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[quote=worm]All matter is merely energy condensed into a slow vibration. We are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. There is no such thing as death, life is only a dream, and we are the imagination of ourselves.QUOTE]
lol yes. yes yes yes.
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Nothing.
At least thats what I think.
But nothing is beautiful.
I find no reason to believe that a dead person is any different from a dead squirrel. Why would anyone think otherwise?
When it's over, it's over. Not a difficult concept.
im scared seriously
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why is nothing beautiful that is a ridiculous proclamation in my opinion, why do you think that?
Absolutely you are at peaceQuote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
That sounds interesting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Metaphor
Yep i agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by make it legal
Wow thanks for sharing that.......a famous guy in Australia called Kerry Packer (ironically dead now) his heart stopped and he said "ive being to the other side and there is nothing there".Quote:
Originally Posted by fasterspider
I agree with the other bit too.
Bahaha tool rules. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally Posted by worm
this is a question that can never b answered
a question as old as time it's self
the answer is in ur own death
It is nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cannabis-Sativa
But you do not know that is nothing.
You don't know that you don't know.
You don't laugh anymore.
But you don't cry anymore.
Its not good, and its not bad.
Because it is not bad it is good.
Can't fucking wait! :thumbsup:
Anytime is fine by me!
I'm thinking about Jimi Hendrix's quote, in my signature, and, Edgar Cayce's readings of people's past lives. Then, thinking of the Mayans, maybe they were the first to reach the perfect peace which we all aim for.
Jimi Hendrix - encyclopedia article about Jimi Hendrix.
Edgar Cayce - encyclopedia article about Edgar Cayce.
Maya civilization - encyclopedia article about Maya civilization.
"Remember, that doesnt mean life istn worth living, cause it is."Quote:
Originally Posted by Oriente
if thats all true then why would it be? what work as a slave ur whole life trying to do good and whats right to just die and be nothin wow
Indeed. Whats the point of living a meaningless existence?
^Well said sir. A very liberating speech.
I still haven't quite made up my mind on death. I like to humor all the different possibilities to see if and how it would change how I lived my life. If I truly believed that there was no after life, I certainly wouldn't throw out my morals like most of the believers would argue. Just continue to live life and be happy. As anyone should do, no matter the outcome. Life has a funny way of completely knocking you on your ass when you finally figure out "The meaning of life."
Great topic you guys, keep it up. Oh yeah and keep tokin' of course! :jointsmile:
No offence but I don't think that was called for. How can you judge someone else like that?Quote:
Originally Posted by palerider7777
How many times have you been pronounced dead? (2x for me btw - both from convulsions when I was a kid)
If you think that someone "deserves" life after death then I'm guessing you must be religious, now I'm not one to judge but who is being narrow minded here? Hmmm?
Saying "the other side did'nt show it's self to u cause u don't deserve to see it as u did'nt seem to value ur life" is a pretty shitty thing to do dude.
your spirit and stomach go to a place where Hershey Almond candy bars are hanging off of trees..you just walk up and pick them..no limit..
no not really it depends on how u look at it thats like saying u see someone beating the fuck out of his/her dog every day till the dog is almost dead are u saying the owner should still be able to keep the dog? so if someone is not valuing there life and trying to kill themselfs or misstreating there body in a way to where they could die and hurt not only them but the people around them r u saying they are deserving of any respect?Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta9 UK
sorry but i don't respect people that don't respect themselfs just like i don't respect people that beat dogs same thing.ur life is the most valuable thing u have so to not care about ur own life deserves no respect from either side in life or death, and since u don't believe in god or life after death, then it would'nt matter anyways as in ur mind or the like, were all just living to die and be nothing anyways so why would it matter??well in that matter why are we even having this chat as it don't mean shit either as were all gonna cease to be one day not to move on to anything better or anything like that.
No, it doesn't - that's a bit silly. Your analogy is piss poor. This is a man - not a dog, and yeah he did it to himself not a defencless animal.Quote:
Originally Posted by palerider7777
Yes I am. If you had any compassion you would too.Quote:
Originally Posted by palerider7777
I don't need to believe in God, heaven or an afterlife for my life to have plenty of meaning thanks. You must have a lot invested in your belief system to think like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by palerider7777
I don't respect people like you - so lets leave it at that.
Don't know... I think we just die and rot.. Our "souls" are just our character and conscience. Before we die, we know if we lived life positively or otherwise. I think thats the closest you get to heaven or hell, the last minutes before your death. maybe that's why sudden(and un-natural) deaths are so sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dmo18
but yea, i think our bodies just decompose.....
well in the way u believe whats the diffrence man..dog..were all just matter floating around right.so why would it matter that he is a man and a dog is just a dog?what makes us any diffrent if there is no god and in the way u believe ie big bang or whatever were we came from apes,then would'nt u and the dog be the same? equal? so why would the dog be any less in value?Quote:
Originally Posted by Delta9 UK
well if he/u had compassion u would'nt put ur family threw hell and become a burden to themQuote:
Originally Posted by Delta9 UK
i can do all things through christ which strengthens me,so i don't need yours or anybodies respect for that matter.and through god i have no weakness, and 1 day u will remember this chat we had when u are bowed at his feet.so i hope u find him b4 it's to late.and that goes for allQuote:
Originally Posted by Delta9 UK
I guessed right then - cheers.
What you said was the product of your own delusion and brainwashing - good luck with that. Your comments were disrespectful and you haven't the first clue about that mans history - laughably you judged him anyway - what a great Christian attitude. People like you make me puke.
If you really want to go toe to toe about Evolution then be my guest - but prepare to get schooled.
You have plenty of weakness my friend and its all here in this thread - even your god can see that.
Keywords: Greenhouse, stones, throwing.
I personally don't believe in an afterlife or God, and I think that what happens to us after we die is beyond our comprehension.. It could be another form of existence that we don't even know of yet.
This is actually one of my favorite topics to think about when I'm insanely stoned and by myself. :]
but its not about the brain really, its deeper than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Breukelen advocaat
the truth is no one really knows all the processes that take place at the point of death and after NO ONE. we are learning through light ,and imaging technology to look to a body as it expires looking for the "soul" i believe we have a soul i have not seen it yet i hope i live to see one when we can.
no one i know has died and returned with the info.never i seen people claim to die but they aint been dead long enough to really know.its the person that been dead for like a 3 days n wakes up n he be all decomposed then he got a story to listen too.
no no no....... im afraid alot of people are mistaken.
i know for a fact that we live on, at least some of us, becuause i have had any number of interactions with ghosts.
i live in arizona, i am highly perceptive to people who have died, and when i visited tombstone arizona, i communicated with the ghosts there who were shot in the back during the wild west days.
IMPORTANT INFO-
the wild west days was silly. it wasnt honorable, people got shot in the back for no reason. and died.
another example was ghosts i ran into up at some historic hotel in the part of the country we call yellowstone. there is some historic hotel which is haunted.
and the third example was the tie when i met people who survived the holocaust, and they were able to call up ghosts, and a whole group of people saw the same thing.
ghosts exist, and they are us.
your lucky if you become a ghost. i myself fought in wars in the balkans, and some people who died.... their soul didnt rise.
so im telling you, i know things firsthand, and people do have souls that live on. that is if you arent too stupid to throw it away on idle vanity.
its a very strange thing.
think about it this way.... the only way we humans know we exist is because we can see our physical selves.
take away our body..... "death" as its called..... and then how can we prove we exist?
we can and cant.
look im telling you guys, i know ghosts personally, and they were once alive like you and me.
if you make it to being a peaceful or even angry ghost, consider yourselves lucky. like i said, i fought in the balkans wars in 2000 and some of the so called "mujahideen", when certain ones i killed, yes i, their soul didnt rise.
and you know whats funny. the one who was like the asshole, thats the ones whose soul didnt rise. the mujahideen who was like not friendly..... or not human almost....
you know when you meet the people who you cant really relate to, from a human perspective? they mock imagination and fantasy.... they are like, not friendly.... but that dosent really describe it..... they live to go too far.
like certain behavior which nobody is willing to do, like eat shit or incest, these kind of people do regularly.
so the person who wont be a ghost, you can kind of see them now, and they dont have like morality or...... its something intrinsic...almost like a boundary.....
the poeple who dont become ghosts when they die..... they dont have any scrupils or they are willing to mistreat others to a great extent.... like how the nazis tortured those people in the holocaust.
most of the nazis, they didnt become ghosts.
so if they didnt become ghosts...what happened to them?
THEY STAYED WITH THEIR BODIES.
can you understand that? through decomposition!!! they ate themselves, and then when there was nothing left to eat....
they just dissappeared.
these people who dont become ghosts..... imagine fighting a war against someone who wont live on, but is currently alive!
imagine fighting a war, against someone who absolutley has nothing to loose, and you have everything to loose!
imagine fighting him or her, and doing it without losing anything!
that is all of our fughts. us meaning the people who will be ghosts.
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and like i said..... if you are lucky enough to make it from 3rd to 5th dimension...... then you should be ok forever.
truly alive forever.
how interesting.
its all or nothing people. either you make it all the way, or you dont make it at all. im not aware of any purgatory.
imagine being able to just expand into infinte multidimensional worlds. strange. major change in perspective.
so we see? we all see, huh. seeing is.... relative.
if the dimensions of our world changes from 3 to 5, wont our sight perspective?
now that is mind bending.
oh! you guys want to know soemthing else? tryptamines, the active elemnts in weed as well as in mushrooms, is released by your brain naturally right before death. everybodies brain does it.
the fight today my friends....is to prevent the people who arent ghosts anyway, from costing you anything. not even a headache or heartache. nothing. cut them off.
i can guarentee that these people are already doing bad anyway, becuase they are trying to fill the thing they were born missing.
fill em with shit. dont let em fill themselves with your essence, which you were born with as a gift for all times.
that 311 song...... "amber". amber is the color of your energy? shades of gold displayed naturally.
some of the people who were tortured the worst in the holocaust, they were gold. i myself am gold.
does anyone out there know that song...... on that like tv advertizement where they do those multiple songs.... "im blue", la da de da da da, etc....
have any of you ever felt weird when that song was played? i did. they were talking about blue people. blue ghosts.
as far as i know, you are blue or you are golden. thats all i know for sure. perhaps you could be neither gold nor blue but transparent..... yes i think you can.
blue is of jesus. gold is of the highest order of men in the inner circle of g-d himself. the great and terrible.
this thread is very intersting to me, being that this is my first time seeing views like this, but many of the thoughts expressed are exactly what i believe.......or are at least possibilities that I have wondered but it seems noone else does.... such as what if everything is reincarnated as something else, an infinte amount of times? or what if reincarnation only exists within species, meaning you are your great great great great great grandmother.. HAHA... I have many others ...........:rastasmoke:
No offense, but this makes you equally as ignorant for believing that people such as Christians and Mormons are wrong. I'm a Christian, and I believe what I do for my own reasons. Yet, I've never called an agnostic person ignorant for not following my religious viewpoints.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oriente
Expressing your viewpoints here is all well and good. Many people around here are perfectly capable of disagreeing with each others point of views, and keeping it civil. For you to call a religious person 'ignorant', just because you aren't religious, is asinine and hypocritical. Or..."just simply ignorant".
I wasn't offended by your statement, and I fully recognize why you feel the way that you do. I became an agnostic at a young age, for several reasons, one of which was misinterpreted scriptures being taught as infallible by unscrupulous preachers and overzealous Christians. Still though, after twenty or so years of not knowing what to believe (and doing more than my fair share of research on similar theological topics), I still chose Christianity as my religion of choice. And it was a very informed choice, not indoctrination.Quote:
Originally Posted by Oriente
A lot of people confuse faith for abject ignorance, usually assuming that blind faith is the only reasoning behind the decision. This, while certainly sometimes true, isn't always the case. Yes, I do base a lot of my faith on things I've read in the Bible, but there's also a basis of tangible evidence, too. Unearthed scriptures & documents relevant to my beliefs, aside from the Bible, influence my decision. Even history plays a big part. I know the Bible contains some inaccuracies, and I'm not one of the Christians who'll shout loudly that there's no inconsistencies or fabrications contained within it. But, I've seen recorded documents from all over the world that validate many of the scriptures, which leads me to believe that at least some unknown portion of it must be based on factual evidence. So, again, my beliefs are based on education and research, as opposed to blind faith.
I wasn't trying to attack you. I just wanted to remind you that plenty of sane, logical people choose religion over indecision for their own, personal reasons. We have every right to form our own conclusions about religion, creation, death, and the afterlife as non-religious people. If a Christian ever attacks you for your lack of beliefs, or indecision, then I'd like to apologize in advance for their stupidity and passing of judgment. Our Lord makes it very clear that we're not the ones who should judge...and any Christian who does is clearly in violation of a very important teaching, amongst many others in all likelihood.
Take care, my friend. No harm intended by my earlier rebuttal.
When i was 16 some i went to this guys house to go back him up with my friend. while waiting to see if anyone was comning they decided to play russian roulette and it never got past round 1. some reason he pulled the trigger twice hesitated lowered his hand and pulled a third time. the gun went off his eyes widened and his hand drop then he slowly fell forward and after what seemed like three seconds blood shot from his cheek and hit the wall.Quote:
Originally Posted by vej33
If the a person is shot in the head they don't move at all. Thats why they have to take a headshot in a hostage situation. IF your shot in the heart you can still be alive for a little bit and while you bleed the head is deprived of oxygen from the blood so you go on a headtrip.
Look up Near death experiences with penn and teller i think i saw it on vidmax. NDE near death experience.
Change my life appreciate life now whether there be an afterlife or not just enjoy it day by day. and if someone finds the link of the penn and teller clip would they post it?:thumbsup:
sorry for the depressing post just hits a spot talking about death.
Keep on :bonghit:
I dont wanna high jack the tread but this will help me explain where im coming from with my view.
I was brought up in a catholic home. When I was older I fell out of religion and questioned everything. Thats what makes us individuals when we figure stuff out for ourselves obvisously. Through psycadelics and weed I practicly erased away my ego by freeing my mind. (It was very rough for me and still is a little) When I would wonder bout all the questions science wont answer. Like does the universe really have an end and what would it be type stuff? I had to EXCEPT the fact that we will never know. THAT WE AS HUMANS ARE NOT THE HIGHEST FORM OF INTELLIGENCE, what would make us so supeiour or speacial that we would be the highest? Evolution? No because evolution has no meaning, It can tell us whos more adaptable and keep us alive but It has no point. It has no emotions or love, Why dose it keep us alive? Why does evolution acur? Why would emotions like love just be gentic tricks to keep things alive? that there is something higher then us. I mean why would we be it? Bacteria, cells, atoms and molecules all the way up to us and then it just stops? nope there is something or things higher then us. Those questions we cant answer are what make up who we are as individuals or else we are just slaves to desregarding our own ignorance. For example, If you believe your mind just shuts off after death and your consiousness dies, than thats who you are as an individual. Thats apart of the person who you choose to be. Thats apart of your existance. Thats what makes up your soul as an individual. When you die Is that what you wanna be apart of because you made it apart of you. Its einstiens theory of relativity. If I believe in god and faith, (not to be all preachy) but thats what would make up me as an individual. If your with out faith your empty, so when you die your empty. Its like looking in a mirror. If you neglect your soul for earthly treasures you wont have nothing in the afterlife.
I am tripping readint this right now... and this is fuckin crazy.... WTFQuote:
Originally Posted by Stoney Toney
im catholic and go to a cth school but dont rlly believe it much and think that theres a chance it coulda all be nothin an thenwhen u die its just nothhing cus ur gone no consciousnss or anything which sucks cus u know ull never exist again, or if ur lucky u got heaven, and hopefully some form of ur self state
sorry i did'nt judge anyone thats just what u want to see in what i wrote so the delusion is all yours.and i can see u have a hate for anyone that is not brainwashed into thinking like u sorry thats on uQuote:
Originally Posted by Delta9 UK
thats just it they are the ones to judge right off the bat. if i would have said all of what i wrote above, and then at then end said btw i don't believe in god either, i would'nt have been attacked like i was for writing that but because i said i believe in god then well u see what was written.people seem to think that if u say ur a christian then ur just supposed to just float around on a cloud and if u say anything or have a view other than what they want to hear then ur evil lol.the bottom line is people don't want to believe they have to answer to anybody or be judged by anyone"god" they don't want to believe they will be judged for wasting there life away or not having morals or being lazy or anything that could be neg they don't want to have to answer for anything they done.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Clandestine
Lmao. Scary movie. Am I the only one who got that?Quote:
Originally Posted by SantaClawz
I just hope I don't wake up in a coffin. Nobody knows about an afterlife. It would be cool to go to heaven for eternity. It would be nice to BELIEVE you are going to heaven after death. What if the only difference between heaven for eternity and not, is simply BELIEVING it? So, what is the harm in believing it, just in case?
i too am raised catholic, and im not saying i don't believe in god, i do, but some of the things we as catholics are taught don't make any sense to me, and explaining it in a "gods" kinda way just seems to be a common cover up thing.
I also dont believe the whole evolution thing either. Sure things adapt to changing environments, but where is the evolution to us. monkeys and apes? no. Think about it, theres animals with minimal intelligence, then us, humans. its like we're just there, BOOM, outa no where. I know there is somthing "upper" above us kinda thing. What that is, i dont know.
But as many have posted here, live life to the fullest, and enjoy it, be happy, don't let people bring you down, and do what you always wanted to do and don't care what others will think of you or your appearance. it is hard to do, and i envy those people who can do this and not give a hoot about others, they've got balls and are doing what each and every one of us wants to do but doesnt dare to.
ooh and to bogoljub777, I'm interested by your dimension stuff, though when people become "ghosts" that is to say they were "good" and continued onto the next dimension, how do you explain evil "ghosts"?
When its over, your done. So you might as well do as much as you can while you have the chance!
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Originally Posted by palerider7777
Excuse me but I believe you were the first one to "attack" anyone on this thread.