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I hate that shit. Something like vermeculite or perlite (i'd probably go with the first one) should work well on quick notice. DONT get rockwool......trust me. ;)
Higromite will work as well but has to rinsed of the dust. ....
Well she can just hang in her other spot then until you are ready. :)
ok, bad news folks.
looks like i drowned it.
i picked up the contraption today to look for roots and when i tilted it, its head bent n flopped over.
it was soaked.
i had the bubbler goin with the lights.
obviously thats too much.
im learning, i guess.:wtf:
on the upside, when i was at the dro shop i got some grodan macro plugs.
so i can put sprouts in them directly or cuttings.
ill modify an ice cube tray and use that with them.
any opinons on the grodan plugs?
so now the question is - to sprout another, or just take a russian clone?
or, maybe sprout one of these lil surprises i got last night:cool:
i have a very cool friend who gave me a couple packs of white widow femd, and arjans strawberry haze femd.
plus i still have the SNLxNH femd. not to mention some more russians
what should i do?:wtf:
Your call but I personally like that SNL x NH.....I think you are MUCH better off starting in some sort of starter plug but I'm not familiar with that particular brand. Either way, clone or seed.....the plug will make things much easier.
Treat it like a soil thing and water like you would normally....that's what I do with my rapid rooters.
I definitely DONT recommend taking something out of soil and putting it in hydro if that's what you are thinking. Just be problems waiting to happen imo.
PS.....Sounds exactly like what happened to my clones. I soaked them. :(
Also....be ready with your setup running and going when she sprouts so you can move her right away.
actually, i was thinking of cloning the russians in the bunker.
they are pretty big, i even moved one in with Galina.
I can sprout another SNL, i'll do it the way i know how, and then move to the plugs when they sprout.
this will give me more time to set up properly.
i been kinda short on time lately.
In thinking a clone might be easier in the system than a seedling....but nothing that's been growing in the dirt. My hydro guy STRONGLY frowns on moving things from soil to hydro and feels its a freebie breeding ground for any germs etc in your soil.
no, u already warned about no soil -> hydro. i wont.
i was thinkin the bunker team.
i can move them upstairs to flower and the second they show fem, i can take a cut reveg it and bang.
no?
ok, time for a project update worthy of noting.
the hydroton is still climbing every day.
i called another dro shop looking for a diff medium and got to talkin to this dude.
he asked why, and all.
then we started talking about my water.
when i rinsed the red dust outta the hydroton, it was with water straight outta the tap, and lots of it.
he suspects i have a chlorine residue on the media.
i got a big ss pot i use for corn on the cob,
im gonna go boil me some water and cook out the chrloine.
back in a bit.:cool:
That won't fix it......I swear i'm going to pop you. Now if you listen to ME instead of someone else who doesn't even know you we can get you going or we can fool around with all this silliness and wasted time.
What are you using to drop the ph? Ph down? Pour a BUNCH of it in there......ph it to about 4 for a day or two. You have to check and adjust it twice a day. Stir the stuff and keep it mixed. Or go buy some vermeculite or higromite.
PLEASE PLEASE STOP GETTING INFO FROM A BUNCH OF OTHER PEOPLE at least without asking if it might be a good idea or not or I'm pretty sure we are just going to have one problem after another here and another long long grow.
I think you'd have been better off putting the seedling in your set up (as suggested hint hint) than leaving it in the bubbler as was not suggested hint hint. Despite the fact that your hydroton isn't ready it would have been better to work around that issue imo.
PS.....there's no chlorine in RO water and still hydroton issues so that doesn't sound like an answer to me.
:wtf:
ok, well i didnt do it anyways, the stupid faucet needed parts and i been at the store. now its late, my sink is broke,
but if i put a bunch of it in there itll be ruby red for days?
ive already made it red for like 10 hrs at a clip
fine i just threw in about 1/8 the bottle.
Rock when you first get your seedling in the system I would like you to use a cup like this with the bottom cut off.....the splashing from the dripping will make the tiny leaves wet and they'll burn. You can take it off after the seedling gets some height.
ironically, i was thinking about the 'splash factor' recently and have a question.
what about having a layer of media over the ring?
the ring kinda, slightly buried.
is that allowed? a bad idea?
You are the only one in the world who would ask that question Rock.......seriously......I've never heard or thought about it myself.
DONT!! I have a feeling the issue would something about oxygenation and perhaps Rhizome could explain the why's and wheres. So no.
But....THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU for asking and not just "trying it and seeing" I consider that a HUGE step forward. :thumbsup:
ok, gotcha.
i think i should have 1 or both setups running test-water by tomorow night.
hey rock wsup. I wanted to stop by and wanted to wish U good luck on getting UR hydro system up and running.
and as for my DRO plants they have around 2 more months to go.:D
and they R 3 weeks flower but there flowers look like suger dipped buds this soon.:jointsmile: :D :stoned: :stoned: :hippy:
I can't wate to harvest these.
and once U do get the hang of growing hydroponicly it is fun as hell and faster. in my opion.
and I'll smoke a bowl to celebrate the fact that U can do this cuz we all here at canna com have fath in U and all dro growers on here that they can grow there dizzy flowers H-ponicly.
my 2 cents.:thumbsup:
:rasta: :rastasmoke:
thanks hydro.
i think me and weedhound will work out the bugs offline mostly then i'll resume the log.
we're almost there:)
keep it up rock....experimentation is what we grow for;)
WT
We ARE almost there....I'm getting excited. :D
Good thread. Just remember to follow your coach. And there is only room for one COACH on this team.
Can't wait to see the posts. If I have suggestions I'll post them here for Coach Hound to review and approve if appropriate...
ok, been about another week, and i want to check in.
1- hydroton did submit and ph stopped climbing.
its possible part of the problem was that i didnt change the water, just let it sit and sit. kept correcting, but it still climbed.
i have sprouted 2 more SNLxNH beans and had them in these grodan's plugs for a few days.
i have made personal decision that i need more verticle space in flower. so, the veg bunker had to relocate. i am going with a semi-verticle veg cab.
so, welcome to the new veg locker.
these are the 2 SNL's. i still need another pump, tomorow.
WH, you said better to get them in early and hand water if needed.
ok, thats what im doin,
these are ready.
the plugs stay wet a long time.
ok, comments?
They are so CUTE!!! Put them in gently....I take a cup of water (from one of the buckets) and keep it sitting with them....drip water VERY CAREFULLY (after checking ph) on the little plugs. You may only have to water once a day for a few days. It's VERY wise to check and adjust ph any and every time you add something to the plants...even that cup of water that you know the ph was correct on before. Just don't let the plugs completely dry out. You won't have to use the drip ring for several days.
Your drip ring setup looks good. Good work there. How tall is your flowering space?
yes, i was careful placing them and filling in the pebbles.
i made up a separate container with ph corrected water and poured around the area and down thru to the plugs.
i should be able to finish the final tweeks to the whole system and new setup in the next couple days after work.
as to my flower space, well, i'm eliminating the veg cabinet, which acted like a shelf. with that gone, my flower area is now about 6ft max if i leave them on the floor.
so, new flower capacity is 6ft hi, 32 inch wide, 4-5ft deep, with a 250hps.
my new veg cab is limited, so ill just have to move them sooner. i guess:wtf:
They won't need a ton of room in veg....just in flower and it sounds like you have it.
Water them as needed by hand. This way you can also control the ph very easily since you'll be gone at work all day. At this age a few hours at an abnormal ph can be too much.
Rock watch them carefully.....if necessary when they get a little bigger set your timer to water them once in the middle of the day while you are gone. This would be in about 3-4 days approx.....also depending on how fast your r-wool dries up.
Ps....make sure when you use the drip ring system to water them you have their little cups on to avoid getting splashed. We are all human......BUT....things like that CAN be the death of your little seedling at this point. Hydro is fairly unforgiving. ;)
ok, been a while, time for an update.
things got a lil wierd cause of the rockwool plugs.
they stayed wet a long time and slowed things down.
fine for the new rooting clones but not really for this hydro setup.
upon reviewing progress and chatting with my coach, couple days ago i decided to remove the rockwool.
upon removal, i saw the one SNL sprout had so much root that i didnt have the heart to toss it, so i took all the rockwool and replaced with a perlite core to my hydroton pebble-filled basket.
the other SNL sprout was definately struggling, so i did decide to end that one. that left me with an open bucket setup which i moved the bigger "Maria" (blue russian) clone, after carefully removing the rockwool and replacing with perlite.
the 2nd Maria clone had wool removed and into dirt.
both clones had rockin roots!
so, the landscape in the veg cab has changed a lil.
bottom left is SNLxNL sprout in hydro
bottom right is Maria clone in hydro
bottom center is Galina week-6-flwr clone, recovering better.
top left is Arjan's Strawberry Haze (ASH) sprout, in dirt (log coming soon)
top center is Maria clone in dirt
top right is ASH sprout #2 in dirt
I have had the hydro watering on-1hr, off-3hrs during daylite
1 hour on in middle of darktime.
lighting schedule is 18-6
this week i let the system start slow while i had no time to dedicate to it.
the ph has slowly crept up each day to about 6.5-7
i keep knocking it down, when i can, usually nite.
it has been warm in the cab, still trying to get circulation issues straight.
on my hydros.........
so far only a trace of superthrive only.
when should i start giving some nutes.???
i think the buffers in the nutes should help the ph stay stable
few more pics
You're on your own with the soil ones.....the hydros.....shit I'm on a temporary computer here and can't upload and download certain stuff....there's a hidden pop up blocker somewhere that I can't find and disable. How are the hydros growing? I can see the clone pretty well but not the seedling really. I think your ph issues are both hydroton and lack of buffer related.
If they are growing well you should go to 24 hour watering and see how they do. It certainly wouldn't hurt to change them out to some fresh water and a drop of ST....they like additions and fresh things. I would like to see you have them on 24 hour watering before upping nutes so I would use this time you have on the weekend to troubleshoot your 24 hour drip. (Pssss....you can go to 2 drops/gal ST and still be ok I think.)
Also good to change out a awhile because you've been adding ph down etc....and that will build up in your water as well and cause problems at higher doses.
i'll put water out to breathe and change it tonight.
i forgot to refill my jugs last time.:wtf:
Well I don't live in your area but I've never let water sit out in regards to the chlorine and my hydro guy doesn't think you need to either.....a small amount of chlorine can actually be beneficial....(SMALL AMOUNT!!!!!!) according to him and I've read that elsewhere too.
i remember when we tested my water stability that it was more stable after sitting out for 24 hrs.
knocking down the Ph everyday is getting old fast. kinda like the way u like plants that grow slow.
also, lately my water smells more chlorine-ish.
Sure does get old fast doesn it? That's why I hate hydroton.
And yes.....I do dislike trying to grow sickly plants in crappy conditions.
welcome back rock!!! lookin good...cant wait for that ASH log!!!....been interested in that strain for a while!!!
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whiskeytango
thanks whisky,
yeah, been a manic schedule.
this is a hydro growlog (if i can swing it) and those are soil and will definately get their own log. but, with the adjustments made, i figured id throw a few pics out there.
one of the writeups i found online about the ASH had a few interesting notations.
The Strawberry Haze's buds have the aroma of an almost candy-like strawberry, and her smoke is sweet-tasting with an upbeat high.
Strawberry Haze performs best and delivers the utmost in strawberry flavor when grown in soil. Hydro systems can be used to increase the yield, but the taste is less sweet.
this last note is the main reason im going soil on this one without any hesitation.
tried 2 beans, got 2 fem sprouts, :woohoo:
and now, ive got the verticle room these may need, available.:pimp:
log coming soon.:cool:
sweet!....good to see your still goin at the hydro thing....better man than me, lol...i will be a very hard switch from being dirty, then again i said i would never waste seeds trying LED..hmmm..I'll be hanging around to see how ya do on dro...and DEFINITELY waiting for that ASH log...chop chop!!!....j/k
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whiskeytango
What's going on over there Rock?
update
slow moving, maybe, but, right now, it is what it is.
a few days ago i added a trace of grow nutes to help stabilize the ph. i think it helped.
today just nudged the ph down a lil and added about 1/2 gal water n some grow nutes, less than half strength, to both. Will prolly change the water in a couple days as a maintenance precaution., every week or 2, right?
i did notice a lil frosty kinda lookin residue on some of the rocks lower in the clone basket. didnt get pics, im thinkin might be some of the perlite dustin and movin with the moisture, or maybe some of those salt buildups i read about here n there.
either way, ill just keep an eye on it for now.
while checkin under the baskets....
look at the center of the clone basket, yep, thats a lil root, approx 3-4 inches growth would b needed to poke out the bottom, so, i guess its doin ok.:D
i did bump the watering schedule up last week to 2.5 hrs on, 1.5 hrs off, on constant rotation.
seeing todays growth, decided to bump the watering a lil more, now 3 on, 1 off, on constant rotation.
lighting is still 18-6
this far, i think i woulda been better prepared to deal with the monitoring/maintenance aspect of hydro better months ago when i had a more flexible schedule. i'm gonna try to make this work, but given my actual freetime, i think soil grows may be better suited to my current personal availability, but i'll try.;)
I have to agree that circumstances were quite different when you started until now. That all from ph struggle? I hate that hydroton I swear.
Well let me know what you decide.......I'm good with whatever way you end up going with it. ;)
ok, made lil improvement on splash shields.
tested ph today after adding about 1/3 dose of nutes yesterday.
ph is tween 5 and 6
figured id check out this new toy the TDS pen.
my PPM was 320 in the SNL sprout and 325 in the BR clone.
so, what do these numbers mean to me?
drip is on 3hr, off 1 hr on rotation.
looks like they may be perkin up a lil, no?
WH, suggestions?
Quite honestly I think they both look good.....that clone is going crazy and your seedling has caught up to my two size-wise it seems. :thumbsup: I highly recommend a full on water change to new nutes.
Part of your ppm is whatever is in your tap water. What I'd like you to do.....when you have time is take some tap water and add 100 ppm of Flora Grow to your tap water and then change your resevoirs out to this. Keep ph the same as always. (It won't take much so add slowly....) You'll see them start to grow faster as you increase nutes......they can go to 24hr drip too.....they're plenty big enough. ;)