Opie Yutts I need your help friend

Heres the crystal clear light..its 300 watts and 6000+ lumens..I know they are not for foliage..they don't state kelvins..Does that not apply for clear bulbs? Just trying to get the most watts as possible in a small bulb..and they're cheap! Don't really wanna pay 60 dollars for a CFL if i can avoid it..i plan on buying a nice setup in the upcoming months so i wanna pay as little as possible..i've already spent a couple hundred bucks and don't even know if they're sluts yet..

Buy 300 Watt - Light Bulb General Purpose - Crystal Clear 20861 by GE Lighting at Hardware and Tools Corp.


That's not a problem. Right now in my temporary grow I have 6 plants sharing 2 gallons, and they are doing fine.

How the hell you do this Opie? Pics by chance, would love to see your setup..Or is this just for vegging you talking about?? Ve3ry interested..

Check this out Opie.. Buy 38 Watt - 2D Fluorescent Replacement Lamp Bulb 4 Pin 25427 by GE Lighting at Hardware and Tools Corp.

If I buy 5 of those its going to cost about the same as the big 100Watt CFL...HOWEVER 5 will be 190 Watts instead of 100..and instead of 6900 lumens with hte big cfl i can get 14250 lumens with 5 of these little guys.. What do you think?? Whats a four pin plug??? Can i make it work in a closet?

THanks man!!!!

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Or.......

40 Watt Compact Flourescent Spiral 2700K Warm White CFL

42 Watt Compact Fluorescent 2700K Warm White CFL

42 Watt Compact Fluorescent 2800K Warm White CFL


Not sure what to do but one of these 3 above may be the final decision..I'm going to have a total of 3 - 10" aluminum reflectors w/ 2way splitters in each..I'm going to have a total of 6 bulbs all together..i was thinking maybe 4 - 40 Watt cfl (2700K) and 2 of the bulbs i have now..26 watt cfl (5500k)...What you think bout them apples?

That would put me at 212 watts and around 14000 lumens give or take...i think that might be better for me than buying the big one..it would be hard to position that one i think..anyway let me know what you think..is that enough for decent results? Thanks

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Heres the crystal clear light..its 300 watts and 6000+ lumens..I know they are not for foliage..they don't state kelvins..Does that not apply for clear bulbs? Just trying to get the most watts as possible in a small bulb..and they're cheap! Don't really wanna pay 60 dollars for a CFL if i can avoid it..i plan on buying a nice setup in the upcoming months so i wanna pay as little as possible..i've already spent a couple hundred bucks and don't even know if they're sluts yet..

1. Buy 300 Watt - Light Bulb General Purpose - Crystal Clear 20861 by GE Lighting at Hardware and Tools Corp.

2. That's not a problem. Right now in my temporary grow I have 6 plants sharing 2 gallons, and they are doing fine.
How the hell you do this Opie?

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1. That's an incandescent. Bad.

2. Like this: http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-gr...-training.html. It's called an Emily's Garden, and I keep telling people it is one of the easiest ways to produce big fat nugs. Very nice for beginners. Hard to go wrong.

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Check this out Opie.. Buy 38 Watt - 2D Fluorescent Replacement Lamp Bulb 4 Pin 25427 by GE Lighting at Hardware and Tools Corp.

If I buy 5 of those its going to cost about the same as the big 100Watt CFL...HOWEVER 5 will be 190 Watts instead of 100..and instead of 6900 lumens with hte big cfl i can get 14250 lumens with 5 of these little guys.. What do you think?? Whats a four pin plug??? Can i make it work in a closet?

THanks man!!!!

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It looks like that could have a lot of advantages. I've never heard of someone using those before, but I don't see why not. You could spread out your light better and get those bulbs in close to the plants. However, it has a plug for a lamp or something (the kind of lamp that sits on an end table). You could probably buy a cheapo lamp that fits the 4 pin plug in a second hand store or something, and take out the socket, or I'll bet there is sockets to wire those at Home Depot or an electrical supply store. Those are for budding (2700K), but you could mix those with some vegging bulbs and the veggers should do pretty good.

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Or.......

40 Watt Compact Flourescent Spiral 2700K Warm White CFL

42 Watt Compact Fluorescent 2700K Warm White CFL

42 Watt Compact Fluorescent 2800K Warm White CFL


Not sure what to do but one of these 3 above may be the final decision..I'm going to have a total of 3 - 10" aluminum reflectors w/ 2way splitters in each..I'm going to have a total of 6 bulbs all together..i was thinking maybe 4 - 40 Watt cfl (2700K) and 2 of the bulbs i have now..26 watt cfl (5500k)...What you think bout them apples?

That would put me at 212 watts and around 14000 lumens give or take...i think that might be better for me than buying the big one..it would be hard to position that one i think..anyway let me know what you think..is that enough for decent results? Thanks

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I think that should do pretty good. Having several as opposed to fewer and bigger, allows you to position them better. Try to get them as close to the plants as possible, and please send pictures.

Check these pics out

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...7/DSC02181.jpg

Temps never get below 78, 79 and thats when the lights are off and good fans going..

That is until we found this little beauty..Anybody ever see/use one of these before..What you do is put ice in the back of it and the fan blows cold air out..lowered the temps 10-12 degrees easily...Don't really need it at night or even in the day yet but prob will when the bright lights go on soon..let me konw what you think..

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...7/DSC02182.jpg

few more pics..this portable a/c unit is badass however the ice melts pretty quickly..prob within an hour and half, two hours..also i forgot it has a resevoir for the melted ice and a mister in front of hte air vent..mists the cold melted water w/ on and off switch..

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...7/DSC02188.jpg
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/c...7/DSC02189.jpg

Whats optimum temperature? 73???

Yeah that's pretty cool, except you have to keep adding water all the time. I've seen those before and thought about using them. Mini swamp coolers, they are. The concept has been around for a long time, but not packaged so nicely. I've thought about getting one of those and rigging a small pump to pump the melted ice to an ice maker, then automatically the ice goes into the swamp cooler again. I gave up on the concept but I think it could be done with a little Mcgyver mentality.

You had to ask about the temp. Well you brought this on yourself, another thing for you to buy. The only true way to know if your temps are correct is to take the temperature of the leafs. The only way I know to do this is with a laser thermometer. The leaf temps should be under 80 degrees at all times, and that is always a little different than the air temps. How different? Anywhere from 3 to 8 degrees or something. Gotta keep the temps in the grow under 82 to be sure the leaf temps are under 80. This is how I figure out how far away I have to keep my lights. I raise them pretty far up, then take the leaf temps, then keep lowering the light, waiting a couple hours, then taking the leaf temp again until the leaves are averaging about 76.

Laser thermometers are anywhere from $25 plus shipping to $60 at a store.

Yeah i read some of your posts about that..i think for now i'm going to spend my money on some other stuff first..i figured you'd seen the cooler or something similar before but thought id ask..even tho you have to keep refilling the ice, its a quick and pretty cheap fix as long as you can do it a couple times a day when 12/12 lighting is in effect..

As far as the cab temp what do you think is optimum? you think 68 is too low or they like that at night?

Thanks again

Damn bros going high tech!

I am beginning to take on the mentality to let the plants do the talkin. If the ambient temps feel good to me then I am sure they feel fine with the plant. Its starting to get cold where I live so I put a small heater in the grow area thats set to a thermostat. But as far as temp changes from lights on and lights off they cant be that drastic cuz my plant is looking really good. :thumbsup:

Peace

Thanks Godbud..Post an updated pic if you can..i have one of four that is really starting to take off..Fingers crossed its a lady.

Also what do you set the thermo at on your heater? Thought they liked it being cool/cold at night.. Or is that only when they are budding? Not at all?

THanks

Yet another question about lighting.

Is it better to have a bigger bulb (bigger in actual size) than multiple smaller bulbs..Even tho with 4 - 40 watt bulbs i will have more watts than the 1 - 100 watt bulb..(13" long)..Do you think the big bulb gives off more energy or light somehow? Or covers more space?

Thanks

No, I think watts are watts whether they are from the big bulb or several smaller ones. More watts is better, more lumens is even better, and more radiant flux is the best, since that is the real light and not what we see. If you really want to impress people buy something to measure radiant flux, not lumens, and there can be no doubt to the answer to your question. Most people are wrong about the true way to measure the light. Lumens are only what humans can see. There's lots of other light, and plants see some of it.

It's whatever fits your space the best. I think several smaller ones are most often better because you can position them better to cover more areas, and get them close to the plants in more places.

And I thought I answered this already, but maybe not. The best temp. IMO is 82. Any higher and you will not be sure the leaf temps are less than 80 which is important. As for the nighttime, you don't want a drop of more than 15 degrees, 10 would be better.

Sorry if i asked the same question twice..i may have missed your answer..

Anyway i'm really having a hard time deciding what to do for the flowering cycle as far as lights go..especially since i'm going to go to a nice 1000 watt system in the upcoming months..I want to spend as little as possible but not so little that i get shitty results. I could get the smaller 40 watt bulbs and place them accordingly like you said and end up with about 212 watts all together..(160 from the warm bulbs and 52 from the veg bulbs) Or i could get the bulb below and add some of hte bulbs i have now.. What you think?

MaxLite 35872-ML SKO200EAWW 200W 120V 8U Tube E39 Mogul Base 2700K Warm White 10,000 Hour HighMax HPF Compact Fluorescent Lamp (CFL) - 850W Incandescent Equivalent - High and Low Bays, Gymnasiums, Wall Packs, Warehouses, Churches

I'd end up with 200 watts warm bulb and up to as much as 104 watts from the 4 veg bulbs i have...Is it worth is for the price? I could use this with my 1000 watt system next year..just to add a couple hundred watts..Better idea?

Another question - Is that correct about this light lasting 10,000 hours? If thats true and my stoner calculations are correct, then that light will last me approximatly 14 grows @ 12 hrs a day for 60 days... ????

What are your thoughts? and are these hard to keep temps down? or they good like most cfls? Thanks so much guys!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:thumbsup: :smokin:

I've not used those monster bulbs, so I'm not sure how much heat they give off. It will be an issue, but probably not a huge issue. I imagine you could rig a small computer fan next to it and that would take care of the heat issue. Just don't blow the heat down on your plants.

You know the basics about the kind of lights required, and your calculations seem correct, you are just going to have to choose what you think would be best for your situation. If I knew I was going to do a much nicer set up next, I would try to save my money for that. Then again, as you said you could use the bulbs you buy now, in your next set up. It may be smart to buy a little more light at this point and figure the new ones into your next design.

I don't know if I'm helping, sorry, a little buzzed.

You're def helping..id like as much feedback as possible..just trying to weigh out our options..like i said i wanna save my money for bigger and better htings in the near future but don't want to sacrifice yield for a few extra bucks..

With that being said i think we are going to go with the 200 watt CFL and what do you say? 2, 3, or 4 of the 5500k - 26 w cfls???? how many of those to go with the monster CFL??? I don't want to get too much blue spectrum if thats something i should worry bout? letmeknow...thanks os much

I know you guys shifted over the light topic just thought I would slap a pic up and get your opinion on a question. The plant is doing great got it up to 1250 ppms all other specs are normal as should be. But I am a little concerned at the growth rate. seems a little slow for 31sh days. What do you think?

Peace

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With that being said i think we are going to go with the 200 watt CFL and what do you say? 2, 3, or 4 of the 5500k - 26 w cfls???? how many of those to go with the monster CFL???

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If you don't want to get blue cfl's then that would probably be OK. Your plants will grow with only bud bulbs, and not badly. However with some blue ones, they will be more likely to grow a little bushier, with more nodes coming out the sides instead of one or two main stems going straight up. I would say 3 or 4 since you can usually find them for less than $4 each.

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The plant is doing great got it up to 1250 ppms all other specs are normal as should be. But I am a little concerned at the growth rate. seems a little slow for 31sh days. What do you think?

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It does look a little slower than the average of how my plants grow. But I can have 4 that grow really big and fast, and another 4 from the same batch, growing in the same conditions, and growing about half as well. And they look healthy, just as yours does. I am fairly certain this has to do with the first few weeks of a plants life. If it grows a nice big root mass in the beginning, you will get nice big, fast growing plants in the end (and middle, and pre middle.) After a couple three weeks you are out of luck if the plant hasn't grown a big root mass by then. That's just the way some plants do whether they are from seeds or clones. If you choose to use it anyway, you will be struggling with it until harvest, or else it will grow slow and not produce many nodes or buds. That's why it's best if you can start more than you need, pick the best/biggest/most healthy ones and feed the others to your goats. Seed prices being what they are I know that it's often hard to toss out females that you've worked so hard for, to get them to the point when you can sex them. That's why it's important to me (and for other reasons) to keep mothers, take extra cuttings, and root them in something that is conducive to good root growth, like a cheapo aerocloner. Using scarification this gives the plant a chance at a great root mass.

Now, I hope I didn't bum you out man. Your plant is not real bad, just kinda behind a little. Just keep keeping it healthy and hope for the best. It may take a little longer to veg than some, but you could get a nice big bushy plant before you go to budding.

Also GodBud, I can't recall if you said what kind of lighting you are using, but whatever it is more light = more weed, or the same amount sooner. Perhaps I would try to find a couple 23 or 36W (or even bigger if you've got the gold pressed lattinum) blue wavelength cfl's and put one on each side of her close to the top, and close to the plant. I think you would notice an improvement. :thumbsup:

If I take a clone are you saying that I could have another chance at a better root mass and get a bad ass plant. It seems to me that I would just be doing the same thing all over again if it all lay in the genes. Your thoughts.

I have heard that there are certain strains that just take a lot longer than others to complete a full grow cycle. Nobody on here that I have found knows anything about the Jack Herer genetics.
Your thoughts

Lets say the plant is a runt but I decide to go through with the full cycle. Would the buds be as potent or are we just talking yield?
Your thoughts

Thanks Man

Peace

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Also GodBud, I can't recall if you said what kind of lighting you are using, but whatever it is more light = more weed, or the same amount sooner. :

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400 Watt interchangable HPS/MH

Peace

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If I take a clone are you saying that I could have another chance at a better root mass and get a bad ass plant. It seems to me that I would just be doing the same thing all over again if it all lay in the genes. Your thoughts.

Clones from one mother can have varying vigor. There can be sub runts, runts, monsters, and super monsters. It depends mostly IMO on whether or not a plant is able to develop a nice big root mass in the first 2 or 3 weeks. If it doesn't, you might as well chuck the plant, or you will be struggling with it to catch up to others the whole grow. It can depend on many things, a biggie being what part of the mother it was taken from. My plants seem to do the best when I get lower older cuttings or the main node(s). Also, how much moisture it received, how the scarification turned out, where in the cloner it was placed, etc. However, it still is a clone, and it should be able to produce better offspring than itself if given a proper chance, unlike it's mother.

I have heard that there are certain strains that just take a lot longer than others to complete a full grow cycle.

You absolutely heard correct my friend. Seed sellers may tend to exaggerate, but some say they have seeds that have a budding cycle as little as 40 days. I've also heard of flowering cycles as long as 140 days. Can't recall the strain. Now vegging cycles are much more similar between strains, with the average being 6-8 weeks. Some plants are ruda_-something, rudarellas? I don't remember without searching, but they have an extremely short veg time. Some argue that they have absolutely no veg time and start budding immediately. It seems likely to me that they have at least a day or two of vegging in there somewhere. These kind of plants are more rare, and include the ever popular Lowryder. Veg time of course depends a lot on what the grower wants, and some people do away with veg entirely whether or not they have a rudasomething strain like lowryder. If you are interested in the various characteristics of a particular strain, including finishing or flowering times, a good place to look is on seed sellers' web sites like Marijuana Seeds (cannabis, pot) shipped worldwide.

Nobody on here that I have found knows anything about the Jack Herer genetics.
Your thoughts

Jack is a real guy who wrote "The Emperor Wears no Clothes" If I remember right he ran for president at some point. He is pro weed and thinks the government is hiding the facts about it. He named the strain after his favorite cross which is Haze x Skunk x Northern Lights #5. Can't remember percentages. Hmmm. Sounds real nice to me. Never grown it or tried any, but I want to soon. (both) Oh yeah, it's mainly sativa and (I think) takes a little longer than average to flower. I'm sure someone could answer this better than I am.

Lets say the plant is a runt but I decide to go through with the full cycle. Would the buds be as potent or are we just talking yield?
Your thoughts

That is hard to say for sure, but for the most part I think a runt would be just as potent. That is as long as you didn't care for it less because it's a runt or something. I would expect yield to be the main concern by far.

Just wanted to say hello and give a big FUCK YOU to PH..Am i going to have to correct the PH every damn day throughout the entire grow? I figured by now it would have settled a bit but everyday i check it and every day i have to adjust it..This is 4 weeks now and getting very old..Is it bad to make the PH too low so i only have to adjust it every 2 days or so? I put it to 5.5 or so everyday and within 24 hours its like 8.0 :wtf:

I'll get some pics up within hte next few days to show you some progress..one plant looks awesome..ones ok and two of them suck shit..Guess this is pretty normal tho eh?

Anyway thanks for any advises. :rasta:

Growme

Yo B...... How much water do you have in the res? I have found that the less water the harder to keep the ph in check. I have 10 gal of water and I never have a problem with it changing. When I tried to start a plant in a 3 gal res my ph was constantly fluxing but ever since I went to more volume it settled down nicely.

Peace

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everyday i check it and every day i have to adjust it..This is 4 weeks now and getting very old..Is it bad to make the PH too low so i only have to adjust it every 2 days or so? I put it to 5.5 or so everyday and within 24 hours its like 8.0.

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That is not normal and it really sucks. You are going to have to

A. continue adjusting daily or
B. get bottled water or
3. get a reverse osmosis machine and some calmag or
lastly. build this: http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-faqs...-tutorial.html

I've got the parts for two of them and I have one of them half put together. It's very basic. Never worry again regardless what water you use. I don't have much of a creeping PH problem, but I am aiming to not have to add PH ever, except into my automatic doser reservoir.

And it is fine to aim a little low if you know it's going to creep up. I would not aim below 5.1 though. It is best however to try and avoid fluctuations. You could try it a little at first and see if your plants object.

THanks for the advice Godbud and Opie..the problem is i don't have a resevoir that holds my solution..im using 4 seperate buckets..so i have to check PH 4 times and adjust a bare minimum of 4 times..and thats if i get it perfect the first time.....(never happens) usually 2 or 3 times per bucket..THATS FUCKING REDICULOUS and to be honest i refuse to do it..

I'm honestly to hte point where i'm just going to check it every few days and deal with it accordingly..if they die they die..as much as i don't want to, i guess i can wait a few months if this happens..like ive said previously i plan on going to a nice, big setup early next year..i just wanted to try and get the hang of hydro with 4 plants before i go and destroy 25...

Well at least you have a good attitude about it. For next time: 1) don't use any rockwool. 2) have one res for all the plants. 3) if you still have that creeping PH problem I would definately consider building the automatic doser.

Thanks again opie but don't confuse that last post for a good attitude.. :mad:

I'm a little pissed considering we've already spent close to 200 bucks on misc crap..

I'm not giving up just yet..i couldn't bring myself to just let them perish without a fight..So i guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens..i'll get some pics up later..Everything seems ok except the damned PH..

Opie as for next time.. what do you use instead of rockwool? You think this is the cause of PH bitchiness..

Also, is there any threads on this board (or elsewhere for that matter) that have pictures of your setup or one that you would like to use?????

I thought the bucket thing was a good idea but is a hella pain in the ass to change solution..

Any ideas are greatly appreciated..

THanks

Oh yeah i forgot to tell you..in a previous post you mentioned going to bottled water..

From day one i've been using gallons of distilled water..Walmart distilled water measures pretty much perfect as far as PH goes after i add nutes.. Winn Dixie, aquafina, or our tap water is way off so i've just been buying gallons to save the hassle of adjusting right off the bat...

You think distilled water is bad for some reason????

Or

You think the PH problem is still in effect from the hydroton, or rockwool????????

The roots are kicking ass so what problems will i run into with this continous PH issue...

THanks again for everything guys/gals!!!

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Opie as for next time.. what do you use instead of rockwool? You think this is the cause of PH bitchiness..

Also, is there any threads on this board (or elsewhere for that matter) that have pictures of your setup or one that you would like to use?????

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Instead of rockwool to start plants from seed, you could use Rapid Rooters, bark plugs, coco fiber, a sponge, a 50% perlite/vermiculite mixture, or anything that will hold the plant up once roots take hold. I think stinky attic recommends the bark plugs, but I've never tried them. I root clones in an aerocloner, then put them directly into clay pellets.

My closet is all tore apart and there are not really pictures of it up yet. What I am doing in the mean time is a temporary Emily's Garden set up, which is very good for beginners, or anyone who wants to keep it simple yet achieve a great yield.
http://boards.cannabis.com/indoor-gr...-training.html

I've never heard of distilled water being bad. As long as you end up with 5.5 PH and a reasonable PPM, the water shouldn't matter. It is possible that the water you are using has fluctuation problems. Be sure to look for water that says it has been reverse osmosised, then add CalMag to replace the good stuff that was stripped out. Some bottled water is RO, and some is from a pond or something. If I were in your shoes I might consider trying my tap water to see if that does better than what you've been buying. Just neutralize chlorine with drops if it is city water.

Hydroton does not cause PH problems, but rockwool does. Who knows if your problem is RW or not, but I would use something else next time to be safe.

Ordered my 200 watt 2700K CFL today..Hopefully get it by this end up this next week and go to flower then..That will be 6 weeks of veg for 2 plants and 5 or so weeks for the other 2 plants..There is a definate leader, one that looks to be a week behind and then 2 that look to be about 2 - 2 1/2 weeks behind..I should be able to see gender soon right?

I had a question.....I had extra germed seeds so i put them in solo cups with peat moss and only one survived..I had it in with the others and then put it to a bigger pot and added some top soil and put it outside...its been outside for probably 2 weeks now and it seems to like it...ALmost looks healthier than my indoor..NOW the question..I'm not sure exactly how much room i'm going to need for each plant and including hte one outside i have 5..hopefully we'll get atleast 2 females but if theres more i think i'll only have room for 3 possibly 4..What you think?

Next question was can i bring the outdoor plant in when i switch to flowering schedule? As long as its a female of course..

Anyone ever do that before???

For the lights i'll have 200 watts at 2700k and 104 watts of the 5500k bulbs..Do you think 304 watts is sufficient to yield some decent buds???

Anyone ever use these BIG CFLS????


THanks everyone!!!!!!!!!!!

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There is a definate leader, one that looks to be a week behind and then 2 that look to be about 2 - 2 1/2 weeks behind..I should be able to see gender soon right?
You can search presex or presexing if you are interested in that sort of thing. I've always sexed a couple weeks after going to flower. I toss the males and make mothers from females, and clones from mothers. No seeds if at all possible.

...its been outside for probably 2 weeks now and it seems to like it
Where the heck do you have the good fortune to live that you can grow plants outside during the middle of December? If I tried that here, they would go to flower, right after freezing to death. You lucky bastard.

I'm not sure exactly how much room i'm going to need for each plant and including hte one outside i have 5..hopefully we'll get atleast 2 females but if theres more i think i'll only have room for 3 possibly 4..What you think?
Please don't take it personally, but I've been in so many different grows lately I can't remember what you are growing. You might try good seed sellers like Marijuana Seeds (cannabis, pot) shipped worldwide, to find out exactly what your variety is supposed to do on average. But one great thing about growing is that you get to decide the size and shape of your plants. You could veg for a couple years and have one plant take up your living room, or skip veg entirely and end up with more of a lollipop-lookin plant. For the first grow of any new strain it's kinda hard to tell exactly when to start flowering, as far as end size is concerned. Keep in mind though, plants will double or triple in size after going to flower. If it's getting bigger than you like, you can always cut some off. Be careful when doing this though. If you cut quite a bit (I don't know, half of it?), and keep doing it, you should consider trimming off some roots too. And generally, trimming makes more nodes with less buds per node. For a vague idea concerning the question, I mostly have been growing AK-47 and BBxNL. By the way, I completely recommend both. They are similar in stature and yield. I veg for about 6 weeks and by then the plants roughly take up an area of 2 cubic feet (1 foot wide and deep, and about 2 feet tall). I almost always do a little topping, which fills in the area with more nodes. Not topping will make the plant grow taller and skinnier, with less nodes (not necessarily less yield though). I nearly always use a screen in flower, so it's a little hard to tell, but I'm guessing my plants double in overall area after going to bloom.

Next question was can i bring the outdoor plant in when i switch to flowering schedule? As long as its a female of course..
Assuming your winters are beyond my comprehension and the plant hasn't already gone to flower, you can put it in flower when ever you want. Just don't drastically change it's environmental variables (temp, humidity) all at once.

Anyone ever do that before???
Many, many people.

For the lights i'll have 200 watts at 2700k and 104 watts of the 5500k bulbs..Do you think 304 watts is sufficient to yield some decent buds???
Absolutely. Isn't that equivalent to 800W incandescent or something? I should think that mixture and amount should produce some nice results for something like 4-6 plants. Just make sure you can take advantage of one of the great aspects of CFL, and position them so you can keep them nice and close to the plants at all stages of the game, except of course during sprouting. However watch out; the bigger the bulb, the hotter the bulb.

Anyone ever use these BIG CFLS????
Many have, I have not. I'm more of an HID guy, but my last grow I've been supplementing my HPS with a bunch of 23W 5800K CFLs.

Good luck. Keep up the good work. For such a simple concept, there's lots to learn and lots of variables, don't you think? Even the know-it-alls don't know it all.

Man Thanks sooo much Opie..It really is awesome you take your time to help others out..i'd be in the dark if it wasn't for you, and a few others..

As far as what i'm growing i really don't know..THey are from some bud that was grown outdoor..it was pretty good but am hoping it will be better if grown indoors.

This was all something i decided to do very quickly and basically jumped in blind..I germed the seeds and basically learned as i went..obviously making many mistakes that could have easily been avoided..If i would have just relaxed and learned a little before diving in head first i think these plants would be light years ahead of where they are now at 5 weeks 2 days old..

But not a big deal, i just hope they turn out to be decent plants..I was planning on vegging for about another week before swithching to flowering..and for the last week buying a 100 watt 6500K CFL..I found this biatch at Home Depot today in a different section from where i bought the 26 watters...I got raped paying 7 dollars a pieice for the little guys when this 100 watt bulb is only 16 bucks..(Mistake from hurrying into it) But anyway i'm going to add this for a week just to double the watts since i've been starving 4 plants with only 104 watts for 5 weeks.. :cool:

You think that will be a good idea? And also you think they will be far enough along to go to Flower?

Sometimes i think the big one is a female cause it looks like hairs but i don't know if they are white or just light green!?!?!?!! :wtf:

So in a week once i go to flowering i can bring the outdoor plant in and it can become an indoor again correct??????? Even tho its in soil..

By the way we had to bring it in and put it in the dark side of closet tonight..cause its too cold for the first time...

I'll get back to you with pictures.. I have no idea if i should cut or do anything to them..Id hate to start trimming shit off and kill the damn things..


Thanks for everything..

You think that will be a good idea? And also you think they will be far enough along to go to Flower?
I always condone more lighting, but remember more light also = more heat. And yes, if you want them to be, they are ready to flower. It just depends on your goals. Some people skip veg completely, harvest more often, and get less per harvest. If you're goal is to just get through a complete harvest, then I would say you have vegged long enough. If your goal is a whole bunch of bud, I would veg at least a month longer with your additional light(s).

Sometimes i think the big one is a female cause it looks like hairs but i don't know if they are white or just light green!?!?!?!! :wtf:
Hairs are a good sign, especially if they are coming out of a little pod-type thingee.

So in a week once i go to flowering i can bring the outdoor plant in and it can become an indoor again correct??????? Even tho its in soil..
Doesn't matter in the least. Indoor, outdoor, hydro, soil. Just try not to change the climate too drastically all at once, and check very carefully for spider mites or other pests, and do not let them near your other plants.

I'll get back to you with pictures.. I have no idea if i should cut or do anything to them..Id hate to start trimming shit off and kill the damn things..
If you do cut, just don't do too much at once. The only reason you would want to cut is to get more nodes. If you cut off the main node you will get 2 or 3 new ones in it's place, and you will be topping and making bushier plants. Just make sure you don't do this in flower or within a week from flower.

Got some updated pics here..This shits fun! Just hope we get some bud after all this work..And hopefully the light gets here soon..i wanna go to flower..

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I replaced one of the 26 watt 5500k CFL with a 42 watt 2700k CFL..I dropped the fuckin light right on top of one of the plants..kinda busted one of hte branches but its still attached and seems to be doing fine..Tomorrow will be 6 weeks..Do you think they are growing ok? Probably waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay behind cause of hte lights huh?

The soil one that we sat outside showed sex yesterday...Its a girl!!! :thumbsup: :D

I think I set in presexing without even trying..we brought her in for 2 nights and she was under the veg bulbs from 6 am to about 10 am and then went back outside for both days..

When i took her back out there yesterday or the day before i noticed some beautiful white hairs..

I REALLY REALLY HOPE the big one inside is a girl..she is so much bigger than the others, and way more undergrowth or whatever that is called..

So you said keep the outdoor plant far away from the others?? When i bring it inside for flowering?

We don't have any room for her now...i'm assuming not all 4 hydro plants are going to be females...As awesome as that would be..i'm sure i won't be so lucky...So unless theres only 1
female out of the 4 then there won't be a whole lot of room for them..they will be touching..

Is that not ok?

THanks so much for everything..!!!!!!!! :smokin: