Plants are lookin' good! I wouldn't worry too much about them being close together. Some are bound to be male, and they will be pulled later.
Keep up the good work.
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Plants are lookin' good! I wouldn't worry too much about them being close together. Some are bound to be male, and they will be pulled later.
Keep up the good work.
Yeah, i figure i'll have to pull about half of them anyway. If any of the remaining plants are just way too close, i'll LST them to pull them appart.
I honestly didn't really think about the roots growing together. The good news is that most of my plants are indica dominant, and indica's tend to grow tighter compact root balls. So maybe it won't matter too much.
Oh, and by the way, i keep forgetting...
Happy 4-20!!!!!
Hey guys, i was just doing some research about the Lowrider 2, and it appears that the male plants start showing signs of flower as early as day 17 and the females as early as day 21. Today is day 23 or 24.
If you look at the first picture in post #79, the growing top looks different than any of the other plants in the pictures i took that day. I'm thinking that the LR2's are already blooming. I'm probably heading out to the patch tomorrow to check things out and maybe even pull some males, who knows.
I'm excited!
Peace:rastasmoke:
Sure enough, the LR2s are already flowering... on day 23... wow...
Of the 5 i have out there, 2 were definitely male. They had balls and everything, so they got the chop :D 2 of them are still too undeveloped to tell, but i think i have 1 more male and 1 more female. And finally, 1 was definitely female with long white hairs growing out of her nodes and even top. Unfortunately, my hand was pretty shaky today (I get that way under stress and tired; weed helps) and most of the pictures suck.
I did fertilize them all today. I figure if they're f***ing blooming, they can probably take some nutes, right? The patch with the blooming LR2s got about half strength Miracle Grow flowering nutes at 15-30-15 and the MK/MG patch got Miracle Grow veg nutes at 24-8-12. We'll see how they look in 2 days and i can determine what to do.
Here are the pics. The MK/MG patch looks pretty similar, except that the plants are all still a bit smaller. I think i planted them too soon. The sun isn't hitting them all day just yet, it's still too low on the horizon.
Pic 1: Side view of the healthiest plant i had. Unfortunately, it was a male LR2 and it got the chop!
Pic 2: The same male LR2 as in Pic1
Pic 3: The balls on the second LR2 male that also got the chop
Pic 4: Female! Long white hairs at the node
Pic 5: One of the TS plants. They're all growing fast!
Let me know what you guys think!
good stuff!!! glad everythings going ok...
WT
I went out to the patch today. Everything looks good. Sure enough, 1 of the remaining unsexed LR2's was a male and one was a female. I got some good pics of the first female LR2 but it's still kinda hard to see the hairs on the second one.
The MK MG patch is looking good as well. I was worried at first that they weren't growing fast enough, but then it occurred to me, it's still April... They'll be just fine :)
I'd like to report on the smell today as well. The LR2's had a delicious skunky smell that i can already smell from a foot away. The MK and MG both smelled very sweet, almost like sweet basil. The TS didn't really smell at all, but i guess that's the sativa dominance coming through there.
I fertilized each patch with almost full strength nutes. The reason i decided to switch to full strength today is that one of the MG plants had some yellow in the leaves (a little too much for me) and i figured they could use the extra energy anyway.
Pic 1: LR2 #2
Pic 2: TS 1
Pic 3: TS 2
Pic 4: TS bugs
Pic 5: LR2 #1
If you guys would look at the fourth pic, i found some bugs on one of the TS plants today. I think they're just little green hopper bugs, but i'm not sure if i should be worried. Can someone help me out?
More pics. These are of the MK MG patch. Due to the random arrangement of the plants, i'm still not sure which is which unless i'm looking at the patch, but they all look pretty much the same right now.
The last pic is of my smallest plant. It's in the corner that probably gets the least amount of light.
Lookin' good. Are you going to top them?
I was thinking about it. Never actually topped before. This is my first grow that will actually finish (hopefully).
I was going to wait until the kids show pre-flowers to top them. Will that be too late? I was also going to LST them if there were too many females growing too close together.
Also, i don't know how these strains respond to topping. I imagine the Mango and Master Kush would be just fine, but i've never even heard of the Thai Stick strain before, and i have no idea how it will respond.
Any ideas? What would be the best time to top them if i was going to do that? Now or later?
On another note that i forgot to mention earlier (stoned?) I soaked the rest of my LR2 seeds last night and put them in Jiffy cubes this morning. Hopefully they'll all pop up in the next few days. I'll post something on those when there's something to post.
Peace!
i would top right when you switch to 12/12....IMO
WT
Lol, thanks SNS, i will follow that strategy when i start growing inside, and i'm sure that would work great if i was controlling the light cycle. Since the kids are outside, i can't do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by SnSstealth
I have looked around and read up a little, and i'm trying to decide between the method where you take off the top 2 or 3 full nodes and the method where you snip off the top 90% of the growing top (FIM i think it's called). If i took off the top 2 or 3 nodes, i would probably have to wait until there are 6 or 7 nodes to make sure i don't mess anything up. If i did the other strategy, i could probably do it now.
Any thoughts or suggestions? I'll prob snip a few and leave a few to grow naturally. Who knows though. I tend to change my mind a lot...
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Hmmm, thoughts or suggestions. I think you make your own luck, and I suggest you buy stock in LED lighting development.
Also, your bugs are aphids. They are undesirable, but they don't really cause much damage. I wouldn't worry. Pest damage is a fact of life when growing outdoors and the sooner that's accepted the better. As far as topping, I do all mine well in the veg stage only, and most all methods produce about the same yield. FIMing seems to work fine for me, but doesn't produce the 8 bud sites talked about, maybe one or two more than regular snipping. You don't have to take off 2 or 3 nodes when topping unless you just want a cutting for clones or something, or you want your plant smaller. I recommend topping once or twice so the outdoor plants will grow bushier instead of taller. Better for stealth and strength, and probably yield.
Whenever I water my outdoor grows I mix up some of my usual hydro nutes at about half hydro strength. Another approach is to use Miracle Grow soil that has time release nutes in it. Yeah, I said that. It actually works very well for producing huge healthy plants with very little effort.
I would invest in some Liquid Fence rather than an actual fence. I believe it really works, and if you have a problem with a large omnivore I would try that before a real fence. Just don't get any on you. Also blood meal hung in nylon stockings is supposed to work. I've tried a combination of the two and that seems to work very well.
What else? I don't know, any questions?
Liquid fence? I've never heard of it. What exactly is it and where can i buy it? It's strange, because i see rabits around my patch almost every time i go out there, but they never seem to chew on my plants. There are deer in the area too, but they don't seem to do anything either.
When would you recommend topping? Should i wait for there to be 5-7+ nodes or can i do it now? I'm not really that worried about security beacuse the plants are well hidden in an obscure location, but i AM worried about yield. Since this is my first outdoor grow, i'm trying not to have too high expectations, but i still wanna do the best i can.
I just started 5 new LR2's in the closet and i'll probably plant them in organic top soil when i move them outside.
If you can think of anything else or any general tips for outdoor growing, i'd love to hear them!
Thanks for the advice!
hey hows it going,looking nice. first off i was wondering how you sexed them plants so early if you can get pics of the ones your removing they dont look that mature i dont see the nodes alternating.
outdoors i usually fim at the fifth node or set of leves it doesnt always work for five main colas though or for me anyway somtimes i just get two it takes practice to get that cut right.
outdoors your plant will notice the summer solstice and show flowers about a month later they dont need 12/12 to flower they start flowering the day the notice that 1 minute less of sunlight or really about two weeks after solstice and natural light spectrum change thus you end up with flowering days 17,16,15 hours long cause you generally lose about 1-5 minutes a day. long days of flower result in a larger yeild
an idea for an indoor experiment.
beware some sativas ive had to take into the second week of november and ive had indicas that are ready mid to late september.
also
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Originally Posted by dgsgandalf
IMO LF (Liquid Fence) is a great product that smells like shit. Iâ??ve got deer and rabbit all over the place and they leave my plants alone. Iâ??ve always used LF, and I know that if I didnâ??t my plants would be eaten to nearly nothing. Thatâ??s what happens to all tender shoots around here, even ones right up close to our house. I wouldnâ??t consider an outdoor grow in a forest without the stuff. Itâ??s guaranteed to work and itâ??s rain repellent, so you donâ??t have to apply it every time it rains. I think they recommend at least once a month or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by dgsgandalf
They make a few different kinds, but youâ??re probably after the deer and rabbit one like in the pictures. I first bought the pre mixed version and quickly ran out, so I bought the concentrate which makes it pretty economical.
If youâ??re seeing signs of rabbit and deer you are tempting fate if you donâ??t take measures to prevent your plants from being eaten or trampled. Oh yeah, my very first outdoor grow in this area was started without any pest deterrent, and the deer ended up making a trail right through the middle of the grow. They didnâ??t eat anything, but they trampled a few plants to death. Thatâ??s when I discovered LF.
You can buy it at any farm store, and probably a lot of garden stores. Around here the big farm stores are Coastal and Wilco. Itâ??s also available all over the internet. One thing to consider however, an actual fence can also serve as something to tie the branches to when the get heavy with bud. Iâ??ve had more than a few break on me once they get wet.
I top once the plants are strong and healthy, like after a month of good growth, then maybe again in 3 weeks, but not always. You can do it any time you think a plant can take it, but Iâ??d let it have at least 3 or 4 good nodes first. I think itâ??s kinda important for outdoor plants because it makes more buds and smaller buds. If you just have a few big colas they may be more likely to break then a bunch of smaller ones. If youâ??re somehow supporting everything then it doesnâ??t matter. Topping, FIMing, LSTing, not topping, whatever, all produce about the same yield. Theyâ??re just different roads to the same destination. In general, I try to leave my plants alone as much as possible, and definitely donâ??t cut on them once they go to flower.
Iâ??ve often thought of trying LR2. Looking forward to seeing what happens with yours. As far as anything else I can think of for you, you might this interesting: http://boards.cannabis.com/outdoor-growing/154446-growing-ethics.html
I hope that helps. Anything else let me know.
animals generally stay away from weed especially when foliage is abundant but im not saying that they wont eat it but it less likely when leaves fall and the only food is some weed though also bugs start to dissappear in the summer atleast where i live most prob sre in early spring and early fall especially catapillars for me which need to be dug out of the buds lil fuckers but i get finger hash so there is a bright side
If you don't want to read that whole thing, this is what I thought you might find interesting:
When I'm growing outdoors I:
- have several entry points to the grow to help eliminate paths.
- sweep away foot prints and remove incriminating evidence.
- compromise between camouflaged and full sun plants so they are harder to see from the air.
- spread out plant positions to look natural instead of like a crop.
- duck under some brush and hold completely still if an aircraft approaches.
- use liquid fence. It really seems to keep away rabbits and deer.
- try to grow inside a brier patch or some difficult brush, with a small tunnel for entry.
Thanks for the response Phat! The only plants that i have sexed are the Low Rider's. They are an auto-flowering variety that shows sex in the third week after germination. You can check out any of the recent pics to see the white hairs.Quote:
Originally Posted by phatsesh101
I actually topped my plants today. I chose 1 of each of my strains that seemed to have the most nodes. Pics below...
Very interesting about the summer solstice. I did know about the shorter flowering cycle, but i was unaware that plants can tell a difference in a few minutes. Amazing!
I haven't had much problem with animals yet. One of my plants today looked like an animal had him for lunch, but it's still alive and hopefully will still grow and flower. I can only expect to lose a few to animals and i'm not too worried about it just yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by phatsesh101
Catarpillars would ruin my day though...
I do have several entry points to the patch, but i'm not taking many other precautions. I feel pretty damn good about my patch location, and i'd be very surprised if anyone accidentally came across it. I think i will invest in liquid fence. It seems like a worth while purchase considering the forest location. Any suggestions where to find it cheap? eBay?Quote:
Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
Thanks for the input guys! I'll def think about all this stuff as the year goes on.
Pics below...
Plants look good. Very healthy, stretching a little perhaps, but overall very good.
One of my Master Kush plants looks like it got eaten for lunch. It's still growing however, so who knows. Maybe i'll get some buds from it.
Here are pics of the MK MG patch.
Pics of the LR2 / Thai Stick patch. First few are LR2 buds, the rest are TS.
Finally, the plants i topped. I decided to top one of each strain i have to see how they respond. I chose the plant that had the most nodes (4 or 5) and i cut off just the growing top. First is the TS, then the MK, then the MG.
Tell me what you guys think!
lookin good!!!!
WT
looks good i would get some of that liquid fence before somthing else decides to sample your plants and the earth taking her share. but you can up your chances with clones.
did you try the fim?
sweet auto flower huh how does that work? does start to flower after 3 weeks regardless of season? or just matures faster and if so is there any other abnormalities in its growth cycle?
sorry was stoned am stoned when i wrote solstice thing but it was fragmental. first day of flower is about a month after solstice which is a difference of thirty minutes and at decline of a minute a day and also a change in light spectrum and the longest is only about 15 hours where i live so 14 1/2 it switches over pretty muchso its i little more complicted. sorry i made it sound like the plant gas a watch.
I did not do FIM, i just topped. FIM would be cutting off some of the top growing shoot but not all of it. I cut it all off!Quote:
Originally Posted by phatsesh101
Auto-flowering strains tend to be in the Cannabis Ruderalis branch of marijuana (Ruderalis is the same type of classification as Indica or Sativa, just much less common). Auto-flowering plants flower after a certain amount of time regardless of the light cycle.
In the case of LR2, they start flowering at the end of the third week from germination and they are finished 8-9 weeks after germinating. They basically skip the vegetative growth stage and go strait from seedling to flowering. Consequently, they are smaller so they produce less (anywhere from 15-38g per plant), but i'll have some tasty buds to smoke long before the Kush and Mango and Thai Stick are done!
Hopefully everything will work out. I'm most worried about bud mold. The dew in the morning is very heavy where my patch is, and i could see this producing mold.
Any suggestions on keeping my buds from molding?
Peace!
Looks like it could have been a rabbit that ate your plant. I have problems with that too. The plant should be fine, and once they get big you shouldn't have to worry about it that much.
Every thing else is looking pretty good. As for the mold....the strain is the only way to really control it. I live near where you are and don't really have that much of a problem with it. If you see it pic it off so that it will not spread, and try to harvest before it rains.
I have experience with battling mold and bud rot. If you're going to grow outdoors in a wet climate, you need to concern yourself with what variety you are growing. In general sativas are more desired for outdoors because it's common for indicas to have dense buds, while sativas tend to be more loose and fluffy. Dense buds and moisture do not mix. It's a sure recipe for bud rot. The dense buds hold in moisture, and if conditions are good the bud can actually grow around the moisture before it has a chance to dry.Quote:
Originally Posted by dgsgandalf
In the Pacific Northwest it starts pouring rain 2 or 3 weeks before harvest time. It is very common for me to have to harvest early or loose most the crop to rot. If it rains for a few hours and then is dry for a few there is no problem. It's those times when it rains for days straight that the bud starts rotting. When it's not raining I also get heavy dew. In my experience this is nothing to worry about. Heavy dew comes on days with heavy sun, and the dew is quickly dried out.
I've thought about all kinds of things I could rig up to let in light and air flow, while keeping the rain out. I gave up on that, and decided the best thing to do for my outdoor dense-bud plants is to plant them under a tree. You have to make a choice. You can plant them in full sun and they will develop to the best of their ability, and most likely they will develop bud rot before harvest time. This might be OK, since it's nice to have both clear trichome and amber trichome weed around. (Earlier harvests mean more clear trichomes and a more clear high.) The other choice is to plant them under a tree, and they will yield less and stretch more, and be more likely to break due to lack of sunshine, but you'll be more likely to let them be until the desired harvest time.
I've also thought of spraying an antifungal each day it rains, but then of course I would be adding more moisture, and it probably would get washed off anyway before it has a chance to do any good.
hey i just joined cannabis.com. your grow looks really good. email me so i can ask some questions of personal nature. [email protected]
thanks.
Hey hollisterkid55, welcome.
ok this might sound kind of strange but I work with chemicals at work everyday and we have this environmentally friendly animal and human safe chemical called micro ban it prevents mold from forming in water damaged basements and other situations like that I was thinking about making a diluted mixture and misting the foliage if I start to notice any mold forming. Other than that i use a small bottle of axe spray and spray a circle about a foot away from my plants stems and so far no animals have even touched my plants and there are deer and rabbits and all kinds of small animals all around the fields so maybe that might work for you
What's axe spray? Like a lubricant or something?
the body (deodorant) spray really strong smelling
Lol, axe, never would have thought of that one. I'll definitely give it a try.
Not much to report today. I watered and fertilized each patch and splashed some nute water on the leaves of each plant. Hopefully this will create a foliar feeding effect and make my plants happy!
The LR2 continues to flower but i'm worried that it's way too small to be flowering already. Does anyone know what the deal is here? Am i going to end up with a tiny bud or is the plant going to get a lot bigger?
The rest of the patch looks great. Everything is getting bigger and stronger. The topped plants don't seem to have done anything just yet, but that's not to be expected for a week or more. I took one picture with my hand in it so you can get an idea of exactly how big these plants are.
Peace!
p.s. i'm not sure what's up with the picture uploader. something strange is happening...
I think LR is generally smaller since it doesn't get a chance to veg much like most people like. About the only thing you can do as make sure they get plenty of light, oxygen and food.
What's strange about uploading pictures? Looks like they uploaded.
most ive seen was 3 oz but some people as low as 1/2 i guess it depends on where and when you grow
have you thought about keeping amale or 2 ofthat lowriderand seeding some of the females so you can send me some beans or even crossing it with the mk and getting an auto mk that would be sweet
It uploaded one pic twice and missed one completely. Prob my fault, or my computer's fault. I re-installed my OS a couple days ago and have been trying to get everything back up to speed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
There's actually a Kush/LR2 cross out there already. I was thinking about trying to cross my Kush with the Mango, but who knows what will happen. In the future if i can set up a nice indoor grow, i might experiment with some mixes, but right now everything is outside and i don't want to polinate extra plants.Quote:
Originally Posted by phatsesh101
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Checked the patch today. It looks like the MK is responding the best to topping. The TS looks almost sick and the MG hasn't really done anything yet.
The larger of the 2 LR2's is starting to frost a little bit. I can see some calyxes starting to form as well. In another month or so, this one should be ready. Hopefully by then it will be much larger...
Only one pic today