BREAKING NEWS! McCain is suspending his campaign and is asking Obama to do the same!

The campaigners arriving in washington for the PHOTO-OP seemed to derail the progress being made. From my understanding it became a game of who got credit and showmanship. The day before they arrived all that was reported said they "almost" have agreed on a plan. Then as soon as McCain's Photo-Op ended everyone came pouring out of the meeting saying, 'NO PLAN'.

How exactly did this benefit our country and not just attempt to benefit McCain in the eyes of the ignorant and uneducated? Oh yeah, a real important looking meeting happened:thumbsup:

I'm glad the debate will go on, but part of me was looking forward to the laugh-out-loud hillarious prospect of McCain not showing and Ole Miss hosting a 5-million-dollar Obama town-hall meeting!

That would have been the end for McCain. By showing up, he can now delay the end for approximately 2 hours!

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Originally Posted by dragonrider

Speaking of games, I was going to do a smoking game with a hit each time McCain says "My Friends..," but I actually want to see the end.

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:S2: i donno why but this is just funny... i bet u will be baked as fu*k by the time he is done speaking :D:D

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Originally Posted by allrollsin21

The campaigners arriving in washington for the PHOTO-OP seemed to derail the progress being made. From my understanding it became a game of who got credit and showmanship. The day before they arrived all that was reported said they "almost" have agreed on a plan. Then as soon as McCain's Photo-Op ended everyone came pouring out of the meeting saying, 'NO PLAN'.

How exactly did this benefit our country and not just attempt to benefit McCain in the eyes of the ignorant and uneducated? Oh yeah, a real important looking meeting happened:thumbsup:

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It was even worse than that. Several hours before the White House meeting, Senate leaders fromm BOTH SIDES held a joint news conference and said they had an agreement, and they didn't even need the White House meeting. McCain arrived and immediately he went to speak with the House Republicans --- House, not the Senate where he is a member. When the White House meeting happened, everyone was blindsided by disagreement and new demands form these same House Republicans. I am of the opinion that he intentionally blew this thing up.

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Originally Posted by flyingimam

:S2: i donno why but this is just funny... i bet u will be baked as fu*k by the time he is done speaking :D:D

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Ha ha! I'm not really gonna do it --- I wouldn't even make it through the opening remarks!

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Originally Posted by RobPA

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Its ridiculous because its scare tactics without substance.

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Again I ask why is it ridiculous? What substance is it lacking? Do I need to explain how it could happen? Or prove that it's even a possibility? What substance can I offer that you would not dismiss as ridiculous as well? My guess is there is nothing I could post that would ever be substantial enough to validate my view in your eyes.

This is scary but it is no tactic. I'm not trying to scare anyone to do what I want or say to do. That's the job of someone in power, just watch your TV to find those people. ;) I have no reason to scare people, it's just these really are very scary times. I'm sorry you're uncomfortable with that. It's dismissive statements such as yours that truly lack substance. It must be freeing to be able to dismiss someone else's viewpoint without consideration simply because it makes you uncomfortable.

Blessed be~

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Originally Posted by GoddessHerb

Again I ask why is it ridiculous? What substance is it lacking? Do I need to explain how it could happen? Or prove that it's even a possibility? What substance can I offer that you would not dismiss as ridiculous as well? My guess is there is nothing I could post that would ever be substantial enough to validate my view in your eyes.

This is scary but it is no tactic. I'm not trying to scare anyone to do what I want or say to do. That's the job of someone in power, just watch your TV to find those people. ;) I have no reason to scare people, it's just these really are very scary times. I'm sorry you're uncomfortable with that. It's dismissive statements such as yours that truly lack substance. It must be freeing to be able to dismiss someone else's viewpoint without consideration simply because it makes you uncomfortable.

Blessed be~

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Earlier you mentioned that your original post had a facetious tone, but you want your idea to be considered seriously. Maybe people were reacting to the tone, so let's get past that.

Taking your idea seriously, do you really think that Bush might try to precipitate a real crisis of this scale, or manufacture a fake crisis of this size, in order to really declare martial law and cancel elections? I don't have any respect for Bush, and I think he has caused some major disasters, but I don't really think this is about seizing power under martial law. It seems far-fetched to me. He seems like more of a misguided idiot than a true dictator. My sense is that he cannot wait to be done with his presidency, and there is no way he would try to extend it a single day.

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Originally Posted by dragonrider

Earlier you mentioned that your original post had a facetious tone, but you want your idea to be considered seriously. Maybe people were reacting to the tone, so let's get past that.

Taking your idea seriously, do you really think that Bush might try to precipitate a real crisis of this scale, or manufacture a fake crisis of this size, in order to really declare martial law and cancel elections? I don't have any respect for Bush, and I think he has caused some major disasters, but I don't really think this is about seizing power under martial law. It seems far-fetched to me. He seems like more of a misguided idiot than a true dictator. My sense is that he cannot wait to be done with his presidency, and there is no way he would try to extend it a single day.

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i totally agree with what u say. except that, Cheney can very well do whats been said. he is no idiot and he is sort of as powerful or maybe even more powerful than Bush himself. he is an extremist, i have no doubt, we got muslim extremists and we have american extremists, he is the latter!
yes i know in technical terms VP is not = to prez, but in practice there are some ways to manipulate with that equation.

again that has an almost non-existent chance of happening given our current situation.

However I bring your attention to this: In my opinion no government is sacred, they all have dirty secrets and it is also no secret that they have used lies and made-up or artificial crises in the past to achieve certain goals beyond public's understanding, do u agree? 1 recent example: Iraq war, it started with all the wrong reasons and lies that are now no secret to any1.

Our very own government has had embarrassments like Iran Contra affair and has also participated in some covert ops and coups in other countries. some of these embarassments have had direct adverse effects on our very own citizens! CIA's role in Crack cocaine epidemic which has always been "denied" by the govt but widely believed to be a real story and our current war on drugs are just obvious examples of such actions

hang on right there for a sec

There has been word of war with Iran and a TON of pressure from Israel, our MOST important ally for this to happen. Depending on the circumstances to come in near future and depending on issues that are out of our control and given the talk earlier about how governments can be deceptive to their own citizens, I don't RULE OUT the chance of such a conflict in the upcoming months until the next prez swears in.

This is as much possible as our officials have always maintained military option is on the table.

not that it necessarily relates to current political situation, but it has always been like this and we have maintained we may very well attack Iran if needed.

im sure u get the idea

practically speaking there is a very tiny lil bitty (read NO) chance for a 3rd conflict to drag us down there in mid-east now

However, there are many factors involved (including which candidate is our next prez & many other factors) that can give this thing an overnight boost in probability of happening.

Never rule out any probability, u may well get caught surprised!!

and most of these scenarios are at best possible hypotheticals right now, with some potential to always happen...

another example: Pakistan got nukes, they have volatile relationship with India (also a nuke power) and they got islamic fanatics and jihadists in hundreds of numbers in their country...

their nukes could very well be jeopardized since there are not guaranteed oversights as we have in america... i know there is tight security for those stuff, but still all u need is a couple of inside men for outside idiots to get their hands on one of those things.

u know, these are just "feasible ideas" not that they will happen or are potentially gonna happen. but just based on this explanation, I personally do not rule out anything of the sort!

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Originally Posted by Psycho4Bud

VERY glad this one is squared away and I argree with ya 100%; there is NO need for negative rep based on a post or opinion in this forum. EVERYBODY has the right to his/her opinion and it should be respected. I may not agree with a few in here but hey, if we always agreed that wouldn't hold much water for an exchange of thoughts.

My MAJOR concern as that we didn't have another situation like what happened in here a week ago. Positive rep for both of ya!!:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

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I think contrary to dragonriders and my own opinion drastically differing; we both understand that this is the politics forum and doesn't necessarily reflect what the other person is really like.

Besides, I like keeping people around me that don't agree with me or are not just "yes" men.

Understanding comes through disagreement or contrasting views.

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Originally Posted by Billionfold

Anyone else think McCain will give up the election?

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No, I don't think so. If there is anything to learn from McCain's personal history, it is that he fights against all odds. He might even actually like lost causes. I don't think he would give up, no matter how bad it gets for him.

Also, there is no reason to think he is even out of the running yet. He's slipping, but the margin is still close. And this last couple of weeks shows how much things can change in a very short period of time.

He's likely to try to throw some crazy-ass curveballs in the next few weeks, but dropping out is not likely to be one of them.

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Originally Posted by flyingimam

i totally agree with what u say. except that, Cheney can very well do whats been said. he is no idiot and he is sort of as powerful or maybe even more powerful than Bush himself. he is an extremist, i have no doubt, we got muslim extremists and we have american extremists, he is the latter!

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Well, yeah. Cheney is a different deal altogether, and if there was such a conspiracy, he would definitley be in charge of it. But my feeling is that if Cheney engineered a coup to keep Bush in office, Bush would actually murder Cheney. Bush might end up being the hero and restoring the Republic!

Bush is done, and he wants to go back to the ranch, and no one, not Cheney, not no one, is gonna stop him.

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Originally Posted by dragonrider

Speaking of games, I was going to do a smoking game with a hit each time McCain says "My Friends..," but I actually want to see the end.

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Still undecided whether I'll be watching or taping it but this lil' game sounds like fun....I just may have to give it a try.:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:s4:

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Originally Posted by Billionfold

I'll be as surprised as a homeless pedophile waking up in a nursery if McCain wins this election. :stoned:

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Oh, I don't think he'll win either --- I just don't think there is any chance of him dropping out. And I think it would be a big mistake for anyone on Obama's side to get complacent and consider it totally in the bag. Barring any serious mishaps though, I think Obama will win.

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Originally Posted by dragonrider

Speaking of games, I was going to do a smoking game with a hit each time McCain says "My Friends..," but I actually want to see the end.

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debates are starting as i type this, i will be playing this game lol.

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Originally Posted by Billionfold

The debates have ended, with Obama on top it would seem. :stoned:

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I thought both sides actually performed well. Although I did see Obama contradict himself several times and I saw McCain utilize those situations.

All in all I thought both sides did well. I did find it odd that Obama would agree with McCain on a number of things and then say he disagrees.

Either way I was entertained through the entire 90 minutes :thumbsup:

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Originally Posted by Billionfold

Give some examples of the times he contradicted himself and McCain 'utilized' the situation.

Why is it odd that they would agree on some ground? Two people can't agree and disagree?

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I've chosen to refrain from actual in depth political discussion for personal reasons. If you want to know more you can check my grow log.

If I participate in here it will be rare for a while and on a more light hearted note.

Enjoy my silence :hippy:

I enjoyed the debate. I feel both sides had some good points and I enjoyed the fact that McCain called out Obama on a few situations. But Obama was very articulate and the whole 90 minutes was enjoyable.

Oh and I played the Obama game. That when you take a hit every time you here the word "change". I was blasted.