focused and regional-based. Strictly for patients, no black market shite going on!

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been thinking about this for awhile now.the hard part would be keeping leo out.

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Originally Posted by Denvertoad

We as a constituency, young and old, need to quit with the Cheech and Chong bullshit and approach MMJ with a serious attitude.

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Wow! Never have truer words been spoken!!! Spot on! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by wb1996

We the patients need to stick together

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Thank you WB! That is exactly my point. While I don't support any more of an underground movement (black market) we must, we must, we MUST stick together or we will lose everything we have worked so hard for. :thumbsup::cool:

Jesus, as I finished the 12th part of that mess, after having literally cheered out loud after Senator Carroll laid the Kant Categorical Imperative smackdown on these morons, I see that there's now 17 parts and I would have 5 more to go to finish it. I don't think I can handle another 50 minutes of Senator Spence (might be my new Queen Idiot, taking Romer's spot) claiming to be "the Senator who opposes organized crime"......

I'll post the 2340 word notes document I wrote along with a quicker summary tomorrow. For now, I'm gonna go burn myself in effigy.

Ha, not really, but I am gonna go smoke some Black Domina and pass the hell out.

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Originally Posted by MMJinColorado

Jesus, as I finished the 12th part of that mess, after having literally cheered out loud after Senator Carroll laid the Kant Categorical Imperative smackdown on these morons, I see that there's now 17 parts and I would have 5 more to go to finish it. I don't think I can handle another 50 minutes of Senator Spence (might be my new Queen Idiot, taking Romer's spot) claiming to be "the Senator who opposes organized crime"......

I'll post the 2340 word notes document I wrote along with a quicker summary tomorrow. For now, I'm gonna go burn myself in effigy.

Ha, not really, but I am gonna go smoke some Black Domina and pass the hell out.

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Did you DVR it or find it online? I look forward to your opinions!

Sleep well

I was watching it here: YouTube - COMarijuana's Channel

I saw most of the later parts earlier in the day, but didn't take notes, so I'll probably give them a quick listen tomorrow. My notes are full of sarcastic comments, mostly aimed at Romer and Spence, who were in fine form early in the hearing. I'll clean it up a bit for the post, but I'll have a basic guide with info about who proposed and/or argued for what so people can figure out who they want to support when it's election season. I was interested to see Republicans speaking on behalf of some of Senator Carroll's amendments based on the Constitutional and legal precedent-based arguments she was making... MMJ makes strange bedfellows I guess.

As an aside, it's hilarious to hear all the mumbling that occurs after certain comments... I was listening on headphones so I picked up all of it. Every time Senator Spence dropped her "I don't support organized crime" line, the crowd audibly tittered as if it were her catchphrase.

It was also funny (not "ha ha") to hear Romer constantly refer to some unnamed news reporter who apparently was able to buy marijuana at 5 of 7 dispensaries without showing any kind of paperwork, then referring to them as "knuckleheads" about 30 different times. I called bullshit on that in the first place, but did anyone else hear about this? I figure it was some typical embellished local news scare story that I missed (since I don't watch that gahbage) if it even exists at all.

Seems like bullshit to me, it just doesn't pass the smell test -- unless I've been into a dispensary multiple times, they at least ask for an ID and then check my paperwork on file and/or have me sign a "ckeck in" type of form. Never have I been able to buy anything (or even look at meds or enter the area since Denver passed their regulations) without showing my doc's recommendation and state application as well as an ID.

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Originally Posted by Justabloke

Wow! Never have truer words been spoken!!! Spot on! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

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Perfect! And where's a link to that facebook page?

Guys, we don't need to act like this is the end of the road. that's what they WANT. Keep an eye on the other thread. There are SO many of you who could make a difference. And if we ALL pull together, well you know how synergy works...

1+1= 2.5

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Originally Posted by MMJinColorado

I was watching it here: YouTube - COMarijuana's Channel

I saw most of the later parts earlier in the day, but didn't take notes, so I'll probably give them a quick listen tomorrow. My notes are full of sarcastic comments, mostly aimed at Romer and Spence, who were in fine form early in the hearing. I'll clean it up a bit for the post, but I'll have a basic guide with info about who proposed and/or argued for what so people can figure out who they want to support when it's election season. I was interested to see Republicans speaking on behalf of some of Senator Carroll's amendments based on the Constitutional and legal precedent-based arguments she was making... MMJ makes strange bedfellows I guess.

As an aside, it's hilarious to hear all the mumbling that occurs after certain comments... I was listening on headphones so I picked up all of it. Every time Senator Spence dropped her "I don't support organized crime" line, the crowd audibly tittered as if it were her catchphrase.

It was also funny (not "ha ha") to hear Romer constantly refer to some unnamed news reporter who apparently was able to buy marijuana at 5 of 7 dispensaries without showing any kind of paperwork, then referring to them as "knuckleheads" about 30 different times. I called bullshit on that in the first place, but did anyone else hear about this? I figure it was some typical embellished local news scare story that I missed (since I don't watch that gahbage) if it even exists at all.

Seems like bullshit to me, it just doesn't pass the smell test -- unless I've been into a dispensary multiple times, they at least ask for an ID and then check my paperwork on file and/or have me sign a "ckeck in" type of form. Never have I been able to buy anything (or even look at meds or enter the area since Denver passed their regulations) without showing my doc's recommendation and state application as well as an ID.

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Ahh ok...hence the "parts." If there is anything I know and appreciate it is sarcasm! ;)

OMG If I hear either the organized crime banter or gateway drug crap one more time imma gonna scream! Aaaaaarrrrrggggghhhhhhhhhhh! :mad:

This is the first I'm hearing of this reporter. I, like you, don't pay attention the "news" anymore cause it's all crap. Beyond that, I'm boycotting Westword and their advertisers because of crap just like this. I told everyone they were going to sell us out and I think they have.

Yes, marginalization is a very effective tactic which is why our modern day law enforcement/government use it so frequently. Hey we're just "very low income, pot heads who aren't likely to vote anyway" Or are we?!

Yes, any disp that wishes to stay in business for any amount of time MUST check paperwork/ID. Sadly, there are people who are in it just and only for the money. It is they whom we need to remove from operation and keep the ones who know what they're doing and do it for the medicine/science of it and if they turn a profit in doing so who cares. Pfizer bilks billions in profit every year from us while selling us drugs. Lets choose to be educated consumers/patients and use meds that are FAR less addictive than the likes of, in my case, Dilaudid during the worst times. I do think that Romer's claim is more smoke than fire. The government has had a long history of giving the people mis/disinformation to inflict their will on and I don't think this is much different. The "say anything; do anything" attitude is vividly clear.

As I have said many times and Iâ??ll say many more timesâ?¦this is wrong and people will die because of this bill!

It just amazes me the amount of "lazy pot heads" we get out at meetings of the government. If we didn't have such a close-knit community and great leadership; we wouldn't be anywhere near where we are now! Together we stand and devided we fall.

Right, well I've been ranting all day between the gov't and the msg boards so I think it's time for me to go pass out too.

:thumbsup: Keep up the fight!

Never give up, never surrender,
Mike

I am all in favor of using technology. I just created my own facebook page regarding the 5/15 march and have sent invitations to all that might have interest.

I also know I am not the only female among us so I would also like to recommend the Womens Marijuana Movement. I got the link from SAFER and Jessica Corry is the founder. The more people we include the better off we are.

Women's Marijuana Movement

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Originally Posted by Justabloke

Wow! Never have truer words been spoken!!! Spot on! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

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The Spicoli stereotype certainly hasn't helped our cause.
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Originally Posted by throatstick

been thinking about this for awhile now.the hard part would be keeping leo out.

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Referral-only is the key. URL wouldn't even be known until invited. It would grow very slowly via word of mouth amongst trusted people... kinda like in the old days but over the web. Plus now you could get a solid base before some people start slipping back underground.

Lastly, it's not like hard drugs or anything. It's herb in a medical state. So even if the worst were to happen I think you'd have a pretty viable defense! I envision it as mainly a place to trade clones/seeds, unite caregivers w patients, and possibly even trade/buy/sell meds.

Also, I heard someone mention above that they were talking about marijuana as a "gateway drug" today. They are the ones that make it a gateway drug. They put marijuana in the same category as cocaine and heroin. They teach the children that all drugs are "bad" with no differentiation... marijuana will ruin your lives and so will coke and smack. But then the kids smoke it and see that it's harmless and now they realize that they were taught lies about drugs. Now they're more likely to try hard shit not realizing the true dangers because they've been lied to. These fuckin' drug warriors don't realize that their own lies aren't serving them..

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Originally Posted by FarmerSteve

Perfect! And where's a link to that facebook page?

Guys, we don't need to act like this is the end of the road. that's what they WANT. Keep an eye on the other thread. There are SO many of you who could make a difference. And if we ALL pull together, well you know how synergy works...

1+1= 2.5

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Morning Steve

Which facebook page would that be?

No, this is not the end of MMJ in Colorado. We are way too organized and very well represented by lawyers. 1284 is highly unconstitutional and Carroll and orthers readily and repeatedly acknowleged the fact there will be litigation if this passes.

I have to make a small tweek to part of your post if I may...

That is, there are SO many of US who could make a difference. Its odd how one person can do so little but yet have such a big impact.

-Just

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Originally Posted by puntacometa

The Spicoli stereotype certainly hasn't helped our cause.
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Morning cometa,

I don't understand your refference or point.

-j

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Originally Posted by throatstick

so what you are saying then is you are not in favor of caregivers? only dispensaries? QUOTE]

NO! I'm not saying that. I'm saying I'm worried about the amount of people who will get into it whether or not they "should." The allure of money is pretty strong in this economy.

Accidents happen. People who arn't trained in setting up a proper MMJ grow WILL cause fires and loss of life. It's going to happen.

Give this to the people who know what they're doing and have the money to do it properly. Let them set up industrial grows where everything around the grow can be tightly controlled like fire suppression, security, ect. Attic grows will ONLY lead to a drastic increase in structure fires throughout Colorado just like in Mendocino County California. Then, they'd come back and say "see? We told you we needed to more tightly regulate this...look at all the fires!"

The fact that 100k people will need a caregiver will lead to a 20k person caregiver force growing meds in, on, and around their home...it will lead to fires.

That is my only point.

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You may be right but turkey deep fryers and Christmas trees cause more home fires than growers. There are always mishaps with everything, including the dumb ass who smokes while filling his lawn mower with gas but that is no reason for the politicians to tell me I can no longer grow my or any one else meds, that thinking is absolute unfair, a better reg would be something like this "Should a structure fire be deemed caused by in proper grow set up then the one setting it up should be responsible and liable," do not punish the exp. ones that can not afford large warehouse ops, hell if I got paid for all the meds I give away I would be able to set up the 50,000 warehouse grow. but I choose kindness and helping those who can not help themselves with herb over the top dollar heartless, greedy mentality. I guess what I am saying is do not punish the mass for what one or two idiots might cause. PEACE

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Originally Posted by Justabloke

You may be right but turkey deep fryers and Christmas trees cause more home fires than growers. There are always mishaps with everything, including the dumb ass who smokes while filling his lawn mower with gas but that is no reason for the politicians to tell me I can no longer grow my or any one else meds, that thinking is absolute unfair, a better reg would be something like this "Should a structure fire be deemed caused by in proper grow set up then the one setting it up should be responsible and liable," do not punish the exp. ones that can not afford large warehouse ops, hell if I got paid for all the meds I give away I would be able to set up the 50,000 warehouse grow. but I choose kindness and helping those who can not help themselves with herb over the top dollar heartless, greedy mentality. I guess what I am saying is do not punish the mass for what one or two idiots might cause. PEACE

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I'm not about limiting anyone. In fact, I'm all about freedom for all. Hence my work in our community.

I'm not saying nor will I say to take growing out of the hands of caregivers. What I am saying is that with the amount of people this will force to grow fires will happen. To that extent, I don't think it is a wise idea to pass this bill. The potential risk of a drastic increase of structure fires thoughout Colorado's neighborhoods is one (of many) GOOD reason not to pass this bill and I think we can make real headway with this argument against the bill.

Again, let me say I'm NOT trying to keep caregivers from growing. I'm trying to keep this bill from passing and this is one very good reason this bill should not pass. That is what I'm saying.

So, if you're a small caregiver of 5 or less I'm not trying to limit you! The only thing I wanna see burn is a big ol fat bowl. :thumbsup::D

j

Guys, having SEVERAL close friends in law enforcement, including DCI and DEA undercover positions (And for the record, I would NEVER, EVER talk shit on the internet or in real life about this, or any other thing really, but you gotta hear me) and unless we're breaking some serious laws, the odds of being popped for anything is slim to none. They may know about you, but unless you are A. Breaking some other laws that they cannot get you on or B. Are a community menace and NEED to be locked up or C. You ARE a power player, then there is almost NO chance to get clipped. My dad did 3 LONG bids in Wyoming, all for petty ass MJ charges, BUT he was the town bad boy, and they made it stick, you know. So I know a LOT (compared to the layman) about how and why "they"do what they do.

Besides, when we become organized and funded, IF a person were to get arrested for something legit, it would make the NEWS, we'll pay to boost you out (Unless you pull some SERIOUS shit, in which case you've dishonored the cause and SHOULD be in jail) and then we'll turn it into a media circus. Trust me on this one. Knowing how to create a sensation is KEY. If somebody were to honestly get popped, at LEAST myself (an hopefully others would join) will find an open public place, and I will water fast (Not just to gain attention, because with the right heart there is an UNREAL amount of Spiritual power released when you reject earthly food for "Heavenly Justice") until it reaches the people. I have a friend who is the news director at one of the 3 major networks, and I've been in contact with the appropriate reporters from The Denver Post and have had contact with national reporters in the past, including one whom I recently got back into touch with from Rolling Stone. Trust me, when people expose themselves and don't have anything but water for a couple of weeks to bring attention to a righteous cause, it's pretty cool.

You all need to listen to "Something's Happening Here" a few times. :thumbsup:

And where is that FaceBook link??

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Originally Posted by Klonzinc

I'm not about limiting anyone. In fact, I'm all about freedom for all. Hence my work in our community.

I'm not saying nor will I say to take growing out of the hands of caregivers. What I am saying is that with the amount of people this will force to grow fires will happen. To that extent, I don't think it is a wise idea to pass this bill. The potential risk of a drastic increase of structure fires thoughout Colorado's neighborhoods is one (of many) GOOD reason not to pass this bill and I think we can make real headway with this argument against the bill.

Again, let me say I'm NOT trying to keep caregivers from growing. I'm trying to keep this bill from passing and this is one very good reason this bill should not pass. That is what I'm saying.

So, if you're a small caregiver of 5 or less I'm not trying to limit you! The only thing I wanna see burn is a big ol fat bowl. :thumbsup::D

j

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So where are all these fires now? My guess is there are over 10,000 people growing in their house now and yet I have not heard of one fire from a grow other than some assclowns trying to make hash with butane. If you listen to the media and the DEA though one would think we're making nuclear weapons. I read one DEA agent telling the media that growers use oxygen tanks to grow bigger plants and they could explode an entire neighborhood, and of course the reporter prints it without checking facts.

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Is the afforementioned facebook event link.

Share it with everyone you know and ask that they do the same.

I just signed up! My slave name is Chad. ;)

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Originally Posted by FarmerSteve

I just signed up! My slave name is Chad. ;)

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I'm a little freaked out about accepting the invitation on Facebook. I'm not comfortable about giving out my real name at this point! :(

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Originally Posted by COzigzag

I'm a little freaked out about accepting the invitation on Facebook. I'm not comfortable about giving out my real name at this point! :(

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Understandable. At least share the page with friends!

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Originally Posted by Justabloke

So where are all these fires now? My guess is there are over 10,000 people growing in their house now and yet I have not heard of one fire from a grow other than some assclowns trying to make hash with butane. If you listen to the media and the DEA though one would think we're making nuclear weapons. I read one DEA agent telling the media that growers use oxygen tanks to grow bigger plants and they could explode an entire neighborhood, and of course the reporter prints it without checking facts.

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We need GOOD reasons to defeat this bill. This is a good and plausible reason with real potential of causing fires. We need ALL the good reasons and not those that have already been beat to death. We need fresh arguments and the potential risk of fire is one of them.

So if we want to lose this one and lose BIG then lets just keep telling them we need our meds (which they already know and don't really care) as our primary argument and watch them whip this bill right on though. TBH, we should not be here debating this point we should be on the phone to all the house members with fresh new arguments of why not to pass this bill. Which we all know will nearly kill MMJ as we now know it in Colorado if enacted and left uncontested. As I said before though, even after this passes (and it will) we still have a gaggle of lawyers who are just itching to file the paperwork for the impending lawsuit when this passes. But, we should do everything we can BEFORE that point so we don't end up waisting MORE money on bad bills that range well into the thousands and thousands of dollars to pay the legislature to come up with stupid bills like Romer's 109 or 1284. When the suit is filed, then money has to be spent on lawyers, court costs, research, submissions/petitions/briefs to the court, evidence gathering/submission, in court time, blah, blah, blah. This ALL costs money and who ends up paying in the end? You, me, and the rest of the tax payers here in the great state of Colorado! We've waisted enough money we don't have on this insipid bill; letâ??s not waist any more money if we can at all avoid it.

So please see my argument for what it is and not for what itâ??s not. It is a GOOD reason NOT to pass this bill, no more; no less. I'm not trying to limit people. In fact, it's been a driving force in my life to fight for "freedom" for all.

This wasnâ??t the debate I expected to have over my post. I thought others would find wording offensive.

Peace, Love, and Hairspray,
j

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Originally Posted by Justabloke

So where are all these fires now? My guess is there are over 10,000 people growing in their house now and yet I have not heard of one fire from a grow other than some assclowns trying to make hash with butane. If you listen to the media and the DEA though one would think we're making nuclear weapons. I read one DEA agent telling the media that growers use oxygen tanks to grow bigger plants and they could explode an entire neighborhood, and of course the reporter prints it without checking facts.

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I did not say this you got the quotes wrong, this was me quoting the op then answering him.

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Originally Posted by Zedleppelin

We need GOOD reasons to defeat this bill. This is a good and plausible reason with real potential of causing fires. We need ALL the good reasons and not those that have already been beat to death. We need fresh arguments and the potential risk of fire is one of them.

So if we want to lose this one and lose BIG then lets just keep telling them we need our meds (which they already know and don't really care) as our primary argument and watch them whip this bill right on though. TBH, we should not be here debating this point we should be on the phone to all the house members with fresh new arguments of why not to pass this bill. Which we all know will nearly kill MMJ as we now know it in Colorado if enacted and left uncontested. As I said before though, even after this passes (and it will) we still have a gaggle of lawyers who are just itching to file the paperwork for the impending lawsuit when this passes. But, we should do everything we can BEFORE that point so we don't end up waisting MORE money on bad bills that range well into the thousands and thousands of dollars to pay the legislature to come up with stupid bills like Romer's 109 or 1284. When the suit is filed, then money has to be spent on lawyers, court costs, research, submissions/petitions/briefs to the court, evidence gathering/submission, in court time, blah, blah, blah. This ALL costs money and who ends up paying in the end? You, me, and the rest of the tax payers here in the great state of Colorado! We've waisted enough money we don't have on this insipid bill; letâ??s not waist any more money if we can at all avoid it.

So please see my argument for what it is and not for what itâ??s not. It is a GOOD reason NOT to pass this bill, no more; no less. I'm not trying to limit people. In fact, it's been a driving force in my life to fight for "freedom" for all.

This wasnâ??t the debate I expected to have over my post. I thought others would find wording offensive.

Peace, Love, and Hairspray,
j

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My bad, I thought you were trying to argue against home growers, sorry.

You are correct we need fresh points to make, I dont know how 'fresh' it is because I've been saying it since day one but I dont hear anyone bringing it up. But what makes Romer think the DEA is just going to sit back and do nothing with these thousand plant grows? I heard him say yesterday that dispensaries will be able to grow without fear of prosecution, he cant possibly know what the DEA is going to do. Just last week they raided a warehouse grow in Denver. A couple of busts on these guys will effectively kill MMJ in Colorado since there will only be a few left after this bill becomes law.

Wow I just got some REALLY good news unrelated to this...

I just called Dianna over at NatuRx and found she has a blend of the two strains that work best for me...Northern Lights X White Widow!! I need to get out to Wheat Ridge Today. I've never seen quality meds like that for $43 an 1/8!

Prices are comming down and thanks to Dianna and people like her that are helping drive down prices. Thank you NatuRx!


j

[quote=Justabloke]

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Originally Posted by Zedleppelin

We need GOOD reasons to defeat this bill. This is a good and plausible reason with real potential of causing fires. We need ALL the good reasons and not those that have already been beat to death. We need fresh arguments and the potential risk of fire is one of them.

So if we want to lose this one and lose BIG then lets just keep telling them we need our meds (which they already know and don't really care) as our primary argument and watch them whip this bill right on though. TBH, we should not be here debating this point we should be on the phone to all the house members with fresh new arguments of why not to pass this bill. Which we all know will nearly kill MMJ as we now know it in Colorado if enacted and left uncontested. As I said before though, even after this passes (and it will) we still have a gaggle of lawyers who are just itching to file the paperwork for the impending lawsuit when this passes. But, we should do everything we can BEFORE that point so we don't end up waisting MORE money on bad bills that range well into the thousands and thousands of dollars to pay the legislature to come up with stupid bills like Romer's 109 or 1284. When the suit is filed, then money has to be spent on lawyers, court costs, research, submissions/petitions/briefs to the court, evidence gathering/submission, in court time, blah, blah, blah. This ALL costs money and who ends up paying in the end? You, me, and the rest of the tax payers here in the great state of Colorado! We've waisted enough money we don't have on this insipid bill; letâ??s not waist any more money if we can at all avoid it.

So please see my argument for what it is and not for what itâ??s not. It is a GOOD reason NOT to pass this bill, no more; no less. I'm not trying to limit people. In fact, it's been a driving force in my life to fight for "freedom" for all.

This wasnâ??t the debate I expected to have over my post. I thought others would find wording offensive.

Peace, Love, and Hairspray,
j

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i understand what you are trying to do but it's really not the way to go.where it passes or not people that grow will not change.as it sits right now people can grow in their homes all they want.if it passes there will still be shops just not as many.instead of people buying from the shops they will turn to the people that supply the shops now the caregiver.all in all it will be cutting out the middle man for alot of people.but with adding you can't have over 5 patients in this will drive up price.now you will be able to go past that but you will pretty much have to be a partner with a shop.either way it won't change the amount of people that are or are not growing very much.but by bring that subject up it would inturn back "fire" on you and give them the idea that growing on your own is bad cause you will burn your house down.even tho it's so far from the truth.

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Originally Posted by Justabloke

Wow I just got some REALLY good news unrelated to this...

I just called Dianna over at NatuRx and found she has a blend of the two strains that work best for me...Northern Lights X White Widow!! I need to get out to Wheat Ridge Today. I've never seen quality meds like that for $43 an 1/8!

Prices are comming down and thanks to Dianna and people like her that are helping drive down prices. Thank you NatuRx!


j

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stock up while ya can lmao.

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Originally Posted by throatstick

stock up while ya can lmao.

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Ha! Wish I could! But she has LOTS of it so I think I should be ok for a while. Well til I run out of money that is.

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j