Closet Doms in Water.... An Ad Hoc Log of Black Dominas in DWC Hydro

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Originally Posted by Opie Yutts

Honestly I'm not really understanding your style here since the top screen is 0% filled in. I wouldn't be going to flower until the top screen is about 2/3 or more filled in.

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The upper screen is for support of the colas. Last time I grew these BD's they came crashing down on me due to support issues (or lack thereof), so I am using the upper screen to tie the buds up to - let them bud through - during the flower process.

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Originally Posted by Opie Yutts

Perhaps since I obliged your and your similar questions about my screen (http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-gr...-training.html), you could do the same for me in your thread. What's your logic behind this madness?

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The plants were moved into the room after several weeks of flowering. One (RHS) was topped prior to the move while the other was catching up. The trunk of each plant is nearly 1 in thick and each is 24 in tall before the first screen. Lower screen is to train the shoots and possibly tie down unmanageable ones before flowering, while using the upper screen to support growing tops when they stretch during flowering.

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Originally Posted by Opie Yutts

I don't understand why you can't pull those main bud sites down under the screen. They don't look that terribly formidable.

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They are over 1/4 inch thick and right at a node. They are pushing the screen up and they are inflexible too. I am worried I will snap off their heads if I tuck them under. I snapped one completely off that was under half the size as the beefy shoots ones. I don't wanna break their heads off and have to wait 2 weeks to recover before flipping them to 12/12 just cuz I manhandled them.

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Originally Posted by Opie Yutts

Hmm, super strong stalk syndrome is it? Yes I remember when I had SSSS once.

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Yes SSSS. It's a bitch. At least its not SSS - shitty shoot syndrome. Probably due to a very unconventional attempt at SCROG and letting them grow 2 ft before screening them. I've learned a helluva lot so far and promise to to it better next time. Really, I will. It will save me a lot of work and headaches.

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Originally Posted by Opie Yutts

I should have been in bed hours ago, so please forgive me if I'm not making much sense. In my defense, David Byrne told me to stop making sense.

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I know the feeling. These beautiful ladies require a lot of attention. Blues Traveler told me that I gotta stop Mulling It Over, Just Wait, and Slow Change...... But Anyways.....

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Originally Posted by Weedhound

I personally.....having NEVER DONE A SCROG SETUP...(to be clear) would get them through the screen whether by pushing or by pruning. If I pruned them I would give them enough time to recover before flipping them. I personally would want my ducks in a row before turning to 12/12. And if you lose a few here or there I SERIOUSLY doubt you are going to notice by the end. ;)

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What's up Hound.... thanks for stopping by and sharing your thoughts. This is a total n00b experiment for me.... I HAVE NEVER DONE A SCROG SETUP EITHER!! :eek:

Background here: I topped before screening them and just about every day I see them there are 5-10 new shoots that will be bud sites. Since I have 2 screens in place I am planning to flip 'em in the middle of next week (2 weeks since last pruning), then use LST between the screens to keep the monster shoots in check. Most likely training them horizontally to the outer spots on the stadium curvature.

These babes have been under 18/6 since they were little bitty transplanted clones on 10/1. They are quite stout and since I wanna grow Buds and not Wood, I think I'll flip 'em soon just for shits and giggles. If they respond anything like the last BD grow I'll be up to my eyeballs in dense sticky buds. Besides, I laid it out last night on a sheet of paper, and if I have 7-10 bud sites (or more) per square foot I'll be happy with the experiment.

Botton line I'm shooting to better my 1st BD grow of 7oz, yet my actual goal is between 10-12 oz dried herb.... Wish Me Luck!!

MVP :jointsmile:

Well they aren't going to get any younger.....or any smaller either....:wtf:..I say go for it before the jolly green giant climbs down off one of those stalks. ;)

Well after tucking leaves and repositioning shoots for hours several consecutive days, I threw them into an extended darkness period as I prepare them for flowering. Tomorrow night at 7pm they will come lights on to their new daily regimen of 12/12.

Being an experiment, I have learned quite a bit already: get the screen in place while they are small and more flexible being the main lesson.

I'll be on Grow nutes for another 7-10 days before a transition batch 50/50 grow/bloom and then to full strength bloom nutes. I anticipate another 2+ weeks of tucking and training, but cannot be sure. I'll update later in the week once they wake up from their day and a half nap...

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Originally Posted by MVP

Being an experiment, I have learned quite a bit already: get the screen in place while they are small and more flexible being the main lesson.

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The main lesson I learned from this last one is not so much LST, or mainly, not so many damn bud sites. I'm glad we can learn from our mistakes.

just checkin' it all out, man. :thumbsup:

shv

look real good hoping to start my on hydro setup soon keep us posted

Today they woke up from their day and a half nap to a turning point in their lives. It's kinda like the first day of school, except its the first day of FLOWER! So keeping with the school theme, here is their report card:

BD1 5.8 PH, 998 PPM
BD2 5.8 PH, 1162 PPM
(both are almost exactly the same as 2 days ago)

So I had to commemorate the first day of Flower with a couple of photos. Lots of shoots, very thick in many cases, and plenty of tucking done already. I am gonna tuck for another week, or maybe just let them stretch to the upper screen. Not quite sure at the moment. First 2 pics of the canopy under HPS. Third pic of the fan I moved below to add air movement to them. Cramped space above not allowing good air circ until I move the hood up in a few weeks.

Lower leaves are getting a bit brittle and slightly deficient :wtf: but all top growth is lush and green. Looks like slight CA and/or K def below. Flushed and changed nutes on 12/31 and look good on top since then.

And so as to not leave anybody out, the last 2 pics are of their sisters - MK clones - I cut to show Weedhound a bit about how I do cloning. They have been flowering 13 days now. Link in sig too...

Enjoy the pics and check back again soon.

It will be interesting to see how similar (or NOT similar) these will be down the road. ;)

I'm actually kinda excited about running the MK clones at the same time as the Dominas. Dominas were stout, bushy and almost 2 ft tall when I threw them under a screen. Kushes (if thats a word, well now it is...) were 8 in tall and just establishing good roots.

Big difference so far has been the training and tucking is SOOOOO much easier with the MKs as their trunks and shoots are much more pliable. The MKs also have been had slightly more regualr attention paid to them (weekly res change) than the Dominas. BDs had a stretch of 10-11 days without res change and I think they went slightly deficient for a short period of time.

Either way I am liking the SCROG type thing so far, it is easy to train using LST when all I really have to do is poke them down under the screen and reposition them every couple of days.

damn skippy thats a nice set up:thumbsup:, i want to do something like that but smaller and inside a little cabi. i think it would work well in a small 3-5 plant config with EBB and flow hydro set up with a traditional tray and the res. out side the cab. it will be a stealth set up:pimp:. i will start a thread on it when i start;)


ill be watching your updates!:stoned:

Hey DEF, good to have ya along. I have a smaller one going in Flower with the Master Kush right now. Link in sig will take ya there. It is sized about perfect for a cabinet, which is gonna be my next project. I've been studying designs and am gonna try to have a stealth cabinet built by the time these finish in late Feb/early March...

MVP :jointsmile:

Yesterday was Day 2 of 12/12 and I added some supplemental light in the form of 6 23W CFLs burning at 2700K, half on one side of the hood and half on the other. The setup is made using 2 power strips, 6 bulbs, and 6 of those plug-in socket thingees hooked up to the same timer as the HPS (Opie's idea that I borrowed....)
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I also tackled the growing shoots and was able to tuck most of them back under or tie them down using twist ties. Here are a couple of photos of the shoots tied down.
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I still have 3 main shoots that are too strong to tie down without snapping them off, so I plan to train them to the perimeter of the upper screen as they stretch the upcoming weeks. Battery on camera died during photo session - I'll get more pics of them soon.

Still looking good MVP. The lower leaves on mine do not look so hot as well. Seems like I've always had that problem with AK-47.

I think the extra lights are a good idea, and should help at least some with yield, maybe a lot.

Wow man looking really good mvp whats your goal in terms of yield.

Hey MVP. Did you realize that you are one of the lucky few who got to keep their photos during the last critical maintenance?

Photos??? Where??? I can't see no photos....this maintenance sux really bad...why are they ruining this great site????

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Originally Posted by Opie Yutts

Hey MVP. Did you realize that you are one of the lucky few who got to keep their photos during the last critical maintenance?

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Holy Toledo Batman, I am grateful that they are still here. That would have meant going over the that *ahem, other* site I posted on since CC keeps going up and down like a Monday morning elevator, and copying the entire Log back over here.

Whew! Glad that didn't happen. So now it looks like the coast is clear to copy the last few days posts over here now. I sure hope the site stays up and stable for a while now.

Let me know seem to be complaining. I am happy the pics are still here. Just make sure they stay here and don't get wiped out.

wat pics?

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Originally Posted by smokenss

wat pics?

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Post 93 has pics, as does 88, as do others earlier in this thread...

Last night (1/10) I did a res change and freshened their nutes, increasing the strength a little bit on each bubbler:

2.5 gal RO water = 20 PPM
+ 2ml/gal Zone = 20 PPM
+ 10 ml/gal EJ Microblast = 220 PPM
+ 10 ml/gal CalMag = 705 PPM
+ 10 ml/gal Pure Blend Pro = 1280 PPM
+ 5 ml/gal Liquid Karma = 1400 PPM
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Added to res, adjusted PH, topped with RO

Final Result = 5.8 PH, 1250 PPM, 3.2 gal in res

Here are a few photos from last night. There are a nice number of new shoots that are popping up all over. The 3 main colas that can't be tucked are still going strong, almost too strong.....

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sorry man no pics were coming up b4 on my screen but its all good now:D

Here are the pics from last Thursday:
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Bushy bastards (figuratively of course :D) They look great. :thumbsup:

Don't people believe in bug spray? Don't Bug Me by Fox Farms. Don't have pets in there do you?

Here is what is happening with the Dominas. I checked them recently and each drank down about 1/2 gal of water, actually BD2 drank a bit more than that. Here are their numbers as of 11pm Saturday night (1/12):

BD1 = 6.2 PH / 1291 PPM
BD2 = 6.3 PH / 1270 PPM

I adjusted both of them to 5.7 PH and BD1 to 1125 PPM and BD2 to 1060 PPM by adding RO water only. It was late so I left them like that to see if they consume more nutes or more water.

I also spent 2 hours tucking and tying down shoots. Here are the "before" pics:

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Here are the "after" shots. I used nice soft blue yarn from Wally World to tie the girls down:

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I'll update later when I get a chance.

Sadist! :D

They loved it and here's a pic from last night that proves it... See them with the pretty blue accents now? They are happy girls! ;)

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WH, can you check your rep and email me when you have a minute. Need to ask advice about your Hanna PH pen. I don't wanna go way too far off topic and rant on the subject here...

MVP :jointsmile:

yes but here's my best advice.....lay it very carefully under the wheel of your car and hit the gas. :D

I've heard from many sources that Hanna's suck, unless you buy their most expensive model or two.

And sorry WH, I've never found a need for bug spray in a grow. After killing my mites with a pest strip, never since had a pest problem.

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Originally Posted by Opie Yutts

I've heard from many sources that Hanna's suck, unless you buy their most expensive model or two.

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Well add me to that list regarding their pHep4 pen. I was so pissed off I ordered a $25 Milwaukee to see if the Hanna was correct or not. The Cheapie pen reads exactly what the old school PH test kit does. The Hanna reads 0.8 - 1.1 higher than the kit! Piece O Crap!!!

Yeah....sigh.....My "good" hanna really WAS good for quite a while.....guess I didn't appreciate it enough and it went sour......:(

The second ph pen from hanna was a born piece of shit :mad:

They have been in flower for 8 days now, so I snuck in just as they were waking up last night and snapped of couple of photos:

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Each drank down about 1/2 gallon of water, and here are their nute numbers:

BD1 = 5.9 PH, 1195 PPM
BD2 = 5.8 PH, 1133 PPM

I left them as is and will check them again tonight.

MVP :jointsmile:

Damn you guys make me want to try that!!!

Not a whole lot to tell the last 24 hours, except they are thirsty girls! Their PPMs and PH are both rising, so I am going to back off their nutes a bit, even though I am not seeing signs of nute burn anywhere.

The little sister (BD1) drank down about 3/4 gallon bringing her PH up to 6.5 and PPM to 1327. I added Down and 1 gal RO water and now she sits at 5.9 PH, 900 PPM.

Big sister drank down over a gallon bringing her PH up to 6.4 and PPM to 1293. I added 10ml EJ MicroBlast, 10ml CalMag, and 15ml PBP Bloom with a few drops of Down and 1.5 gal RO water. Now she sits at 5.9 PH, 990 PPM.

It's a fuggin jungle in there! I didn't do any tying today, but tucked a bunch of fans leaves under. No pics as not enough happening to warrant photos.

Yeah I don't take mine over 1100 until about week 3 in flower......when I've tried more I've gotten burn. By week four I can take things up to 1350 (my top number) and go from there.

Hey WH, thanks for the advice. Just want to say I like the way you are outlining things to CM in his thread. I am still trying to fine tune my nute regimen so if you wanna share with me your secret recipe for success... I'M LISTENING :D

BTW, the little MK clones I took for the cloning log are doing pretty well, just finished the third week and seem comfy in the 1100-1200 range. Your thoughts?

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Originally Posted by MVP

Hey WH, thanks for the advice. Just want to say I like the way you are outlining things to CM in his thread. I am still trying to fine tune my nute regimen so if you wanna share with me your secret recipe for success... I'M LISTENING :D

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Quoted for truth :)

I've read this a few times but i'm still not exactly sure what the question is....is that you want to know my nute schedule? Like that secret bean recipe that the dog keeps spilling in the commercials?

I'll outline it for you guys if you'd like....just want to be sure that's what you folks want to know. :)

Yeah! Yeah! Spill the beans on the Hound's secret nute schedule/recipe! :D Also got any good MMJ cookie recipes?