I think I may talk about this on my show.
Sounds like a model plan for the rest of the states.
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I think I may talk about this on my show.
Sounds like a model plan for the rest of the states.
and then everyone will be happy and sit around and hold hands and sing "Kume bay ya" and peace and harmony will rule Mother Gaia during the Age of Aquarius.
Yes, it IS a wonderful dream.
Now, lets get back to the real world.
The government is not a teet from which all goodness flows. Government is a necessary evil at best - and pure evil at it's worst. Government needs to get the hell out of my bedroom, out of my garden, out of my personal finances.
The gov't is not THEM. And we are US. We are all the same. In the United States, The People IS the government. We are one. The problem is that We The People have given up that right. The guy in the White House right now is a Muslim Socialist; which is exactly the opposite of the Christian Capitalists that have been in that job since the beginning of our country over 200 years ago. He was elected by a majority of the sheeple out there to micromanage our lives. We asked for that - now we got it. Get it?
We deserve what we get. We asked for the gov't to take over our lives. We flat GAVE AWAY our freedoms and rights. Traded them for the gov't teet.
And THAT is why this new California Marijuana law will get voted in. The sheeple just keep on giving more and more power to the gov't in hopes that the gov't will "be forced to put out a good product eventually because people won't go buying shwag joints from a shop." The price is YOUR FREEDOM. Fair enough? The gov't should not be in the 'business' of putting out ANY PRODUCT. The gov'ts job is to protect our borders, patrol the open seas keeping trade lines open, keep interstate highways open, etc. The govt's job is not to grow your damn weed for you so the price and quality is what you expect, comrade. Jeeze. Here's a radical idea for ya: Get offa yer ass and grow your own. You know - WORK.
Hell, I want the gov't to supply a bottle of Gentleman Jack every week. They should be FORCED to make whiskey - that shwag booze that I'm forced to buy should be outlawed. I want the good stuff, and I want the gov't to make it and give it to me. Free.
God help us but we deserve what is happening, and what is going to happen to us.
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Originally Posted by OhNoYaDont
i'm still waiting for the magical unicorns that were susposed to show up if Obama won. I mean, I voted for McCain, but Obama won. where's my damn unicorn, damn it.
prohibition is the ultimate gov't take over of our personal rights. anyone who defends prohibition is being disingenious at best.
my prediction. IF this prop wins, the really really smart Californian's will take advantage of their new right to grow without being on "a list". the rest of the 99.99% of Californians will not and, thus, would see no effect at all in their normal shopping habits. :twocents:
what are you on about? since when does the government produce anything? (outside of budget and trade deficits?)Quote:
Originally Posted by LucidDreamer85
Voting for 19 is voting for civil liberty. I hate feeling like I have to hide the fact i have a MMJ card...Illegal growers be damned. They don't pay taxes like their hard working customers, fuck em!
(I'll just grow my own anyways)
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I'm guessing you cast a pity vote because you felt sorry for McCain's junkie wife!Quote:
Originally Posted by boaz
OhNoYaDont
Dude Thats What Ive Been Saying All Along .:rasta::rasta::rasta:
Im sorry but Humboldt Co. can suck a d, thats like a city that illegally grew tomatoes and doesnt want anyone else to have tomatoes and they try and make them legal and they throw a big fit lol free the weed! :hippy::hippy:
Go back to Jamaca man. THIS country was founded on freedom from government. (Alcohol, guns, big V8 engines, bigger American hooters).Quote:
Originally Posted by Iceberg420
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Quit smoking that chit for a day and learn to think.
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Originally Posted by energyefficient
I know prop 19 shines through like a gift from god, but please start doing some research into what complications it could create down the road. GMO Cannabis plants are right around the corner from hitting the commercial market. Prop 19 is a gateway for this to happen. I would not trust such a proposition from the government, when the top advocates for prop 19 are petroleum companies and even worse, MONSANTO. Here is a link that I found very recently for this theory. If prop 19 passes, it could create a seed and cannabis genome monopoly that would prosecute any medicinal grower not using the approved GMO seeds from Monsanto. Cannabis could end up like corn or soybeans in America. VOTE NO on 19!!! I would rather see the industry be kept underground than in the hands of corrupt politicians.
Here is the link:
PROPOSITION 19, MONSANTO, AND GMO TERMINATOR CANNABIS | community.kpfz.org
^ no offense, but I'm not really buying the NWO arguement for voting no, either. Sorro's has helped germinate more than a few med States. do you really think its all a vast conspiracy. even if it is, and it could be, do you really think voting yes or no on Prop 19 would alter the master plan. my guess is they have contingency plans for both paths.
vote yes but keep an eye on them. :stoned:
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Originally Posted by boaz
No offense taken at all. Everyone thinks differently about the topic, but since you asked, I do think that this is a huge conspiracy, its just what the government does. I'm not questioning your intelligence, but if you have ever done some hard research on Monsanto and the Agricultural division of the United States, you will find that this sector has extreme levels of power. Monsanto has ruined the lives of farmers in America, India and Canada with GMO seeds. This just isn't about med states anymore, this is about the integrity of the cannabis plant that we know today. Who cares who is a med state or not; the Federal government obiviously doesn't care either because there are still busts on caregivers throughout these med states.
In the end, I still think that Monsanto will change the face of Cannabis as we know it whether Prop 19 is voted yes or no, but voting no will at least give us and the Cannabis plant time to prepare. The recreational smoker will be gone with the wind in fear of the prosecution of growing seeds that did not come from Monsanto. The genomes have been mapped, the genes that produce THC have been found, plants have been produced to never clone, plants with no THC are being produced as we speak. This stuff is very real, whether you want to believe it or not. If I lived in California, I would definately vote no on the matter just to try and give the industry more time to collect seeds and be ready to go under ground again. Cannabis will never be legal in the US, California seems like a pawn in pushing a new agenda. Believe me or not, in the it is up to all you who can vote. I'll just be here collecting all the landrace and pure stains I can get ahold of, the future will need them.
I think I'd much rather spend my time "preparing" for monsanto et al by sitting cross leg in my living room smokin a doober rather than sittin in some jail cell tokin on some guy's joint; if ya get what I'm sayin.Quote:
Originally Posted by jetta17
Yes on 19.
You're just playing into the hands of the prohibitionists. They don't care why you vote no, just that you do vote no.
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And there you have it.
People who THINK, versus people who "toke on a doober".
Stoners can't grow. Stoners can't work. Stoners can't think. They want "the gummermit to put down those owful profit seekers so I can git my smoke cheap - and the good stuff too! Oh yea, and sum food stamps so I can get ma munchies ... "
It wasn't that long ago that there were more of us than of them. We are now outnumbered.
I shouldn't care. Hell, I'm almost 60 so it'll be ok for the rest of MY life. But, I feel bad for America. It used to be such a great place. The Socialists have taken over. We lost. It took 200 plus years - but, it's over.
thank you, jetta. you may be right, you do make a good case. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by jetta17
now ... that said, think I'll just toke on another doober and ponder it a bit. :rastasmoke: :D
i have constingency plans for either way, too. :smokin:
they can't now but cause its illegal. vote yes on prop 19 and they can. :jointsmile:Quote:
Originally Posted by OhNoYaDont
as i see it people will get what they've wanted for years. it will help raise money for the state. law enforcement can now fight real crimes instead of easy non-violent crimes which shouldn't be in the first place on citizens. i say vote yes and end this fight because other states will follow. prohibition is a failure and always will be.
Prohibition is a Failure
I'll tap in my two cents again. I seriously don't think that this prop is here to resolve issues of prohibition, the larger goal is to dominate cannabis through the pharmacutical industry. The whole goal of prop 19 is to allow for Commercialized Cannabis and to allow Monsanto to put his University of Mississippi Schwag onto the market. California will soon put many regulations on the culivation of cannabis. There is an issue larger than prohibition looming in prop 19.Quote:
Originally Posted by greenghost
Sorry to seem like a downer on every one's parade here, but once Monsanto gets mentioned anywhere near a species of flora, you know the business is about to go very sour. (In the case of prop 19, some of the top sponsors have very interesting ties with Monsanto Corp.)
Jetta, votiing for the right to smoke and grow will not necessarily condone genetically modified seeds and Big cartel laws that go along with it. In Europe they have outlawed gentically modified seeds of any kind and prosecute Monsanto and the like if people are caught using them.
Your argument doesn't stand up if you look at what has happened in Europe.
PS. even if Monsanto comes up with their patented genetically modified seeds, that doesn't mean that everyone has to use them!!!! I grow all my own vegetables and have never used a Monsanto seed.
Get Real. This is about civil liberties and you wanting to protect some kind of income that you have now.
I am quite aware that they have banned GM seeds in Europe. The thing with letting GM seeds through the door so easily is that you are also going to let in gene polution. Although this polution may never affect our generation, its the future generations that will have to deal with this crap. Even though you don't use GM seeds now, future generations may not have the same luxury if GM seeds are allowed to break into the markets. Cannabis is almost guaranteed to be GM. Dutch breeders are in on the market too, why do you think that everyone is pushing feminized seeds?! Gene pollution can ruin all wild genetics if allowed to spread. I'm all for human rights and all, but I am also trying to think about the future of this plant. Also, don't worry about me, I can't even vote on 19. I am just trying to bring up some points that many people are looking past.Quote:
Originally Posted by nugssgalore
the party is over for people making big money on pot.:rastasmoke:
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Originally Posted by LucidDreamer85
amen dude,I so agree with this.
i'm not buying any pot from tobacco companies thats for sure....after all the peoples lives they ruined .They can take a dive for all i care :wtf:
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Originally Posted by mikeyman
So you'd rather see me in the Unemployment line and The puppet masters of California (Big money Corps) controlling the Market than freelance growers like me who grow for the people, and not profit. You'd Rather have tax than no tax. You'd rather have them tell you how many plants and in what space you can grow? As of now there is a 18 plant limit per Patient with NO GROW SPACE LIMIT!, you want a 5X5 with 3-6 plants? You want to be punished for smoking outside instead of being able to walk down the street with a joint in hand?(AS of now if youā??re a Medical Marijuana patient there is no law stating you cannot medicate in Public) So let me get this straight because I'm trying to understand this... You want a $50 an ounce tax EVERYTIME you buy, plus the other two Taxes (oh yes there are 3 DIFFERENT TAXES you pay for EVERY purchase) instead of $45-$60 a year for a Script with NO TAX, You want a limit of 5X5 area that you can only put 3-6 plants in and its an instant FELONY if plants are outside of that area, and you want to be confined to indoors only instead of being able to freely smoke where ever and whenever you want?
All because they say its "legal"? and that allows anyone 21+ to have access... ummm anyone 21+ Can Already have access and itā??s called a script. ANY CALIFORNIA RESIDENT CAN GET IT! All you need is $45-60 bucks and a ID! Think people! Go read the ENTIRE PROP instead of bandwagon jumping....
If its Legal why can DEA bust in my home @ 2am because they say I have plants outside my 5X5 area and jail me? If its "Legal" should the Feds still be able to Harass me?... Thatā??s "Legal" to you people? Thatā??s fair? To Tax medication and let the State & Government control yet another aspect of our Lives, if you want to preach cant we just BE then you need to stop and think , quit being freaking sheep because they are leading you strait to slaughter and you are the ones thinking youā??re getting over on them?! wow...
Example:
You think just because Iā??m half African American I voted for Obama because he's "Black"? No I liked some of Mc Cains attributes and some of Obama's I RESEARCHED BOTH SIDES, I didnā??t just jump on the Bandwagon like a lot of you and voted because he was a Democrat or because he was Black. You can try to say thatā??s not what you did. But come on a good 90% of you know, one of those if not both are the Exact reason you did. I voted because Obama had more Positive than McCain. I READ the proposals of both sides before coming to a decision. Itā??s really that simple just read people, stop following and start being some leaders. All Chiefs and no Indiansā?¦
Don't vote Yes because your friend said itā??s a good idea or because you believe what they tell you. GO READ THE PROP! Itā??s plain as day bullsh!t yet all you ā??YES ON 19!ā? Voters just ignore ALL THE BAD for what you think is a positive. Thatā??s not Logical thatā??s just being bullheaded and stubborn. A lot of good that has done us so far. Iā??m not against Marijuana being Legal I WANT THIS, but I want it truly Legal, No grow restrictions that destroy small time growers like me. Hey if 19 said 25X25 I would reconsider, No tax ā??You donā??t tax medicineā?- Dennis Peron (Father of Prop 215), Keeping the legal right to medicate in public, No stiff Felony laws for smoking such as in front of minors or possessing more than a Ounce on you at a time, and Most of all, no longer making it a ā??Drugā? under Federal Law s it still will be even with 19 passed. Thatā??s Freedom, not this half a$$ed Prop thatā??s completely designed for The people with the Most money and the Government to control the Market.
You think just because the Government and state control it the prices will be lower? Hmmm?
You think that 250-400 Ounce you pay now is going to be somehow cheaper? No its not its still going to be 300 ounce now with a lovely 150 MORE tax! WHOOOO thank you sir may I have another!....
Donā??t be blind, donā??t be stubborn the world has enough ignorance, educateā?¦.
One loveā?¦
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not really ;;;i have just stated in other post that i plan to buy my meds from small growers and that i will not be buying it from any tobacco companies thats for sure.I don't like the current setup that we have to see a doctorQuote:
Originally Posted by ZeroWingX
and it is very wish-washy the way the feds are raiding places and the city says no ,,,the state says yes and no???We need this change.You will be okay if you can market your crop and have a good product.I still disagree.I think the price will come down as more pot is on the market.If the price is still to high ill grow my own.I don't want to see you unemployed brother.It's
just that this change is coming and your in the middle of it.Not my fault your a grower.Perhaps there will be a job in the new industry for you.The big growers up north have been making out real good lately.So good the won't even vote yes for 19
as far as President Obama.I think he is great.I am proud that he is black.
I'm glad we have a younger person as president.
Yea Me to, least he's actually working on what he says, but please tell me thats not the only thing you got from me post :wtf:Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeyman
hi Zero where does it say you have to stay in a 5x5 space?
I don't want to walk down the street and smoke pot.I don't want to see people smoking on the street.I don't want to smoke and drive a car.I don't want the fed breaking into these pot shops and arresting people that work there.I don't want the police constantly harassing pot shops.I don't want my taxes going to the police to do this kind of thing.I don't want to have to get permission from a doctor to get high.That medical maryjane thing was done just to get our foot in the door.When i have a good week at work alot of overtime the government gets almost half of my pay check.How much did the big growers up north kick in to the tax man last year?
As far as 50$ an ounce tax .No one will buy if the price is to high and that means no taxes collected.
It i illegal to drink beer on the street.Pot should have the same laws as booze.Only one or 2 pot shops in a small city and not near schools.
i think we have to right President to push this thing over the top.Soon other states will follow.We have a President that knows what going on.
Whoā??s to blame for the medical marijuana crackdowns in California?
Who