well well... No real counter argument here.. mainly just trollish stuff lol... you cannot prove the theory wrong so now your trying to bash me... thats whack! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by BlueBlazer
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well well... No real counter argument here.. mainly just trollish stuff lol... you cannot prove the theory wrong so now your trying to bash me... thats whack! lolQuote:
Originally Posted by BlueBlazer
Troll behavior 101. Step 3, "poor me" . . . :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by chris62008
Yikes....you guys got your own miniature Jihad going on in this thread...well good luck and god bless, or allah akbar, or peace, or whatever....kill each other for once and let the folks that could care less either way continue to stack money and chill. Love Jesus....awsome dude. Wanna be a muslim.....party on. Wanna worship a character from Avatar.....sweet. JUST KEEP IT TO YOURSELF.:hippy:
Nobody is wrong when it comes to higher powers.
good to see some common sense there Islandborn..
always good to see you weigh in on these lil disputes though i doubt if either of these two are gonna let it go.. lol
-MG
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Originally Posted by Islandborn
Go on with your bad self and stack money and chill. I'm not stopping you. I have no desire to kill anyone. This is all amusing to me, there's no anger in it from my side. :D
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Originally Posted by gypski
Can you explain how the random selection in evolution works?
Personally i dont give a flying fark what, when, why, where, which, and how WE got here. why bother? dont yall realize that everyone of us is DARN unique and precious since we come from A SPERM and AN EGG. Most of males constantly jack off everyday and billions billions of sperms swim n seek for the egg in vain. Every sperm wasted could be you yet its someone else Even ovaries ovulate every month. Somehow every one of us came to the world for a reason. oneof billions of gametes. the chances of coming to life is slim def shows everyone of you is unique. just something to think abt. i rather to live a life. i abide the motto: life is a trip: self-explanatory :jointsmile::thumbsup:
blueblazer... funny video link! good stuff...
as far as arguing with religious folks who use logic like "i don't understand this so it must be god..." there is no reasoning with them. they are essentially the same people who said science was crazy by claiming that the earth is not the center of the universe, that the sun overhead was a god riding a chariot, that jesus christ was coming again in the year 2000, etc...
i have learned to let them live in their constricted little worlds of narrow rules and views that make them feel safe about the fact that death is coming for them and there is no way around... let's make up a fairytale about a nice place in the sky that makes us not feel scared.
the greatest hypocrisy is that most of these people say they believe and follow jesus and by reading through their posts i can clearly see that they understand NOTHING about what jesus was about.
this is from over twenty years of formerly following christianity which led me to attend seminary which led me to actually study the bible for myself and not just listen to people tell me on sunday's what it said. 3 years of seminary and studying the bible clearly led me to see that it is just another attempt of humankind to understand the unknown.
it has good ideas like "love your neighbor as yourself" and crappy ideas like the many places it condones slavery and sexist treatment of women. if you give it a true study, you will see it is the work of humankind through and through.
I'm with you man. My father was a preacher and I grew up in the church. I've read the bible cover to cover more than once. It would greatly disturb many "New Testament" Christians to actually read what the Old Testament god was like.Quote:
Originally Posted by hazetwostep
You're also right that it's useless to argue with those folks who believe in god. I just can't help myself sometimes.
my fellow PK blueblazer! i knew i liked you for some reason... haha.. we share a bond that nobody could understand who isn't a PK.
i can't help myself either even though trying to reason with most religious people is like trying to knock down a mountain by beating your head against it! i use to fully buy into that whole scene so there is a part of me that believes there is hope for reason to win out over dogma. if most christian arguments had a source references it would look like this:
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1. My pastor
2. It just makes sense to me
3. My pastor
4. Random Bible verse taken out of context from a book that i "know" is god's word because it says it is (beautiful circular logic)
5. Random Christian website
6. Sunday school class
7. Grandma told me
8. My pastor
it still amazes me that people (like i use to) believe so strongly in something they never really look into very much themselves. i have read through the whole bible cover to cover 3 or 4 times but that is not even all that valuable. since it is a collection of books and letters it is much better to read them side by side and not one after the other. that is when all the flaws and wholes and inconsistencies really shine! once you read the 4 gospels side by side comparing parallel stories to each other you will be amazed at all the contradictions in a supposed flawless book!!!
comparing the god of the old testament and the god of the new testament truly is amazing too like you said. "I am the LORD, I change not." Malachi 3:6. the way people try to justify the OT god and the NT god with this scripture is baffling!
Amen to that (pardon my pun). :DQuote:
Originally Posted by hazetwostep
I was fortunate to be brought up in the more "intellectual" as opposed to "emotional" approach to religion. My father was a Presbyterian minister.
He believed in his god, but he was very open minded towards my doubts and even helped me study other religions. I had friends who had the opposite and I always felt real sorry for them.
Being a PK in a small town gives you notoriety that isn't always welcome, but it opened the doors to quite a few young ladies whose mothers and fathers didn't fear a thing from the PK. Heh heh heh
hahahaha... heard you on the blazer!:thumbsup:
The funny thing is you cannot PROVE with science that there isn't a God, and I can PROVE there is! ... with DNA for example!Quote:
Originally Posted by hazetwostep
What's that? Did I hear a troll just now? :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by chris62008
you can prove it??? wow, i stand corrected then in that case but i am surprised that you are not a bit more famous for finding hard scientific data like that and not just personal opinion like most religious people argue with statements like "wow, this is so complex then it must have been made by god."Quote:
Originally Posted by chris62008
could you explain a bit about DNA to me and how you found something that no other scientist has found yet??? if they did i am sure it would be a big deal and have headlines on every newspaper and news channel saying something like...
"Scientist Found DNA 100% Proves God Exists! The great debate is now done!"
must have missed that one! ((cough cough))
TROLL TROLL TROLL TROLL
now did that magic DNA also tell you which religion's god is the one real god??? christian, muslim, wicka, etc??? you have me hanging on the edge of my intellectual seat! :rasta:
I told you man, DNA has proven Bacchus is the real god.Quote:
Originally Posted by hazetwostep
Humans are hardwired in their DNA to want to party down and Bacchus is the party god, so . . .
As soon as I publish my findings, you'll see some pretty interesting headlines. :stoned:
Today, many religious denominations accept that biological evolution has produced the diversity of living things over billions of years of Earth??s history. Many have issued statements observing that evolution and the tenets of their faiths are compatible. Scientists and theologians have written eloquently about their awe and wonder at the history of the universe and of life on this planet, explaining that they see no conflict between their faith in God and the evidence for evolution. Religious denominations that do not accept the occurrence of evolution tend to be those that believe in strictly literal interpretations of religious texts. ?
??Science, Evolution, and Creationism, National Academy of Sciences[10]
i'm not trying to argue that evolution doesn't exist and never has! I'm just letting you guys know that it was DESIGNED to happen. It does'nt happen randomly. AT ALL!!! NEVER!!!!
no the DNA doesnt' tell you that. The HOLY BIBLE tells you that.. and the Holy Bible is actually verrryy acurate when it comes to science today my freindQuote:
Originally Posted by hazetwostep
Back to your bridge you evil troll. You have no power here . . .
My response is that when Creationists talk about God creating every individual species as a separate act, they always instance hummingbirds, or orchids, sunflowers and beautiful things. But I tend to think instead of a parasitic worm that is boring through the eye of a boy sitting on the bank of a river in West Africa, [a worm] that's going to make him blind. And [I ask them], 'Are you telling me that the God you believe in, who you also say is an all-merciful God, who cares for each one of us individually, are you saying that God created this worm that can live in no other way than in an innocent child's eyeball? Because that doesn't seem to me to coincide with a God who's full of mercy'
David Attenborough :thumbsup:
CORRECT! Chris this is the first accurate thing you've said - indeed it doesn't happen randomly - and here is where you show your true ignorance of the theory.Quote:
Originally Posted by chris62008
I'm going to guess you haven't studied biological evolution, specifically natural selection and genetics - if you did you would know it isn't random - not at all. Lets go to school....
Natural selection is driven by the environment - it literally 'selects' the best ('fittest' if you like) life form - which through the nature of its 'success' is able to pass on those genes. As the environment changes so do selection pressures which 'choose' the best organism for the environment at that time. No organism is good/bad or better/worse it all depends on the environment at the time.
As the environment changes continually and mutagenic changes work their way into an organisms' genome you have the mechanism for evolution. That isn't random at all - the 'guiding hand' is the environment.
On the subject of DNA I??ll come out and say it: DNA did not give rise to the first life. Yikes! like nobody thought that before. DNA has no way of being part of the very first life form because DNA makes RNA make protein makes DNA. Without proteins, you can??t make more DNA.
By itself, DNA is relatively inert. It doesn??t do anything special unless there??s the cellular framework around to utilise the information encoded within its nucleotide sequence. As such, DNA could not have existed in the first organism.
But doesn??t this falsify Darwinian evolution? Uh, no, it doesn??t. The main reason is that evolution doesn??t predict that DNA was present in the first lifeform at all. This was simply something that scientists thought could be true, but the mechanisms of mutation and natural selection do not in any conceivable way hinge on DNA being present in the first lifeform. As such, it??s not a prediction made by evolutionary theory, and its falsification has no bearing on the truth of evolution.
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so hitler had it right all along nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta9 UK
I have no idea what you are talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by throatstick
Hitler didn't get anything right - he didn't even understand natural selection at all but he was a dirty great big fan of Eugenics - and a total asshole.
Besides we are only on page 5 - you can't bring up Hitler just yet and invoke Godwins Law - we aren't done yet!
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Originally Posted by psychocat
A god that cares about the continuation of lif must understnd better than any HUMAN could, that not every life is necessary, not every life needs be lead/lived, and not every life is beneficial to the other lives around it.
The horrid events of today might just be the precursor for the utopian events of tomorrow, but if we are to make it a reality, we must learn jsut how much of life is necessarily important to be lived, and how much of life is truly terrible to have lost.
"God" would know, better than any of us could figure out.
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Originally Posted by chris62008
Speaking of talking in (BIG) circles...
"you have to, because of my logical understanding of it" is just another circle, isnt it?
""and I can PROVE there is! ... with DNA for example!""
The burden of proof rests in your hands...
How, exactly, does the existence of any matter or energy prove that someone CREATED matter and/or energy?