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I am very open minded and while defending my view and have done my own research and have started it into overdrive now I did not say ignorant bc of his questions in fact some of them were quite good and raised questions of my own but the one thing I do know is the existance of the man talked about in the bible is cited in other places and the crucifiction as well as for sources if you earnestly want to read some and throughly read them not dismiss them site unseen I can get those for you after gathering from my source, probably sometime tommorow.
as for name calling I must admit I am guilty of the typical christian short coming when resorting to low blows because of so little to back my case besides my faith and I will now re read and delete after so as not to post anymore.
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not even then would i praise that cruel master, it would just give me a reason to rail against the universe. to find that there was indeed a god who could have revealed itself and ended so much suffering would only prove to me that this reality is ruled by a being of such callousness that it does not deserve my loyalty nor my adoration. i would gladly join the ranks of the damned and our watchwords would be "better an eternity of torment than service to a tyrant". such a revelation would finally allow me the ultimate act of defiance, i would revel in the bloodshed and destruction it would free me to bring down upon the lambs of that pernicious deity.
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Very well said, I to would join the ranks of the damned.
I originally had writing in reply to the above: If god revealed himself to me in person, I would likely tell him to f*ck off. I deleted it though out of tact.
wow thats just some crazy sh*t, I mean to not believe is fine but thats just some evil stuff if you do not believe in God then does that mean I have the right to say if God revealed himself to me or came down to earth I would tell you to f*ck off or join with the "christians" and shed the blood of non believers? because I can assure I would not, even if it meant rebuking my God and being attack by the very people I used to call my brethren.
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Originally Posted by sd6515
wow thats just some crazy sh*t, I mean to not believe is fine but thats just some evil stuff .....
my reaction to a sudden revelation of the existence of god may seem drastic to you, but i see it as just vengeance for the centuries of abuse and apathy. the concept of making war upon the gods for their cruelty is not unprecedented in mythology and when battling an immortal the only real target would be its mortal minions.
can you honestly say that if your god came to you and demanded that you slay the unbelievers you would defy him? if so, i would say that your belief in his infallibility leaves a bit to be desired.
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I can because I do not believe my God would command us to and yes if he did I would rebuke him he has an army of angels and I do not believe he would require or ask us to do this and the fact that christians out there do and thendo act upon these thoughts is one of the greatest problems we have.
but yes I would rebuke my God if he ask me to commit such horrible acts and it does not make my faith any weaker at all in any way because the God I believe would not require that of me and if he did he would not be th God I had thought I was following and therefore it would not be weak of me or leave anything to be desired of my faith it would just prove that I had a misguided faith that I believed in a God that would require me to shed the blood of innocent people whos only "guilt" beyond mine is not believing in him. Which I do not see as a guilt at all and I believe it is my duty to be a christian follow the lord help those who want help and on top of all not force my religion down the throats of others which I have and will never do. just defend and love my faith.
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but i see it as just vengeance for the centuries of abuse and apathy.
says in the Bible God is a vengeful God and if you smite him you and your families will be smited for generations upon generations and even further, and we as a human race have smited God in many ways what right do we have to complain about the horids in our lives especially our sheltered lives of great wealth compared to the rest of the world, i dont know about you but with 2 cars a house a weeks worth of food in the fridge and money in the bank I feal pretty blessed myself, horrible things can and do happen but what kind of a life would it really be if everything were perfect all the time, not a life I would want. And I have Degenerative Disc Disease, 5 hernihated disc, sciatica, nerve root impingement, and am on cruches half my life and I still consider myself blessed at 23
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Originally Posted by sd6515
says in the Bible God is a vengeful God and if you smite him you and your families will be smited for generations upon generations and even further, and we as a human race have smited God in many ways what right do we have to complain about the horids in our lives especially our sheltered lives of great wealth compared to the rest of the world, i dont know about you but with 2 cars a house a weeks worth of food in the fridge and money in the bank I feal pretty blessed myself, horrible things can and do happen but what kind of a life would it really be if everything were perfect all the time, not a life I would want. And I have Degenerative Disc Disease, 5 hernihated disc, sciatica, nerve root impingement, and am on cruches half my life and I still consider myself blessed at 23
Because, if god truly were a loving god, he would not be so egotistical, demented, and perverse as to torture his own creations. He would not require servitude or love, just as a loving father does not require that. The father strives for love and respect from his children by setting a good example, loving them unconditionally, and wishing the best for them under nearly any circumstance.
There is no place in this world for a vengeful god and no excuse for one. He has absolutely no right to smite the heretics or those who have wronged him. And if he were to feel that way, simply because he created us against our will, he is not a being that deserves my respect.
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if it can be proven to you without a any doubt, that christianty is true, would you fall to your knees and give your life to christ?
As stated this is a hypothetical question, what if i can prove to you without a shadow of a doubt christianity is false, would you fall to will of reasoning, open thought and infinite questioning then?
I know which path i would rather take, even if you did find some type of evidence it would be forever conjectural which could never hit home that christianity is the infinite truth unless somehow you can take me into the suposed afterlife and show me the land of 'milk and honey' in its glory...
Even then, as i have stated how much milk and honey can you consume in 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,00 0,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000 years?
In mathematical terms, eternity hasnt even begun.
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I seem to be having the same problem though, I'm looking for documents attesting to the Historical existence of Jesus, and all that shows up are Christian, Catholic, and other religiously biased sites.
Ive always had that problem.
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It was meant as a joke not as serious in anyway but it is funny you went there
Yeah because it seriously is a JOKE looking for evidence of Jesus Christ.
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well at second thought I guess you did answer the qustion. so I guess you would live your life a lie then, sence you said it was proven to you 100%. Well it is your right to live aganst
the truth.
Lets not get caught up in an imaginary world however, lets switch back to reality, and the reality is that there is no evidence to support the existence of Jesus Christ.
Like i stated before it cannot be proven to be correct, yet how about yourself? How about the Christians alike, im sure the lack of evidence points to the answer you oh so hate so much, which is that Christ never existed.
Are you not living the lie in reality?
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to this I must request you look at all post by fallen and you will soon see he just likes to play devils advocate and insult for the most part.
Carry on trying to get people to support your illogical beliefs.
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wow thats just some crazy sh*t, I mean to not believe is fine but thats just some evil stuff if you do not believe in God then does that mean I have the right to say if God revealed himself to me or came down to earth I would tell you to f*ck off or join with the "christians" and shed the blood of non believers?
And on what right does God have for throwing one into a hell for all eternity for simply not believing he existed?
Does the punishment fit the crime?
How would you feel if i sent you to a fiery pit for ETERNITY for simply not agreeing with what im saying?
How would you feel?
Now you can understand how we feel.
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to this I must request you look at all post by fallen and you will soon see he just likes to play devils advocate and insult for the most part.
Let me just remind you of the kind of statement you have made against me:
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now go F**k the horse you rode in on
I still have recieved no direct apology for this remark
And still no evidence for the existence of Jesus Christ.
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As stated this is a hypothetical question, what if i can prove to you without a shadow of a doubt christianity is false, would you fall to will of reasoning, open thought and infinite questioning then?
I was going to post this exact question. I'm interested to hear the response to it from the bible-thumpers.
Now SD6515, you said in one of your posts that you don't necessarily believe people should suffer eternal damnation simply for not believing Jesus while otherwise living a perfectly good life. The thing is, we're discussing Christianity, not what you believe, and this way of thinking deviates completely from what Christianity teaches. You may call yourself Christian, but your belief on this matter is distinctly non-Christian. It would be like if I said I believe in mathematics, and someone asked me what two plus two equaled, and I said i believed it equaled five and implied that this belief represents what mathematics teaches. Because you are rational enough to disagree with one of the many ludicrous and vindictive aspects of Christianity does not make that aspect any less a part of Christianity, and this aspect in particular should keep anyone in their right-mind from believing in Christianity. Unfortunately, it seems that a shockingly low percentage of the world's population are actually in their right-mind, if the number of religious people is any indication.
As far as your insistence on using references in secular historical texts as evidence the legitimacy of Christianity, you're missing the point once again. Sure, there are probably some texts that reference a guy called Jesus, just like there are texts that reference parts of Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Taoism, etc. However, it's a huge leap of irrationality to claim that these texts and references somehow "prove" what, by definition, is unprovable. Sure you might be able to provide substantial proof that there was a guy who named Jesus who lived about 2,000 years ago and claimed to be the son of god, but how can you possibly prove that he was telling the truth and that the founders of all those other religions were not? You simply can't, which is why no one religion is any less far-fetched and unbelievable than the other.
On the one hand, Christians often like to respond to requests for tangible proof of God, Jesus, etc., by saying such proof is completely unnecessary for believing in Christianity, then on the other hand they use the bible and historical references as their basis for believing in Christianity. If "proof" is not needed to believe in Christianity, how are you expected to decide to believe in it. For that matter, how is it acceptable in any way to punish people with eternal pain and suffering for not believing in it? Therein lies the paradox that makes religion as a whole a farce.
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to try and answer a few qustion from above post i will simply say this, why would God throw you in hell? Well Hell was made for the devil and his followers, it was never made for man.
but men like your self who say I will not follow God even if I new Him to be true 100%, you say you will tell Him to f... of then when you die why would you what to be with Him then?
so if you chose to hate God then you will be on the side of the devil who we know hates God. There fore you will be with the evil one the father of all lies when your soul leaves this world.
I did not chose to be a christian, Iam just like you in many ways, I will not put knee to ground for any man, I haved lived a hard core life, and if you knew me you would belive my words. But one day out of the blue I met christ, and I wanted to be with Him, and get to know him for He is my God and creater. But even after I met Him I went and search every thing I could find, and I tell you this that are faith is not blind.
The truth is there, but you have already chosed not to be live, and that is your right.
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P. S. You have chosen your path, and we have chosen are path.
there is nothing left to say, but to walk are own path. So walk. by.
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Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
to try and answer a few qustion from above post i will simply say this, why would God throw you in hell? Well Hell was made for the devil and his followers, it was never made for man.
but men like your self who say I will not follow God even if I new Him to be true 100%, you say you will tell Him to f... of then when you die why would you what to be with Him then?
so if you chose to hate God then you will be on the side of the devil who we know hates God. There fore you will be with the evil one the father of all lies when your soul leaves this world.
I did not chose to be a christian, Iam just like you in many ways, I will not put knee to ground for any man, I haved lived a hard core life, and if you knew me you would belive my words. But one day out of the blue I met christ, and I wanted to be with Him, and get to know him for He is my God and creater. But even after I met Him I went and search every thing I could find, and I tell you this that are faith is not blind.
The truth is there, but you have already chosed not to be live, and that is your right.
Just because some people may have similar views with another, that doesn't mean that they're on the same side. Unfortunately, God doesn't see this, he only sees good... "Believe in Me please! Trust my words, some of which may not make sense, but you're good, so you'll know what's right" and evil... "I seems like you have better reasons for your morality, but I'm perfect, damn it, so I'm obviously right... Go to HELL!"
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P. S. You have chosen your path, and we have chosen are path.
there is nothing left to say, but to walk are own path. So walk. by.
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well said jd I only wish I could be so tactful on this topic
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Originally Posted by jdmarcus59
The truth is there, but you have already chosed not to be live, and that is your right.
So then what about us agnostics? I don't know if any form of god exists or not. I don't deny the existence of one, either. I find it quite silly that the Christian 'God' would expect everyone to just believe in him without one shred of proof. If he really wanted people to believe and be saved, he'd give them a damn good reason to. I think the Christian religion is simply an outdated tool that was used to herd the sheeple of the past. I suppose it still works, though. Look at America for example. 'God Bless America!'
Or Europe, 'God Save The Queen!'
People in power associate God with themselves to make them seem 'right' and in tune with what God wants.
Sorry, but that sort of thing doesn't sound right to me. :jointsmile:
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Originally Posted by Mr. Bubbles
So then what about us agnostics? I don't know if any form of god exists or not. I don't deny the existence of one, either. I find it quite silly that the Christian 'God' would expect everyone to just believe in him without one shred of proof. If he really wanted people to believe and be saved, he'd give them a damn good reason to. I think the Christian religion is simply an outdated tool that was used to herd the sheeple of the past. I suppose it still works, though. Look at America for example. 'God Bless America!'
Or Europe, 'God Save The Queen!'
People in power associate God with themselves to make them seem 'right' and in tune with what God wants.
Sorry, but that sort of thing doesn't sound right to me. :jointsmile:
Just because you don't declare is no god doesn't mean you won't be burned at the stake right beside me. Haha, my exact classification is an agnostic atheist. Take that bro, I'm the worst of both worlds. :jointsmile:
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I'm the worst of both worlds. :jointsmile:
If that's how you want to look at it. Religion and politics are so closely related.
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Proof of Birth
Validity of the Bible
Here are two different sections of just one sight with the information and links to information of historical and physical proof of the birth crucifition of Jesus and events in the Bible. Just a few of many I have and you can check each person and finding as well to see that you may not and do not have to believe inthe didvinity of Jesus Christ but he as a man did exist and there is physical and historical proof that he did exist. And there are many more but this sight is full of them and is others as well as this site but I figured rather then list all and waste my time( since you don't seem to care about proof just claim to so you can dismiss it) I would just give the one that complies it in one place it may be a sight run by a ministry but feel free to check the validity of there claims against real sites and source not anti christian sources and you can see they are backed and valid. You asked and I provided when you seem to really want the information not that I expect you to believe but you can then see that there is historical and physical proof that does support the existance of a man named Jesus and the crucifiction and other events and place in the Bible.
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I just say fuck it, let what happens, happen. And when it comes down to the decision of right and wrong, what you choose, is what makes you who you are. Not what religion you call yourself. Now, thats not saying religion is stupid or doesn't exist. But I know for a fact, that something as important as our salvation couldn't be tossed up as a gamble for choosing the right god.
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The old testament is what mainly speaks of damnation, owning slaves, and the vegfullneess of God and became the old testament when the new testament was written after Jesus came and died for our sins and then the entire tone of the Bible changed this is obvious when you read the Bible front to back. as it say in the Bible the more you are given the more you are responsible for which in turn logicaly means the less you are given the less you are responsible for, this is speeaking towards the knowledge and acceptance of the Bible so therefore a man in Africa who's only knowledge of good and bad and has no knowledge of the Bible but does his best to follow this rule he knows as right will not be damned for not believing this and many other similiar teachings are teaching of the christian faith other teaching are demented pervertions of the faith used to suit radicalist christian views, similar to the way that afghan terrorists are islam and claim to be following there religion when they commit there terrible acts when in reality Islam religion is one of the most peaceful religion on the planet so it is not fair to judge all christians based on the views and preachings of the small percentage of radicalist out there in the same way it is not fair to say all Islamic people are terrorist, the views of mainstream christianity are nowhere near what you have represented it to be.
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Do you understand what an independent source is? I believe people asked for an independent source for a reason. So we wouldn't get "proof" from a biased source. I hardly consider a site that has in it's mission statement, that it believes the following...
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... the Bible to be the inspired and only infallible and authoritative Word of God. ... there is one God, eternally existent in three persons: God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost
... in the deity of our Lord Jesus Christ, in His virgin birth, in His sinless life, in His miracles, in His vicarious and atoning death, in His bodily resurrection, in His ascension to the right hand of the Father, and in His personal, future return to this earth
... water baptism by immersion
... the baptism in the Holy Spirit, in which the evidence is the proclaiming of the Gospel with boldness, and most of the time the receiving of a prayer language
... in the sanctifying power of the Holy Spirit by whose indwelling the Christian is enabled to live a holy life.
... in the resurrection of both the saved and the lost, the one to everlasting life and the other to everlasting death.
Hardly an independent source, why not ask for drunk driving statistics from MADD?
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because in the same way you could verify the facts from madd you can verify the facts in there and for your information madd and various other groups are who started the gov. tracking of numbers on the topic and there numbers on there site are accurate as are these very bad example
and byt the way the sight links to all there information sources and the source are backed in many other places this is just a site that complied the evidence, every statement on those sites is sighted and as I said above I was ask for the proof Im not going to do the work for you of going to all the individuals source and individualy proving them to ppl that will still ignore and deny them regardless of how highly supportive the evidence is. I do know what an indepentent source is and they are listed on that site as welll next time try reading the whole site not just what you can find to think youve discredited and then you can go to those independant sources listed there and see for yourself I should not need to do the work for you do this next time before writing a discrediting statement, that is called indepentdant research do you know what that is or how to do that?
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by the way if your not an atheist you sure spend alot of time discrediting religion that in itself makes me wary of all you say
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Proof Jesus never existed
Evidence that Jesus never existed
Jesus Never Existed. End of story., page 1
Proof the bible is false.
WHY JESUS NEVER EXISTED
God is Imaginary - 50 simple proofs
Here you go, see how simple it is to find unreliable sources.
See how easy it is to find unreliable sources supporting what you believe?
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Originally Posted by sd6515
because in the same way you could verify the facts from madd you can verify the facts in there and for your information madd and various other groups are who started the gov. tracking of numbers on the topic and there numbers on there site are accurate as are these very bad example
You don't think that MADD has a different definition of "drunk" driver, "accident" and other words that people take for granted so they can skew things to make their message seem more legitimate?
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and byt the way the sight links to all there information sources and the source are backed in many other places this is just a site that complied the evidence, every statement on those sites is sighted and as I said above
The whole site basically links to itself for it's proofs. The only outside recommended reading comes from yet more sites dedicated to "proving" that God exists. I did look for their sources, which I would have looked at. I found none.
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... and then you can go to those independant sources listed there and see for yourself I should not need to do the work for you do this next time before writing a discrediting statement, that is called indepentdant research do you know what that is or how to do that?
You're assuming I didn't look for the sources, which is actually the first thing I looked for. Something I did find interesting though, was this quote, directly from Archaeological , bold italics and all.
It should be noted that Christianity is a religion based upon relationship, not knowledge. It is a religion of faith not logic. The information provided is to help answer questions, but ultimately you must believe in the Bible by faith. Because of who God is, we will always have questions. In order to have eternal life, we need to believe the words of Jesus that we are sinners and are in need of a Lord and Savior.
Science literally means knowledge. Without knowledge, there is no proof. Thanks for playing.
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by the way if your not an atheist you sure spend alot of time discrediting religion that in itself makes me wary of all you say
I am an agnostic. I just don't believe that a perfect being would be as silly as the dude that I read about in the bible. The descriptions of god fearing people reaching heaven, talking donkeys, playing hide and seek with adam and eve, and the roundabout way to save mankind through Jesus Christ. To think there wasn't a way that God could create to save mankind that actually makes sense. "Be a good person" would be one. "Don't let your kids die simply because they curse you" would be a great one.
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Once again I feel that the athiest and agnostics, which by the way I can completely respect athiests but not agnostics atheist at least have a firm belief in there feelings and findings and I feel I overlooked this before when I said I can respect all beliefs because the one to me and to all that should be unaccpetable is an agnostic. the basic definition of an agnostic is someone who is to weak faithed to be a Christian and to weak willed to be an athiest I can at least respect the other atheist and do even while at odds with them for there similiar strong will and beliefs neither of which an agnostic can claim to have. and if as an agnostic true firm belief was found and shown as Jesus was quoted as saying "you have seen me but those who have not seen and still believe have a stronger faith then you" I mean in my opinion even God himself would have more respect for an atheist. I retract my previous statement of calling a flip flopper to an athiest because upon further research have found that an agnostic is the true weak one unable to come come to there own conclusion I mean I can take research and dispute religion with a atheist but an agnostic is just a lost cause to both sides the most pathetic of all.
At this time I do retract all statements against the athiest I insulted especially the f*ck you and the horse you rode in on" i am sorry you have convistion and belief in your opinions and I respect that and again appologize for that and the time it took me to do so.
At least you have the conviction to name your horse LOL
I mean come on I know we are on opposite side but agnostic please just another name for I don't know and I am to scared to choose. Can we at least agree on that? out of some common ground.
Agnostic LOL to weak to chose LOL choose a side and them rejoin at least I can respect an atheist for there beliefs an agnostic basically has none or at least won't stand behind them and regardless of what you say your own catoragation defines that. Common ground fallen etc.?
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:thumbsup:?:jointsmile: as common ground as our love for cannabis:jointsmile:
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talking donkeys, playing hide and seek with adam and eve, and the roundabout way to save mankind through Jesus Christ.
speaking of siting sources and baking what you say where do you get talking donkeys or hide and go seek LOL once again agnostic LOL:wtf:
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Originally Posted by sd6515
the basic definition of an agnostic is someone who is to weak faithed to be a Christian and to weak willed to be an athiest
There are more sides to belief than "no god" or "XIAN GOD ONLY ZOMG!"
The definition of an agnostic is not what you describe. The definition of agnostic is "I don't know". I don't know if there is a god, GOD, G-d, deity, supreme being, all knowing creator, or if there isn't. Just because you underline, bold and italicize something, that doesn't make it true.
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I can at least respect the other atheist and do even while at odds with them for there similiar strong will and beliefs neither of which an agnostic can claim to have. and if as an agnostic true firm belief was found and shown as Jesus was quoted as saying "you have seen me but those who have not seen and still believe have a stronger faith then you" I mean in my opinion even God himself would have more respect for an atheist.
So because I don't know how the universe was created, then I must be weak willed? Can you explain the logic in that one?
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I retract my previous statement of calling a flip flopper to an athiest because upon further research have found that an agnostic is the true weak one unable to come come to there own conclusion I mean I can take research and dispute religion with a atheist but an agnostic is just a lost cause to both sides the most pathetic of all.
I think that saying "I don't know" is much better than pretending to know and making up answers. Again, a person must be weak willed if they can't explain the origins of... everything. And, there are more than two sides.
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I mean come on I know we are on opposite side but agnostic please just another name for I don't know and I am to scared to choose. Can we at least agree on that? out of some common ground.
Why are you so eager to be on opposite sides with people on the first place? I'd rather everyone be on the same side and be nice to each other, regardless of beliefs.
You obviously have no grasp on what it is to be an agnostic if you think it's because "I'm too scared to choose a side". Agnosticism isn't about choosing known sides, because if the "sides" were known, there's nothing to claim ignorance about. It just doesn't work like that.
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Agnostic LOL to weak to chose LOL choose a side and them rejoin at least I can respect an atheist for there beliefs an agnostic basically has none or at least won't stand behind them and regardless of what you say your own catoragation defines that. Common ground fallen etc.?
Laugh all you want. I have beliefs regarding humanity and the way we should treat each other. I have no "beliefs" about the universe, and the ones I do have are just that... beliefs. Things that I think could be true, or ways that it might have happened. I'm not going to come to the conclusion that my beliefs are an better than another person's, and that my beliefs are the only way to receive a cosmic award of which there is no proof of. I'd be ridiculous to expect it of anyone else, but yet you believe I should follow your beliefs (or the atheists, to how "both" sides), for unsubstantiated reasons.
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if you are reffering to numbers chapter 22 you will clearly see it is God speaking through the donkey not a speaking donkey and once again LOLOLOLLOLOLOOL and know what you quote before you quote LOL
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if you are as weak as not being able to chose at least know your facts at a min. and not booged down this already heated thread with nonsense and un researched claims I mean please either do this or do not post if you can not claim faith either in or against you put yourself on an even higher level of requirement to even participate in this discussion
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Evidence that Jesus never existed
Jesus Never Existed. End of story., page 1
Proof the bible is false.
WHY JESUS NEVER EXISTED
God is Imaginary - 50 simple proofs
Here you go, see how simple it is to find unreliable sources.
See how easy it is to find unreliable sources supporting what you believe?
this I must say is truly laughable
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Originally Posted by sd6515
speaking of siting sources and baking what you say where do you get talking donkeys or hide and go seek LOL once again agnostic LOL:wtf:
Can you at least be civil and stop laughing at my lack of spiritual beliefs?
Numbers 22 - Talking Donkey
28 Then the LORD opened the donkey's mouth, and she said to Balaam, "What have I done to you to make you beat me these three times?"
29 Balaam answered the donkey, "You have made a fool of me! If I had a sword in my hand, I would kill you right now."
30 The donkey said to Balaam, "Am I not your own donkey, which you have always ridden, to this day? Have I been in the habit of doing this to you?"
"No," he said.
Genesis 3 - Hide and seek with God
8 Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden. 9 But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"
10 He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid."
Just to remind you, these are things that I don't believe. Talking donkeys.... nope. An all knowing being playing a game of hide and seek? Seems kinda silly to me.
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talk about no sources and not indapendent I mean please a rant as "proof" OMG wow these are more laughable then the joke source link i sent before
anyways what about the common ground post before an atheist must be able to see that an agnostic is just a person who can not make a choice and is too afraid if they do
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and soft core newbie hide and seek with adam and eve because you can realize either a metaphore or that God had take a human for and come to see adam and eve as an equal to talk as he did many times please such a weak argument from a weak point of view or lack there of again i must say atheist and christians are equal on there beliefs and have reasons of there own to stand behind them but an agnostic has none and therefore has no right to stand on either side i reject you and your opinions as i feel a true athiest would because all you are doing is supporting there side because it suits you now in your quest can you be as firm in your beliefs as them i fear not i respect them for that but not you you have no strenghts no beliefs as that is the meaning of agnostic weak with no beliefs i would rather you take a side against me then try to play there side now because you have no proofs or strenght to believe either way agnostics are typically the quiet ones bc of this and you should stick with this
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Originally Posted by sd6515
if you are reffering to numbers chapter 22 you will clearly see it is God speaking through the donkey not a speaking donkey and once again LOLOLOLLOLOLOOL and know what you quote before you quote LOL
There's only one reference. It's not hard to "predict" what passage I'll use. Whether god put a voice in the donkey's mouth, or the donkey actually spoke, I don't really care, but they're both just as likely, rather, just as unlikely.
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Originally Posted by sd6515
if you are as weak as not being able to chose at least know your facts at a min. and not booged down this already heated thread with nonsense and un researched claims I mean please either do this or do not post if you can not claim faith either in or against you put yourself on an even higher level of requirement to even participate in this discussion
I'll do whatever the fuck I please. You just assume that I haven't done research because "I don't know". The fact that you say you know and show me a site that just references itself for proof shows me that you're as clueless as I am, you're just not brave enough to admit it.
You ridicule me, yet you have no proof of your own, yet you think your opinion is more valid than mine because "you believe it". I believe that your god is an implausibility. There's my belief. Just because you have a belief, it doesn't make that belief any more right than mine, that of unknowing.
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as i have said several times I RESPECT ATHEISTS even though i disagree with them but I nor no one else should ever respect such a weak position or lack there of as agnostic if you are unsure and can not decide stop posting on either side as i am sure neither appreciate it I wouldn't as an atheist I would say take my side or get out obviously fallen and other are beyond strong enough to support there own side and do not need an in between which is really weekening there position by being considered on the same side as such a weak individual.
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I'll do whatever the fuck I please. You just assume that I haven't done research because "I don't know".
You ridicule me, yet you have no proof of your own, yet you think your opinion is more valid than mine because "you believe it". I believe that your god is an implausibility. There's my belief. Just because you have a belief, it doesn't make that belief any more right than mine, that of unknowing.
LOL please you do not know and do not believe in anything that is the definition of an agnostic
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agnostic according to the dictionary-An Agnostic [1] [noun] [OW] embraces a worldview in which the existence of deity is unknown or unknowable. Derives from the Greek agnostos, a = without, gnostos = known or knowledge. "Agnostic[ism] [CE] was coined by Professor TH Huxley in 1869 to describe the mental attitude of one who regarded as futile all attempts to know the reality corresponding to our ultimate scientific, philosophic, and religious ideas." ie undecided ie cant choose a side until your are decided i would listen to and defend my views to you if you were able to
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an agnostic by definition can not have an opinion on this so at least admit atheism before continuing
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Originally Posted by sd6515
talk about no sources and not indapendent I mean please a rant as "proof" OMG wow these are more laughable then the joke source link i sent before
anyways what about the common ground post before an atheist must be able to see that an agnostic is just a person who can not make a choice and is too afraid if they do
Care to use English? or to use the quote button? I have no idea what you're talking about since a lot was said.
I don't think atheists care that agnostics haven't chosen a side. What are you even trying to get at?
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Originally Posted by sd6515
and soft core newbie hide and seek with adam and eve because you can realize either a metaphore or that God had take a human for and come to see adam and eve as an equal to talk as he did many times please
But he couldn't find them? Does He lose his all knowing status when he takes a human form?
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such a weak argument from a weak point of view or lack there of again i must say atheist and christians are equal on there beliefs and have reasons of there own to stand behind them but an agnostic has none and therefore has no right to stand on either side i reject you and your opinions as i feel a true athiest would because all you are doing is supporting there side because it suits you now in your quest can you be as firm in your beliefs as them i fear not i respect them for that but not you you have no strenghts no beliefs as that is the meaning of agnostic weak with no beliefs i would rather you take a side against me then try to play there side now because you have no proofs or strenght to believe either way agnostics are typically the quiet ones bc of this and you should stick with this
I'd like to debate your thoughts point by point but you clearly can't separate them for me to do so. I'll just state again that just because someone is rooted in their belief, that doesn't make their belief more valid.
I can't choose a side because I don't know the sides. If you think you do, that's fine. Again, why are you so eager for me to oppose you?
Again, I'll do whatever the fuck I please. Don't tell me what I should and shouldn't do. Actually tell me all you want, it doesn't matter.
