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Maby more like this?
sorry...using poland springs water, fox farms grow big, and powdered ph down...
here are the pics...all of a sudden it's everywhere...all of the roots are surrounded by it, and there is a thin film over the entire bottom of the res. the color is light pink and the consistency is exactly like snot.
hmm.. looks like a slime mold but im gunna look it up a little, btw the reason your ag says low water is because that thing that says fill to here has a floater with a magnet in it and for some reason they tend to burst/crack atleast mine and somone else's around here did
huh...no shit. mine has not shown a crack but it always says to fill so i'm sure it's broken.
let me know on the slime thing if you find anything...it's kinda freakin me out!
well, im going to say im 99% sure its mold/fungus im reasonably sure its slime mold but it dosent matter, what you want to do IMO
1. SWITCH TO TAP (its fine to use tap and using pure water MAY limit you plants immunity (SAY YOU STAY IN A STERILE ROOM YOUR WHOLE LIFE, THEN GO OUT SIDE. THE SECOND SOMONE COUGHTS IN YOU DIRECTION YOUR GOING TO COLAPSE))
2, ADD 10ML PEROXIDE PER GALLON (REMOVE ABOUT A 1/4 GAL A DAY AND REPLACE WITH PEROXIDE TREATED WATER) i.e. EVERYDAY REMOVE 1/4 GAL FROM REVISOR, AND TAKE 1/4 A GAL FRESH WATER AND ADD 2.5ML OF PERODIXE AND MIX IN REVISOR
3. CLEAN OUT THE REVISOR (ADD FRESH WATER & SCRUB THE SHIT OUT OF IT)
4. CARFULLY RINCE THAT SHIT OUT OF THE ROOTS
5. I WOULD ORDER AN ENZYME (CANNAZYM OR HYDROZYME) + HYDROGUARD
6. MAKE SURE NO MORE LIGHT GETS IN THE REVISOR! (YOU GOTTA TAPE IT UP OR DO SOMTHING SO NO LIGHT ENTERS THE WATER, ESPECIALLY WHERE THAT TUBE IS ENTERING THE REVISOR)
the black cylinder that says fill here, you push it down and turn to the left and it will come off and inside is a white floater, you can empty the water and cover the crack with a little electrical tape but roll it on tight so it dosent come off.
but there really isn't any light getting in...the tubing that connects to the air wand is running through one of the holes on the top, but I have all those holes sealed off with cardboard and the tubing runs through the cardboard..
not saying you are wrong about that type of mold, just saying that there is not much light (if any) getting into the res...
fuck....this shit is everywhere. it looks like someone hocked a huge snot rocket into my res...
oh saw this and thought it was set up like that, any way it dosent matter mold is mold and is killed the same way the peroxide should do it + peroxide has a bunch of benifits on plants
any reason you not using that hps?
yeah it broke two days after i got it....it is being replaced but the shipper is a little slow
ohh, i hate that shit, my last hps, the 2nd time i turned it on the bulb died:wtf:, wasent htg was it?
no, it was inside sun...i just got the second one today and just hooked it up. i want to start flowering should I wait to see what happens with this mold problem first?
hmm. i would give it a day or two after the peroxide was added, did you add it yet? looking any better? and is there any of that pink shit at all visible
Now that is some star trek looking stuff. I've never seen anything like that. At first when you described it, I thought it was algae which is often red. That happens when you let light in the res, but you say that's not happening so I'll have to believe you. Besides algae is not snotty. So pink snot it is. I'm going to have to take a back seat to Oldjim on this one. I've never seen anything like it, and I've never researched anything like it. If you hadn't got any other help, I would suggest 30% Hydrogen Peroxide. The low percentage ones (3 or 5%) put other stuff in that is not good for your plants. I forget what it is, but I read that somewhere. Another possibility is bleach. There is an amount that is proper (and it's small) to mix per gallon of water, and it will not harm your plants but it will kill a bunch of bad stuff. I would research both of those and see if that can help.
It looks like in your situation especially, you could benefit greatly from using a root inoculant of some kind. I use SubCulture by General Hydro. If you look for one remember that most are made for dirt farming. It will help you avoid several problems in the root zone and in general give you a healthier stronger plant. At least that's the theory, and it certainly hasn't been hurting my plants any. It may even have stopped the slime problem before it started, but I'm not sure. I don't know what you have, and I don't know everything the inoculants do.
That sucks about your light, sorry. The good news is your plants (at least the underside of the leaves) look more healthy all the time. I don't know how damaging your pink snot is, but I'm hoping you can get it under control and it won't slow down you plants at all. Good luck, and please keep us posted. Mmmmm, snot. Very interesting.
An anti fungal probably wouldn't hurt either, but I don't know if there are any designed to put in a reservoir.
:smokin:I got a aerogarden for Christmas from the wifie and I've searched the whole frickin web for solid info and techincal advise. This thread has provided more data then all others combined! I just started my first seeds and I know I need PH control and a bubbler right from the get go. Please keep posting and I'll keep following your lead!
Thanks,
Rick
Good Luck :)Quote:
Originally Posted by rick357
VERY GOOD IDEA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
Opie, i actually been doing a quite a bit of research on this and apparently its quite common, just not in the amount you see here. and it (ive got it down to 3 different possibilitys) but all are not very harmful to the plants, they feed off the nutes and grow very rapidly, and are very unattractive
after spending the past few days researching the poop out of mold, fungus, etc. i decided to clean out the res and added a 3% food grade hydrogen peroxide solution at 1 1/2 tsp per gallon to my regular water/nute solution. I am slowly going to up the hydrogen peroxide to 2 1/2 tsp per gallon. plus i emptied the res and scrubbed all the slime mold off that i could. you should have seen the amount of purple (yes, it turned from pink to purple over the last 24 hours) slime that was on the roots. think slimer from ghostbusters. my camera is at work, otherwise you guys would have had some nasty pictures.
jimmybones, when i was scrubbing the aerogarden res i took out that magnet floaty thing with the "fill to" on it and i couldn't figure out how to re attach it so i left the whole thing off. do you think this will be a problem?
expect updates soon (w/pictures)
you just slip it on and turn it to the right to lock it in, but it wont affect anything also food grade peroxide is 35% pure, dont use that unless deluted, use the reg stuff you use on cuts/scrapes + with this mold problem i would go stright to 11.63ml (2 tsp) i have had a lot of expirence with mold (lost my last crop) and if you dont kill it asap it wont be easy to get rid of it (ESPECIALLY WITH THE MEDIA INCLUDED WITH THE AEROGARDEN IT WILL HOUSE THE BACTERIA MAKING VERY DIFFICULT TO KILL(ive had mold in my aerogarden aswell))
also this was posted by trynagethigh it shows the great effects of peroxide
Hydrogen Peroxide and Horticulture
By Bryce Fredrickson
Hydrogen Peroxide (H2O2) is a clear sharp smelling substance very similar in appearance to water (H2O). Like water it is made up of Hydrogen and Oxygen, however H2O2 has an extra Oxygen atom in an unstable arrangement. It is this extra atom that gives H2O2 its useful properties. H2O2 has been used for many purposes including cleaning, bleaching, sterilizing, rocket fuel, animal feed treatment and in addition many miraculous claims about its health benefits have been made. This article isn't about any of these; instead it will concentrate on horticultural applications. H2O2 is of great use for both hydroponics and dirt/soilless gardening.
1. What Does Hydrogen Peroxide do?
H2O2 is an unstable molecule, when it breaks down a single oxygen atom and a molecule of water is released. This oxygen atom is extremely reactive and will attach itself to either another O- atom forming a stable Oxygen molecule or attack a nearby organic molecule. Both the stable and O- forms will increase the level of dissolved oxygen. This is the method by which H2O2 is beneficial. Pretreating the water supply with H2O2 will drive out the Chlorine many cities use to sterilize it. This will also degrade any pesticides or herbicides that might be present as well as any other organic matter. Well water can be high in methane and organic sulfates, both of which H2O2 will remove. Many disease causing organisms and spores are killed by Oxygen, the free Oxygen H2O2 releases is extremely effective at this. H2O2 will help eliminate existing infections and will help prevent future ones. It is also useful for suppressing algae growth. The free Oxygen atom will destroy dead organic material (i.e, leaves roots) in the system preventing them from rotting and spreading diseases.
2.Over Watering
Roots require Oxygen to breathe and low levels are the main cause of almost all root diseases. Both soil and hydroponic plants often fall prey to the same syndrome although it is rarely recognized as what it really is. Hydroponic crops often fail due to "root rot" and soil crops succumb to "over watering." The real cause of both these problems is a shortage of Oxygen at the root zone. In a soil system the soil consists of particles, a film of water on the particles and air spaces between the particles. When too much water is put into the soil the air spaces fill with liquid. The roots will quickly use up what Oxygen is dissolved in the water, if they haven't drunk enough of the liquid to allow air back in to the soil spaces they will stop working. In this situation roots will start dying within twenty-four hours. As the roots die the plants ability to drink water and nutrients will decrease, this will cause symptoms of nutrient deficiencies (mostly pale, slow, weak growth), and strangely they will start to wilt like they don't have enough water. It is easy to make a fatal mistake at this point and add more water.
In a Hydroponic system the cause is a more direct simple lack of oxygen in the solution, this may be from inadequate circulation and/or aeration. High reservoir temperatures also interfere with Oxygen's ability to dissolve in the water. Temperatures above 70F (20C) will eventually cause problems, 62F-65F (16C-18C) is recommended. The same symptoms will appear as with soil plants but you can also check the roots. Healthy roots should be mostly white with maybe a slight yellowish tan tinge. If they are a brownish colour with dead tips or they easily pull away there is at least the beginnings of a serious problem. An organic dirtlike rotting smell means there is already a very good chance it is too late. As roots die and rot they eat Oxygen out of the water, as Oxygen levels are even further depleted more roots die, a viscius circle may be well under way. Reduced Oxygen levels and high temperatures both encourage anaerobic bacteria and fungi. The plants may still be saved but you will have to work fast.
3. How Hydrogen Peroxide prevents root rot/overwatering.
When plants are watered with H2O2 it will break down and release Oxygen into the area around the roots. This helps stop the Oxygen from being depleted in the water filled air spaces until air can get back into them. High Oxygen levels at the roots will encourage rapid healthy root growth. In a Hydroponic system H2O2 will disperse through out the system and raise Oxygen levels as it breaks down. Strong white healthy roots with lots of fuzzy new growth will be visible. This fuzzy growth has massive surface area allowing for rapid absorption of the huge amounts of water and nutrients needed for rapid top growth. A healthy plant starts with a healthy root system.
4. How to use it.
H2O2 comes in several different strengths 3%, 5%, 8% and 35%, also sold as food grade Hydrogen Peroxide. The most economical is 35% which we recommend be diluted to three percent before using, as at this high concentration it can cause damage to skin and clothing. When working with food grade H2O2 it is very important that you clean up any spills or splashes immediately, it will damage almost anything very quickly. This is extra important with skin and clothing. Skin will be temporarily bleached pure white if not washed cleaned. Gloves are strongly recommended when working with any strong chemical.
Food grade H2O2 can be diluted to three percent by mixing it one part to eleven parts water (preferably distilled). The storage container should be opaque to prevent light from getting in and it must be able to hold some pressure. If three-liter pop bottles are available in your area they are ideal for mixing and storing H2O2. There are twelve quarter liters (250ml) in three liters, if you put in one quarter liter H2O2 and eleven quarter liters (250ml) water in the bottle it will full of three percent H2O2 and the bottle can hold the pressure that the H2O2 will generate. Three percent Hydrogen Peroxide may be added at up to three ml's per liter (2 1\2 tsp. Per gallon), but it is recommended that you start at a lower concentration and increase to full strength over a few weeks. Use every watering even on fresh cuttings. For hydroponics use every reservoir change and replace twenty-five percent (one quarter) every day. Example: In a 100L reservoir you would add three hundred ml's (3%) H2O2 when changing the nutrient. You would then add seventy-five ml's more every day.
5. Where to get it.
35% food grade: called food grade because it has no toxic impurities
Of course your local hydroponics retailer, whom you can locate over the web at Home - Hydromall - Your source for all things hydroponic. Direct order off the web (there may be shipping restrictions on high strength peroxides). H2O2 is used to bleach hair so the local hairdresser may have a source. The local feed supplier may have it in small towns. Prices range from fifteen dollars per quarter liter to eighty dollars a gallon. One gallon will treat up to fifty thousand liters of water.
3%5%, 8%
Can be found at most drugstores or pharmacies, prices start at a less than a dollar for a one hundred-ml bottle that will treat one hundred liters.
6. What to do if you already have root rot.
In Dirt:
Use peroxided water with anti-fungicide (benomyl) and a high Phosphate fertilizer (9-45-15, 10-52-10, 0-60-0) for root growth. Root booster (5-15-5) or any other product with rooting hormone dissolved in it is helpful in regrowing roots and is strongly recommended. If a plant is wilty adding Nutri-Boost may save it. Water heavily until liquid pours out the bottom of the pot. This sound like bad idea, but it flushes out stagnant dead water and replaces it with fresh highly oxygenated water. Don't let plants sit in trays full of water, the soil will absorb this water and stay too wet. Don't water again until the pot feels light and the top inch or two of the soil are dry.
In Hydro:
Change your nutrients. Add H2O2 to the system. This will add oxygen and chemically eat dead roots. If roots are badly rotted and can be pulled away by hand you should pull them off. They are already dead and will only rot, causing further problems. Add a fungicide to kill any fungus that is probably present in the rotted tissue to prevent it from spreading. Root booster will speed recovery. If plants are wilty Nutri-Boost may help save them. Increase aeration of the water, get an airpump and air stones, or more of them, for the reservoir. An air stone under every plant is usually very effective, but will require a larger air pump. Models that will do from forty to four hundred stones are available. Decrease the reservoir temperature, oxygen dissolves better in cold water and disease causing organisms reproduce slower as well. A good temperate range is 62F to 65F; anything above 70F will eventually cause a problem. It is also a good idea to remove any wilty plants from the system and put them on a separate reservoir so they don't infect plants that are still healthy.
Summary
The key to big productive plants is a big healthy root system and Hydrogen Peroxide is a great way to keep your roots healthy. It is a must to ensure the biggest best crops possible and to increase the chances of your plants thriving to harvest. Peroxide users will rarely lose plants or crops to root disease and will harvest larger and more consistent crops.
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jimmybones, when i was scrubbing the aerogarden res i took out that magnet floaty thing with the "fill to" on it and i couldn't figure out how to re attach it so i left the whole thing off. do you think this will be a problem?QUOTE]
it has a little notch you got to line up, and then just turn it to the right and its locked back in
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was it cracked? or broken?...
no it wasn't broken i just didn't put it back in because i figured it wa sjust another crevice for mold to hide in...does it do any harm to leave it out?
rick357,
Welcome to the forum. Glad to have another point of view on this Aerogarden set up. I hope we can save you a bunch of time and trouble by posting our experiences with the Aerogarden. By all means please post any pertinent info you come up with so we can all help each other as a community should. I'm still interested in the maximum capabilities of the Aerogarden as a weed growing technique. I have been ever since I first started seeing them on TV a year or two ago.
With the increasing popularity of the Aerogarden, I wonder if we should make this a sticky or have a subsection for Aerogardening.
nope no harm just shows water level
that would be cool since these are now sold everywhere (sears,kmart,walmart,)Quote:
Originally Posted by Opie Yutts
somthing i found:
Three Ways to Kill Mold Naturally
Tea Tree Treasure
Nothing natural works for mold and mildew as well as this spray. I've used it successfully on a moldy ceiling from a leaking roof, on a musty bureau, a musty rug and a moldy shower curtain. Tea tree oil is expensive, but a little goes a very long way. Note that the smell of tea tree oil is very strong, but it will dissipate in a few days.
2 teaspoons tea tree oil
2 cups water p> Combine in a spray bottle, shake to blend, and spray on problem areas. Do not rinse. Makes about 2 cups, lasts indefinitely.
Grapefruit Seed Extract
The advantage of using grapefruit seed extract instead of tea tree oil for killing mold is that it is odorless.
20 drops grapefruit seed extract
2 cups water
Combine in a spray bottle, shake to blend, and spray on problem areas. Do not rinse. Makes about 2 cups, lasts indefinitely.
Vinegar Spray
Straight vinegar reportedly kills 82 percent of mold. Pour some white distilled vinegar straight into a spray bottle, spray on the moldy area, and let set without rinsing if you can put up with the smell. It will dissipate in a few hours.
Yeah thanks for chiming in rick, fyi you may want to use some hydrogen peroxide diluted into your aerogarden right from the beginning. since jimmybones and myself have both had mold problems in ours..just a suggestion opie anf jimmy both have more experience than me so whatever they say takes precedence...:D
please continue to post results with pictures if possible so we can compare grows.
Be careful using those natural things. Most or all will affect the PH of your solution. You may need to compensate a little if you use them, by adding a little PH up or down.
I accidentally found this today and thought it sounded real nice for your moldy snot problem:
Physan 20
yea i saw this a few time, but didnt seem to be worth the money to me, actualy sold my aerogarden today, but it will have some good room to let them grow
also + opie that stuff looks very nice, its been added to the list of stuff i need to get
yo i would at least get a cheap like 250w hps, it will make a hudge diff in the harvestQuote:
Originally Posted by teamgreentg
roots seem to be looking better today, and all the purple spots that were left in the roots have turned a little bubbly white on top (kinda like infected cuts do when you pour hydrogen peroxide on them) so i think it's working. the only part that is not changing is the spouts that drip the water onto the rapid rooter sponge. they are so clogged up with pink/purple snot and they are right next to the rapid rooter so i can't really pull it out....it's tough to describe but jimmy you probably know what i'm talking about..any suggestions??
good find on that physan stuff opie...i'm going to give the hydrogen peroxide a few days but i may be ordering that stuff soon & maybe we'll get to see how it works. thanks for the link I tried to rep you but it won't let me anymore- apparenly i need to spread some love around before repping you again? i think that's BS!!
Sorry a little off topic but could you use clones in the aerogarden and what kind of light does it put off. Full spectrum or more reddish? I cant find anything about their bulbs.
team its full spec but its like 1400 lumins (pic of wat?)
but anyway WORDS - i know what your taling about and my only thought is if its possably to pull out the clear plastic thing thats incerted in the holes (basically pull the whole plant out), and carefully put them somwhere and then fill the revisor with a hot mix of water/bleach and run it through for about 2 hours, it should be gone, OR you can take it apart but you'd still have to remove the plants and its a bitch to get back together.
also is your filter filled with that shit?
yes the filter definitely has some in there...i got most of it out yesterday but there's plenty left. man i wish i had my camera at home yesterday when i cleaned out the res. if only you could have seen how much of this shit was in there!
i am changing about 1/4 of the res water every day and adding fresh nute solution with hydrogen peroxide...the HP I have is just like the 35% food grade stuff but it's already diluted to the 3%, it's sold at a local health food store as a spray for your food...after reading up on HP for the last few days i am finding out that there is this whole popular health movement using HP as a supplement. in fact lots of cancer patients believe it helps them..kinda interesting if your into that whole holistic medicine thing.
i am going off topic...can you tell i'm high as a kite right now?
if I were to remove the plastic cups with the rapid rooter sponge in them (effectively removing the entire plant from the aerogarden) i would be able to clean it out much better. that would involve moving the plants quite a bit though, plus i would have to cut the root mass with scissors as everything is obviously all tangled in the res. Do you guys recommend doing that? it seems like it would be a huge stress on the plants. Maybe i should see where i am in a few days with just running the HP?
Also, as an added problem, i am using about 60% of my vertical space right now and I need to start flowering soon. any advice there?
yea when im messed up i stagger on and off topic too,
that was my thought, that you wouldnt be able to remove plant with out cutting roots, so dont cut them
im looking for a solution for you on cleaning that but, in the mean time i would flower tommarow, the peroxide(i know this stuff it crazy, even saw somthing about it being an aid to help quit somking) has been there a little wile, but i would set to flower, not sure if you know the technical details of flowering but its basically,
your going to remove the cfl light, and set up the hps on a timer (timer is better but not necessary) on a 12/12 light cycle, and when the hps is off the plant needs 12 hours of uninterrupted darkness and in 3-10 days we can start to tell the sex of your plants
Wordsandwich, considering how much space you have left, I would probably try a couple more days to get the snot out then go to flower. I don't think I would cut apart roots at this time. You may end up doing more harm than good.
Teamgreen, what plant in the AV are you talking about? I didn't see one. That's cool they have an upgraded light system. If I were going to spend $109 plus shipping though, I would probably consider a 150W HPS instead, or better yet a switchable ballast or digital ballast (more money though).
hmm, ok cleaning that with plants in there is going to be a project, i thought of every possible way it could be done and all has a negative efect on the plant, my thought is its prob going to be killed by the peroxide but remain until cleaned out (ater the plants flower) just got to hope they dont get clogged and stop water from flowing (is the water flowing in all sockets?) other thought is to maby turn up the pump all the way maby it will help get a little out,
when your plants finish, i would boil a pot of water (not to boil but make it HOT) pour it into the revisor and add a little bleach (open a window so you dont breath the bleach fumes) and turn it on for a few hours, when you come back the water will be filled with all the crap, then repeat with no bleach added and it will be like new :) i still got this in my mind and if i come up wit anything to do wit the plants in there ill post it
yo word what the hell is in your avi?
What? You can read that. Man, get some glasses.
glasses?, think i'd need a telescope
For the snot problem I would be flushing. And flushing some more. I would flush with a fungicide like the one I linked. I think Serinade is a more popular fungicide, not sure. I would do a combination of following directions and using your judgment, but in general I would drain the res and fill it with some solution of water and the antifungal. Start at a low strength to make sure it doesn't have an adverse affect on the plants. Turn on the bubbles and anything else that helps circulate, and let it sit for an hour. Dump that and start again with a slightly stronger solution, and keep doing it until you reach recommended full strength, or beyond if you feel adventurous. I would think after a day of this treatment the snot should be mostly or completely gone. Just my guess though.