Loose Change-911 was an inside job.

Makeing personal attacks on the Creaters of the material instead of the Material presented is really tacky, and an unprofessional diversion tactic at best. Throwing things out there like "troothers meet your leaders" is really imature. For starters Im just gonna go out on a limb here and guess IDK that 9/11 truth is FAR bigger than Those in with the loose change crowd LOL. I would also like to add that a percentage of collage kids do live at home to save on tuition costs. I think its a great thing that Our youth are doing something for this country. Please stick to the FACTS Presented in the material. Examples> The manuvers preformed by several planes were Imposible to manuver by Profession pilots at the rates of speed they were going. Buildings falling at Free fall speed. Liquid pools of molten metal still burning 27 days later after the collapse. Prior warning. Norad Stand down order by Dick Chenney, Simulated drill Operation North woods being conducted on the same day at the same time. Day before Insurance policy was taken out on the towers. Donald Rumpsfeld held a Confrence The day prior Saying they lost 1 trillion dollars through the system-coincidently the evidence was taken out by the pentagon attack. Building 7 came down in its own foot print Like the two other towers and was not struck by a plane. alquida is a USA Proven CIA Created group to fight off the Russians during their invasion of afganistan.

I'm thinking now, after reading and seeing a whole bunch of different opinions, that whatever the truth behind 9/11, the confusion surrounding those events was and is a part of the plan.

People talk about the idea that 9/11 would have to have involved so many people that you could never keep it a secret. I wonder if there aren't people in this country who question their own involvement in those events. Because the idea that there would need to be thousands involved is true, actually understated I think. It's possible that there would need to be so many people involved from such varying fields that many of those directly involved have no idea to this day that they played a part, however small. And if it's true that the whole op was an inside job, there must be those who realized after the fact that some random task or job they performed may very well have contributed in it's own way. Can those people come forward with what they might know? What if their knowledge led to the realization that this was an inside job? Would they be treated well by a populace who knows them only for being complicate in the deaths of thousands of Americans? I would think someone in this position would be scared to come forward.

I don't claim to have any answers, this is just the kind of thing I think about. I have all the same questions.

I guess this is why we'll never see any proof Bin Laden was killed. He's probably kicking it on an island sipping margaritas while having his feet washed by the hair of 12 virgins.

"It's possible that there would need to be so many people involved from such varying fields that many of those directly involved have no idea to this day that they played a part, however small..... "

Very true....

Two things make me suspicious as to the actual conspirators behind this whole spectacle....

1 - The time of the attacks - Terrorists want to cause as much destruction, mayhem and death as possible in each attack. If this were true, why hit the towers at 9am instead of 1pm? If terrorists actually did plot this attack, wouldn't they have had the intelligence to know that the buildings would have had thousands more people in them at mid-day as opposed to early morning? I'm not a terrorist but I am a trained combat veteran and one thing I know for sure is that when you go after your enemy, you hit them hard and without mercy..... 9am just seemed merciful.... Which is why I don't think terrorists plotted this attack....

2 - Witness Suicides - I have a very hard time believing that most, if not all, of the people who came forward publicly about testifying to their experience the morning of, would commit suicide.... Hello, the CIA wrote a book back in the 50's about how to commit a murder and make it look like a suicide. I believe it was an assassination manual.... I mean, how easy would it be for the CIA to covertly go after an unguarded target??? Very easy....

Just my take on it....

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thats a great question, so many people would have to be in on it...Well Governments operate in compartamentalizeation..<not spelled correctly lol. Im sure the combat vets here can back me up. Thats how Operations are done, to maintain complete Opsec. havine it done at 9:00am in the morning as apposed to 1:00pm...<Well it seems to me that it would be better cause everyones busy going to work, there still tired, not really paying attention(wont remember as easily) George bush gets to have his little "On stage act" at the book reading to those school kids...and act surprised for the cameras(I mean come on go and back and watch that video and Dont say you arent laughing when you watch his act, lol)

FWIW my neighbors brother in law picked up George Bush from AF1 as soon as it landed in DC that morning and if you people really think our government was in on this then please send me the seeds from what you're smoking! The terrorists had to coordinate four flights that took off at about the same time with long distance routes so they would be full of fuel, logistics probably paid a larger role in which flights were selected then the time of day.

A conspiracy would have involved a hell of a lot more people then just government employees, the entire staff at the Cleveland airport would have had to be in on it as well as the CEO's of United and AA, the cell phone companies would have had to have fabricated those calls made from United 93 as well as fabricated the interview with family members who spoke with those passengers. The head of security at the WTC would have had to been involved to pull this conspiracy off and he died RESCUING people from the towers. Lets not forget the 100's if not 1,000's of people on the freeway in DC who saw a PASSENGER JET fly directly overhead, not a MISSLE, a TV reporter reported he saw a passenger jet with the AA logo which is impossible to confuse with a missle. I've had wood pile fires burn the smolder for DAYS. Elevator shafts filled with liquid explosives? Ok, except for they would have had to take the elevators out of service while they were filling the shafts, plus they would have needed a way to get this massive amount of liquid into the building and begin filling the shafts without anyone knowing. The elevators were not out of service at the time of the attack! Buildings were wired with explosives you say? Again, impossible to wire enough explosives to those buildings to bring them down without anyone knowing. Ever watch a building being imploded by a demolition crew? It takes WEEKS just to wire the buildings they bring down which aren't close to the scale of the WTC. A demolition expert stated that it would literally take months to plan, design and execute an implosion of those buildings, the logistics and manpower involved would be impossible to go unnoticed. They showed the amount of work involved in a much smaller building they had demolished, he said it would have taken like 3 times longer and about 5 times as much manpower and explosives to bring down the WTC.

To put that in perspective the number of people involved in a conspiracy from both government and private businesses would have to number in the thousands, if the CEO of both United and AA were involved it would have to involve many, many more employees in those airlines(some of whom died in those planes). All the employees at Cleveland International, all the people involved in the demolition, all those people on the freeway, the entire security staff of the WTC including the head of security who died rescuing people, the owners of the WTC, the employees at Logan International(a friend of mine grew up with one screener at Logan who let one terrorist through and she said it really messed him up to learn of this) multiple levels of government employees, members of congress and the senate on down. That doesn't even take into account how many military personnel would need to be involved to cover this up, it would have had to have been a military aircraft that launched that "missle". Then there are all the family members of the passengers of United 93 who spoke to loved one's on their cell phones shortly before the passengers took over the plane. Documented records of the terrorists taking flight training classes in MN and purpously stalling the planes during simulation excersizes, the same guys identified as the terrorists who flew these planes into their targets as well as testimony from an instructor who clearly told these guys to STOP stalling the simulation excersize and was puzzled as to why they were doing this(at the time anyway). Now you would have to involve the people in that school in the conspiracy.

Is it REALLY rational to think our government orchestrated this entire event? Why bother hunting Bin Laden then? Maybe he isn't dead afterall huh? I never saw a body or or the pic's they claim to have, sounds like a pretty easy cover up right there to me not to mention they kept changing their official story of what happened right from day one. How many people would need to be involved in a cover up like this? Hardly any, just the crew that raided the compound which wasn't very many and a few government officials including Obama.

PD - you are correct a conspiracy of this nature would be extremely hard to concieve and to cover up. I agree totally on this point.

The problems for me are some disturbingly unanswered questions that are clearly not answered by claiming that the cover up would be too dificult. Why was the hole in the side of the Pentagon too small for the aircraft that struck the building. How was the metal in that plane able to burn so completely that none of the parts of the plane were recovered inside the building yet all the bodies were recovered. Why did several of the CIA experts interviewed at the crash scene indicate that they smelled cordite when they should have only smelled burning jet fuel. Why did the towers collapse like a demolition and not fall like trees. Why did the third building collapse also like a demolition even though it was not struck.

To say a conspiracy is too difficult, and to explain the reasons why it is too difficult, does not advance any reasonable explanation on these troubling questions. If there was no conspiracy then these questions should be quickly and easily answered. Maybe bodies burn at a higher temperature than metal. Maybe there was cordite stored in one of the offices hit. Maybe the experts are wrong about expecting the buildings to fall like trees.

I have not seen the details of the molten metal and the nanothermite explosives. This seems to be more recent information. My questions are from the original event. Tell me the experts were wrong and give at least some kind of explanation.

Compartimentlization. Apparetly they didnt go research the term. Mass amounts of people dont have to be "IN" on it If they are compartimentalized. This is how Operations are conducted in War with out the enemy knowing...

Really its not a conspiracy....Donald Rumpsfeld is now going around town hall meetings and telling people he dosnt even believe building 7 existed. And that "people mention this build 7" "but yet I have no proof it even existed" <Are you kidding me.....How about the fact that alquida Number 2 Leader has Dined at the Pentagon... Wasnt there also proof that they had special payed houseing and spending money...I could look back into that But im almost 100% sure they did. They were conducting the SAME drill of HIJACKERS jacking planes and flying them into the towers THE SAME DAY at the SAME TIME confuseing norad. Just like the London subway bombings, Same drill the same day...<That happens alot coincedently.

I would like to answer the questions about how could It be a conspiracy SOOO many people from the office cleaner to the head ceo would have to be in on it....

How about the fact that the towers were closed down off and on for 5 days prior and repair men and Inspection units were allowed access to remote areas of the towers. BAM!!! I knew Id find this out....Its just like the Oklahoma city bombing >

YouTube - &#x202a;Oklahoma City Bombing RARE footage&#x202c;&rlm; Dont you remember any of this LOL...then they said they were Training bombs...LOL I guess anything left over in any Government spocered terrorism that malfuctions is a Training bomb lol..




WTC security anomalies
A number of strange facts fall under the heading of WTC security anomalies.Among them:
â?¢ George W. Bushâ??s brother was a Director and his cousin was the CEO of the security fi rm responsible for the design of the electronic security network of the World Trade Center prior to and during 9/11;
â?¢ Numerous phone threats of bombs placed WTC on high alert in weeks prior to 9/11;
â?¢ Employees of WTC reported rare â??power-downâ?� alerts in days leading up to 9/11 in which power was shut down to various fl oors for maintenance work, rendering security controls and video cameras inoperative; many workers were seen entering and leaving the buildings;
â?¢ At least one security guard at WTC reported the abrupt removal of explosive-sniffi ng dogs fi ve days prior to 9/11;
â?¢ John Oâ??Neill quit his job as FBI counter terrorism expert in part because of obstruction of his investigations of al-Qaeda and became head of WTC security, starting in late August 2001; he was killed three weeks later in the attacks.
Demolition-like Collapse of WTC 1, 2, and 7
Of all the facts discussed in this survey, the nature of the collapse of three World Trade Center buildings ranks among the most signifi cant. There are several mysteries about these collapses:
â?¢ Never in the history of modern civilization has a steel-framed skyscraper collapsed due to fi re;
â?¢ How can Solid STEEL Structure melt in Open Air,it need very high temp.which is not possible in open airâ?¦there was mostly Smoke,smoke comes out,means fire not burning properly ;
â?¢ Solid Steel Structure building fall down in 16 mints of smoke burning ;strange ! fall down in 11 second.
â?¢ After Fall down,area was full with white dust ,from where it came;
â?¢ After Fall down;why No office items,where thery wereâ?¦110 floor building,hundered of officeâ?¦chair,computer,nothing was there â?¦..
â?¢ Before few years 6 hrs of Fire in WTC,no collapse,on that day 16 mintute of smoke with fire and bulding fall down.
â?¢ BOMBS were planted in building before 9/11.
â?¢ AFTER FALL DOWN , WHERE WAS THE CORE OF BOTH BUILDING ??????????
â?¢ The fi res in the buildings were much shorted-lived than other fi res that have damaged skyscrapers in the past;
â?¢ The World Trade Center buildings were built to very high standards; they were highly redundant structures intentionally designed to withstand the direct impact of a commercial jetliner and much larger fi res;
â?¢ Scores of fi refi ghters, police, workers, outside witnesses and journalists reported hearing explosive detonations throughout the buildings just before and during their collapse;
â?¢ There is clear visible evidence of â??squibsâ?? (demolition explosions) on the sides of the towers during their collapse;
â?¢ Towers 1 and 2 fell to the ground within one and three seconds of free-fall velocity, something that is physically impossible if the fl oors of the buildings are meetingâ??let alone overcomingâ??the resistance
of intact steel and concrete structure throughout their fall;
â?¢ The concrete of the towers is pulverized to a fi ne dust, something that would not occur if the fl oors of the towers simply â??pancakedâ?� upon each other;
â?¢ The towers fell almost perfectly into their own footprints;
â?¢ The buildings had been transferred from public to private ownership only a few weeks earlier, and their new owner took out insurance that specifi cally included acts of terrorism. The case of World Trade Center 7 is most revealing:
â?¢ It was never struck by an airplane;
â?¢ The fi res inside (allegedly due to falling debris from the collapse of the other towers) were relatively small;
â?¢ It fell at exactly free-fall velocity; without controlled demolition this is impossible according to the laws of physics;
â?¢ It fell symmetrically into its footprint;
â?¢ Its owner is on videotape saying he suggested to fi re offi cials that the building be â??pulledâ?�â??jargon for controlled demolition; shortly after that suggestion, it collapsed in precisely the manner of a controlled
demolition;
â?¢ It housed offices of the CIA and New Yorkâ??s emergency management center, among others;
â?¢ Evidence of explosive compounds has been found in at least one of the few remaining pieces of once-molten iron that were not illegally destroyed;
The collapse of WTC 7 was never addressed by the 9/11 Commission.
These facts all bluntly confl ict with the offi cial theory of 9/11. These facts are completely consistent with controlled demolition of WTC 1, 2 and 7.
Resistance to 9/11 Investigations
In prior national crises, such as the attack on Pearl Harbor and the assassination of John F. Kennedy, investigations were empanelled within a matter of days. In the case of 9/11 the nation would have to wait a half-year for House-Senate hearings, more than a year for a formal investigation to commence,
and nearly three years for a fi nal report. The Commission closed on August 21st 2004.
President Bush and Vice President Cheney fought these hearings and investigations at every possible turn.
Many More Issue are there !if i will get time,i will publish it ,this article contain just WTC issue,not pentagon

Many More Issue are there !if i will get time,i will publish it ,this article contain just WTC issue,not pentagon
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Can you actually prove any of this? NO!

Can you prove that the "Greatest Country on Earth" was brutally, and by any scale of measurement, quite successfully attacked by a group of people who operate mainly out of caves.?

No.

This I think is the main problem in this debate. Both sides just revert to throwing random stones and claiming that absolute poof is the only thing that will convince them otherwise.

Personally I'm willing to dismiss some pieces of evidence as being inconclusive. Take for example the claim that squibs can be seen exploding out the sides of the towers as they fell. If you examine the video evidence this is undeniable. However I think this can possibly be explained by the fact that the towers were actively falling at the time, and the kinds of pressure tearing through the structure could have caused all kinds of effects. This is an admittedly weak explanation, but in an open debate I would be willing to let it go.
The problem is that people who say they believe the official theory are unwilling to bend on any of the evidence. They speak with the conviction of someone who was actually there, but not just in some bystander capacity but from the kind of vantage point that only superman could achieve.

I think I get it though. It's fucking scary. I don't want to believe that our government lied to and betrayed us to get us into a war, but that seems to be the most plausible answer.
It's not like this type of thing hasn't happened in the past. Vietnam was based on a lie and its public knowledge today. Research the bay of Ton kin incident and then search for other false flag operations. Human beings have been deceiving other human beings for their own gain for thousands of years, it's simple logic that as our society becomes ever more complex so too do our deceptions.

Thanks Eso. That is what I have been saying. I want to see evidence that proves there was no conspiracy. So far the simple questions I have are yet to be answered. The lack of any plane recovery at the pentagon with the complete body recovery is just too hard to swallow. If no logical explanation can be given then only the illogical remains.

It is frightening to accept the possibility that a conspiracy existed but it is always very important to question authority. They have frequently distorted the truth in the past.

Can you prove that the "Greatest Country on Earth" was brutally, and by any scale of measurement, quite successfully attacked by a group of people who operate mainly out of caves.?>>>>>>

I can prove what I saw with my own two eyes! Most conspiracy theroist think Bush/Cheny were behind this, it would be impossible to pull off a stunt like this in less then 8 months and thats about how long Bush was in office when these attacks occured. The problem with conspiracy junkies is they are more then willing to excuse the obvious without being able to explain their own theory. Apparently this "conspiracy" has continued with the new president otherwise the whole Bin Laden thing was a waste of time and money.

Where are all the Jew's who didn't go to work that day or fly on those planes? Nobody told me about any of this, I'm glad I wasn't traveling that day.

Bush and cheny? shit you can go back to Kennedy and even further to find out what its always been about.

I can prove what I seen with my two eyes also...3 buildings falling at free fall speed...The bottom floors giving out at the same time as the top. Before the collapse portions even made it down to touch them...One of those buildings wasnt even hit by a plane. Wasnt even mentioned in THE INVESTIGATION....WELL FUCK ME SIDEWAYS WORLD TRADE CENTER BUILDING 7........A WHOLE FUCKING BUILDING....FALLING THAT SCARED MILLIONS OF AMERICANS TO DEATH AND NOT A PEEP OUT OF OUR GOVERNMENT....A WHOLE BUILDING A WHOLE BUILDING A WHOLE BUILDING....DONALD RUMPSFELD ON VIDEO SAYING HES NEVER AWARE IT EXISTED "While speaking at town hall meetings"

<Bush and Cheny LULZ.... Hey how do you know how long it takes to plan a demo operation? Hitler staged his own burning of his own parliment building...Im sure there were loyalists just like you back in the 40's saying the same thing...and history repeats itself over and over cause people forget.

I can also prove its chemicaly impossible to have Molten pools of liquid metal still buring 27 days after the collapse from "jet fuel" and/or office paper....lol.

Another 911 will repeat after ten years?

Quote, "'Lucky' Larry's Chicago's Sears/Willis Tower Tenants are Moving out and it has an Asbestos Problem

On June 10, 2011, Chicagoâ??s Northwest Community Hospital and the U.S. Army Reserve will perform an emergency exercise called â??Red Dragonâ?� to prepare for any future event involving mass death.

Security at Willis is provided by Kroll's, the same outfit that provided 'security' to the WTC.

An Israeli Company provides 'security' to Chicago's O'Hare Airport.

And with MOSSAD agent Rahm Emanuel as Mayor of Chicago, the table is set for mass murder.


Is the 'Windy City' about to get REAL Windy?


Since last year a number of emergency drills and exercises have taken place in and around the city of Chicago. To find out more about these drills and exercises, here are some articles you should read:

June 2010 â?? Emergency drills may close Chicago-area roads

June 2010 â?? Armageddon Simulated in Chicago, which involved a 'simulated' airplane crash.

May 2011 â?? Third tallest building in Chicago enhances security, conducts fire evacuation drills

On June 10, 2011, Chicagoâ??s Northwest Community Hospital and the U.S. Army Reserve will perform an emergency exercise called â??Red Dragonâ?� to prepare for any future event involving mass death.
Get Out While You Still Can
Thoma Bravo moves out of Willis Tower

Thoma Bravo is becoming the second private equity firm in the past year to move out of Willis Tower, formerly known as Sears Tower, and into a new office building at 300N. LaSalle. About a year ago GTCR Golder Rauner LLC also left Willis for 300 N. LaSalle.

He also cited other factors: inconvenient security for visitors; tourists now allowed in what had been the business lobbies; and â??poor maintenanceâ?� of many common areas.
Ernst & Young to leave Sears Tower

Willis Tower is owned by a group that includes, surprise, surprise 'Lucky' Larry Silverstein.

Will 'Lucky' Larry remove the Willis Tower's asbestos the same way he did at the WTC?

APFN - Warning: False Flag attack planned for Sears Tower

Security at Willis is provided by Kroll's, the same outfit that provided 'security' to the WTC.
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Dean Witter managed security at the WTC. IN fact the head of security for Dean Witter died helping save the lives of hundreds of people. The Discovery channel has a very good documentary on his life.

I am just waiting for an explanation to a few troubling questions so I can move on. If people can't explain how the plane that hit the pentagon burned so completely that no parts could be recovered but the bodies inside were all recovered we still have pointedly unanswered questions. Why did the personell interviewed at the pentagon immdiately after the event smell cordite? Why did bldg 7 collapse? Why did all the buildings collapse like a demolition when the demolition experts said they should have toppled like trees? People seem to be dismissing the entire issue without addressing obvious questions that came up directly after the event. Now you are arguing about information that was discovered months and years later. Lets see people have answers to the simple questions from the initial event or maybe the more difficult ones that came up later.

The government has admitted that they released a virus from a ship in San Francisco Bay to see how many people got ill. Many got ill and some even died. The government did not admit they did this until the evidence was leaked out about 40 years later. The government gave LSD to people without letting them know. At least one person comitted suicide as a result. The government also admitted to this about 40 years later and paid the family a settlement. There are many more examples of government conspiracies that have come to light after the fact. Some conspiracies came to light prematurely like the pentagon papers exposing the government conspiracy to lie about VietNam while we were still at war. The inconvenient exposure of this information caused people to rethink their entire stand on the war.

I hope 911 was not a case of history repeating itself in the sense of past poor behavior.

Airplane debris including Flight 77's black boxes,[101] the nose cone, landing gear,[102] an airplane tire,[103] and an intact cockpit seat[104] were observed at the crash site. The remains of passengers from Flight 77 were found at the Pentagon crash site and their identities confirmed by DNA analysis.[105] Many eyewitnesses saw the plane strike the Pentagon. Further, Flight 77 passengers made phone calls reporting that their airplane had been hijacked. For example, passenger Renee May called her mother to tell her that the plane had been hijacked and that the passengers had been herded to the back of the plane. Another passenger named Barbara Olson called her husband (U.S. Solicitor General Theodore Olson) and said that the flight had been hijacked, and that the hijackers had knives and box cutters.[4][95][106]

After 9/11, cellular experts said that calls were able to be placed from the hijacked planes, and that they were surprised that they lasted as long as they did. They said that the only reason that the calls went through in the first place is that the aircraft were flying so close to the ground.[134] Alexa Graf, an AT&T spokesperson said it was almost a fluke that the calls reached their destinations.[135] Other industry experts said that it is possible to use cell phones with varying degrees of success during the ascent and descent of commercial airline flights.[136] Marvin Sirbu, professor of Engineering and Public Policy at Carnegie Mellon University said on September 14, 2001, that "The fact of the matter is that cell phones can work in almost all phases of a commercial flight."[136]

According to the 9/11 Commission Report, 13 passengers from Flight 93 made a total of over 30 calls to both family and emergency personnel (twenty-two confirmed air phone calls, two confirmed cell phone and eight not specified in the report). According to Debunk911myths.org, all but two calls from Flight 93 were made on air phones, not cell phones, and both calls lasted about a minute before being dropped.[137] Brenda Raney, Verizon Wireless spokesperson, said that Flight 93 was supported by several cell sites.[135] There were reportedly three phone calls from Flight 11, five from Flight 175, and three calls from Flight 77. Two calls from these flights were recorded, placed by flight attendants Madeleine Sweeney and Betty Ong on Flight 11.

In the article "Active Thermitic Material Discovered in Dust from the 9/11 World Trade Center Catastrophe", which appeared in the Open Chemical Physics Journal, authors Niels Harrit of the University of Copenhagen's Department of Chemistry, Jeffrey Farrer of Brigham Young University's Department of Physics and Astronomy, Steven E. Jones, and others state that thermite and nanothermite composites in the dust and debris were found following the collapse of the three buildings, which they conclude to be proof that explosives brought down the buildings. The article contained no scientific rebuttal and the editor in chief of the publication subsequently resigned.[80][81][82][83]

Jones has not explained how the amount of explosive needed to do this could have been positioned in the two buildings without drawing attention, but mentioned efforts to research the buildings' maintenance activity in the weeks prior to the event. Federal investigators at the National Institute of Standards and Technology state that enormous quantities of thermite would have to be applied to the structural columns to damage them, but Jones disputed this, saying that he and others were investigating "superthermite".[81] Brent Blanchard, author of "A History of Explosive Demolition in America",[84] who corresponded with Jones, states that questions about the viability of Jones' theories remain unanswered, such as the fact that no demolition personnel noticed any telltale signs of thermite during the eight months of debris removal following the towers' collapse. Blanchard also stated that a verifiable chain of possession needs to be established for the tested beams, which did not occur with the beams Jones tested, raising questions of whether the metal pieces tested could have been cut away from the debris pile with acetylene torches, shears, or other potentially contaminated equipment while on site, or exposed to trace amounts of thermite or other compounds while being handled, while in storage, or while being transferred from Ground Zero to memorial sites.[85]

Jones also stated that molten steel found in the rubble was evidence of explosives, as an ordinary airplane fire would not generate enough heat to produce this, citing photographs of red debris being removed by construction equipment, but Blanchard stated that any molten steel in the rubble would've immediately damaged any excavation equipment encountering it.[81]

Phil Molé of Skeptic magazine has explained that it is neither quick nor easy to locate and intercept a plane behaving erratically, and that the hijackers turned off or disabled the onboard radar transponders. Without these transponder signals to identify the airplanes, the hijacked airplanes would have been only blips among 4,500 other blips on NORADâ??S radar screens, making them very difficult to track.[69][72]

According to Popular Mechanics, only 14 fighter jets were on alert in the contiguous 48 states on 9/11. There was no automated method for the civilian air traffic controllers to alert NORAD.[72] A passenger airline had not been hijacked in the US since 1979.[75] "They had to pick up the phone and literally dial us," says Maj. Douglas Martin, public affairs officer for NORAD. According to Popular Mechanics, only one civilian plane was intercepted in the decade prior to 9/11, which took 1 hour and 22 minutes.[72]

Rules in effect at that time, and on 9/11, barred supersonic flight on intercepts. Before 9/11, all other NORAD interceptions were limited to offshore Air Defense Identification Zones (ADIZ). "Until 9/11 there was no domestic ADIZ," says FAA spokesman Bill Schumann. After 9/11, the FAA and NORAD increased cooperation. They set up hotlines between command centers while NORAD increased its fighter coverage and installed radar to watch airspace over the continent.[72

The problem with conspiracy theories such as this one is they raise a lot of questions but offer no answers and for the most part they offer no proof just speculation. Most of Loose Change has been completely debunked, there is nary a shred of proof in anything they suggest may have happened.

I will try to locate and recheck my source but I found this information a long time ago. The problems described by my source are the following. The hole in the pentagon was not large enough for the model of plane that struck the building. The plane burned so thoroughly that none of the plane was recovered inside the pentagon yet all of the bodies were recovered. The only piece of the plane recovered was a piece of an engine recovered outside the building that "could not be identified as a piece of the type of plane that hit the pentagon". Explosives experts interviewed at the pentagon right after the event claimed they smelled the explosive cordite and not jet fuel as expected.

It is possible and even probable that a plane struck the pentagon. I will try to relocate the articles and links that describe these troubling questions. I read this information years ago and the questions I have are just the ones that stuck out.

Why did the towers fall like a demolition and not topple like a tree. If you can explain the towers collapse with melting inner support beams what about bldg 7. It was never struck and collapsed in the same demolition type manner. The only explanation I have seen offered was that it was possibly poor construction.

It would be soooooooooooo easy for US operatives to recruit hijackers.... People who hate America are very easy to find in the middle east. People who are willing to commit horrendous acts for the sake of their belief are even easier to find. How easy would it be for a US operative to setup all flights hijacked that day? Easier than it would be for a person who operates out of a mud hut....

It is possible and even probable that a plane struck the pentagon. I will try to relocate the articles and links that describe these troubling questions. I read this information years ago and the questions I have are just the ones that stuck out.>>>>>>>>

I think the information I posted is pretty straight forward. Science can't explain everything as an event like this has never happened before. A LOT of misinformation has been repeated so many times that people come to believe them as fact such as no evidence of any plane wreckage at the pentagon. There were numerous eye witness that saw a passenger jet fly over their heads, there is absoutely no mistaking a passenger jet for a missle. The wreckage material not burned up has been clearly identified as that of an aircraft and not a missle, a missle has no cockpit or seats.

Suggesting a simultanious demolition of three buildings with two of them being some of the largest structures in the world is absurd just to suggest.

How easy would it be for a US operative to setup all flights hijacked that day? Easier than it would be for a person who operates out of a mud hut....>>>>

My case in point, conspiracy theorist are great at coming up with questions but never seem to have any answers. It's possible GOD was responsible for all of this however you'd never convince me of it but if you're faith is strong enough I could see how a person could see it that way. It's possible the Russians were behind this as well. Why wouldn't they hire terrorists? They have the intelligence to pull something like this off. Why not Iran? Why would it be so far fetched to believe Iran was behind this?

Maybe it was the Chinese? Did you know they have closed a 20 year technology gap in 10 years and are nipping at our heels as of today? Why couldn't they have orchestrated this to help bring our economy/government down?

Why not the Canadians? Didn't all the terrorists cross the border through Canada? I'm sure if a person did enough research they could come up with a dozen reasons why Canada may have been behind all of this.

Why not Mexico? Sure wouldn't be hard to come up with more then a few reasons why the Mexicans might want to attack us.

Why not Hugo Chavez? Hasn't he flat out threatned us with military action? Why wouldn't he be behind a massive terrorist attack on US soil?

Maybe it was aliens? Does anyone have any actual proof that aliens weren't behind all of this? Hhhhhmmmmm...

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My case in point, conspiracy theorist are great at coming up with questions but never seem to have any answers.....

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Like Rudy said before, too many questions have gone unanswered which leaves people to think of more questions. The governments official story conflicts with EYEWITNESS testimony....

9/11 was a false flag attack to motivate the invasion of Iraq. Setup to look like a terrorist attack so the general public would approve the presidents decision to invade. Why? For the natural resource of oil.... WMD's was just an excuse to get us into Iraq. The long term goal is to occupy land rich with oil. Why? American oil researchers speculated that US oil production would peak sometime in the 1970's and then American oil supply would soon after deplete. This is about the time the US started importing oil. As part of a business strategy, the US has been keeping most of the oil fields as reserves for when the rest of the worlds oil starts to deplete... Capitalism at work.... Anyway, the US gov wants American business in Iraq. In order for that to happen, Iraq has to have a stable economic society. Saddam was a huge roadblock for American business so he was dealt with the only way American business leaders know how to deal with people who stand in their way....

We might not agree on this 9/11 topic purpledaddy but this is what I can say from personal experience - While I was in Kuwait awaiting order to enter Iraq, I had a chance to speak with a Kuwaiti national who I exchanged American money for some Saddam dinars and Egyptian bills. While talking to this cab driver, I asked him why he thought we were at war with Iraq and he said American business. He said that American business wants to setup in Iraq and Saddam doesn't want to agree. Western culture and business is not liked in the middle east and not wanted. He said that American businesses have changed Kuwait since the US came in and saved them from the Iraqi invasion in 1991. He said the only reason Kuwait let American business in was because the American military helped.... This man was at least 50 years old so I took his opinion as a first hand experience of what people from over there think....

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The governments official story conflicts with EYEWITNESS testimony....>>>>

By whom and regarding what? The government official version is validated by eyewitness testimony I posted right here. Which eye witness is right and which is wrong? I'll go with the ones I've stated right here.

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By whom and regarding what? The government official version is validated by eyewitness testimony I posted right here. Which eye witness is right and which is wrong? I'll go with the ones I've stated right here.

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I'm sure you already saw this thread------> http://boards.cannabis.com/conspirac...ve-9-11-a.html

I like the part where the firemen are talking about hearing explosions as they were falling......like around 1min & 36sec or so....in the first vid....

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The problem is you can't deny the obvious, such as what people have seen with their own eyes.

The entire conspiracy must flow together, there is no doubt a plane crashed into the pentagon, absolutely certifiable evidence exists as I posted. This alone would debunk the entire conspiracy theory.

There isn't a single shred of evidence to suggest a missle was fired at the pentagon and in fact the exact opposite evidence exists proving it was a passenger jet.

You expect me to believe because of a conversation you had with a cabbie in Kuwait that 9/11 was conspired to overthrow the Iraqi economy? You actually believe our own president conspired to fly a plane into the White House?

Clever video however it also contradicts itself, it suggests the government denied building 7 existed yet the final few clips they say it was from fire. A three second clip of an audio recording claiming to be Rumsfeld??

Come on now, you have to have something better then that?

Are there really 1400 experts who disagree with the governments findings with facts to back it up? Are there really 1400 experts who disagree in the first place? They don't name or list them. ANYONE can produce a home made video with vague theories and suggestions but again the problem is they offer no answers.

You are asking me to believe the government loaded those buildings with explosives while being totally undetected by WTC security. Morgan Stanley ran security for the WTC, their director of security had evacuation drills for Morgan Stanley employees every three months since the 93 bombing attempt. He was in charge of every thing that went on in those towers, his name was Rick Rescorla and he died rescuing Morgan Stanley employees, because of his efforts all but 4 of Morgan Stanley employees survived the tower collapse, Rick Rescorla was not one of the survivors. Go watch the documentary "The Man Who Predicted 9/11" then tell me it was a conspiracy.

Just because a good man with a good heart was the director of security, does not mean that the gov, at the very highest levels, wouldn't be motivated to do something like this... If you haven't been paying attention, wall street has been running our government since the Reagan days.... When has empathy, in the wall street business world, ever gotten in the way of greed? I'd have an answer for you, if I had an example.... And it's not only wall street that run it, big banks have their finger in the pie too. Now, I'm not saying that they were all in on it, nor do I have a shred of proof who was, but it is possible for something like this to occur at the very highest levels....and I'm talking higher than the president....

Cause if you haven't been paying attention, our presidents, since JFK, haven't done shit for the people and have succumb to big business....

If you're making millions upon millions each year, you are not in touch with the general publics reality.... Big business looks and treats the general public like commodities.... Big pharmacy wants to treat us and suck every penny out before we eventually expire because of their "treatment".... They don't care about us and would easily and readily do anything to expand their pockets, even at the expense of the general public......kinda like royalty would treat the townsmen.... History repeats itself, doesn't matter how much technology we have, man will never change....and it's sad to say but this world needs evil in order for good to exist....balance is what this world is all about....

We obviously aren't going to ever agree on this subject....but we can agree that we both don't know what really happened....

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We obviously aren't going to ever agree on this subject....but we can agree that we both don't know what really happened....
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Actually, I think I know pretty much what happened or at least the official version seems very, very probably and enough for me to accept and I'm considered by most to be a skeptic. We may not agree BUT I've clearly stated points of references including the names of eye witnesses and nobody else has produced anything other then speculation. While I respect your post here it really has nothing to do with the subject or proving a point. Suggesting something else could have happened is easy but to actually provide points of references to prove your point is another. A couple of short video clips edited for their dramatic presentation are hardly good enough to convince me of anything and I highly doubt that was Donald Rumsfield on that audio tape. Those firemen had never experienced a building collapse of that magnitude, in fact nobody ever has so who knows what kind of sounds and/or explosions might be created when 110 stories come crashing down. Those buildings have utilities including flammables which would ignite in a fire. A five second clip of some anonymous firemen going "boom, boom, boom" played over and over is hardly convincing and only used for dramatic effect.

The point I was making regarding Rick Rescorla was that NOTHING was going on inside those towers without his advanced knowledge, he had full free reign of all security matters within the WTC complex. Nobody was going to wire or plant explosives in quantity enough to bring down those buildings without him knowing about it. This guy was so concerned about an attack from the air that he advised Morgan Stanley to relocate to a 10 story building in New Jersey, when they refused because of lease agreements he began running drills every three months for almost 8 years, these drills saved the lives of 3700 people. Do you REALLY think this guy would have been blind to both his buildings being set up for demolition? Come on man, use some common sense.

Covert operations are exactly that, covert.... And YES I do think that it is possible for explosives to be planted without his knowledge.... When it comes down to it, civilians are lazy and take other peoples word for things. I could go into so many scenarios where he could have been told one thing and believe that what he is being told is true.... Spouses cheat on their significant others while their significant other is nonetheless suspicious.... So yes, I do believe it could have happened even though this man reigned over security....

I could be on the net all day and look for specific examples of where stories contradict each other, with names and links and all that. Instead, I'm going to show you a scientific/physics point of view....

Here's a video of a controlled demolition------> YouTube - &#x202a;coolest building implosion&#x202c;&rlm;

Does it look similar to anything you've seen before? Maybe similar to the way that the WTC buildings came down? But if we were to use the example of the WTC buildings falling in the manner in which they did, then review the video of the controlled demolition, we would have to conclude that the building in the video of the controlled demolition had to have been hit with a plane, or similar force at a similar location, to have toppled the way that it did, no? Or should it be the other way around?

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And YES I do think that it is possible for explosives to be planted without his knowledge.... >>>>

How? Did you watch the documentary on this person? Do you know anything about him? I watched the whole thing and nothing was going on in those towers without his advanced knowledge, for Christ sake it was his job and he did emergency evacuation drills every three months for years, hardly the sign of a lazy person and in fact he was obsessed with his job.

Again you suggest nothing but pure speculation...It's possible aliens shot the buildings down with laser beams, I mean nobody ever said they never saw any alien space craft and they would probably have the technology to fly under radar. HHHHMMMM, maybe I'm on to something here?

My point was that just because someone is good at what they do doesn't mean that a small number of people could not enter the building without his knowledge. Shoot, they could have entered with his permission to do "maintenance" or "painting" or "so much more other chiz that could be named as having a prob and needing to be fixed". Not saying he was directly lazy, just saying that, in general, civilians are lazy....

I posted the video as the quickest form of "common sense" that I could find.... But you obviously trust your government.... That's why G Bush put Henry Kissinger in charge of the 9/11 commission. Yes he resigned months later but that was due to the outcry of Henry Kissingers past devious actions against society for governmental benefits....

You go ahead and trust your government PD.... I on the other hand will not.... I, as a patriot, joined the military to protect and defend our constitution and way of life.... It wasn't until I was used for other than patriotic motivations that I decided that my government wasn't truthful to it's people....

Benjamin Franklin said it best when he said, "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

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Absurd is an opinion, Demolitions Experts have stated its 100% fact they were demolitions. Free fall speed, means all the floors are cut at the EXACT same time, no If ands or butts, straight FACT. Im sorry to say but Fire, or faulty construction materials, or planes, ect ect WILL NEVER be that precise. They fell straight down Inside their own foot print...NEVER in the history of the world has ANY building ever done that other than demolitions...Thats what demos DO. The first two towers were demoed right as the debri from the top starts to crumble...At that point you can clearly see that the bottom floors Give out at the Exact same time. WHY ON GODS GREEN EARTH WAS BUILDING 7 NOT EVEN MENTIONED IN A FEDERAL INVESTIGATION?>???WTF ABSURD ABSURD ABSURD ABSURD....WHY IS SECRETARY OF DEFENCE DONALD RUMPSFELD GOING AROUND Town& cityhall meetings telling people It never Existed?> REALLY?

But you obviously trust your government....>>>>>>

Please don't put words in my mouth, I believe what I see and hear with my own two eyes and ears and I don't take anything at face value, I prefer to make my own conclusions and not let zelots pursuade me of some kind of bizzare happening.