Yes that is a PH issue.Go ahead and drop it a few point's we'll see how that goes.Aside from that they look way better.
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Yes that is a PH issue.Go ahead and drop it a few point's we'll see how that goes.Aside from that they look way better.
Dive:stoned:
@Divestoned - Awsome, I'll nock it down later today when the lights turn on at 8pm EST. I thought it was the lights causing it at first but after everyone was telling me to drop the lights on top of them and explained the whole light situation to me it wasn't making sense why they would be curling like that. I've seen in a sick plant guide where curling light that could be due to a heat issue so I just assumed that was what was going on although my lights hardly put out any heat at all.
On a side note, I saw a discussion about UVB...I'm really not sure what got me reading it in the first place but....one of the posters mentioned he was using T5 VHO (Very High Output) where he's pushing like 85W through a regular T5 HO bulb thats rated for 53W like I'm using. I need to investigate this more and post my findings. I know I'd have to replace my ballast at that point and I'm starting to think I might as well go with like HID/HPS if I'm going to replace my ballast anyways but I'll see what I kind find.
One last question...if these were AK-47 for sure, would they be really stinky at this point? I mean, the largest of the plants is over 12 inchs now and my first grow I tried in the old tent seemed more stinky than these have been so far...Of course my first grow was like a one of those assorted jelly belly bags or something of swag seeds..I had no clue what any of them were and I think they were all different lol. Course they died a horrible death in the old tent.
bert,
it is okay to mix the lights up, go blue red blue red ect.
yes drop the ph and let it slowly rise to about 6ish before recorrecting it if you have to at all.
yes it will stink i would get a filter soon!
85 watts through a 53 watt light? I dunno but it don"t sound safe to me.
I bet the bulb has a shorter lifespan.
Get a hps sodium instead of new ballasts.
Full strength now. They are really starting to take off now, Good job!
Keep it up bert they look great!
Subzero :thumbsup:
Just a thought.
Those went in as seeds didn't they??
If so, you will need to start looking for males soon, they will likely be the tallest skinniest ones.
Subzero :)
@subzero - ok thats what I thought about the lights. I'll have to go buy a couple more of the red ones. Luckly they aren't too expensive. Hmmm...I've seen alot of different creative suggestions about carbon filters, is there any particular brand or design of carbon filter you recommend?
Yea after this grow I'm definately going HPS and prolly HID. I really don't want to have to deal with heat again so I'll definately be growing mainly in the cooler months.
You think I should continue to use grow for 2 more weeks? I was thinking about going straight bloom this comming weekend....
Couldn't have done it without your help man....definately to obscure for me to have figured it out on my own! This is really exciting, I've never seen such good plants in my tent haha.
Yes they are seeds....Thats why I decided to flip them to 12/12 yesterday so I could sex them but I'm just going to keep them 12/12 from now on. Isn't that considered SOG...going 12/12 early I mean with alot of plants instead of growing a few large ones? Topping sounds interesting but I need to get the basics down and maybe a successful harvest or 3 under my belt.
Bert,
10 days from the day you start flowering would be my choice for veg nutes, get as many roots down as possible.
Carbon filters come in many shapes, sizes and prices. I buy the cheapest that i can get as long as they are refillable. You dont need to worry so much if you have to repack it once a year using a cheaper one. rather than pay alot more for a 18month or 2 year one that you could also repack.
Sea of green really is about lots of small plants (probably 50 in your space)
usually clones are flowered as soon as they are rooted. You dont really have enough plants and you vegged for a week(ish),to be called sea of green but it dont matter what style anyway.
When one of your plants start to stretch pinch out the top above 2 nodes on the main stem just to see the result on a finished plant as an experiment. it will show you some helpful info for future grows.
Looking good.
Gotta eat now. :thumbsup:
Subzero
Ooops forgot, you have enough lumens of t5s to veg in my opinion without a Hid (mh). Get a 600w hps sodium ( i would reccomend a sunmaster dual spectrum), not a 1000 if heat is your main problem after the filter is sorted out.
Food now,
Subzero
@syde00 - Thanks for the complement lol. I miss playing EQ, it was really a great game...I have sense moved on though. Sorry for not replying to this sooner I must of missed it.
@subzero - Hey man. Yea for this particular grow I'm just going to bring that other 4 light ballast in maybe today or tommorow with 4 MH. I think I'm going to mount it on the left side of the tent below the fan slightly angled so that the undergrowth will receive more light. Once I start up again in the fall, by that time I should have enouph to afford a new light. I'm kinda torn on what I want to spend my money on because although I want to go RO and stuff a light is probably more important and I think I'm going to have to prioritize what I want instead of going hog wild and buying up a bunch of shit at once again. I really think I'll need some more practice before I starting adding more things into the mix but for some reason RO just seems really attractive to me but so far just straight tap has been working out fine.
About topping...so what your saying is for me to pinch off the middle node of the main stem where its comming out in a 3 node right? Like...one node is a leaf going left, the other going right and then the one in the middle...I would pinch off the one in the middle? On this subject however I really did screw myself early on because I wasn't using the light I wanted too, and was too gun shy about the light burning the seeldings up so they streched way to much, not to mention that were in the tent from the very beginning so this has really been less than optimal for at least 4 weeks I believe? Before I went rebuilding the tent and such.
Welp, I'm rambling again...on a last note, that nute deficiency I said I saw, well I upped the nutes to 3tsp/gal. and they are already back with the new growth all nice and darker green instead of that splotchy yellow stuff so that was definately what was going on there. I haven't yet noticed the changes of the lowered PH yet.
Bert, If it were me I would forget ro for a minute, get some hw ionic. your water is working fine. RO is another learning curve, I know it sounds great but if you arent careful and experienced with it you will get defficincies as most hydro nutes are made for tap with some micronutes already in it, especially ionic. You need to get a couple of grows in before you start changing too much, too fast. The day for RO will come!
You need, in this order
1 carbon filter. I can't stress this enough, :asskick: get on it before it gets really smelly. you only need one person to smell it and its game over my friend.
2 Proper light for flowering.
3 Get some ventilation in some how, or an air conditioner (propery installed for this application) for next grow.
Yes topping, the idea is to take the middle out between the 2 nodes. Where you have taken the top out, the 2 nodes become tops (2 for 1), if when the nodes turn to branches and you repeat, it doubles again, ect,ect. You get a short bushy plant with lots of tops. Lots of threads around so just google it.
I'm more of a bender than a topper!
Subzero.
@subzero - I will definately have a carbon filter by this weekend. I did just walk in the room (lights still out) and I got a pretty solid whif of some skunky so it's getting close.
I know this going to fly in the face of your recommendations but I just don't have the money to afford a 600W HPS right now, or any for that matter. I'm going to have to go with what I've got and hope for the best. I will take a picture of my ballast later this week so you can see exactly what these red spectrum T5 look like.
I had earlier mentioned that we had kept the door open since there is no ventilation going in the room, but to further develop that statement...I have a box fan at the entrance where there door is blowing air in...and there is an airconditioner not far behind this box fan so its blowing fairly cool air into the room 24/7 right now. I think my biggest hurtle is going to be containing the smell. I think my main issue is that the ozone machine works great but I'm having to leave the door open and the exhaust right now just stops at the top of the tent blowing into the room. Now in the fall when I had some stinky plants in there I had the door shut and the ozone machine did a fine job killing the smell with the door shut but now that its open that a whole nother problem.
I'm actually trying to think of something semi-creative where I could build that ozone generator into the pipeline of some kind of exhaust from the tent cause those things really do work great the only downside I see to it is that its got an internal 15 minute timer that makes it shut off every 15 minutes so I'm trying to figure out how to work around that. I could just as easily go buy the specially made ones for grow tents from the grow store but I was wondering if they really had mj in mind when making it because I've seen another one purchased from a grow store and it didn't seem to make a difference at all from what I could tell. Thats why I was kind of interested in some kind of home-made jobby that I might be able to incorporate that ozone so: 1) I'm not just exhausting in the room 2) safety with the ozone maker cause I can exhaust where I want it too and I have some kitties. I was even thinking of something like...exhaust into a plywood box that has the ozone generator in it (or some type of encloser) then that gets blown into a charcoal filter, and then exhausted out after that. So maybe the charcoal filter would also filter that ozone as well to kill some of that chlorinated smell it creates. What you think eh?
Yea I think topping would probably be a good idea for my setup too, maybe even cut down on the amount of plants I'm growing. I'll have to start researching that, I've been spending most of my time looking at flowering cycle and harvesting information recently. Speaking of, how do you typically harvest? I know you said about a 10 day flush. From all that I've read I was going to do flush for 7-10 days maybe, hang em for about a week till the snap off, put them in brown paper bag for another 3-5 days then airtight container for I don't know how long. Does that sound about right (I'm really getting ahead of myself here aren't I? lol)?
bert,
the carbon filter will get rid of your smell problem 99.99% as long as you dont have many leaks on the tent. you can run the exhaust fan all the time now your roots are down. i have an ozone generator and hardly use it ever.
You must suck through the filter not blow.
The light... I appreciate you cant afford this all at once. the lights you have now should do the job this time. but I was really trying to put you off ro water as a priority, other things would better your grow for the money.
On the subject of topping, some strains don't like it, chronic for example, produces less when topped so get to know the strain before you go too crazy!
Yes, sounds like a good way to harvest, cool, dry and dark.
Subzero.
@subzero - Well I've made my mind up for a carbon filter...I think I'm going to go with this DIY one HERE. You think it will be just as good as any other one? I don't see why not...I think its pure genius...should be fun to build :thumbsup:
I'm it total agreement with you about the water man. I think for now investing in lights is more of a priority than RO water. I need to get the hang of just growing with what I've got first before I get too fancy and RO water is probably a little to rich for my blood right now with my lack of experience.
:apachecopter:
Also, something else I ment to add...I'm hoping my plants show their sex soon, its getting pretty crowded in there. They have now been in 4 days on 12/12...today will be the 5th starting at 8pm. I also got that 20k lumin ballast installed yesterday right below the box fan at a 45 degree angle. I'll take some pictures of my setup after I get that carbon filter built and installed. I think I'm just going to go buy the parts today.
Thats quite the diy endeavor! should work fine though. :thumbsup:
They will show sex soon, have patience. look for balls on the tallest ones,at the nodes they will probably show first (the males).
good luck with the filter.
Subzero :)
So....I retake my comment about that carbon filter being fun to build. My hands make me look like I just got out of a bar fight where glass was involved...:blueknife:
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Look's real nice Bert,Good Job.
Dive:stoned:
Nice job bert! Let me know how it is working!
When you mentioned building one i thought it may be a bit more difficult than expected but it looks really good. how much did it cost to make in the end?
Talk soon
Subzero.
Thanks guys! It was harder than I thought it was going to be. Biggest problem was, you have to buy a single spool of the chicken wire so I had to cut it down, which left sharp edges that I bent down so the panty hose wouldn't get runs but it ended up acting as hooks when I screwed up and had to pull the panty hose off again. I actually ruined 3 legs that I had cut up in the process. My recommendation that would have made it way easier and I wouldn't have got so damn bloodied up was to go shop at the "Big Lady" store and bought some big ass panty hose that could actually fit over a 6" diameter chicken wire cylinder. I bought the Q+ size from a regular supermarket store. I was the largest size they had, and was definately not big enouph. I think this would have been alot easier if I had bigger panty hose. Total cost ~90 USD. I bought some other shit at the hardware store but subtracting that, yea roughly $90, maybe a little less. Activated carbon was over $30 by itself so I think thats pretty reasonable. I think next time I'm going to wait and see if there is sell at the pet store to go buy that carbon. I can already tell that its making a difference. What little odor there was so far its definately neutralized. I'll have to give an update on it as the the plants progress. Oh, one other thing I forgot about...I ended up using a 3" plumbing end cap instead of the recommended 4" and I'll tell you why. The reducer I found (only one they had) didn't have that lip on the inside so I shoved the chicken wire all the way to the inside of the 4" side of the reducer and the chicken wire around the 3" cap fit perfectly inside there. The 6" chicken wire cyclinder I measured 1/2" above the inside cylinder, I think it was roughly 11" height. If anyone decides to do this I hope that helps. Cheers!
Some bad news guys. I just pulled 8 plants of the 12. All males. The remaining four, 2 are definately females, other two not sure yet but they are looking like males also. Would herms show themselves this early? I'm thinking there is a chance these two are if that is the case because they were so stressed till just resently. I think I may put my 20gal. reservoir and smaller flood table in the tent and push these two females to harvest. I may just say screw it and grow through the summer =p. Do it right this time probably get alot better results now that I think I've figured out what all my problems have been. I feel alot more confident I could do alot better with my next grow.
Something else I haven't mentioned but if you are wondering why those plants exploded so quickly after fixing the tent...I started running CO2 in there. When I started it was recommended to me. I have a regulator specifically for hydro but my tank ran out cause I used it on a previous grow and used most of it then. I keep it specifically for the size tent with the chart that comes with the regulator, which is not much really. I did 15 minutes of CO2, 15 minutes of no exhaust, then exhaust kicks on 15 minutes after CO2 shuts off. 7 rotations a a light cycle.
Hi bert,
Sorry to hear about your males, I was worried as you know about the quality of seed stock you are using. If they came from a female that had some seeds chances are they have hermie genes in at least some of em.
Femaleseeds.nl has some female ak seeds, they are the only female seed co that I would trust.
The co2 is great and you can run higher temps with it, but really it is something else that newbee's buy before they get their head around growing.
I used to use it but the heat from a big sodium when your fan is off for 15 min will stress the plants more than the good it will do imo. I used it for a while but the expense outweighed the benifit for my application.
The explosive growth was down to the fact that you finally got some roots down, not so much the co2 for such small plants, there is enough co2 in the air with your door open and a fan blowing in to grow out those 2 plants without it, should you go that root!
What I would do now is grow out the ones you have now (females) get some good seeds, start them all, put them in soil, take 2 clones off each one, flower the ones in soil to select the females, keep the corresponding female clones as moms. grow them until you have enough female clones on your best mom and use them for your next grow. your looking at probably 10 weeks before you could start again this way but you will end up with only the best females in your next grow and you will have something to smoke in the mean time.
I don't think that stress from the tent would affect stable genetics, (my females didnt hermie after recovery from the poison gas chamber i had)
Bert, you really need to do things by the book, problems like you are having is why most people give up and do not grow. Rule number 1 get reliable genetics. Look at the time, effort, and stress you have endured just to find out that you have a room full of males, I bet you would spend 20 bucks each on some female clones right now wouldn't you? I know the equiptment, seeds, electric ect is expensive but you get what you pay for in most cases and you need to get it right before you drive yourself nuts trying to overcome unnessesary problem after problem. This for example would never happen the way I explain because you have seen the moms growing all through their lifecycle and ther will be no surprises when it comes to a full clone crop.
Not trying to burst your bubble but you need to get it right,I have stayed around this site long enough to help you out and I feel almost as bad as you do about about these babies being males! It is like they are my babies too somehow and I was confident that your problems were behind you until you hit this wall that nobody can help you with, a male is a male.
Don't give up my friend, get some seeds and get them going.
Keep the females you have or you will regret it as soon as you cut them down.
Orr, just an afterthought, take some clones off the females you have now. watch the moms to make sure they dont hermie an if they dont, use the clones as clone mothers for your next grow. I would get some decent seeds though in case they do hermie.
Thats enough rambling for me for a minute,
Let me know what you decide to do.
Have patience,
Subzero :)
@subzero - Thanks alot first of all for all the help and sticking around to help me out along the way....your assistance has been priceless. I do believe now that I'm starting to get on the right track of things and I believe my next grow will have much better results due to all your help.
I think I've made my mind up to a degree so far. I'm going to continue growing out these two females for sure...I'm just going to swap the reservoir and flood table with my 20gal. reservoir and 2x2 table....no use using a 40gal. reservoir and 2x4' flood table for 2 plants..plus its alot easier to manage.
The only rub about the clones...I may have some Red Diesel clones headed my way not to long from now that I'm confindent are from good genetics. I would prefer to grow these over what I'm working with now but....I really like your idea about cloning my existing plants. I should find out in the next couple of weeks what the time line for those Diesel clones will be but I think in the mean time I'm going to try my hand at taking some clones off my existing females here and see what I can come up with. It would be good practice at the very least for when I do either get a good solid clone like I believe these Red Diesel's will be or otherwise I'll be doing a continous grow and not have to worry about seeds for the immediate (all considering they don't turn hermie on me).
I will say this, it has been stressful, exhausting, and down right frustrating. I think alot of it was due to the toxic tents...but I'm really happy all the hard work that I poored into this particular grow because I have learned so much...enouph that I think I can pull off a successful grow the next time around. Now, everything is in place with the exception of me rebuilding that other tent for a clone mother.
I'm going to wait till I get news about these Red Diesel clones before I make my final decision on the clones though I think...it would just be better if I used those over what I'm working with now. Plus it will give me more time to get that tent set up and thats going to put more pressure on me dropping some more cash on lights and its still pretty tight right now. That x4 ballast I have in my main tent was going to used for my clone mother tent.
Well, alot of things for me to decide lol. I hadn't thought about getting into the whole cloning buisness so soon but it really makes the most sense. I do have cloning hormones already so I'm at least partially prepared..and I've seen a cloning process in person that is at the bare minimum 70% affective period. I'd say more like 90% honestly. If that piques your curiosity, if and when I get around to taking clones I can take pictures to show you the method. I have yet to see any grow video/online tutorial/etc. show it this way. They always tell you take like 40+ clones are something rediculous like that. Well you said two clones per plant so it sounds like you know what your doing. so Nevermind, lol....now I'm rambling. Well, I'm going to see if I can get some info on these RD clones maybe this weekend to kind of speed the process up here. I'll take some photo's this weekend up my tent after I swap the reservoir and flood table out. By that time the other two questionable plants should have shown there sex so I can either keep or pull them for sure. Have a good one! :trooper:
Forgot to mention in subzero but, femaleseeds.nl only delivers to European countries with the exception of Germany.
Gypsy Nirvana's Seed Boutique
They sell them here bert, not much variety here but they do post to the usa, so if you are actually in canada i can't see a problem either.
Red diesel sounds like a great option.
Subzero.
Bert, you want to take clones asap before they get too far into flower, otherwise you will have to wait until they switch back into veg mode.
heres what you do until you get your clone tent up and running.
soak 4 small cubes in ph 5.5 water leave overnight
next day make new smaller holes in the rw cubes with a toothpick at an angle about 1/2 inch deep. I find the existing holes dont hold the stems tight enough.
shake the excess water out of the cubes.
take a clone, cut at the longest angle as you can just below the 3rd node.
you should have a top then 2 leaves then a cut, about 3" long yes?
dip the cutting in the hormone and blow off the excess.
put the cutting into the toothpick hole at an angle, tight.
now get 4x 10 oz white styrofoam cups (disposable coffee cups) place the clone in the rockwool in a ring of damp white paper towel inside the cup, the ring of pt simply holds the cube from falling around, got me so far?
now get an elastic band and some saran wrap, spray the clone with water and cover the top of the cup with the plastic wrap and seal it over with the e/b, airtight.
go to the hardware store and get a couple of cool white (blue spectrum0, flourescent screw in bulbs, do you know the ones, the 3 loop energy saver ones? Equivelant to 100w (ish), get some lampholders that you can screw to a wooden frame that you need to also make about 1ft square. mount 1 at one end and the other opposite. got me? you could put some legs on too so the lamps are about 12in above the floor. also a piece of cardboard over the top and 4 sides if you want.
put the cups with clones and airtight lid under the lights 18/6 for 10-14 days, dont move them or open the tops for at least 10 days, they should have condensation on the top throughout, after 10 days put some (3 or 4)holes with a sharp pencil throught the saran wrap, leave for 4 more days.
remove the plastic and....
Presto, rooted clones with little expense and low energy.
Put them in soil and keep em as moms.
They might wilt for 24 hours but should perk up if all is well.
After 72 hours of cloning, if they arent looking dead, they WILL root if you are patient, dont move them and dont look at them every 5 minutes!
Let me know what you think
Subzero :)
I like your recommendation sub. Only problem I'm running into here is when the clones are ready to trasplant into a tent, I'm still using the 4 slot ballast for my flowering females in there right now. So basically I won't have a light for the clones once they are big enouph to transplant right now unless somehow those two females are ready to harvest by that point. Btw, I like that website, seems like a big enouph selection to me. I think when I do decided to go from seed again thats where I'll start. I need to look at prices on ballast and other lights but I'm not seeing me having the money for it right now. What you think I should do?
you could always just get some fluro tubes for your clones and just shelve them somewheres....Quote:
Originally Posted by bertoxxulous
But if money is an issue, then just work with what you got and try the cloning next time...After the harvest you can then purchase need-bees for your cloning section. Take it a step at a time and always remember that PATIENCE IS A VIRTUE
yo bert,
sucks about the males! sorry.
i just did sour diesel and its a great producer and knocks you on your ass. it took about 10/11 weeks to finish and the strech phase was at least 4 weeks so dont over veg. i vegged like 5-6days and finished about 4ft tall.
if you know the clones are quality i would clone off of those and try seeds when your ready for something else to smoke. but i would do what sub said and take a few cuttings now for practice even if you dont use them.
i normally top as early as i can. once i start vegging the clones its about 5-7 days. i just wait until theres 4 nice new nodes and strip off the 2 bottom nodes that made up the clone before, then pinch off what would have been the 5th node. you dont get any cuttings doing it this way so with this blue cheese i left more like 6-7 nodes and then topped. tonight i just took cuttings from the extra bottom 2-3 branches.
i think i snapped a few pics with my phone while i was topping...i'll check.
i also took a pic of the door/vent idea i had a while back if you want to try and vent the future 600 hoods.
if that tray is the size of the lights i would keep it in there and try to spread those 2-4 ladies out. it might be too late for one of those scrog net things but you can still bend them with twist ties and maybe supercrop later. i would drill 1/4in holes in the lip around the edge of the tray and get a roll of twist ties, tie one end to the part of the plant you want to bend then pull it in the direction you want it to bend, figure out which hole to tie it off to cut just a little extra. thread the twist tie through the hole and tie it off. it may look funny at first laying sideways but the top of the branch will turn toward the light before you know it.
i just did this 2 nights ago at a buddys place.
well back to work for me.
Hi Bert,
I was thinking that the clones you take would be your new mothers, IE you are going to take clones off them not flower them. I have a mother JTR that is 2 years old and is only 10 inches tall (through low light,light feeding and pruning). If you took clones now, in about 5 weeks these new mothers would be ready to take clones from, those new clones will take 10-14 days to root properly.That is about 7 weeks of time from now that you would be ready to put them in a tent. Correct? you have been flowering the ones you have now for a week already and ak47 is about an 8 week strain so now is the time to take your moms if you want ak 47 clones for your next grow. Is this a bit clearer?
The site ain't bad, the lack of selection i pointed out was specificly for the femaleseeds.nl selection they have. Your best bet on there would be ww/bb,IMO. I have read good things about that strain. Stay away from GHS.
Hope this clarifies things a bit.
Subzero :thumbsup:
Icbh, good to hear from you again!
I was thinking the same about dropping the tray size but I thought it best not to complicate things any more! Tieing them down as you said is a good idea, so bert if you are going to do this keep the big tray in there otherwise you wont have tying points in the right place.
I like your door Icbh, let us know what you think of the cheese.
Subzero :thumbsup:
the cheese has been a bit of a challenge so far. the clone guy it turns out took them post flower and about 4 of them had buds starting to set. :mad: that stunted them a few days under the 400mh. then i think i got some bad superthrive trying to bring them out of their shock. it turned the mix all cloudy and f-ed up the ph. flushed and another stunt for a few days. they look great now under the 1000hps. about 12in tall going into pots tomorrow and flip in a few days.
i did the cuttings in 1in plastic lined rockwool cubes soaked only for a few hours in aprox 5.5ph (i normally soak for at least 12hrs but...). i stuffed those in a tray insert and put that in a solid tray. the insert is not made for those cubes and i soaked the cubes before putting them so they are a tight fit and they sit way up in the insert. the tray sits on a heat mat in a cabinet in the laundry room. a dome covers the tray and the vents are half open. they look great after 24hrs.
hey sub, when you take cuttings from your moms how many nodes do you want to leave on the moms branch after you take the cutting. like if theres a branch that you want to clone with like 6 nodes and your clone will take up the three at the top 3-4in that would leave 3 nodes that will take over as the main branch. is that too many or not enough? i just dont want my mom to be too much of a bush. not that i dont like a nice bush.
heres a homemade 3m heppa filter for intake
Alrighty guys. Got the info on getting some clones so here it goes: Got some G13xHaze clones comming but its going to be a couple months from now probably. It turns out, of the 4 plants in my tent, it looks like 3 are females, and I pulled the last male last night. I have 6 rockwool cubes soaking in 5.5 PH water. tonight I will be taking 2 clones from each plant. I have a seedling tray, with a humidity dome, and 125W (12,000 lumins) CFL/Ballast that will be used for the clones. In the next two weeks I'll be re-constructing my clone mother tent so by the time they are ready for trasplant into my smaller E&F system everything will be ready. I'll still be short a light cause I'm going to end up using the same light for my seedling tray to veg the clones with but that will give me a much longer time to aquire another light before I'd be taking clones off one of those mothers anyways. I will post pics of all this after everything is said and done.
@icbh707 - I see what u did thar with that heppa filter. Man that "great stuff" expanding foam is such a mess to mess with lol. Thanks for all the pics too. So what your saying is I left my AK-47's grow to big and I should look at bending them over? I can tell you part of the problem...when they were seedlings they were having alot of problems and I kept the lights way up high because I thought I was having heat problems but it was the tents that were the problem....but in the process they got all stretchy.
Hey guys, the website is back up finally after that maintenance. Had some concern there for a moment. Anyways, I will post my pics that I took on Sunday (05/10/09) of my three remaining females and my clones I took later this evening. I haven't taken any pics since then but the clones I took don't look like they have died yet...I would even go as far enough to say they look surprisingly healthy and didn't even seem to really wilt at all so far. I will post updated pics this weekend as well. My females are now showing two large pistils(spelling?) at most of their nodes so maybe couple weeks start seeing some buds hopefully?? Pretty exciting anyways. I honestly didn't think I would be getting this far with these plants with how they were looking a couple of weeks ago in the old tent.
Also, I started the three females on 3/4 strength (3tsp./gal.) Ionic Bloom on Sunday as well. My question is....when should I start using the Ionic Boost? After I get some little button buds is what I was thinking but it doesn't seem to specify on the bottle.
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Start to use the "bloom booster" with first signs of a female. Well at least that is what I do. Some will even go as far as to start using it as soon as they switch to 12/12
icbh,
you guys take way bigger cuttings than i do so you mother will be larger, but yes 3 nodes is enough, you can always top later to bush it out again as it will produce clones more often than you will need them. if you google bonsai moms there is all the info you will need to keep your moms small and healthy.
Nice filter.
bert
Your clones will be okay, you will have plant stock now so you dont need to rely on others anymore should promised clones not materialize.
If you bend (crush the stem till you feel breaking fibers and bend at the same time) at the point that the tallest branches will be the same height as the shortest ones so you have a flat canopy and the bottom branches will become tops as well in a few days. try to bend them so they fill up gaps rather than cover existing lower buds.. After you have bent them all down flat you will think, shit what have i done! but don't worry, they will recover very quickly a few hours to a couple of days, with the light you have you will need to keep all the flowering happening at the top of the canopy as flouros dont penetrate as well as hid's. after a few days the branches will try to grow back up straight, this is when you should tie them back down so the canopy is flat again (as icbh wisely said).
Up the nutes to full strength, plants love ionic, add the boost for week 3 of flowering, it wouldnt hurt to add it sooner but your plants wont use it until you get some proper flowers, it is just adding extra nutes that are already in bloom but in higher quantities when the plants need more.
Look forward to the pics.
Subzero :thumbsup:
Oh and bert,
g13 haze is an 11 weeker, alot more finicky than ak, and a guess says it wont yield as well. I would get a few runs out of your ak until you know how plants react, otherwise you are sort of starting from scratch again and have to learn a new bunch of perameters for the new strain. An experienced grower never gets the best result the first time he grows a strain as each cross is completely different and it takes at least one grow to learn the characteristics of not only the strain but the phenotype.
I would grow what I know if it were me.
Subzero.
Thanks guys for the info. I think I'm going to go ScrOg with these clones except for the one that I pick as a mother. I may even be able to get by with just 2 clones per cycle with going ScrOg but I think its well worth it for my system and since I'm rocking the fluoro's right now. Here are the pics from 05/10/09.
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Hi bert,
the clones look exactly the same as i would do it, are they in trays? if not you should get some or cover the cubes in foil, it will keep the roots in the dark when they start to show. mist the inside of the dome more often than the clones themselves so the r/w doesn't get too wet.
Boy those plants have stretched haven't they?, luckily you don't have huge amounts of foliage otherwise you would struggle with those flouros. next time go with some bigger bags, you must imagine that what is happening up top with the plant is happening with the rootzone as well. I bet those bags are gonna bulge with roots by the time they have finished!
if you want to get the most out of your light you could move the 2 end plants as far to one side of the tray as you can and the middle one opposite, then rub and gently bend the plants over to 90 degrees, tying them to the opposite side of your table. all those side branches would grow verticly from the horizontal main stem in 24 hours. up to you though.
Great work!
Subzero. :)
hey guys,
the reason i asked early on about the height of your tent and topping and such is because at the time you were still vegging untopped when they looked to be about 12in tall. i flip at about 14in topped and the stretch phase at that point is about 2ft with a total height of 3+ft and i knew the tubes would have a hard time getting light to the bottom. sub has talked you through the supercrop method very well. make sure you pinch the stem good or it will snap. the lst method is bending them without the kink in the stem (low stress). also easy to snap a branch doing this so be careful. scrog is lst bending with a screen of some sort but you normally do this earlier in the stretch phase but it may still work. the stretch phase is going to be 40% of the total flower time so keep track of their height and the date they stop stretching and you should have a good idea when to cut.
ps. sub, your right about keeping it simple, i toss around ideas with long time growers all day and forget that at times im talking to people that are just starting out. keeping it simple is always a good idea. when you supercrop or bend, have a splint of some kind and twist ties on your person or another person there to help. if a stem snaps you can fix it with a splint but if the split is open for more than a few seconds it will not grow back together. last time i had a snap my twist ties were 3 ft out of my reach and i had to let go of the branch for a few seconds. it never grew back. when ive put them back together right after the snap they always grow back together.
you should have buds forming in the next few days.
so with the new door vent and 3 1000hps going and no ac it has been 72-80 with temps outside ranging from 60-84. im looking at 97f on sunday and the humi is at 25-35% already. im going to put a swamp cooler in there to see what happens. could make too much humi but if so ill install my ac unit. going to check for light leaks today and then flip tomorrow.
not sure whats going on with GH?!!!! i mix fresh and set my ph at 5.7, dont water just let it sit over night, 24hrs later its at 7.0.!!! i think i got a bad batch or my testers fucked up. im calling the store today and going to get the GH reps phone #.
looking good bert! :thumbsup:
hey,
looks like you took the cuttings from the upper branches. i would take them from the smaller bottom branches that dont produce that much bud anyway. also lower branches make better clones.
check out the side view of my cheese. there are 4 main branches after topping (i could use 3 and cut out the fourth as it never gets very tall, a fifth branch would be useless) and a fifth small branch, that little gal is my cutting.
Mmmmm, yes
I think the reason he cloned from the top was my fault, :( i mentioned that I clone from the top but i meant from my moms, to keep them small. In this case i would have cloned from the bottom too. they make better clones from the bottom because they are the oldest shoots, also they wont get any light if you kept them on,I absolutely agree. In the case of bonsai moms the lower growth does become woody hence cloning from the top. Sorry for the confusion.
btw i know people who only clone from the top so don't sweat it you haven't fucked up bert!
Take care,
Subzero :stoned: