I really love this guide, thanks a lot because it sure as hell gave me more direction of what to do, I'm a really visual person lol. And now I finally know how to work that capsule machine too, double :thumbsup::thumbsup:
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I really love this guide, thanks a lot because it sure as hell gave me more direction of what to do, I'm a really visual person lol. And now I finally know how to work that capsule machine too, double :thumbsup::thumbsup:
k so reading on both hounds and Flameons forums i decided to go and try this myself. Unfortunately when i bought my crock pot from hamilton beach the digital temp only goes to 180 F:( i really need someones input on any good digital crock pots that go above 230F so that the carboxyl groups bonds break. Any suggestions i would greatly appreciate
Wow that's a true bummer.....are you sure? That seems like an awfully low temp even for a crockpot.
Before I used a crockpot I used to cook the stuff in small saucepan and keep an eye on temps with the same candy thermometer I use in the crock pot One BIG tip....DONT walk away while it's cooking.....I've burned a good amount of very nice bud in my day doing that.
i honestly think if you buy a crockpot with low/medium/high settings you should be good.
you might also try putting the stuff in a regular oven at lower temps as well.
Thanks for the advice W.Hound, it has been real frustrating trying to find a digital crock pot so that once i get the technique of it i can just let it sit their. this hamilton beach product was a piece of crap even their high temp( just tested reaches no more then 180)Quote:
Originally Posted by Weedhound
Hound do you know of any digital crock pots that you were going to go after? which one r u using currently?
thanks and appreciate everything again
I'm using a regular crockpot (Rival Brand....I think it's a 4 quart with just high and low settings) and it works fine as long as I don't mess with things too much while it's cooking. I keep tabs on temps with a candy thermometer and have to change temps every once in awhile (high to low or whatever) but in general no real problems with it
The only digitial crockpots I saw for sale were super fancy and about $150.....and I just couldn't squeeze it past Mr Hound. :D
Well I'm a bit disappointed. My wife said she had her eye on a digital crock pot, but when she decided to bring it home, I found that it really isn't digital that I can tell. However it does look like a great deal better than what we had before. More adjustments and options. Both are Rival brand.
A crock pot that doesn't go above 180? Are you sure? I though all crock pots at least got to 220.
If anyone is interested in my second attempt at making capsules, they sucked worse than the first attempt. The first batch at least gave me a pretty good body stone if I took 6 or 8 of them. The second batch does absolutely nothing. Here's what I did different:
- more oil, a little too much probably. You can see in my picture that the weed is completely submerged, where as with WH's picture you can see that there are only a couple pockets of oil.
- cooked at about 265 instead of 205.
- cooked for about 10 hr. instead 4 or so.
So, which is the problem? I really doubt that more time decreases potency. THC cannot disappear. Anyone?
I guess I need to approach this like a scientist instead of a stoner trying to get stoned. I think from now on I will measure temperature only with the laser thermometer, and do experiments. Perhaps I'll start with an oil temp of 230, then take some out after 1,2,3,4,5, and 6 hours, and see what differences there are. I will post results if I discover anything significant.
I'm still thinking you need to kick up the temp. Try 300F for a short period of time. It's not working for vilo either.....:(
I used to cook it in a little saucepan with coconut oil at 325 for 15 mins and like I said I got a pretty good buzz. Worth a try with gram.........??
So just sautee it like that and then eat it? We're thinking about trying a few more times with just a gram, so we may do this.
Yep....I would cool it and put it into capsules but you don't need to.....you can just chill it till it's hard.
Lemmie dig up that old thread.......cooks it differently than the way I do now and this was the way I used to do my capsules before I worked out Flame's recipe.
http://boards.cannabis.com/recipes/1...conut-oil.html I used this recipe for a couple months with pretty decent success. Think I detailed the first few times I did it so there may some good tips there. ;)
Good luck.....hope you guys hit the lucky number. :D
Alright, I think we'll give it another go. I hope I can convince him...or just do it while he's at work... :thumbsup:
Thanks for finding that thread for me, Weedhound! :)
Ok so sorry for the time i was away became extremely busy! i want to thank W hound for input and advice.
So after doing alot more research this is what i found out.
I called rival and al clad as well as hamilton beach every one of their higher class digital crock pots go UP TOO 214 F except al clad the 150$ us dollar slow cooker which i believe he said either 230 or 240 F.
Anyways i said fuck it and i used my old slow cooker to cook the oil.
The first run i did which was for three hours and i didnt do as well as i want to he crock pot went up too 225F on high which i thought eh was not bad. this second time which i just made today pics below it went up to 285 strange but nice and saved alot of money i measured "experimentally" One teaspoon of coconut oil
with one gram of finely ground bud i placed a small aluminum lid inside crock pot in which i poured the oil then after it reached 260F which was in a minute or less i then added the bud and stirred i checked it every hour for two hours so twice and then i left it while i went to run an errand. its total time was 4 hours 30 mins so for look like the acid form of THCA has lost its carboxyl molecule and bonded nicely with the fatty acid chains. i will try them tomorrow and let u guys know. :thumbsup:
PS unfortunately 1 gram and 1 teaspoon only got me 6 capsule :(
PSS yoki if you have any doubts i suggest u call the manufacture of any slow cooker u wish to purchase and double check their temp range :stoned:
Opie my bad for referring u as to yoki, was thinking of someone else lol anyways THC has a boiling point of 392 F which is when its liquid/solid form turns into vapor. Double check with wikipedia. An oil that is full in saturated fats such as coconut oil has a smoke point of 350F so u typically dont want to go past that temp or their will be no point in throwing the oil in with the bud
Let us know how it does for you ruiz ;)
After trying 2 caps this morning i was feeling pretty good. not as strong as i wanted it but it was alright when i popped two more 1 hour after taking the first. then i really started to feel it. it lasted for around two hours. im wondering if it lost some potency because of the high temps and the long cooking i may try flameons technique and cook for 2 hours at low setting. W hound and input when u tried flameons method?
That's what I use these days and a crockpot....my mixture temps will get up to about 260F if I use a larger amount (lately I've been whipping up 20ish grams of weed at a time) but when I cooked small amounts I found that you really have to watch carefully or the temps WILL climb too high. ;)
I think the temps that work best for me are between 220-250F for about 3 hours.
Thanks for the input W. Hound, im gonna try to put it on the low setting and leave it for around two hour and take some put then leave the rest for 3 and compare. my concern was that when it was at such high temps it smelt strongly, like i was baking cookies. and if u notice the color of the bud, it was more of a darkish brown then a green like other examples :apachecopter:
oh and if you don't have a pill capping mAchine i found thAt using a paper plate works by poking holes in with a pen and the oo pills should fit right in. Oh and flip the plate upside down on a flat surface and the pills should go in flush. I like it because its cheaper . But I also bought the pill machine LOL but I didnt buy all the parts for it so I came up with this idea.
An alternative to this recipe is to make it without using coconut oil at all. Just place your finely ground material (leaf, stem, harsh buds) in a baking pan and bake it at 225 degrees. The magic number for temp is 218, anything higher than 265 and you're vaporizing away the good stuff, and anything lower the carboxyl group won't break away. After about 15 min its done, pull it out of the oven and put it into caps. Easy eh?
Now when you do this grey what does the leaf look like? Brown? Still green?
It's about 30% brown leaf. The leaves were hanging from the plant during the drying process, which causes some of the green ones to brown on the ends of the leaf. Also during the flowering process some of the leaves turn color from green to yellow to brown.
The brown ones look like kief after being ground, and I can attest from experience that they still work. After grinding all the leaf and small stem together in a coffee grinder the mixture is a light green color.
I have a few friends who when hurting for a bowl have broken open a capsule and smoked it. They reported great effect, which surprises me because I know it was only made from trim :rastasmoke:
One more note, I haven't noticed any change in potency due to duration of cooking time. When I have wet leaf which doesn't cut well I will put it in the oven for 15-20 min at 225 degrees to dry it, grind it further with the coffee grinder, and then bake it again for 15 min. I've been stoned a few times doing this and lost track of time. Came back after about 45 min and the batch was still good. You can tell by the little burp you get after swallowing them :)
I've been told to cook things as long as overnight.......but have only gone as far as 8 hours myself and found no improvement after about 4 hours of cooking. I DID find four to work better than 3 hours but not five to work better than 4. :D
Wow it's been awhile since I've posted and the only reason I am is because I now disagree with the last statement I made there......after trying several times I find that the longer the cooking time the more potent things DO get. I believe the longest we have let things cook is about 15 hours......resulting potency was GREAT!!
I'm gonna try this stuff. I have caps already, just need the coconut oil. Only problem is the ol hates the smell of pot cooking (and she can yell) so I'll do the crock pot thing in the garage or something.
Shov,
good to see u man.
hey, i made my first batch last weekend.
as to odors...
when i had it on 'low' it was about 220-225, and did NOT smell, and i even had the cover venting to keep the temps down.
i will also say this, once, i opened to stir and temp dropped below 200, i switched to "hi" because i was worried about the temp, then i forgot and came back to 250 and an odor. i immediately lowered settign, opened crock and fanned to cool faster.
i think thats 1 possible cause for the mild effects of my cannacaps.
also, i had the ratio wrong, (couldnt remember) but i used 1 TBSP instead of 1.5 teaspoons, with 1.8g of ground powder.
took 3 the other night and had a 'mild' effect.
i will likely try to make them again,,,soon.:pimp:
-edit-
i also plan on 'upping' the weed/butter ratio.
i may try to double it, or close to double, and i will increase simmer time.
well i've been trying to make these pills about 5-6 times now, and i think i've got it. the first time i used my crockpot, and it ran just too hot, even on low the whole house smelled like vaped weed, and the potency was zero.
i then switched to my trusty toaster oven, but now i was gun shy and afraid to get it up to a proper temp, and while the pills had an effect they were still weak. (temps were between 180-200F). last night i reread this entire post, and decided to kick up the heat a bit to about the 220-230F range, trying this with about 1.5g of mid grade regs baked for 5 hours, and made 8 pills. i took all 8, and with in a couple of hours i was cross eyed. success at last! next time though i think i'll only take 4 of them, because 8 put me out, although when i woke up i was still pretty high, and i slept for 4 hours. WOW!
Thanx WH and Flame your guide and a little trail and error has lead me to a new clean way to enjoy my buzz.
You know what's interesting is my personal thought of it all is that everyone is a little bit different and so it doesn't surprise me that something that works for one person doesn't work for someone else. I FIRMLY believe that SOMEWHERE between 200 and 350 is the right temp for everyone. I've spoken to a few few folks that like the results better when cooked about about 325 so I wouldln't hesitate to try hotter temps IF the lower ones don't seem to do it for you.
I've made these a few times and have always been successful. I use a crocpot that has a keepwarm, low and high setting. In the past I have always gone back and forth between low and high every 2 or 3 hours for about 12 hours. When on high I get a strong cooking smell, but the pills have never been weak. This time I am keeping it on low. I had it on high for about 5 minutes and noticed the smell so I switched it back. Also when on low I see just a few simmer bubbles coming up through the mix. When on high there are more but it doesn't look like it is boiling or anything. Do you want a good little simmer going? or are just a few sporadic bubbles ok? When on low I can only smell the cooking smell when I am close to the pot. Do most people keep their crocpots on low or high setting? I'm doing this as a little trial and error but I don't really want to waste an 1/8 if I don't need to. Any feedback would be awesome. Thanks.
Also, from what I have seen keeping the pills in the freezer degrades the quality quickly. After a month or two in the freezer mine always seem to not get me high, just stupid, and I get a horrible headache. I'm going to keep these in the fridge and see if that is better for them. I have decided against any sort of long term storage.
That's interesting......I've never heard of freezing trichomes causing harm to their potency; I've made hash with ice water and weed so maybe the problem is in the coconut oil (or clarified butter)and the freezing. I've always kept mine in the fridge until use, but have heard of people freezing them with no ill effect. Just can't comment as I've never tried it myself.
Jebus, I do get some minor bubbling after a few hours but once I get the temp where I want it (about 225F) mine will pretty much stay there alll night so I couldn't really tell you how much it bubbles.......but nothing like a furious boiling or anything. And the room does smell a bit by morning after so many hours of cooking.
Right now we are working on a green dragon recipe that uses glycerine instead of alcohol (vegetable glycerine) The problem is a two month project so it will be awhile before we'll know if that recipe works.
One last thing. In the past the plant materials has always ended up blackish. With the oil a brownish green. This time it appears to be more green in color for both the oil and plant material. I'm hoping this is a good sign. Not that it isn't hot enough. I think I also put in too much oil this time. There is a good layer of oil over the plant matter. I've always had that before but never like this. I think I ended up with 6 tsp to 3.5g I know it is heavy but I like the feel of them like this. One is very mellow and has a nice calming effect. 2 get me high and any more than that get me blazed for hours. I took 5 when I went to see the Dark Knight and was good the whole movie. Even though they kicked in about 45 minutes before it started. When I watched it again a week later it was like watching it for the first time. I was so blazed the first time I didn't follow the movie too well.
ha ha, I LOVE my capsules!! There seems to be some folks out there though, for whom it doesn't seem to work but I love being able to pack a few capsules and go STONE where I couldn't before. :D
Well I tried them and I think they turned out ok. I took a full one and one half filled with the last few drops. I was feeling it at about an hour and a half. Took 2 small hits at 2 hours and I'm stoned. Might be a little weak but I did get 27.5 from 3.5g so they are kind of diluted. Two full ones would probably be good or a few more to be ripped. I'm going to say keeping my crockpot on low was a success, but next time I will make 2 different batches and test both temp settings to see which is the best.
So I just read what I wrote and deleted 3 paragraphs from this. Trust me you didn't want to bother reading it. Yeah, these things are working.
Anyone else tried just heating the material to 225 in an oven and putting it in capsules? I have only had one bad batch of capsules ever, and that was because the temp didn't get high enough, but I have never used oil to make them.
I've never thought about doing that grey, but if anyone else tries it, let us know how it worked for you.
Jebus.....lol, glad they're working for you.
I guess this should be in a raw weed thread, but so many of the descriptions in this thread match my own experiences that this seems like the place to post them.
My experiments have worked best with the following similar conditions-
weed as dry as it can get,
I usually do this in the morning about an hour after eating a breakfast of an egg cooked in real butter and a slice of "real"buttered toast.
I also usually mix my weed in a cup of Activia yogurt, the kind that contains active bacterias and contains fat, and my usual dosage is a slightly rounded 1/2 teaspoon of weed. I have never experimented with heating it in oil but I can appreciate how the fat is more easily absorbed. Unscientifically I believe that by eating my weed with fat an hour after breakfast, that my digestive juices very active and go right to work when the yogurt and weed hit my stomach. The first effects I feel are a relaxing sensation behind my eyes hat usually begins about 15min. after ingesting. Then as others described it take 1-2hrs for the full effects to be felt. Then it last 3-4hrs at full strength with lingering effects for twice that long.
Ever try cooking it? I'm not saying your way is wrong but most people (myself included) just dont get very buzzed from raw weed unless you smoke or vape it. If it works for you, that's great. I ate a couple of grams one day (long ago grasshopper) and got a mild buzz but the high wasn't worth the work. That fat part may help though. No stomach upset or do you generally have a tough stomach?
I do cook with it and have become a big tincture fan in last year. Yes, I too have always had a cast iron stomach. No major tummy ache, a few times a little indigestion but I've had worse from beer and brats.
If I were going for the big buzz I would use some cooking method for my delivery system, or a big dose of tincture. At this point in my life I am not a very heavy smoker so perhaps my low tolerance is a factor. And you can't beat the simplicity of preparation. As stated I usually eat this in the AM and I use this method more as a sedative continuous buzz, then a Friday night (or Tuesday morning) let's explore the inner realms, type of experience. Smoking with eating raw weed amplifies the high of each delivery method. And like many first time smokers I wasn't sure what to expect and only felt a little buzz my first time, but it seemed worth experimenting with.
The discovery of the very dry pot has seemed to be the big key for me.
I have also discovered that smoking the first half of a joint, then eating the second half will give me the dual high of smoking and eating, as the smoke levels off and mellows, you started getting that heavy head and body buzz that comes from oral consumption. I know it sounds gross, but it works for me.
I have enjoyed your thread and flameon's and hope to do some experimenting soon. I'll post my results.
Please do.......is there a chance we could get you to share your tincture recipe with us? We recently have started trying tinctures as well but as the hubby and I are both old time alkies we had to find a recipe without alcohol extraction so she suggested vegetable glycerine.
How do you make yours?